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New claims by Oklahoma City Bombing conspirator Terry Nichols that Timothy McVeigh was being steered by a high-level FBI official are supported by a plethora of evidence that proves McVeigh did not act alone and that authorities had prior warnings and were complicit in the bombing of the Alfred P. Murrah building.
The Salt Lake Tribune reported yesterday,
Oklahoma City bombing conspirator Terry Nichols says a high-ranking FBI official "apparently" was directing Timothy McVeigh in the plot to blow up a government building and might have changed the original target of the attack, according to a new affidavit filed in U.S. District Court in Utah.
The official and other conspirators are being protected by the federal government "in a cover-up to escape its responsibility for the loss of life in Oklahoma," Nichols claims in a Feb. 9 affidavit.
Documents that supposedly help back up his allegations have been sealed to protect information in them, such as Social Security numbers and dates of birth.
The U.S. Attorney's Office in Utah had no comment on the allegations. The FBI and Justice Department in Washington, D.C., also declined comment.
In another report, the Deseret Morning News named the FBI agent at Larry Potts, but that information has now been sealed by the court.
Potts was no stranger to anti-government confrontations, having been the lead FBI agent at Ruby Ridge in 1992, which led to the shooting death of Vicki Weaver, the wife of separatist Randy Weaver.Potts also was reportedly involved in the 51-day siege of the Branch Davidian compound in Waco, Texas in 1993, which resulted in a fire that killed 81 Branch Davidian followers.
Potts retired from the FBI under intense pressure and criticism for the cover-up of an order to allow agents to shoot anyone seen leaving the Weaver cabin at Ruby Ridge.
"McVeigh said he believed Potts was manipulating him and forcing him to 'go off script,' which I understood meant to change the target of the bombing," Nichols stated.
The affidavit was filed in a lawsuit brought by attorney Jesse Trentadue, whose brother Kenneth was tortured and beaten to death in an Oklahoma City federal prison in 1995. Authorities claimed Trentadue had committed suicide but he was being held in a suicide proof cell at the time and autopsy photos of his body showed he had been shocked with a stun gun, bruised, burned, sliced and then hung.
Jesse Trentadue has amassed evidence that his brother was mistaken for one of Timothy McVeigh's alleged bombing accomplices and in attempting to get him to talk Federal agents went too far and then tried to instigate a cover-up of the murder.
Just like 9/11, the official story of the Oklahoma City Bombing, that McVeigh alone carried out the attack using a fertilizer truck bomb, is contradicted by a plethora of eyewitness account as well as physical and circumstantial evidence.
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Isn't it relatively common knowledge that there was a third person involved that was either never found or never charged?
The FBI angle I'm not buying for a second.
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Here is what we know - these are facts.
-Witnesses said a 2nd person, an Arab, was riding shotgun.
-An identical Ryder truck was photographed on a nearby military base right before Ok City Attacks by an amateur pilot.
-McVeigh was VIDEOTAPED in an interview working with a special ops military team on a S. Dakota military base FIFTEEN MONTHS after the Army said he was discharged.
-Same company that removed the WTC metals without investigation, did the same thing here. The next day.
-Two of the Ten witnesses to his execution said he was still breathing AFTER the doc pronounced him dead.
-Seismograph data shows TWO blasts. Tape recordings - Two blasts. Witnesses: Two blasts.
-Two large ADDITIONAL bombs were removed from the building in front of the TV cameras and were documented and detailed by FEMA. Then, they were never mentioned again.
- Every badge wearing ATF agent was out of the office that wed morning at 9:01 AM. They all kept their kids home that day too. Every non-badge wearer went to work as usual and many of them and their kids perished.
-The ATF was running an IDENTICAL bomb drill at the same time one block away. 30 seconds after the blasts, they were on the scene in full bomb gear cleaning up. Coincidence?
I'm not accusing anyone of anything. But if you can look at that list of anomalies and not agree a full investigation is in order, well...
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A Spec Ops demo expert and I have talked about this before. There are some good twists to this one.
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A Spec Ops demo expert and I have talked about this before. There are some good twists to this one.
Speak on it! I'm def interested on your take on this.
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Speak on it! I'm def interested on your take on this.
Let me preface that my opinions and statements apply only to this incident. ;D
1.) Poop-bomb most likely not going to do the damage that occurred
2.) There were two blasts that were more than likely two blasts rather than an aftershock. The victims inside felt an explosion, got under their desks and felt a second one.
3.) No ATF agents were at work that day, which one victim's family member brought to the attention of everyone and started this.
Brief but this guy knows his shit.
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HOLY CRAP!!!
Nichols Fingers FBI Agent Directing McVeigh in OKC Bombing By Name
A newspaper reported the name of the FBI agent fingered by Terry Nichols as having led Timothy McVeigh in carrying out the Oklahoma City bombing before a Utah court order sealed documents pertaining to the testimony.
http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/1,1249,660197443,00.html
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I've never steeped myself in OKC lore - so I don't know much about this.
What I can say as a Salt Lake City resident is that the Deseret News is a maybe a millimeter to the left of FOX News. So if they're reporting this at all, it's being taken fairly seriously by somebody.
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Though subsequent reports do not mention the accused agent by name, the Deseret Morning News identified the individual as Larry Potts, who was the lead FBI agent during the Ruby Ridge confrontation in 1992 and was also involved in the 51-day siege of the Branch Davidian compound in Waco, Texas in 1993.
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Though subsequent reports do not mention the accused agent by name, the Deseret Morning News identified the individual as Larry Potts, who was the lead FBI agent during the Ruby Ridge confrontation in 1992 and was also involved in the 51-day siege of the Branch Davidian compound in Waco, Texas in 1993.
That's it. I'm buying stock in an aluminum foil company.
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remember in waco - the next day they bulldozed the place and MELTED the front door (which many said had a lot more bullets going IN than OUT), then buried the entire place, THE NEXT DAY.
The company? yep. Controlled Demolition, Inc. The same group that brought you OK City and 9/11 WTC removals. And, you might be surprised to know that the same medical company that identified all the Waco deaths as suicides also counted all the bodies from the Pentagon and Shanksville only and handled those autopsies.
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The Drudge Report and the Salt Lake City Tribune are now covering the story.
http://www.sltrib.com/news/ci_5271117
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Amazing. :o
Hope this gets people to double think 9/11
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if it helps at all folks -
this happened on Clinton's watch.
Congressmen are calling for a new investigation. This is real, folks. Sad. Very sad.
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if it helps at all folks -
this happened on Clinton's watch.
Congressmen are calling for a new investigation. This is real, folks. Sad. Very sad.
Bring me up to speed...
What's the 240 short version of what happened at OKC?
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Bring me up to speed...
What's the 240 short version of what happened at OKC?
Here's the skeptics' take:
McVeigh was fall guy. One militant man who blows up entire building so White House can crush growing militia base in west, in anticipation of the "event" in 2001 being botched and large groups being organized for things powers wouldn't want.
See complete story with each piece sourced with MAINSTREAM articles/clips:
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/OK/ok.html
If you can read this (takes about 3 minutes) and still believe the official story, I'll paypal you $5!
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Here's the skeptics' take:
McVeigh was fall guy. One militant man who blows up entire building so White House can crush growing militia base in west, in anticipation of the "event" in 2001 being botched and large groups being organized for things powers wouldn't want.
See complete story with each piece sourced with MAINSTREAM articles/clips:
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/OK/ok.html
If you can read this (takes about 3 minutes) and still believe the official story, I'll paypal you $5!
What militia base do you mean?
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There were gun clubs, politics clubs, etc which met to shoot guns, train, and discuss politics, out west. People used to give a shit.
However, WACO and Ok City did a lot to increase their accountability, license weapons, fill them with plants, etc. Also remember Clinton's big gun control push?
if you do believe in the "greater plan"... think about this. If you were going to pull a self-attack on 9-11, would you rather have two hundred well armed groups who follow politics, love freedom, and are training harder than your military? Hell no! Heck, if militias existed today, can you think of any issue which would matter to them MORE than 9/11? Nope.
I don't know if it's true, but that is what some believe. 93WTC was done to show towers as THE target of bad guys and symbol of our freedom. Waco and OK City meant tighter gun control and less freedom in wild places where people grouped. 2001 WTC was the catalyst for the global resource aggression. It is what it is, and it's sadly necessary for America's stability and numero uno status.
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There were gun clubs, politics clubs, etc which met to shoot guns, train, and discuss politics, out west. People used to give a shit.
However, WACO and Ok City did a lot to increase their accountability, license weapons, fill them with plants, etc. Also remember Clinton's big gun control push?
if you do believe in the "greater plan"... think about this. If you were going to pull a self-attack on 9-11, would you rather have two hundred well armed groups who follow politics, love freedom, and are training harder than your military? Hell no! Heck, if militias existed today, can you think of any issue which would matter to them MORE than 9/11? Nope.
I don't know if it's true, but that is what some believe. 93WTC was done to show towers as THE target of bad guys and symbol of our freedom. Waco and OK City meant tighter gun control and less freedom in wild places where people grouped. 2001 WTC was the catalyst for the global resource aggression. It is what it is, and it's sadly necessary for America's stability and numero uno status.
;D Classic 240!
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;D Classic 240!
Hey man, who knows if its true. *IF* you were an evil group intent on doing a 9/11, sure, you probably would want to disassemble militias and restrict gun rights.
Or maybe they're just random events by bad guys.
However - if nicholls can prove that he worked with teh FBI to blow up the oklahoma city fed building - how crazy is that? Everyone who's ever said "the gove wouldn't do that" about any attack is suddenly looking at something new -> A govt sanctioned self-attack.
I pray it's not true, cause it's scarier than anything...
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Hey man, who knows if its true. *IF* you were an evil group intent on doing a 9/11, sure, you probably would want to disassemble militias and restrict gun rights.
Or maybe they're just random events by bad guys.
However - if nicholls can prove that he worked with teh FBI to blow up the oklahoma city fed building - how crazy is that? Everyone who's ever said "the gove wouldn't do that" about any attack is suddenly looking at something new -> A govt sanctioned self-attack.
I pray it's not true, cause it's scarier than anything...
You, my friend, should have your own soapbox in a busy city centre.
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What militia base do you mean?
those groups of patriotic, self-supporting men who take responsibility for their lives and those of their families. Men who live by the motto 'Be Prepared" (no I don't mean the boy scouts), ...but those who stand ever ready to protect themselves, protect their families, protect their communities, and their country at a moments notice if necessary.
Rent a copy of Mel Gibson's "The Patriot". It will give you a good idea.
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You, my friend, should have your own soapbox in a busy city centre.
Perhaps THEN you would stop in and debate issues instead of just tossing a one-liner ;)
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those groups of patriotic, self-supporting men who take responsibility for their lives and those of their families. Men who live by the motto 'Be Prepared" (no I don't mean the boy scouts), ...but those who stand ever ready to protect themselves, protect their families, protect their communities, and their country at a moments notice if necessary.
Rent a copy of Mel Gibson's "The Patriot". It will give you a good idea.
What on earth are you talking about? Isn't that movie about the Civil War?
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Perhaps THEN you would stop in and debate issues instead of just tossing a one-liner ;)
I agree that's exactly what I'm doing here mate, but you have to admit your theory is far-fetched to say the least.
That, and I did honestly enjoy reading it!
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What on earth are you talking about? Isn't that movie about the Civil War?
If memory serves me correctly, ...it was about the Revolutionary war, but I could be wrong.
It's value as a reference point for you is not in the plot, but rather in the character development.
Without revealing any spoilers, Mel's family has a bit of a dilemma on it's hands.
The way they deal with it, gives you a bit of an idea of how homegrown militias would operate in action.
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I agree that's exactly what I'm doing here mate, but you have to admit your theory is far-fetched to say the least.
That, and I did honestly enjoy reading it!
There are two ways to look at things.
1) The President runs everything and the US global agenda resets every 4 or 8 years.
OR
2) Longer term items - 100 years of oil, longterm trade, longterm globalization and IT, etc - run thru more of a *system* of agencies to ensure that the US does longterm things which serve its interests best.
See, Obama might get elected on a "bring all troops home and close border". But in those 8 years he's in office, the Chinese, saudis, and Russians would take iraq and afghanistan. The US economy would take a huge hit from losing 12 million people who will do jobs we won't.
2016 arrives and guess what - US economy is in the shitter (12 million unfilled jobs), gas is $20 a gallon (chinese pick the prices now!), Food costs skyrocket (ain't free to deliver it to stores!).
The US' position in the world has just been set back 50 years. Chinese will use new oil to take small bases everywhere. Another few years, they're on our doorstep.
See, IMO this group ensures that longterm US interests are not affected by the political ambitions of those who pander to stupid people, unaware of chinese threat or need for oil supremacy. They're real, they're needed, and we'd be in some serious shit without them.
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If memory serves me correctly, ...it was about the Revolutionary war, but I could be wrong.
It's value as a reference point for you is not in the plot, but rather in the character development.
Without revealing any spoilers, Mel's family has a bit of a dilemma on it's hands.
The way they deal with it, gives you a bit of an idea of how homegrown militias would operate in action.
Hmm, okay. If I understand correctly I think what you're getting at is something like this:
Not too long ago, in Belgium (if memory serves me well) 6 Moroccan youths got on a bus and beat the driver to death. The bus was full of Belgians at the time, no-one intervened.
My point is, this wouldn't have happened in say, Texas. Someone would have drawn their weapon and shot these motherfuckers back to North Africa in the blink of an eye. Needless to say, I like Texans.
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there needs to be a mass movement against islam in europe before its too late
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there needs to be a mass movement against islam in europe before its too late
Against militant Islam at least.
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there needs to be a mass movement against islam in europe before its too late
So on a thread about possible govt involvement in domestic terror, you find a way to interject your belief we should eliminate people who use a diff bible than us.
Bravo!
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i dont use a bible
any group of people who want to establish their barbaric religion over their new country and have no qualms about murdering infidels ought to be stopped before their numbers get to large
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So on a thread about possible govt involvement in domestic terror, you find a way to interject your belief we should eliminate people who use a diff bible than us.
Bravo!
Besides, on just about every thread you bring up 9/11, who the fuck are you to talk? Your life revolves around it
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i dont use a bible
any group of people who want to establish their barbaric religion over their new country and have no qualms about murdering infidels ought to be stopped before their numbers get to large
this has jack shit to do with this thread.
Cav, you're all abuot justice, right? If Nicholls can prove the FBI built the bombs used to blow up the Murrah building then covered it up, should some FBI agents be going to jail?
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Yes, absolutely
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it had to do with bruce mentioning how 6 muslims murdered a belgian bus driver
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Yes, absolutely
Rock n roll! I agree.
And yes - I agree many of the Texans would be heros and the bitches who stood by are POS spineless.
but a 'mass movement against islam'?
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it had to do with bruce mentioning how 6 muslims murdered a belgian bus driver
Did I upset 240 again?
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whatever, that is for a differnt thread as you implied.
as for this, wow, i hope this story does not get buried
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Did I upset 240 again?
Nope.
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Nope.
Oh, good.
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I hope that if some agents knew, they are tried and justice served as the American justice system calls for.
The fact that every ATF agent knew and kept their kids home- that's beyond weird. Someone should have asked them who warned them. perhaps we'll get to that now?
If this does turn out to be an inside job, wow...
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i dont use a bible
any group of people who want to establish their barbaric religion over their new country and have no qualms about murdering infidels ought to be stopped before their numbers get to large
Should we interpret this as your official request for assisted suicide note? ::)
Tsk, tsk Cavalier, ...always the drama queen. Why not just get a vasectomy? ;)
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Oh, good.
you said you were drinking at lunch. what you sipping on?
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I don't know what you mean. If i was going to kill myself I would strap myself with a bomb and go to the nearest mosque that preaches against America. But i'm not so rest easy
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Besides, on just about every thread you bring up 9/11, who the fuck are you to talk? Your life revolves around it
Of course it does. In case you haven't noticed, 911 was the catalyzing event that politicians, fascists, and would-be dictators around the world, have used and manipulated to change everyone's way of life, and usher in a new world order. It's all being done in the name of 911.
This is not just about oil, ...it about the way we and future generations will live.
Saddam was many things, ...but he wasn't a stupid man. He knew what he was talking about when he said "And so it starts... the mother of all battles". If you think it ends with Saddam's death, ...or the democratization of Iraq, or even the invasion and victory in Iran (although highly unlikely) ...you better think again.
You see those Palestians willing to go up against tanks with nothing but stones and their bare hands... those will be American citizens in a few years fighting against the very UnAmerican system that elites are attempting to implement on a global scale. This thing gets a whole lot uglier before it gets better.
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you said you were drinking at lunch. what you sipping on?
We went to this Mexican joint on a place called Chapel Street in Melbourne - it's the trendy (and costly) part of the city. Beautiful weather, sitting about a foot from the sidewalk (as you guys call it) and necking a few Sols. Good times.