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Now this would be funny. :) You'd think this loser learned his lesson. Now watch him become a Democrat frontrunner . . . .
Could Gore's road to the Oval Office begin in Hollywood?
POSTED: 9:41 p.m. EST, February 23, 2007
By Bill Schneider
CNN Senior Political Analyst
LOS ANGELES, California (CNN) -- We've seen plenty of political moments at the Oscars before. But on Sunday, we could see the most unusual political moment ever.
Consider this scenario: It's Academy Awards night. Best documentary feature is up. And the Oscar is favored to go to . . . "An Inconvenient Truth," starring former Vice President Al Gore.
Lawrence Bender, producer of "An Inconvenient Truth," and the film's other producers come up to accept the Oscar -- with Gore. (Watch Bender explain while it might be Gore's time )
The audience roars its approval -- this is liberal Hollywood -- and Gore speaks.
"There's even some speculation that he would use his Oscar as the occasion to announce that he's running," Martin Kaplan, director of the University of Southern California's Norman Lear Center, told CNN. "Imagine that: a billion people worldwide! Take that Jay Leno, as an announcement venue!''
Could it happen? Gore's producer thinks a potential Gore speech would be a historic moment, but not the way Kaplan envisions.
"It's electrifying, not politically, because is Al Gore going to run or not going to run. There's nothing going to happen like that," Bender told CNN. "It's electrifying because the man who is responsible for solidifying the forces around global warming is going to'' be acknowldged.
But could an Oscar start the momentum for a draft-Gore movement? USC's Kaplan thinks it could.
"People think that he's paid his dues, he's had more of an impact on issues that people care about than many people who have been in office and there's a feeling that he's finally lost that student council condescension that was fingernails on a blackboard to a lot of supporters," Kaplan said.
Democrats are desperate to win. Doubts have begun to surface about the electability of the party's current front-runners. How's this for an argument? Now is the time for all good men to come to the aid of their party.
"He was right on Iraq. He was right on global warming. He has an issue that is so formidable and has attacked it, tackled it," Bender said. "So I would love to see him run, sure, but I don't see that in the cards."
But once that envelope is opened, there will be a new card to play.
Maybe Mr. Gore will get up and say, "I have new song to sing." After all, the film has been nominated in the best song category, too.
http://us.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/02/23/schneider.gore/index.html
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Worked for Reagan. :)
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why is he a loser, beach bum?
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why is he a loser, beach bum?
Because despite serving as the two-time VP for a popular and successful president and facing one of the weakest and most inarticulate Republican candidates in decades who had a fraction of the Gore's experience, Gore lost his home state of Tennessee, which cost him the election. If he wins Tennessee, he wins the election, regardless of what happens in Florida. He's a loser. Even Bill Clinton said so (though not quite so explicitly) after the election. I recall he was very critical of Gore for basically blowing it.
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But he had the popular vote won.
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But he had the popular vote won.
Which is precisely what one of my liberal partners said the other day when I made these comments to her. Winning the popular vote and about $5 got him a cup of coffee, but not the presidency. :)
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Which is precisely what one of my liberal partners said the other day when I made these comments to her. Winning the popular vote and about $5 got him a cup of coffee, but not the presidency. :)
Damn 5 bucks for coffee? :-\
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Because despite serving as the two-time VP for a popular and successful president and facing one of the weakest and most inarticulate Republican candidates in decades who had a fraction of the Gore's experience, Gore lost his home state of Tennessee, which cost him the election. If he wins Tennessee, he wins the election, regardless of what happens in Florida. He's a loser. Even Bill Clinton said so (though not quite so explicitly) after the election. I recall he was very critical of Gore for basically blowing it.
He's a millionaire, world famous, up for a major award for a movie he did for a great cause...
and he's a loser?
Um, what does that make you?
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Which is precisely what one of my liberal partners said the other day when I made these comments to her. Winning the popular vote and about $5 got him a cup of coffee, but not the presidency. :)
This is true, but in my opinion he still won... The Electoral college should be abolished. I've never agreed with Presidents who win the popular vote but lose the electoral vote... It's happened 3 or 4 times now and it just seems wrong.
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Because despite serving as the two-time VP for a popular and successful president and facing one of the weakest and most inarticulate Republican candidates in decades who had a fraction of the Gore's experience, Gore lost his home state of Tennessee, which cost him the election. If he wins Tennessee, he wins the election, regardless of what happens in Florida. He's a loser. Even Bill Clinton said so (though not quite so explicitly) after the election. I recall he was very critical of Gore for basically blowing it.
You just displayed a poor understanding of national level politics.
What was Gore's #1 goal in 2000? To win Tennessee? Or to win the electoral majority?
Gore took positions on issues which about 50 million American voters agreed with. This didn't go over well with the majority of Tennessee voters. If he HAD focused on winning tennesee, I'm sure that was possible. But his goal was winning the entire election.
And I remember being a very alert voter in 2000. I was dancing when harris stopped the ballot counting and gave the win to Bush. The recounts obviously would have given it to Gore in the high democrat districts where the most uncounteds were. I KNEW that prick Gore would get in, if they recounted. I KNEW they f'king cheated. And so do you.
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This is true, but in my opinion he still won... The Electoral college should be abolished. I've never agreed with Presidents who win the popular vote but lose the electoral vote... It's happened 3 or 4 times now and it just seems wrong.
they can't change it. They sholdn't. you have states like Cali or Ny with populations that outnumber many other states combined.
In theory, a guy could run on a ticket that says "I will send all the money and food to these top15 populated states". He might get the majority by winning 15 of 50 states.
Little states matter, and guys have to promise them resources too, to win.
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And I remember being a very alert voter in 2000. I was dancing when harris stopped the ballot counting and gave the win to Bush. The recounts obviously would have given it to Gore in the high democrat districts where the most uncounteds were. I KNEW that prick Gore would get in, if they recounted. I KNEW they f'king cheated. And so do you.
Actually a consortium of newspapers and other media organizations did a number of recount scenarios (well after the election was done). There was no scenario for which Gore could've won, though it was pretty close.
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Actually a consortium of newspapers and other media organizations did a number of recount scenarios (well after the election was done). There was no scenario for which Gore could've won, though it was pretty close.
I would love to see more about this. Link?
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Actually a consortium of newspapers and other media organizations did a number of recount scenarios (well after the election was done). There was no scenario for which Gore could've won, though it was pretty close.
They also played out the real scenario LIVE, before the "re-count scenarios"
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He's a millionaire, world famous, up for a major award for a movie he did for a great cause...
and he's a loser?
Um, what does that make you?
Precisely why I don't answer the vast majority of your dumb questions. ::)
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You just displayed a poor understanding of national level politics.
What was Gore's #1 goal in 2000? To win Tennessee? Or to win the electoral majority?
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lol. His goal was to win more electoral votes than Bush so he could be president. If he wins his HOME state of Tennessee he wins the presidency. But because he is a loser, he lost his home state and the election. I know it stings, with you being a liberal and all, but maybe you'll get a chance to vote for him in 08, instead of Hillary.
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lol. His goal was to win more electoral votes than Bush so he could be president. If he wins his HOME state of Tennessee he wins the presidency. But because he is a loser, he lost his home state and the election. I know it stings, with you being a liberal and all, but maybe you'll get a chance to vote for him in 08, instead of Hillary.
But if the votes were actually counted, and he won Florida, ...he won the presidency without Tennessee.
Does anyone who actually read the Supreme Court decision actually say they thought it was a good one?
I remember die-hard Republicans being shocked into silence over that one.
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they can't change it. They sholdn't. you have states like Cali or Ny with populations that outnumber many other states combined.
In theory, a guy could run on a ticket that says "I will send all the money and food to these top15 populated states". He might get the majority by winning 15 of 50 states.
Little states matter, and guys have to promise them resources too, to win.
I disagree... This is a democracy... Democracy is about "Majority Rule"... That equates to total populace... The electoral college goes against everything that is right about Democracy.
The Electoral college is an antiquated system which was designed due to lack of information about the candidates in your more rural areas... In todays information age, the information is available to pretty much everyone.
Oh, and it was about Florida... Gore didn't need to win Tennessee, he needed to win Florida... and he should have... That's pretty much it. He's not the first person to win the popular and lose the electoral though... he's just the only one in my lifetime.
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I think MY vote should count as an electoral vote all by itself. :)
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lol. His goal was to win more electoral votes than Bush so he could be president. If he wins his HOME state of Tennessee he wins the presidency. But because he is a loser, he lost his home state and the election. I know it stings, with you being a liberal and all, but maybe you'll get a chance to vote for him in 08, instead of Hillary.
why such anamosity towards al gore?
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I would love to see more about this. Link?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florida_election_recount (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florida_election_recount)
"The recount also showed that the only way that Al Gore could have tallied more votes was by using counting methods that were never requested"
So there were some counting methods where Gore could've conceivably won but none that he actually wanted the courts to make happen.
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I disagree... This is a democracy... Democracy is about "Majority Rule"... That equates to total populace... The electoral college goes against everything that is right about Democracy.
The Electoral college is an antiquated system which was designed due to lack of information about the candidates in your more rural areas... In todays information age, the information is available to pretty much everyone.
Oh, and it was about Florida... Gore didn't need to win Tennessee, he needed to win Florida... and he should have... That's pretty much it. He's not the first person to win the popular and lose the electoral though... he's just the only one in my lifetime.
Tu what you're advocating is a pure democracy, which we don't have. I think the electoral college is consistent with our representative form of government. We elect leaders who pass laws supposedly on behalf of what the public wants. The public doesn't decide most of the issues, with constitutional amendments and certain initiatives being the exception.
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why such anamosity towards al gore?
I don't have any animosity towards Gore. I was just explaining why I think he's a loser. He snatched defeat from the jaws of victory. Losers do that. :)
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I don't have any animosity towards Gore. I was just explaining why I think he's a loser. He snatched defeat from the jaws of victory. Losers do that. :)
I think in the years to come, ...this statement will be revised considerably to reflect a more accurate appraisal of what happened.
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I think in the years to come, ...this statement will be revised considerably to reflect a more accurate appraisal of what happened.
You mean we will learn that Gore actually won his home state? :) It has been seven-plus years already. I think we already know what happened in Tennessee.
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You mean we will learn that Gore actually won his home state? :) It has been seven-plus years already. I think we already know what happened in Tennessee.
Considering Florida was the state in question... maybe that's the one we'll find out he actually won.
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Considering Florida was the state in question... maybe that's the one we'll find out he actually won.
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Yeah yeah. :) But if he wins his home state, he's in. And how many recounts do we need in Florida? I guess they'll keep doing it till Gore "wins"? Talk about a dead horse.
Hey is Gore like the "People's President"? :D
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Yeah yeah. :) But if he wins his home state, he's in. And how many recounts do we need in Florida? I guess they'll keep doing it till Gore "wins"? Talk about a dead horse.
Hey is Gore like the "People's President"? :D
I dunno... but I'd bet a lot of people are sitting back wishing they'd voted for him the first time around.
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I dunno... but I'd bet a lot of people are sitting back wishing they'd voted for him the first time around.
Though I don't agree with the how the Bush administration is handling the war right now, there is NO WAY in my mind I could see an enviromental conservatist being a strong leader of our country. He be more concerned about how much CO2 would be expelled should we have to go to war, then to protect the country....lol....
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The platform required to win in Tenn wouldn't win half the popular vote.
God, beach bum, you're totally not a college professor. Every day you sound more and more completely full of shit. When I called you out on why you're here all day, suddenly "I took the semester off!"
Also, typically people who drop out of high school don't work as college professors, and they don't have the definition of an MBA explained to them. You thought it was a mail order thing that I got so I could avoid college. Seriously, your lies are piling up.
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What was funny was when Ellen DeGeneres said that Jennifer Hudson was on American Idol and didn't win the popular vote, yet went on to have a great career in spite of it.
Al Gore won the popular vote and went on to being out of politcs..............was really funny at the time.
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The platform required to win in Tenn wouldn't win half the popular vote.
God, beach bum, you're totally not a college professor. Every day you sound more and more completely full of shit. When I called you out on why you're here all day, suddenly "I took the semester off!"
Also, typically people who drop out of high school don't work as college professors, and they don't have the definition of an MBA explained to them. You thought it was a mail order thing that I got so I could avoid college. Seriously, your lies are piling up.
:-* :)
I'm still waiting for you and your mail order "MBA" to explain how descendants of slaves will now be able to file civil lawsuits because the state of Virginia's apology for its role in slavery.
Here is the post you ran away from:
Re: Virginia Expresses 'Profound Regret' for State's Role in Slavery
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Quote from: 240 is Back on February 25, 2007, 12:04:26 PM
You're kidding me, right?
Have you missed out on the entire reparations issue?
Once a state admits guilt it risks becoming culpable for civil damages.
Seriously, do you believe that the statute of limitations prevents people from getting raparations?
You claim to be a college professor. You just dropped the ball here, beachy.
Geeze Louise. Listen Gomer Pyle, I tried helping you understand a while back, to no avail, that the Military Commissions Act couldn't have been used to detain someone three years BEFORE the act was passed. Now you want help with this issue? Against my better judgment, here goes:
1. Of course the statute of limitations would apply. An apology has nothing to do whether the clock started over a 100 freakin years ago! It is when the injury occurred, not when someone apologizes for the injury. Good grief.
2. Even if we assume, for the sake of DUMB argument, that the statute of limitations did not run, we would be talking about a claim for a violation of a person's civil rights, probably under 42 U.S.C. section 1983. But the state of Virginia couldn't have violated a person's civil rights, because slavery was legal until the 13 Amendment was passed. There was also Plessy vs. Ferguson, the U.S. Supreme Court decision that validated segregation. Jim Crow was legal till the Civil Rights Act of 1964.
3. Even if we assume, for the sake of further DUMB argument, that there would be some of kind claim, nobody alive today has standing to file any lawsuit. They're all dead! I doubt claims like these survive a person's death, but someone who knows much more about this than me could probably answer that question.
4. Regarding my teaching, I'm actually taking the semester off, for the first time in over three years. But I did just write a letter of recommendation for one of my grad students from last semester. He's a black kid from the Dominican Republican who finished at the top of the class. Very bright kid.
Class is dismissed.
[Insert Jeopardy music here]
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Though I don't agree with the how the Bush administration is handling the war right now, there is NO WAY in my mind I could see an enviromental conservatist being a strong leader of our country. He be more concerned about how much CO2 would be expelled should we have to go to war, then to protect the country....lol....
Many people who were not "war" type presidents did just fine when a War was required... FDR, Washington, Truman.... We do not vote for who would be good in a war, It's not like Bush has done a great job of it... Doesn't that kind of go against that kind of thinking?
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oh, ok. so you just want to take the valid point i made about tenn and put that in a quiet little place, and cross breed threads?
Ah, okay. Typical liberal move, you clinton voting, freedom hating droupout. HTH.
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oh, ok. so you just want to take the valid point i made about tenn and put that in a quiet little place, and cross breed threads?
Ah, okay. Typical liberal move, you clinton voting, freedom hating droupout. HTH.
Was this directed at me?
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Was this directed at me?
nope. beach bum. he is a clinton man who now backs bush. a 31 Flavors voter :)
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nope. beach bum. he is a clinton man who now backs bush. a 31 Flavors voter :)
I don't like Bush and I really was a Clinton guy... best President in my lifetime I think.
Well, if he likes them both, I guess that's ok right?
I mean, I love pizza... could eat it morning noon and night, but sometimes, you just gotta have a cheeseburger.
:)
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I don't like Bush and I really was a Clinton guy... best President in my lifetime I think.
Well, if he likes them both, I guess that's ok right?
I mean, I love pizza... could eat it morning noon and night, but sometimes, you just gotta have a cheeseburger.
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I like Bush. Voted for him twice and despite all the Johnny come lately haters, I don't regret my votes for him over Gore (the loser) and Kerry (the traitor) one bit.
Clinton did a good job overall, although the Lewinsky scandal really killed his moral authority IMO, particularly when it came to his duties as Commander in Chief. His cabinet appointments sucked (see Jocelyn Elders, Lani Guinier, Les Aspen, etc.), but he helped balance the budget with the help of a Republican Congress, put more cops on the streets, started welfare reform, and appointed one good Justice in Breyer (Ginsburg is too liberal for me).
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BB, do you feel Bush has done well with the budget?
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It kills me to say it, but I agree with Bum on this one.
Even back in 2000, I said that if Gore couldn't win a decisive victory with all his advantages, running against a draft-dodging coke-sniffing mental defective, he didn't deserve to win.
Obviously, that's not to say that we wouldn't all be 1,000 times better off if he had won.
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Typical liberal move, you clinton voting, freedom hating droupout. HTH.
>:( ahem!
That's a typical bonehead move from someone who can't back up his argument. There's nothing liberal about it!
psssst - He may have voted for Clinton, ...but you voted for Bush... TWICE! :-[ ;) :-*
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BB, do you feel Bush has done well with the budget?
Let me see. Answer a dumb 240 question. Get ad hominem in response. Respond with eye roll. . . . . I'll just skip to the end:
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Let me see. Answer a dumb 240 question. Get ad hominem in response. Respond with eye roll. . . . . I'll just skip to the end:
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You voted for the man twice, and you won't comment on how he's done with the budget?
If you were happy/proud, we'd be hearing it...