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Title: To those who hate on Gore...
Post by: 240 is Back on February 28, 2007, 09:01:29 AM
Utility records show the Gore family paid an average monthly electric bill of about $1,200 last year for its 10,000-square-foot home.

What do you pay a month? 

I pay probably $120 in FL.

Gore has a family, he and his wife have offices where they work and hold meetings.  Gore has his own security / Sec Srvc detail which lives and works there.

Does the $1200 tag seem like big a deal now?  And, is the average American electric bill ONLY $60?  That's damn cheap.  It was reported that he spent TWENTY times the average.  Well, is the average American electric bill only $60?

MSN says the average american electricity bill is $117 a month.

That would make Gore's ten times the average.  And most American households don't have two home offices and secret service details living and working there.



I consider this story to be quite false.  if you disagree, by all means, show us the numbers.
Title: Re: To those who hate on Gore...
Post by: ieffinhatecardio on February 28, 2007, 09:16:35 AM
Gore has three homes. That electric bill covers only one.

You say Gore and his wife use their home as an office as well. Does he have an office outside the home?

In my opinion Gore is not the right person to champion a "green" lifestyle or even Global Warming for that matter. He lives an ultra luxurious lifestyle with multiple huge homes, personal drivers and he travels by private jet. Even if he does everything possible to conserve energy it comes off as hypocritical.
Title: Re: To those who hate on Gore...
Post by: headhuntersix on February 28, 2007, 09:28:19 AM
I think he could do more..if he's unwilling to cut back he shouldn't lecture the rest of us to do what he's not going to do himself.
Title: Re: To those who hate on Gore...
Post by: 240 is Back on February 28, 2007, 09:34:26 AM
In my opinion Gore is not the right person to champion a "green" lifestyle or even Global Warming for that matter. He lives an ultra luxurious lifestyle with multiple huge homes, personal drivers and he travels by private jet. Even if he does everything possible to conserve energy it comes off as hypocritical.

Isn't a great deal of his lecturing on the effects of big corporations pumping thousands of tons of shit into the air every day which is causing the majority of global warming?

He doesn't own a company which creates thousands of tons of pollution daily - can he still champion that cause?
Title: Re: To those who hate on Gore...
Post by: loco on February 28, 2007, 09:41:39 AM
Al Gore’s Personal Energy Use Is His Own “Inconvenient Truth”
by Drew Johnson, Tennessee Center for Policy Research
posted February 26, 2007

Last night, Al Gore’s global-warming documentary, An Inconvenient Truth, collected an Oscar for best documentary feature, but the Tennessee Center for Policy Research has found that Gore deserves a gold statue for hypocrisy.

Gore’s mansion, located in the posh Belle Meade area of Nashville, consumes more electricity every month than the average American household uses in an entire year, according to the Nashville Electric Service (NES).

In his documentary, the former Vice President calls on Americans to conserve energy by reducing electricity consumption at home.

The average household in America consumes 10,656 kilowatt-hours (kWh) per year, according to the Department of Energy. In 2006, Gore devoured nearly 221,000 kWh — more than 20 times the national average.

Last August alone, Gore burned through 22,619 kWh — guzzling more than twice the electricity in one month than an average American family uses in an entire year. As a result of his energy consumption, Gore’s average monthly electric bill topped $1,359.

Since the release of An Inconvenient Truth, Gore’s energy consumption has increased from an average of 16,200 kWh per month in 2005, to 18,400 kWh per month in 2006.

Gore’s extravagant energy use does not stop at his electric bill. Natural gas bills for Gore’s mansion and guest house averaged $1,080 per month last year.

“As the spokesman of choice for the global warming movement, Al Gore has to be willing to walk to walk, not just talk the talk, when it comes to home energy use,” said Tennessee Center for Policy Research President Drew Johnson.

In total, Gore paid nearly $30,000 in combined electricity and natural gas bills for his Nashville estate in 2006.

(The Tennessee Center for Policy Research is an independent, nonprofit and nonpartisan research organization committed to achieving a freer, more prosperous Tennessee through free market policy solutions.)
Title: Re: To those who hate on Gore...
Post by: 240 is Back on February 28, 2007, 09:46:57 AM
The man has a secret service detail living in his home.

Seriously, i think this might skew the numbers just a little.

If you had 5+ Secret Service men eating, playing computer, watching TV, cooking, and passing time in your home, do you think your light bill might be a little higher than 117 a month? ;)
Title: Re: To those who hate on Gore...
Post by: ribonucleic on February 28, 2007, 09:50:43 AM
Short of killing yourself immediately and being buried naked to facilitate your decomposition, there is no way for any of us to avoid having a negative impact on the environment.

Now one can, with complete intellectual integrity, say, "I'm going to consume as many resources as I want and fuck everyone else."

But is that really preferable to suggesting that we find some way to at least make what we've got last a little longer?

And is the right really so bereft of intellectual resources that the only response it can make is an ad hominem attack on the "hypocrisy" of the person suggesting it?

Wait, don't answer that.  :)
Title: Re: To those who hate on Gore...
Post by: headhuntersix on February 28, 2007, 09:51:18 AM
I understand..but he's gotta watch what he says or at the very least do more to offset his consumption etc.
Title: Re: To those who hate on Gore...
Post by: ieffinhatecardio on February 28, 2007, 09:52:39 AM
Short of killing yourself immediately and being buried naked to facilitate your decomposition, there is no way for any of us to avoid having a negative impact on the environment.

Now one can, with complete intellectual integrity, say, "I'm going to consume as many resources as I want and fuck everyone else."

But is that really preferable to suggesting that we find some way to at least make what we've got last a little longer?

And is the right really so bereft of intellectual resources that the only response it can make is an ad hominem attack on the "hypocrisy" of the person suggesting it?

Wait, don't answer that.  :)

Will you at least acknowledge that perhaps Gore isn't the best candidate to be championing this cause?
Title: Re: To those who hate on Gore...
Post by: headhuntersix on February 28, 2007, 09:53:55 AM
Those that point fingers..right or wrong need to try and offset whats being consumed. He travels around lecturing..has big houses..all consuming more then the normal person. I guess he could do more. This is really not that big a deal. What he needs to do is try and convince the dems and then the repubs to block this trucking thing with mexico...
Title: Re: To those who hate on Gore...
Post by: ribonucleic on February 28, 2007, 10:01:25 AM
Will you at least acknowledge that perhaps Gore isn't the best candidate to be championing this cause?

I doubt he's the best candidate to be championing anything.  :)

Would the message sound more sincere coming from, say, Wendell Berry than a multi-millionaire with multi-generation Washington connections? Sure.
Title: Re: To those who hate on Gore...
Post by: Hugo Chavez on February 28, 2007, 10:03:22 AM
I consider this story to be quite false.  if you disagree, by all means, show us the numbers.

Yup, I gotta call bullshit for a few reasons.... The last time I saw a 60.00 bill was in the 80's and that was for a 250 square foot studio apartment!  Let's not forget a few calculations... I don't care what the average bill is.  That's irrelevant because the extremes are extreme and rates can very greatly even within a city.  Al Gore may live in the highest category for billing by the electric company.  As an example of why this story of bullshit, I pay between 200 and 400.00(this month's electric bill >:() per month.for my 3 bedroom 1280 square foot home in Colorado.  Per Square Foot, I pay a bigger utility bill than Al Gore.  If you add it up, If Al Gore's house was rated by the electric company as mine is, he would be paying 3125.00  So as I see it, per square foot of home, Al Gore is kicking my ass with whatever he's doing to contribute.  He would have to have more efficient lighting and heating than me for sure.  If I were doing what ever it is Al is doing, my bill would be 153.60 per month.  If this were any kind of fair piece and not a hit piece, these stories would compare Al Gore's 10,000 square foot home to others at the same electric rates.  And definitly, it should be calculated, how many people live there, what is the bill per person, what takes place at the residence, business, meetings etc etc...  Our bill for our Colorado home is for 2 people!  This story has holes all over it and I have to wonder, why is it that none of this is covered on not one media outlet?  Not CNN, not msnbc, not any of them asked these questions... They just sat there and asked two rightwing pundits to refute on leftwing pundit... ::) notice how that is almost always the odds, two righties to one lefty...  I have not seen one investigative reporter say, Yes Wolf, I looked into this and infact the numbers are decieving.... da da da... nope, why???  Becuase the media is to bias liberal???? BWHAHHAhhhahahahhahhahha haahaah
Title: Re: To those who hate on Gore...
Post by: ribonucleic on February 28, 2007, 10:05:25 AM
notice how that is almost always the odds, two righties to one lefty...  I have not seen one investigative reporter say, Yes Wolf, I looked into this and infact the numbers are decieving.... da da da... nope, why???  Becuase the media is to bias liberal???? BWHAHHAhhhahahahhahhahha haahaah

You're missing the big picture here.

If Al Gore is a hypocrite, global warming doesn't exist.

Hope this helps.
Title: Re: To those who hate on Gore...
Post by: Hugo Chavez on February 28, 2007, 10:09:14 AM
You're missing the big picture here.

If Al Gore is a hypocrite, global warming doesn't exist.

Hope this helps.
You read my post and pulled that out as me missing the point ::)  WTF????????????  ::)  You're a goddmaned moron for thinking that was my point...  It was a side note ::)


Get some help ;)
Title: Re: To those who hate on Gore...
Post by: militarymuscle69 on February 28, 2007, 10:16:09 AM
Utility records show the Gore family paid an average monthly electric bill of about $1,200 last year for its 10,000-square-foot home.

What do you pay a month? 

I pay probably $120 in FL.

Gore has a family, he and his wife have offices where they work and hold meetings.  Gore has his own security / Sec Srvc detail which lives and works there.

Does the $1200 tag seem like big a deal now?  And, is the average American electric bill ONLY $60?  That's damn cheap.  It was reported that he spent TWENTY times the average.  Well, is the average American electric bill only $60?

MSN says the average american electricity bill is $117 a month.

That would make Gore's ten times the average.  And most American households don't have two home offices and secret service details living and working there.



I consider this story to be quite false.  if you disagree, by all means, show us the numbers.

I believe it said that gore USES not spends 20 times the average. I know here the more I use the cheaper it gets, so he could easily spend 10 times but use 20 times. I have to read my own meter (lovely rural missouri) and say I use 1400 KW it might be $100. If I use 1500 it jumps about $50. If I use 2000 it only jumps $75... make sense? I don;t bash Gore for his plane/car/house use. I would probably do the same if I had the money. But I also don't lecture on the environment.
Title: Re: To those who hate on Gore...
Post by: Hugo Chavez on February 28, 2007, 10:29:45 AM
I don't get it, what's he suppose to do, live like a hobbit and run everything he does, family, business, etc from his hobbit home because one of the things he's doing is traveling all over lecturing on it?  ::)  Nobody is answering or asking if this is a lot to pay for what it is?  How does Al Gore's bill compare to other homes like that with that many people living/operation out of it?  Comparing Al Gore's home in any way to the average is misleading as hell... Why in hell would you want Little Billy's studio appartment to be part of this calculation?  Answer: Only to make Al Gore look like an ass....
Title: Re: To those who hate on Gore...
Post by: militarymuscle69 on February 28, 2007, 10:34:59 AM
I don't get it, what's he suppose to do, live like a hobbit and run everything he does, family, business, etc from his hobbit home because one of the things he's doing is traveling all over lecturing on it?  ::)  Nobody is answering or asking if this is a lot to pay for what it is?  How does Al Gore's bill compare to other homes like that with that many people living/operation out of it?  Comparing Al Gore's home in any way to the average is misleading as hell... Why in hell would you want Little Billy's studio appartment to be part of this calculation?  Answer: Only to make Al Gore look like an ass....

Al gore looks like an ass himself, and in the end he is just a front man for this movement. How many speaches were given the other night on the emmys/grammys whatever it was. Yet each of those stars didn't think of sharing limos or private jets to get there. Sure Gore has a huge team and needs a huge house, what about madonna, Dicaprio and the other stars. Do they need 40,000 square feet and a fleet of cars and jets?
Title: Re: To those who hate on Gore...
Post by: ieffinhatecardio on February 28, 2007, 10:37:58 AM
I don't get it, what's he suppose to do, live like a hobbit and run everything he does, family, business, etc from his hobbit home because one of the things he's doing is traveling all over lecturing on it?  ::)  Nobody is answering or asking if this is a lot to pay for what it is?  How does Al Gore's bill compare to other homes like that with that many people living/operation out of it?  Comparing Al Gore's home in any way to the average is misleading as hell... Why in hell would you want Little Billy's studio appartment to be part of this calculation?  Answer: Only to make Al Gore look like an ass....

So the alternatives are "live like a hobbit" or live an extravagantly luxurious lifestyle? Just because he has the resources doesn't mean he has to spend them.

In my opinion it's difficult to preach "Green" when you live like he does. I'm not saying the guy is evil just that he comes off as hypocritical.
Title: Re: To those who hate on Gore...
Post by: ribonucleic on February 28, 2007, 10:53:02 AM
I'd also like to challenge the unexamined assumption that hobbits aren't evil.

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Title: Re: To those who hate on Gore...
Post by: ieffinhatecardio on February 28, 2007, 10:56:03 AM
I'd also like to challenge the unexamined assumption that hobbits aren't evil.

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LOL

How about Ed Begley Jr as the face of Global Warming? Or does the public think of him as too much of a wacko?

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Title: Re: To those who hate on Gore...
Post by: ribonucleic on February 28, 2007, 11:01:24 AM
LOL

How about Ed Begley Jr as the face of Global Warming? Or does the public think of him as too much of a wacko?

(http://www.dupontregistry.com/Celebritycar/fall04/images/Fall04-pEdBegleyJr-1.jpg)

On the credibility scale, he's about one step up from Woody Harrelson advocating for hemp.  :)

But give Ed credit for having enough of a sense of humor to play himself on The Simpsons as driving a vehicle "powered by my own sense of self-satisfaction".
Title: Re: To those who hate on Gore...
Post by: Hugo Chavez on February 28, 2007, 11:11:55 AM
So the alternatives are "live like a hobbit" or live an extravagantly luxurious lifestyle? Just because he has the resources doesn't mean he has to spend them.

In my opinion it's difficult to preach "Green" when you live like he does. I'm not saying the guy is evil just that he comes off as hypocritical.
That's what I'm asking, is this what people are saying????  If you lecture on it you better live like a hobbit?  Yea, that's what it looks like some are saying... I want to know, deos AL Gore's home = extravagantly luxurious lifestyle?  I would like to see the stats of his home and what happens and how many people live there stacked up against similar homes?  I have no idea what the average for a 10,000 square foot home with many people and business/meetings/events is?  Why is not one media outlet asking these questions, they're so liberal, I can't be the only one thinking of asking this?  I have to have a valid point that there is not really any reasoning for having little Billy's studio apartment in the calculation, but that's exactly what happens when you compare Gore to the national average.  All I'm saying, is for what it is, maybe Al Gore's usage rate is one of the best.  Per Person needs to be calculated to be fair.  Lets say Al Gore moves his business and other dealing into their own establishments because he racks up a 1200.00 per month electric bill that the media is nailing him on.  Now that he's moved everything out, his home is say 400.00 but the total for the establishments and the home is more, how smart would that have been?  How smart is it for Al to Run everything from one central location?  Did one fag ass reporter give him kudos for that?  Oh no?  why?
Title: Re: To those who hate on Gore...
Post by: militarymuscle69 on February 28, 2007, 11:17:06 AM
That's what I'm asking, is this what people are saying????  If you lecture on it you better live like a hobbit?  Yea, that's what it looks like some are saying... I want to know, deos AL Gore's home = extravagantly luxurious lifestyle?  I would like to see the stats of his home and what happens and how many people live there stacked up against similar homes?  I have no idea what the average for a 10,000 square foot home with many people and business/meetings/events is?  Why is not one media outlet asking these questions, they're so liberal, I can't be the only one thinking of asking this?  I have to have a valid point that there is not really any reasoning for having little Billy's studio apartment in the calculation, but that's exactly what happens when you compare Gore to the national average.  All I'm saying, is for what it is, maybe Al Gore's usage rate is one of the best.  Per Person needs to be calculated to be fair.  Lets say Al Gore moves his business and other dealing into their own establishments because he racks up a 1200.00 per month electric bill that the media is nailing him on.  Now that he's moved everything out, his home is say 400.00 but the total for the establishments and the home is more, how smart would that have been?  How smart is it for Al to Run everything from one central location?  Did one fag ass reporter give him kudos for that?  Oh no?  why?

Damn I didn't realize what a Gore lover beserker was. How about this, it doesn't fucking matter how much electricity he is using be cause the "doomsday global warming epidemic" is a farse.
Title: Re: To those who hate on Gore...
Post by: ieffinhatecardio on February 28, 2007, 11:17:10 AM
On the credibility scale, he's about one step up from Woody Harrelson advocating for hemp.  :)

But give Ed credit for having enough of a sense of humor to play himself on The Simpsons as driving a vehicle "powered by my own sense of self-satisfaction".

Ouch, the dreaded Woody Harrelson. His father's a murderer and he's an advocate for hemp.

How about South Park? Have you seen the "Smug Alert" episode? They renamed the Prius the Pious and Smog Alerts became Smug Alerts. LOL

Oh, and citizens of San Francisco fart into wine glasses and sniff the scent as if it's a fine wine. LOL It's very nearly the work of genius.  ;D

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Title: Re: To those who hate on Gore...
Post by: Hugo Chavez on February 28, 2007, 11:20:53 AM
Damn I didn't realize what a Gore lover beserker was. How about this, it doesn't fucking matter how much electricity he is using be cause the "doomsday global warming epidemic" is a farse.
I'm only trying to see that we're looking at the truth and not misleading info... I'll take this reply as a big fat red herring...  When you have something real to refute my questions with, you let Big Bad Berserker know ;)
Title: Re: To those who hate on Gore...
Post by: ieffinhatecardio on February 28, 2007, 11:26:22 AM
That's what I'm asking, is this what people are saying????  If you lecture on it you better live like a hobbit?  Yea, that's what it looks like some are saying... I want to know, deos AL Gore's home = extravagantly luxurious lifestyle?  I would like to see the stats of his home and what happens and how many people live there stacked up against similar homes?  I have no idea what the average for a 10,000 square foot home with many people and business/meetings/events is?  Why is not one media outlet asking these questions, they're so liberal, I can't be the only one thinking of asking this?  I have to have a valid point that there is not really any reasoning for having little Billy's studio apartment in the calculation, but that's exactly what happens when you compare Gore to the national average.  All I'm saying, is for what it is, maybe Al Gore's usage rate is one of the best.  Per Person needs to be calculated to be fair.  Lets say Al Gore moves his business and other dealing into their own establishments because he racks up a 1200.00 per month electric bill that the media is nailing him on.  Now that he's moved everything out, his home is say 400.00 but the total for the establishments and the home is more, how smart would that have been?  How smart is it for Al to Run everything from one central location?  Did one fag ass reporter give him kudos for that?  Oh no?  why?

He's got three homes not just one. That 10,000 square foot house everyone is talking about is only one of his homes.

I don't think anyone is saying he has to live like a monk but three huge homes, perhaps outside offices, personal drivers and private jets is rather extravagant. He lives a life of luxury. Good for him, it's his money but he looks like a hypocrite preaching global warming when he lives the way he does.
Title: Re: To those who hate on Gore...
Post by: Camel Jockey on February 28, 2007, 11:31:20 AM


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That was a shitty episode, probably the worst of last season along with Al Gore's "super-duper serial" episode.
Title: Re: To those who hate on Gore...
Post by: militarymuscle69 on February 28, 2007, 11:33:48 AM
I'm only trying to see that we're looking at the truth and not misleading info... I'll take this reply as a big fat red herring...  When you have something real to refute my questions with, you let Big Bad Berserker know ;)

1. I won't ever refute your question because I don't buy inot global warming so in all seriousness I could care less what Gore does.

2. This whole board is nothing but misleading info, all of the CT stuff is misleading, so is most of the Bush bashing. If you are saying everything needs to be backed by concrete proof, this board will shut down.
Title: Re: To those who hate on Gore...
Post by: ieffinhatecardio on February 28, 2007, 11:36:24 AM
That was a shitty episode, probably the worst of last season along with Al Gore's "super-duper serial" episode.

I thought it was funny as hell. I loved them naming the car the Pious and the dude sniffing his farts like fine wine was hilarious.

I liked the Al Gore episode too, the manbearpig gag worked well, I thought.
Title: Re: To those who hate on Gore...
Post by: Hugo Chavez on February 28, 2007, 01:08:18 PM
1. I won't ever refute

Can't say that I read past this, would there have been a reason for me to?
Title: Re: To those who hate on Gore...
Post by: Hugo Chavez on February 28, 2007, 01:14:46 PM
He's got three homes not just one. That 10,000 square foot house everyone is talking about is only one of his homes.

I don't think anyone is saying he has to live like a monk but three huge homes, perhaps outside offices, personal drivers and private jets is rather extravagant. He lives a life of luxury. Good for him, it's his money but he looks like a hypocrite preaching global warming when he lives the way he does.
I'm just trying to get to the facts of the case which I admit I don't know because nobody on the news seems to be getting into them.  I don't even know, is this 1200.00 bill for all three homes or just the one?  Are all his homes up and running at the same time or are we taking about vacation homes that are only up and going when he's at them?  I just want the truth of the matter and I think you know me well enough by now to know I have a history of just wanting to make sure the facts don't get spun into something else.  If Al is out of line, fine, I just question stuff here because the way I see it, there's plenty to question before a definitive statement on Al electric usage can be reached.  You've plenty of times come down on others for outright bias... Shouldn't we be after the facts exactly as they are before judgement?  That's all I'm asking...  I've laid out several important questions to address before making judgement... That is all....
Title: Re: To those who hate on Gore...
Post by: militarymuscle69 on February 28, 2007, 01:20:22 PM
Can't say that I read past this, would there have been a reason for me to?

Your question was should he live like a hobbitt, I can't refute that because I don't buy into global warming. SO like I said I don't care what he does. Here is the rest of my post.

2. This whole board is nothing but misleading info, all of the CT stuff is misleading, so is most of the Bush bashing. If you are saying everything needs to be backed by concrete proof, this board will shut down.
Title: Re: To those who hate on Gore...
Post by: Hugo Chavez on February 28, 2007, 01:33:36 PM
Your question was should he live like a hobbitt, I can't refute that because I don't buy into global warming. SO like I said I don't care what he does. Here is the rest of my post.

2. This whole board is nothing but misleading info, all of the CT stuff is misleading, so is most of the Bush bashing. If you are saying everything needs to be backed by concrete proof, this board will shut down.
Yes and this is red herring to the point of the thread.  This isn't about if Global Warming is real or not, it's about whether Al Gore is being a hypocrite and not practicing what he's preaching.  A lot of people on here seek proof especially where concrete proof is a known to exist.  The questions I've asked are tangible actual real obtainable data.  When data isn't obtainable then sometimes people speculate but that is what it is.  This is not a CT theory Bubba... What this is, IS a big fat Red Herring from you...

Now that should help but I know it won't ;)
Title: Re: To those who hate on Gore...
Post by: militarymuscle69 on February 28, 2007, 01:36:48 PM
Yes and this is red herring to the point of the thread.  This isn't about if Global Warming is real or not, it's about whether Al Gore is being a hypocrite and not practicing what he's preaching.  A lot of people on here seek proof especially where concrete proof is a known to exist.  The questions I've asked are tangible actual real obtainable data.  When data isn't obtainable then sometimes people speculate but that is what it is.  This is not a CT theory Bubba... What this is, IS a big fat Red Herring from you...

Now that should help but I know it won't ;)

How the fuck did a dumb ass like you get to be moderator. I didn't call this thread a CT. You said people shouldn't bash Gore without proof. I said that if we were going to institute that policy in the politics board then it would shut down becasue 90% of the stuff posted in here is without proof.
Title: Re: To those who hate on Gore...
Post by: Hugo Chavez on February 28, 2007, 01:36:59 PM
I'm not claiming to know the truth here people, what I'm wanting is to get at the truth.
Title: Re: To those who hate on Gore...
Post by: Hugo Chavez on February 28, 2007, 01:38:28 PM
How the fuck did a dumb ass like you get to be moderator. I didn't call this thread a CT. You said people shouldn't bash Gore without proof. I said that if we were going to institute that policy in the politics board then it would shut down becasue 90% of the stuff posted in here is without proof.
::) In Reference to your "2. This whole board is nothing but misleading info, all of the CT stuff is misleading, so is most of the Bush bashing. If you are saying everything needs to be backed by concrete proof, this board will shut down."

You forget your own words pretty fast ::)
Title: Re: To those who hate on Gore...
Post by: Hugo Chavez on February 28, 2007, 01:41:15 PM
You said people shouldn't bash Gore without proof.
Where did I say that?  I said I want to get at questions that should be answered before passing judgement.  That is I'm saying I can't say Gore is wrong until I know the answers to some of my questions... ::)  When stuff is posted in this forum without information to back it up, it gets challenged all the time by people, so stop with the " :'("
Title: Re: To those who hate on Gore...
Post by: militarymuscle69 on February 28, 2007, 01:59:57 PM
Where did I say that?  I said I want to get at questions that should be answered before passing judgement.  That is I'm saying I can't say Gore is wrong until I know the answers to some of my questions... ::)  When stuff is posted in this forum without information to back it up, it gets challenged all the time by people, so stop with the " :'("

This is your statement "I'm only trying to see that we're looking at the truth and not misleading info" Where are you when misleading info is being said about Bush and the war? Oh wait you don't care since you are a Bush basher yourself
Title: Re: To those who hate on Gore...
Post by: militarymuscle69 on February 28, 2007, 02:00:30 PM
::) In Reference to your "2. This whole board is nothing but misleading info, all of the CT stuff is misleading, so is most of the Bush bashing. If you are saying everything needs to be backed by concrete proof, this board will shut down."

You forget your own words pretty fast ::)

And which words were those that I forgot?
Title: Re: To those who hate on Gore...
Post by: Hugo Chavez on February 28, 2007, 02:12:12 PM
This is your statement "I'm only trying to see that we're looking at the truth and not misleading info" Where are you when misleading info is being said about Bush and the war? Oh wait you don't care since you are a Bush basher yourself
Stop with the red herrings, this isn't about chosing to ignore important questions because you think Bush gets the same treatment here... Stop right there, plenty of people pop in, like headhunter and call BS and try to bring knoweledge to the debate.  People like Bruce call BS on what they believe is misleading info all the time.  It wouldn't be right for me to pop into their attempts to do so and say, well, you guys do it to Al Gore ::) All I had were questions that I feel should be answered to make a determination.  What is your problem again ::)
Title: Re: To those who hate on Gore...
Post by: militarymuscle69 on February 28, 2007, 02:13:52 PM
Stop with the red herrings, this isn't about chosing to ignore important questions because you think Bush gets the same treatment here... Stop right there, plenty of people pop in, like headhunter and call BS and try to bring knoweledge to the debate.  People like Bruce call BS on what they believe is misleading info all the time.  It wouldn't be right for me to pop into their attempts to do so and say, well, you guys do it to Al Gore ::) All I had were questions that I feel should be answered to make a determination.  What is your problem again ::)

wow, you did it you wore me out. I'm tired of chasing your circles, you win
Title: Re: To those who hate on Gore...
Post by: Hugo Chavez on February 28, 2007, 02:14:08 PM
And which words were those that I forgot
::) You're the one who said, ''This whole board is nothing but misleading info" and then rattled on your examples naming CT theories... I just said this isn't a CT theory bubba... My post was clear as fuck, so what's the problem ::)
Title: Re: To those who hate on Gore...
Post by: Hugo Chavez on February 28, 2007, 02:15:37 PM
wow, you did it you wore me out. I'm tired of chasing your circles, you win
My circles  :-\  You're the one who kept up with red herrings and I'm the one who tried to keep it on point and I get accused of going in circles ::)


Ok ::)
Title: Re: To those who hate on Gore...
Post by: militarymuscle69 on February 28, 2007, 02:19:17 PM
::) You're the one who said, ''This whole board is nothing but misleading info" and then rattled on your examples naming CT theories... I just said this isn't a CT theory bubba... My post was clear as fuck, so what's the problem ::)

 ::) meltdown ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
Title: Re: To those who hate on Gore...
Post by: Hugo Chavez on February 28, 2007, 02:20:19 PM
::) meltdown ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
cry baby... :'(
Title: Re: To those who hate on Gore...
Post by: Hugo Chavez on February 28, 2007, 02:23:47 PM
69, stop for a second and look what you're doing... I'm only asking for a few facts to determine if Gore should be judged as a hypocrite and you're coming unglued because I want to know things like how his 10,000 square foot home ranks with other 10,000 square foot homes?  If the 1200,00 is for all 3 of his homes or the one home? What the bill is per person?  How that ranks with others? etc etc..  I have questions and you're busting my ass for asking questions ???


ah OK ::)
Title: Re: To those who hate on Gore...
Post by: BRUCE on February 28, 2007, 02:26:41 PM
Emoticon overload.
Title: Re: To those who hate on Gore...
Post by: militarymuscle69 on February 28, 2007, 02:38:40 PM
69, stop for a second and look what you're doing... I'm only asking for a few facts to determine if Gore should be judged as a hypocrite and you're coming unglued because I want to know things like how his 10,000 square foot home ranks with other 10,000 square foot homes?  If the 1200,00 is for all 3 of his homes or the one home? What the bill is per person?  How that ranks with others? etc etc..  I have questions and you're busting my ass for asking questions ???


ah OK ::)

I'm not busting your ass for asking questions, but as moderator, if you are going to jump on people and ask questions out of "fairness" to Gore, I would expect you to do the same in other posts on other issues and you don't do that. In the beginning I said I didn't argue with you because I didn't care what gore did and you started all this other BS.
Title: Re: To those who hate on Gore...
Post by: Hugo Chavez on February 28, 2007, 03:35:16 PM
I'm not busting your ass for asking questions, but as moderator, if you are going to jump on people and ask questions out of "fairness" to Gore, I would expect you to do the same in other posts on other issues and you don't do that. In the beginning I said I didn't argue with you because I didn't care what gore did and you started all this other BS.
It never fails... In the end another person who resorts to attacking my modding in the middle of a political debate... It seems like I can't have an opinion unless i've exibited myself to be politically neutral  ::)  Another case of my mod status being held over my head...
Title: Re: To those who hate on Gore...
Post by: ribonucleic on February 28, 2007, 03:39:09 PM
Another case of my mod status being held over my head...

How the fuck did a dumbass like you get to be moderator anyway?

 ;)
Title: Re: To those who hate on Gore...
Post by: BRUCE on February 28, 2007, 03:44:07 PM
How the fuck did a dumbass like you get to be moderator anyway?

 ;)

One word:

Diebold.
Title: Re: To those who hate on Gore...
Post by: Hugo Chavez on February 28, 2007, 03:46:18 PM
How the fuck did a dumbass like you get to be moderator anyway?

 ;)
Because I know who killed Mary Kelly  :D
Title: Re: To those who hate on Gore...
Post by: Hugo Chavez on February 28, 2007, 03:48:45 PM
One word:

Diebold.
LOL ;D


(http://www.imagedonkey.com/out.php?i=19597_dieboldadstalin.jpg)
Title: Re: To those who hate on Gore...
Post by: ribonucleic on February 28, 2007, 03:49:11 PM
LOL ;D


(http://www.imagedonkey.com/out.php?i=19597_dieboldadstalin.jpg)

I have to admit... that was awfully good.  :)
Title: Re: To those who hate on Gore...
Post by: Hugo Chavez on February 28, 2007, 03:51:30 PM
I have to admit... that was awfully good.  :)
you're welcome 8)
Title: Re: To those who hate on Gore...
Post by: BRUCE on February 28, 2007, 04:05:43 PM
Impeach Berserker!
Title: Re: To those who hate on Gore...
Post by: GroinkTropin on February 28, 2007, 05:38:32 PM
You guys, this is rather simple-Al Gore is rich as fuck, he has a crew of secret service traveling with him like a circus, how would you expect him to live? In a 2 bed condo driving a prius? He's supposed to live it up, thats supposedly the capitalistic incentive to working hard right? Work hard make money live it up. He's championing a good cause, why knock him? Theres a lot of shit in teh air and it's getting worse, at least he's saying something about it and trying to get a movement going. I hope he runs, if he does maybe he will be elected prez and have the power to pressure the rest of the world (think india and china) to also do something about our pollution levels. I think global warming is just a way to say over pollution, and you have to admit something DOES need to be done.
Title: Re: To those who hate on Gore...
Post by: Hugo Chavez on February 28, 2007, 05:43:37 PM
Impeach Berserker!
:o


 ;D
Title: Re: To those who hate on Gore...
Post by: BRUCE on February 28, 2007, 05:44:48 PM
You guys, this is rather simple-Al Gore is rich as fuck, he has a crew of secret service traveling with him like a circus, how would you expect him to live? In a 2 bed condo driving a prius? He's supposed to live it up, thats supposedly the capitalistic incentive to working hard right? Work hard make money live it up. He's championing a good cause, why knock him? Theres a lot of shit in teh air and it's getting worse, at least he's saying something about it and trying to get a movement going. I hope he runs, if he does maybe he will be elected prez and have the power to pressure the rest of the world (think india and china) to also do something about our pollution levels. I think global warming is just a way to say over pollution, and you have to admit something DOES need to be done.

Oh yes, that would be fantastic, then he can sleep on a bed of burning brown coal while the rest of the world is living in huts and 'holding them in'.

Sounds wonderful.
Title: Re: To those who hate on Gore...
Post by: 240 is Back on February 28, 2007, 05:51:32 PM
Is there a human being with as much global influence, experience and knowledge as Al Gore, who is championing the cause of Global Warming?

No.

Would he be as effective for changes on the macro level (IE: convincing 500 million people to change habits) if he lived in a hut and rode a bicycle?

No.
Title: Re: To those who hate on Gore...
Post by: Hugo Chavez on February 28, 2007, 06:06:00 PM
Is there a human being with as much global influence, experience and knowledge as Al Gore, who is championing the cause of Global Warming?

No.

Would he be as effective for changes on the macro level (IE: convincing 500 million people to change habits) if he lived in a hut and rode a bicycle?

No.


;D
Title: Re: To those who hate on Gore...
Post by: Hedgehog on March 01, 2007, 12:02:48 AM
Al Gore shows that however you live, you can do a lot to save energy.

Light bulbs, energy windows, hybrid cars, green energy...

Lots of things you can do without living like a caveman.

-Hedge
Title: Re: To those who hate on Gore...
Post by: BRUCE on March 01, 2007, 12:39:35 AM
Al Gore shows that however you live, you can do a lot to save energy.

Light bulbs, energy windows, hybrid cars, green energy...

Lots of things you can do without living like a caveman.

-Hedge

But not even close to enough if you want to 'save the world'.
Title: Re: To those who hate on Gore...
Post by: militarymuscle69 on March 01, 2007, 05:06:22 AM
It never fails... In the end another person who resorts to attacking my modding in the middle of a political debate... It seems like I can't have an opinion unless i've exibited myself to be politically neutral  ::)  Another case of my mod status being held over my head...

Part of being Mod dude. I mean I know how glorious it must be and I am sure the chicks dig it when you share it at the comic book conventions, but if you can't be neutral, you shouldn't be a mod. Just yesterday a couple hours were spent trying to say this board isn't liberal biased and yet the mod admits he isn't neutral. I say we impeach, we were lied to