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http://www.townhall.com/columnists/MikeSAdams/2007/02/28/me_and_julio_down_by_the_schoolyard
Interesting article right in your own back yard.
Why does the University still employ this fag?
Even after a petition:
http://www.petitiononline.com/drpino/petition.html
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You're asking for petition signatures and you call him gay?
LOL
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You're asking for petition signatures and you call him gay?
LOL
Huh? No, the point I was making with the petition was that the University is fully aware of his jihadistic beliefs, yet they still employ him, and he is paid with YOUR tax money.
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http://www.townhall.com/columnists/MikeSAdams/2007/02/28/me_and_julio_down_by_the_schoolyard
Interesting article right in your own back yard.
Why does the University still employ this fag?
Even after a petition:
http://www.petitiononline.com/drpino/petition.html
Unbelievable. Outrageous. :o
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Kent State issued a statement today saying the university has no connection to an anti-American Web site conservative bloggers say is run by associate professor of history Julio Pino.
Yesterday columnist Mike S. Adams accused Pino of running a blog called "Global War" at http://global-war.bloghi.com. The blog makes statements supporting al-Qaida and the Taliban and calls itself a "jihadist news service."
According to Kent State, the university has found no evidence that the site in question is run by Pino or that the man pictured on the site is Pino, nor has it found evidence that university servers were used in the creation or maintenance of the site.
"The opinions on the Web site ("Global War") do not represent the university," the statement said. "We do not speak for Pino nor defend any views he might have, and he does not speak for Kent State, his department or other faculty."
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http://www.townhall.com/columnists/MikeSAdams/2007/02/28/me_and_julio_down_by_the_schoolyard
Interesting article right in your own back yard.
Why does the University still employ this fag?
Even after a petition:
http://www.petitiononline.com/drpino/petition.html
He must be tenured. They probably could only get rid of him then is if he kills somebody.
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Hopefully some rednecks get hold of that guy. >:(
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What kind of pisses me off is the censorship and re-direction taking place on the internet.
I clicked on the link, and it redirects me to a different site. WTF!!!
If I wanted to see a different site, I would have clicked on a different site.
I was eventually able to see it, by clicking on it, and immediately doing a screenshot.
This pisses me off about the coming state run by incestuous corporations in bed with each other.
It's bad enough you have to pay for the isp, ...but then it gives you what it wants to give you,
...and you're the sucker who's paying for it? ??? >:(
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He must be tenured. They probably could only get rid of him then is if he kills somebody.
He'd probably have to kill a student in the classroom. I view tenured professors second only to federal judges when it comes to job security.
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Professor accused of writing jihad blog
Julio Pino speaks out for his rights after national attention
by Katie Alberti
Issue date: 3/2/07 Section: News
Originally published: 3/2/07 at 12:52 AM EST Last update: 3/2/07 at 2:53 AM EST
Julio "Assad" Pino said the blog isn't the issue - it's freedom of speech.
At issue is a controversial blog that says Pino has ties to a Web site that supports al-Qaida, the Taliban and militant Palestinians.
On Tuesday, the Drudge Report, an international news Web site, posted a blog by Mike Adams, associate professor of sociology and criminal justice at the University of North Carolina-Wilmington. Within the blog, Adams alleges Pino, associate professor of history at Kent State, runs the site "Global War," which calls itself "a jihadist news service."
VIDEO (http://tv2.kent.edu/asp_new/stater/video_stater.asp?IDKSUStory=617)
Watch an interview with Stater News editor Katie Alberti concerning the controversial Web site "Global War," which professor Julio Pino is accused of running.
According to Adams' blog, he says because of Pino's decision to "'provide battle dispatches, training manuals, and jihad videos to our (enemies) worldwide' (he) deserves to be arrested and sent to an island off the coast of North America, stripped naked, interrogated, and, if necessary, tortured to ascertain the extent of his involvement in assisting our enemies."
Pino said he wouldn't acknowledge any connection with the extremist blog that has attracted national attention.
"The Web site is not the issue - freedom of speech is the issue," he said.
In his first in-depth interview on the subject, Pino said Adams went "beyond the course of civilized behavior."
"It all started because a man, or professor, from North Carolina, who knows nothing, made allegations that threaten me," Pino said.
He said he would not comment on "Global War" or his personal beliefs about the Web site.
"I have no comment," Pino said. "It is something which I feel every American holds dear: The right to say things and not say things."
Philosophy professor Norman Fischer, a friend of Pino's, said there is no reason for the media hype surrounding Adams' blog.
"This is the new McCarthyism - a revival attempt to stop political speech," Fischer said.
The blog is an issue, Fischer said, because Pino is a defender of Palestinian rights, something Americans might not agree with.
"As a citizen, I support Palestinian rights," he said. "So does Jimmy Carter and Assad Pino. We suffer the most from this new McCarthyism."
Pino, a Muslim convert, said he considers himself a "humble servant of God" and believes God wants peace.
In addition, he said the media attention has come about from his "unpopular" beliefs. But, he said it's what happens when "buzz words, such as terrorist" are used.
Yesterday morning, Kent State issued a statement emphasizing there is no connection between the university and the blog. The statement also said:
- There is no evidence the Web site is authorized by Pino.
- No Kent State servers or resources were used to create or maintain the site.
- Pino has no complaints registered by students or instructors about his classroom conduct and demeanor.
- The opinions on the Web site do not reflect those of the university.
- Kent State and Pino have received hate mail and threats, which will be monitored by university officials.
- As an employer, proper university processes are used to determine if a faculty member should be dismissed.
- Kent State asked the blogs and sources to refrain from writing and distributing information associating the university with the Web site.
Pino echoed the university's statement.
"I don't speak for the university," he said. "And the university doesn't speak for me or endorse my beliefs."
Pino said he hasn't responded to interview requests from CNN, Fox and other media outlets because it's a matter of his personal beliefs.
"I don't want to be the focus of attention," he said. "If people have a personal problem, let them address me personally."
John Jameson, professor and chair of the history department, said Pino - along with the department - have received numerous threatening e-mails and telephone calls because of the blog.
"There's a concern for the faculty member Dr. Pino," he explained. "Some of the e-mails that have come into the university are threatening bodily harm. The blog itself that professor Adams has written, the last paragraph indicated he should be fired, arrested and taken to an island and stripped of his rights. This part is not getting a whole lot of coverage - that's not exactly an attitude that any sane group would care to advocate."
Jameson said Pino has been in the news before, such as in 2002 when he a wrote a Stater column praising a Palestinian suicide bomber.
But, Jameson said Pino has never had problems with his students.
"There'll be the occasional complaining student, but there doesn't seem to be any real issues here," he explained. "As far as overall effectiveness and teacher evaluations, he's a strong teacher."
Despite the attention he's received, Pino said every American should be able to state their opinions on any subject without feeling as if they'll be punished.
"I think it's important for all voices to be heard in the U.S.," he said. "Protect the rights of people and agree to disagree with me. The people who are upset are not reflecting on this issue but going with a gut reaction."
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Well of course he's a "servant of god and wants peace" NOW ::)
Muslims lie, more than the rest of us...
::) of course you can't believe this Jag because he has the same colour of skin as you...
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Oh, Ok. The guy is only a writer for a Jihadist blog and not the owner. All is forgiven.
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Kent State denies ties to jihadi site
Department head says professor contributed news but isn't creator
By Carol Biliczky
Beacon Journal staff writer
An Internet story on Wednesday identified a Kent State faculty member as the author of a jihadist news service on the Web.
The Drudge Report story accused Julio ``Assad'' Pino of posting ``Global War'' at global-war.bloghi.com.
Pino, 46, a Muslim convert and associate professor of history at KSU, did not return phone calls seeking comment.
His department head, John Jameson, defended him as a good teacher and said the allegations in the story appeared to have been blown out of proportion.
He said Pino told him he provided news stories to the Web site but didn't accept any ownership of it.
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put him on a one-way flight to arghanistan, im sure he'll be happier there.
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Well of course he's a "servant of god and wants peace" NOW ::)
Muslims lie, more than the rest of us...
::) of course you can't believe this Jag because he has the same colour of skin as you...
Actually Nordic, he is a muslim convert, and with a name like Pino, I suspect his skin color is more like yours.
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Actually Nordic, he is a muslim convert, and with a name like Pino, I suspect his skin color is more like yours.
Want a wager on that?
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It's his right to SAY whatever he wants... however, if he DOES something... then we get to hang him... how's that?
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It's his right to SAY whatever he wants... however, if he DOES something... then we get to hang him... how's that?
Moral condemnation might be an idea.
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Moral condemnation might be an idea.
Who am I to condemn the idea of Jihad?
Do I think it's insane? Sure.
Stupid? Definitely.
Lots of things are insane and stupid, but as long as people only talk about them... there is no crime.
Crime requires action... when the action is taken, then and only then, can we take action in return.
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Who am I to condemn the idea of Jihad?
Do I think it's insane? Sure.
Stupid? Definitely.
Lots of things are insane and stupid, but as long as people only talk about them... there is no crime.
Crime requires action... when the action is taken, then and only then, can we take action in return.
Ok, appears someone hasn't learnt from Nazism.
That started as just "talking", and you're very privileged to live in a part of the world where jihad hardly effects you. But those 10 year old kids in Sudan, Somalia, Afghanistan, Indonesia and Malaysia which are slaughtered daily are not.
Yeah you're right, "jihad" is above condemnation.
Leftist thinking like this is what is ruining Europe.
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Ok, appears someone hasn't learnt from Nazism.
That started as just "talking", and you're very privileged to live in a part of the world where jihad hardly effects you. But those 10 year old kids in Sudan, Somalia, Afghanistan, Indonesia and Malaysia which are slaughtered daily are not.
Yeah you're right, "jihad" is above condemnation.
Leftist thinking like this is what is ruining Europe.
No, that's not true... When the Nazi's started rounding people up, THAT's when people should have done something... They let the Nazi's DO things, and didn't stop them.
It's not talk that hurts people.
See, what you are doing is putting thoughts and actions in the same light, and fortunately, they are not.
If this guy talks Jihad all day, I don't care... the second he does something and causes anyone to loose their individual liberties... THEN I take issue with it.
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No, that's not true... When the Nazi's started rounding people up, THAT's when people should have done something... They let the Nazi's DO things, and didn't stop them.
It's not talk that hurts people.
See, what you are doing is putting thoughts and actions in the same light, and fortunately, they are not.
If this guy talks Jihad all day, I don't care... the second he does something and causes anyone to loose their individual liberties... THEN I take issue with it.
So if I stand outside a school shouting "drugs are ok" etc etc... That's ok?
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So if I stand outside a school shouting "drugs are ok" etc etc... That's ok?
It's fine by me... I've already taught my kid that drugs are not good for him and if he takes them and I catch him... he's dead... so sure, have at it...
My kid will be the one kicking you in the balls for being stupid.
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It's fine by me... I've already taught my kid that drugs are not good for him and if he takes them and I catch him... he's dead... so sure, have at it...
My kid will be the one kicking you in the balls for being stupid.
Well, personally, as far as I am concerned he is in a position where his opinions may have effect on students. When I was in college I can tell you nobody was as headstrong as they thought - me included - they were all susceptible to manipulation in one form or another. You can see it in the way they dress, behave etc.
All it requires is a single naive muslim student to take action from this mans words. If this led to this theoretical muslim student killing some people from the seed this "teacher" planted - then was condemnation not worth it?
And if me advertising illegal drugs in a positive light to kids outside a school in your opinion is "ok", then you're so far left it's dangerous.
Don't ever think your kid won't be persuaded by anybody but yourself.
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Well, personally, as far as I am concerned he is in a position where his opinions may have effect on students. When I was in college I can tell you nobody was as headstrong as they thought - me included - they were all susceptible to manipulation in one form or another. You can see it in the way they dress, behave etc.
All it requires is a single naive muslim student to take action from this mans words. If this led to this theoretical muslim student killing some people from the seed this "teacher" planted - then was condemnation not worth it?
And if me advertising illegal drugs in a positive light to kids outside a school in your opinion is "ok", then you're so far left it's dangerous.
Don't ever think your kid won't be persuaded by anybody but yourself.
Left? Why is it Left or Right? WTF?
This isn't about some political agenda.
This is about having faith that I did a good job raising my kid to think for himself, not follow some crowd... I didn't follow a crowd... and even when I did some things that others were doing, I knew a limit... going to the mall hanging out with friends is ok... Killing people is not.
My parents raised a free thinking kid.
If a teacher makes some kid jump up and start killing people because of a "Jihad", then that kid is a fool and their parents should have taught "THEM" better.
I do not beleive that we must protect everyone from themselves... No one points a gun at a kid and says "Go kill this person". It just doesn't work like that...
You're saying we should be directing people how to think is what you're telling me? Isn't that as fascist as anything any Nazi ever did?
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Left? Why is it Left or Right? WTF?
This isn't about some political agenda.
This is about having faith that I did a good job raising my kid to think for himself, not follow some crowd... I didn't follow a crowd... and even when I did some things that others were doing, I knew a limit... going to the mall hanging out with friends is ok... Killing people is not.
My parents raised a free thinking kid.
If a teacher makes some kid jump up and start killing people because of a "Jihad", then that kid is a fool and their parents should have taught "THEM" better.
I do not beleive that we must protect everyone from themselves... No one points a gun at a kid and says "Go kill this person". It just doesn't work like that...
You're saying we should be directing people how to think is what you're telling me? Isn't that as fascist as anything any Nazi ever did?
Wait, that's not I'm saying, outside of an educational establishment it's free game. But there are responsibilities within that establishment. You believe this is not true, and I believe that to be idiotic.
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Wait, that's not I'm saying, outside of an educational establishment it's free game. But there are responsibilities within that establishment. You believe this is not true, and I believe that to be idiotic.
But that is what you're saying... Educational establishments are all about thought aren't they?
If you tell one professor that he can't teach because he might convince a child to Jihad... You have to be for another teacher not teaching because he might convert someone to Christianity if they are very prominent in their church, or that perhaps they believe in Communism or Capitalism or whatever.
Because they are prominent and vocal about their beliefs... they should not be allowed to teach... That's what you're saying.
I believe you're heading down a very slippery slope if you start telling people what they are allowed to do in regards to educating because of their religious beliefs.
Or really, you're just saying it because it's "Jihad" and it's "Muslim" and because it teaches violence, then we should not allow those teachers who believe it to teach... Then we should not allow Football, Hockey, or any other violent sport because it teaches violence.
Institutions of higher learning are SUPPOSED to expose young adults to numerous things... If by the age of 18, a child doesn't realize that killing is wrong, they were screwed long before they met this professor.
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Right, so I should be allowed to make a white power website advocating the murder of black people, and still be able to teach at an educational establishment?
This isn't going far between us now, it's a roundabout, we need someone else's input.
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Right, so I should be allowed to make a white power website advocating the murder of black people, and still be able to teach at an educational establishment?
This isn't going far between us now, it's a roundabout, we need someone else's input.
In my opinion you can make a website about whatever you want... People do it all the time... There's a million white power websites out there and YES some of them do teach.
If my son is in a professor's class and the professor starts going on about white power blah blah blah... then of course I would expect my son to either suck it up and deal with it, or drop that class... I certainly don't expect my son to start "lynching" people because of their color.
He does not know bigotry of any form... and I have taught him how stupid it is.
Again, I don't think the professor has any pull on anyone's personal life.
There's an old saying... "No one can make anyone do anything they don't want to do."
I believe that whole heartedly... If someone starts offing Christians because of a Jihad, or black people because some dipshit said "white power" a lot, then those people wanted to do it anyway and just wanted an excuse.
I don't believe in condemning people for thought... Watch them... Carefully, but until they do something, you are just taking away their freedom, and that is wrong.
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All idealistic points.
And I don't believe with "No one can make anyone do anything they don't want to do."
Some naive and weak minding individuals ultimately do make their own decisions thru the manipulation of others, if you would have asked them a year prior they would have rejected the claims, only to be molded by other people. As does the islamic ideology.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ideology
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All idealistic points.
And I don't believe with "No one can make anyone do anything they don't want to do."
Some naive and weak minding individuals ultimately do make their own decisions thru the manipulation of others, if you would have asked them a year prior they would have rejected the claims, only to be molded by other people. As does the islamic ideology.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ideology
Freedom is an idealistic idea isn't it?
I suppose I'm just an idealistic person then... I believe in peoples rights.
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Well counter evidence against your point of "people only do what they want to do" and in favour of my "people can be changed by an external force to believe in something they wouldn't have" is nazism in Germany.
Do you believe the majority of people in Germany hated Jews and Gypsies prior to being manipulated by the Nazi regime?
Now you're trying to sound poetic: "I suppose I'm just an idealistic person then... I believe in peoples rights."
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Well counter evidence against your point of "people only do what they want to do" and in favour of my "people can be changed by an external force to believe in something they wouldn't have" is nazism in Germany.
Do you believe the majority of people in Germany hated Jews and Gypsies prior to being manipulated by the Nazi regime?
Now you're trying to sound poetic: "I suppose I'm just an idealistic person then... I believe in peoples rights."
Not trying to sound poetic at all... that is just what I believe.
I believe that the people in Germany were looking for a scapegoat for their problems at the time... they didn't care who it was... Hitler said Jews.
The basic principle is the same... The German populace at the time WANTED to blame their problems on someone... which really goes in line with what I'm saying.
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So, little boys aged 8 etc model "aryans" where looking for a scapegoat?
INTERESTING! :o
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So, little boys aged 8 etc model "aryans" where looking for a scapegoat?
INTERESTING! :o
Man, no 8 year old gave a shit... we're talking about ADULTS.
He is a professor, teaching ADULTS... you sure are good at the spin... no, wait... you're not.
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Man, no 8 year old gave a shit... we're talking about ADULTS.
He is a professor, teaching ADULTS... you sure are good at the spin... no, wait... you're not.
I'm not gonna agree that all college students are "adults".
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I'm not gonna agree that all college students are "adults".
Funny... 99% can vote, and in many countries drink and fight in wars, and they pay taxes.... I'd say they are adults.
Apparently you have some different qualification for the term.
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Funny... 99% can vote, and in many countries drink and fight in wars, and they pay taxes.... I'd say they are adults.
I wouldn't.
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I'm kinda caught up on this one. I mean he does have the right to express his views, but others have the right to be displeased. Obviously, if he's teaching that jihad garbage in class then he needs to go.
I'm an advocate for palestinian rights myself, but I don't go about praising terrorists and suicide bombers. This professor seems extreme.
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I'm kinda caught up on this one. I mean he does have the right to express his views, but others have the right to be displeased. Obviously, if he's teaching that jihad garbage in class then he needs to go.
I'm an advocate for palestinian rights myself, but I don't go about praising terrorists and suicide bombers. This professor seems extreme.
I believe the point was that he was not teaching it in his classroom, but was advocating it outside in his personal life.