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I'll start lightly with some obvious stuff:
1. Started an unnecessary war based on faulty intelligence
2. Port authority debacle
3. Due to his decision to go to war caused a 400 billion debt
4. Poor handling of Katrina
5. Let the bulk of Al Queda slip out of our hands in tora bora
6. Embroiled us in a quadmire in Iraq
7. Cause members of his own party to distance themselves from him
from 240:
8. He was alerted there were 3 hijacked planes BEFORE he walked into that classroom (FAA testimony and phone records).
9. He told reporters "That's one bad pilot", meaning one of two things. Either he didn't make the connection that one of the hijacked planes heading for NYC was the plane that hit, which most 2nd graders would have connected, and his team certainly should have. or, he lied.
Another one:
10. not properly protecting airports around the country
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I'll start lightly with some obvious stuff:
1. Started an unnecessary war based on faulty intelligence
2. Port authority debacle
3. Due to his decision to go to war caused a 400 billion debt
4. Poor handling of Katrina
5. Let the bulk of Al Queda slip out of our hands in tora bora
6. Embroiled us in a quadmire in Iraq
7. Cause members of his own party to distance themselves from him
Oh quit trying to pad your list. Nos. 1, 3, 6, and 7 are redundant. :D
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I'd list more, but I have to go to work Monday morning.
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Oh quit trying to pad your list. Nos. 1, 3, 6, and 7 are redundant. :D
no they are not because he could have started a war based on faulty intelligence and ended in a way that didn't cause 3,6, & 7
Or he coould have done 1 and 3 right but not 6 and 7
Or he could have done 1,3, and 6 right and 7 might have never happened
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no they are not because he could have started a war based on faulty intelligence and ended in a way that didn't cause 3,6, & 7
Or he coould have done 1 and 3 right but not 6 and 7
Or he could have done 1,3, and 6 right and 7 might have never happened
They're all related and all arise out of his decision to go to war. Without 1, you don't have 3, 6, and 7.
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They're all related and all arise out of his decision to go to war. Without 1, you don't have 3, 6, and 7.
But i don;t see going to war, even it being successful, as something he did that was good.
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He was alerted there were 3 hijacked planes BEFORE he walked into that classroom (FAA testimony and phone records).
He told reporters "That's one bad pilot", meaning one of two things. Either he didn't make the connection that one of the hijacked planes heading for NYC was the plane that hit, which most 2nd graders would have connected, and his team certainly should have. or, he lied.
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But i don;t see going to war, even it being successful, as something he did that was good.
for long term american interests it was good.
we're putting a straw in iraqi oil. we'll suck that bitch dry to the tune of 50 trillion in saleable oil they are sitting on.
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But i don;t see going to war, even it being successful, as something he did that was good.
I understand. You think going to war was a "bad thing," and without the war (no. 1) there is war debt (no. 3), Iraq quagmire (no. 6), or alienation of his party members (no. 7).
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I understand. You think going to war was a "bad thing," and without the war (no. 1) there is war debt (no. 3), Iraq quagmire (no. 6), or alienation of his party members (no. 7).
and conversely he could have gone to war and avoided 1 or 2 of those things. so maybe it's 3 things not 4
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Warchief Bush kicked my puppy and stole my lollypop. I wish pestilence and famine against him and his family.
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Warchief Bush kicked my puppy and stole my lollypop. I wish pestilence and famine against him and his family.
You know what he ended up doing with the lolly pop right?
Would his family include Condalisa? :P
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Warchief Bush kicked my puppy and stole my lollypop. I wish pestilence and famine against him and his family.
He cut my taxes. The dirty dog.
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You know what he ended up doing with the lolly pop right?
Would his family include Condalisa? :P
No and no.
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He cut my taxes. The dirty dog.
And when is our taxes going to have to be raised to pay off this debt?
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He cut my taxes. The dirty dog.
He also raised the deficit and the debt... Taxes may be bad, but eventually, someone's gotta pay that debt.
Would you rather it be your great great great great grandkids? It's not their fault.
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He cut & ran before the pretzel had time to do the job. :P
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He cut & ran before the pretzel had time to do the job. :P
I'm still upset with that pretzel to this day... Although, what if Cheney was the "man".
AAAAAAaaahhhhh!!!!!
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I'll start lightly with some obvious stuff:
1. Started an unnecessary war based on faulty intelligence
2. Port authority debacle
3. Due to his decision to go to war caused a 400 billion debt
4. Poor handling of Katrina
5. Let the bulk of Al Queda slip out of our hands in tora bora
6. Embroiled us in a quadmire in Iraq
7. Cause members of his own party to distance themselves from him
10. not properly protecting airports around the country
1.faulty intelligence by the cia created under clinton,,but yes a war was created over faulty intelligence
4.the new orleans government was in charge- something like 10,000 city and school buses wernt used to transport anyone,,local government didnt have a plan for such a disaster that should have been expected.. cant blame bush for everything
5. bush isnt a general, he declairs war he doesnt fight in it
7. i agree-but every war time president experiences this
10. i will be starting with the d of homeland sec. in april -many things have been planned and the department is growing huge-tsa is growing,check your newspaper-career bulder.com,,guarantee theyre hiring in your town right now, its all they can do at this point
the rest are all the same
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Warchief Bush is more accustomed to eating lead and sulphur. As is the crazed Zionist regime, it is fitting that a glorious Christian war leader would have troubles digesting such cursed food.
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4.the new orleans government was in charge- something like 10,000 city and school buses wernt used to transport anyone,,local government didnt have a plan for such a disaster that should have been expected.. cant blame bush for everything
No sir, FEMA was in charge of it. Do you know what F.E.M.A. stands for?
I'll give you a hint. The F is FEDERAL.
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Warchief Bush is more accustomed to eating lead and sulphur. As is the crazed Zionist regime, it is fitting that a glorious Christian war leader would have troubles digesting such cursed food.
The only lead in Bush is right between his ears, ...and he doesn't eat the sulphur, ...it comes out his ass.
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5. bush isnt a general, he declairs war he doesnt fight in it
He CHOOSES generals and secretaries.
He is responsible to fire them when they do not perform.
Rumsfeld didn't perform for 4 years and kept his job. Many argue he should have been forced to resign after dropping the ball on 9/11.
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The only lead in Bush is right between his ears, ...and he doesn't eat the sulphur, ...it comes out his ass.
I thoroughly enjoy it when members such as your good self respond with an air of seriousness to an evidently mocking post. Do go on.
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1.faulty intelligence by the cia created under clinton,,but yes a war was created over faulty intelligence
You mean he used intelligence that was 2+ years old as a bases for starting a war?
That moron should be committed then!
HAHHAHAHAHAHAH, Kh, think it through next time.
4.the new orleans government was in charge- something like 10,000 city and school buses wernt used to transport anyone,,local government didnt have a plan for such a disaster that should have been expected.. cant blame bush for everything
And a year later people are still homeless or their homes are still unlivable? But we can spend 400 billion getting ourselves killed?
5. bush isnt a general, he declairs war he doesnt fight in it
He's the commander and chief, he ok'd the plan. the buck stops with him. no one else.
7. i agree-but every war time president experiences this
really? can you gives examples?
10. i will be starting with the d of homeland sec. in april -many things have been planned and the department is growing huge-tsa is growing,check your newspaper-career bulder.com,,guarantee theyre hiring in your town right now, its all they can do at this point
You mean they can't adequately protect airports in this country but they can spend 400 billion in a no-win situation?
Maybe the terrorist threat isn't what we are being led to believe it is.
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No sir, FEMA was in charge of it. Do you know what F.E.M.A. stands for?
I'll give you a hint. The F is FEDERAL.
new orleans didnt have a plan for them,, how old is fema? wasnt working properly and it was the first time they had to deal with a big situation. unfortunately they had to learn a lesson- but the fact remains the local government didnt do enough.
my house in upstate ny was hit with 120'' of snow a few weeks ago-but my local government had a plan to deal with the snow-federal agencys and the guard knew what to do to get rid of the snow before they got there. sorry,,but new orleans was warned if a hurricane came they would be fucked,they relied on the levees, but instead of having a plan they let people rot and put the rest in the super dome- thats irresponsible government in my mind
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Wait a second!
wasn't the FEMA director a horse trainer?
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new orleans didnt have a plan for them,, how old is fema? wasnt working properly and it was the first time they had to deal with a big situation. unfortunately they had to learn a lesson- but the fact remains the local government didnt do enough.
FEMA was founded in 1979. ouch.
FEMA handled Three Mile island. Ouch again.
Owned, dude.
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Was he a horse whisperer? ::)
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You mean he used intelligence that was 2+ years old as a bases for starting a war?
That moron should be committed then!
HAHHAHAHAHAHAH, Kh, think it through next time.
And a year later people are still homeless or their homes are still unlivable? But we can spend 400 billion getting ourselves killed?
He's the commander and chief, he ok'd the plan. the buck stops with him. no one else.
really? can you gives examples?
You mean they can't adequately protect airports in this country but they can spend 400 billion in a no-win situation?
Maybe the terrorist threat isn't what we are being led to believe it is.
info was 2 years old? every intelligence agency in the world thought there were wmds.. blair-russia- our own cia thought so,, remeber what made the finall decision was when saddam kicked out the weapons inspectors
abraham lincoln was the most hated person in america at one point- how many people fought against slavery, a hell of a lot less then what was on the other side- who turned out to be right.. the 'popular' actions and decisions arnt always the right ones
can they protect out airports? well when was the last plane hijacked? shit, last flight i was on had an air marshall
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FEMA was founded in 1979. ouch.
FEMA handled Three Mile island. Ouch again.
Owned, dude.
owned? seriously your what 30 years old? from what i understand fema was put on the back burner for a while and was hardly ever used. at least they've made changes since then.. usually what happens with disasters- we learn, you can look at what they did, and you can look at what they've done
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info was 2 years old? every intelligence agency in the world thought there were wmds.. blair-russia- our own cia thought so,, remeber what made the finall decision was when saddam kicked out the weapons inspectors
did you or did you not just blame clinton for the faulty intelligence?
1.faulty intelligence by the cia created under clinton,,but yes a war was created over faulty intelligence
nice round at double talk ;)
can they protect out airports? well when was the last plane hijacked? shit, last flight i was on had an air marshall
I can drive a pick up into the Airport sheraton in portland, OR. and i'll be 300 yards or so from where the planes are taxing down the runway. All i do is mount a .50 cal machine gun on the truck and i can do major damage to a plane full of fuel and passengers.
So your US Marshall on your flight can't do shit about it!
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And when is our taxes going to have to be raised to pay off this debt?
Contrary to what some liberals say, we don't have to raise taxes to pay off debt. Our outstanding governor in Hawaii balanced the budget without raising taxes.
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did you or did you not just blame clinton for the faulty intelligence?
nice round at double talk ;)
I can drive a pick up into the Airport sheraton in portland, OR. and i'll be 300 yards or so from where the planes are taxing down the runway. All i do is mount a .50 cal machine gun on the truck and i can do major damage to a plane full of fuel and passengers.
So your US Marshall on your flight can't do shit about it!
the cia at the time was clintons boys- i didnt blame anyone, i was taking the blame off bush-whom you blame for every possible thing
you can be shot at at an airport, the mall. school.. do you expect armed guards to cover every square inch of america?
what were working on is getting rid of the psychos that would do such a thing.. and god forbid we investigate a person that makes a threat or conducts suspicious activity.
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owned? seriously your what 30 years old? from what i understand fema was put on the back burner for a while and was hardly ever used. at least they've made changes since then.. usually what happens with disasters- we learn, you can look at what they did, and you can look at what they've done
you made two outright wrong statements.
FEMA has been around for almost 4 decades now and deals with disasters big and small.
To say they're new and have no experience - Did you just make that up, or learn it wrong?
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Contrary to what some liberals say, we don't have to raise taxes to pay off debt. Our outstanding governor in Hawaii balanced the budget without raising taxes.
I for one, agree with that premise. But to reform the spending of the federal government to pay off debt? It's possible of course, but will it ever happen? Never.
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He also raised the deficit and the debt... Taxes may be bad, but eventually, someone's gotta pay that debt.
Would you rather it be your great great great great grandkids? It's not their fault.
I don't view allowing people to keep more of their own money as creating debt. The government should always be trying to take as little of your money as possible. And I don't assume that Bush cutting my taxes created our debt, which existed long before he took office, or created our budget deficit. It's up to the people we put in office to figure out a way to run the government without raping the taxpayers. It can be done.
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U.S. NATIONAL DEBT CLOCK
The Outstanding Public Debt as of 01 Mar 2007 at 03:59:06 AM GMT is:
$ 8 , 7 7 6 , 3 2 0 , 4 4 5 , 5 8 8 . 1 9
The estimated population of the United States is 301,074,282
so each citizen's share of this debt is $29,150.02.
The National Debt has continued to increase an average of
$1.77 billion per day since September 29, 2006!
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you made two outright wrong statements.
FEMA has been around for almost 4 decades now and deals with disasters big and small.
To say they're new and have no experience - Did you just make that up, or learn it wrong?
read my post,, i said how long has fema been around? thats a question mark... from what i know fema was hardly used. they could have been around since the 1800's for all i care but it was still pretty much worthless
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I for one, agree with that premise. But to reform the spending of the federal government to pay off debt? It's possible of course, but will it ever happen? Never.
Depends on who we put in office. John Edwards has already said he's going to raise taxes. I suspect Hillary and Obama would do the same. Democrats in Congress never met a tax increase they didn't like.
You're probably right. :-\
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the cia at the time was clintons boys- i didnt blame anyone, i was taking the blame off bush-whom you blame for every possible thing
Oh? really? do you really think he had only one intelligence assessment he looked at? He made a bad decision. period. it no one but his fault.
And i stubbed my toe yesterday real bad. that's his fault to. ::)
I put blame where blame is due. HE FUCKED UP. period.
you can be shot at at an airport, the mall. school.. do you expect armed guards to cover every square inch of america?
what were working on is getting rid of the psychos that would do such a thing.. and god forbid we investigate a person that makes a threat or conducts suspicious activity.
taking a .50 cal and shooting a fueled up plane full of passengers at and airport would be a terrorist ACT that can be easily done, but hasn't. why?
it's there for any terrorist to do with little planning and expense.
BUSH is not do a good job protecting us or the threat isn't as bad as he says.
which is it?
BTW and reinforced chain link fence with ditch and check points/guard houses leading into the airport area would take of this.
minimal cost.
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Depends on who we put in office. John Edwards has already said he's going to raise taxes. I suspect Hillary and Obama would do the same. Democrats in Congress never met a tax increase they didn't like.
You're probably right. :-\
even with republicans in office and in control of both houses for 6 years we haven't got even close. to do this BB the entire system would have to be over hauled. it will never happen. taxes will go up and the blame will go to the dems, but it both parties who are responsible and bush part is 400 billion
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even with republicans in office and in control of both houses for 6 years we haven't got even close. to do this BB the entire system would have to be over hauled. it will never happen. taxes will go up and the blame will go to the dems, but it both parties who are responsible and bush part is 400 billion
I reluctantly agree. Not because it cannot be done, but because we will not have the right people in office to make it happen. Our governor oversaw a $1 billion turnaround in four years with a veto-proof Democrat majority in both houses. Wyoming apparently balances their budget without a state income tax and without gouging the people. It can be done. But I agree with you that it probably will not be.
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I reluctantly agree. Not because it cannot be done, but because we will not have the right people in office to make it happen. Our governor oversaw a $1 billion turnaround in four years with a veto-proof Democrat majority in both houses. Wyoming apparently balances their budget without a state income tax and without gouging the people. It can be done. But I agree with you that it probably will not be.
yes, it can be done. but the good o'le boys club in Washington will never allow it. :(
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read my post,, i said how long has fema been around? thats a question mark...
For you it might be a question mark.
For the rest of us, it's just another piece of history:
In 1979, President Jimmy Carter, at the prompting of the National Governors Association, signed Executive Order 12148 which put a new agency, FEMA, in charge of coordinating all disaster relief efforts at the federal level.
Now, are there any other areas where you have 'question marks'?
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For you it might be a question mark.
For the rest of us, it's just another piece of history:
In 1979, President Jimmy Carter, at the prompting of the National Governors Association, signed Executive Order 12148 which put a new agency, FEMA, in charge of coordinating all disaster relief efforts at the federal level.
Now, are there any other areas where you have 'question marks'?
if i have any more questions, your my guy
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I don't view allowing people to keep more of their own money as creating debt. The government should always be trying to take as little of your money as possible. And I don't assume that Bush cutting my taxes created our debt, which existed long before he took office, or created our budget deficit. It's up to the people we put in office to figure out a way to run the government without raping the taxpayers. It can be done.
Well, before Bush took office, we had debt, but we were paying it down. His cutting taxes must have had some effect on the fact that we stopped paying off the debt and started having more... It's not the only reason of course... A war had a lot to do with it (an unnecessary one at that).
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11. not sent enough jihadists to meet Allah
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did you or did you not just blame clinton for the faulty intelligence?
nice round at double talk ;)
I can drive a pick up into the Airport sheraton in portland, OR. and i'll be 300 yards or so from where the planes are taxing down the runway. All i do is mount a .50 cal machine gun on the truck and i can do major damage to a plane full of fuel and passengers.
So your US Marshall on your flight can't do shit about it!
All people do is bitch about airport security!!! Say it is to intrusive already, I agree we could do more but we won't because of public sentiment.
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All people do is bitch about airport security!!! Say it is to intrusive already, I agree we could do more but we won't because of public sentiment.
This is obvious stuff, MM, things that wouldn't take much. It's not about doing more and their being a problem with it, it's about being wide open and making it easy for anyone to attack us.
It's not being done properly and that's a fact. undeniable. And the person in charge isn't making sure of it.
Most people i know that travel including myself who travels 50k to 100k per year FFM, they don;t mind.
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This is obvious stuff, MM, things that wouldn't take much. It's not about doing more and their being a problem with it, it's about being wide open and making it easy for anyone to attack us.
It's not being done properly and that's a fact. undeniable. And the person in charge isn't making sure of it.
Most people i know that travel including myself who travels 50k to 100k per year FFM, they don;t mind.
Agreed, I don't mind taking my shoes off etc, and on military base you can't get within 100ft of critical buildings so I am all for it, but seriously, you blame Bush?
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Leaving our boarders wide open.
Not supporting our system of Checks and Balances.
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* Not funding the tax cuts (Tax cuts could be a good idea, but only if you fund it in the budget by cutting down spending of something else)
* A consistently unbalanced budget.
* Increasing military spending by over 50 %.
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Leaving our boarders wide open.
Not supporting our system of Checks and Balances.
1. opinion, did you know there are several hundred Air Force members on the border constructing a fence? Did you know it has taken almost 2 years to coordinate that? Maybe the Dems got it started since january
2. Pure opinion
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1. opinion, did you know there are several hundred Air Force members on the border constructing a fence? Did you know it has taken almost 2 years to coordinate that? Maybe the Dems got it started since january
I'd like to hear more about that. Can you post a link or something? We have them crossing our boarder everyday illegally. That seems like a National Security Crisis to me, why hasn't more been done? The Bush Administration tried to label them as "Undocumented Workers", and he opposes the Minute Men.
Were spending $404,489,260,000+++ in the Middle East when a terrorist can walk right in our Country. We should be spending that money where it would have some effect on our Security. Not throwing it away in the Middle East.
2. Pure opinion
Nope, wiretapping without court approval is one example of him pissing on our system of government.
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1. opinion, did you know there are several hundred Air Force members on the border constructing a fence? Did you know it has taken almost 2 years to coordinate that? Maybe the Dems got it started since january
bush sat on his thumbs for 4 years before starting a fence which has taken 2 years to GET STARTED?
Dude, we've toppled nations in 2 weeks.
We're talking about a fucking fence here.
2 years to "coordinate" Stop being gullible. They're not trying.
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Agreed, I don't mind taking my shoes off etc, and on military base you can't get within 100ft of critical buildings so I am all for it, but seriously, you blame Bush?
If we don't ever get attacked who's gonna get that blame (credit)?
BUSH, has to make sure it's done right. He's not. He has to appoint competent people who will get the job done, not appoint people who are part of someone else's political agenda........ like the horse trainer who was in charge of FEMA.
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bush sat on his thumbs for 4 years before starting a fence which has taken 2 years to GET STARTED?
Dude, we've toppled nations in 2 weeks.
We're talking about a fucking fence here.
2 years to "coordinate" Stop being gullible. They're not trying.
I KNOW 2 years because I have seen the process unfold FIRSTHAND!! A REDHORSE unit is down there working on it. I wish the military ran smoother but it just doesn't
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I KNOW 2 years because I have seen the process unfold FIRSTHAND!! A REDHORSE unit is down there working on it. I wish the military ran smoother but it just doesn't
One unit huh? How many miles have they put up in two years?
"The military doesn't run smoother" is a load of shit. When it matters - when it's a matter of nat'l security - they get shit done overnight. Border security isn't a priority of this administratino, period.
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One unit huh? How many miles have they put up in two years?
"The military doesn't run smoother" is a load of shit. When it matters - when it's a matter of nat'l security - they get shit done overnight. Border security isn't a priority of this administratino, period.
You probably don't know much about REDHORSE, you will see it isn't just "one unit" Anyway, they didn't start 2 years ago, they got the tasking and the coordination process started...oh it's over your head anyway. Bush's fault, yada yada yada
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You probably don't know much about REDHORSE, you will see it isn't just "one unit" Anyway, they didn't start 2 years ago, they got the tasking and the coordination process started...oh it's over your head anyway. Bush's fault, yada yada yada
how many miles of border fence did they build in 2 years?
We put in 14 permanent military bases in a hostile Iraq in 4 years, but we can't get a fence built on our OWN CITIES? Come on dude. Stop defending it as incompetence. If they wanted it built, it would already be built.
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how many miles of border fence did they build in 2 years?
We put in 14 permanent military bases in a hostile Iraq in 4 years, but we can't get a fence built on our OWN CITIES? Come on dude. Stop defending it as incompetence. If they wanted it built, it would already be built.
We do not have 14 permanent bases in Iraq. We have tent cities. We have thousands of tents on stand by, thousands more trained to put them up. When a project such as the fence comes around, we don't have miles of material stockpiled to build a fence. So we have to put out bids (because law says we can't spend more than $2500 without bids...fact) we have to buy special equipment to support the project, again bids...fact.... then we have to engineer the fence, where is will run etc.... ( I'm guessing you haven't done much in construction bidding/planning.) this all takes time. Again they haven't been on the job more than a few months.
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militarymuscle69 would you agree that people coming in our Country without our knowledge is a big threat?
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militarymuscle69 would you agree that people coming in our Country without our knowledge is a big threat?
Oh fuck yeah, dude I am as dissapointed in the border as anyone. But the work is starting and it began with the Bush administration .
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Oh fuck yeah, dude I am as dissapointed in the border as anyone. But the work is starting and it began with the Bush administration .
This will be an interesting debate.
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This will be an interesting debate.
How is it debatable? 1. Work is being done 2. it was proposed 2 years ago 3. Bush administration in charge... Unlike your posts all 3 are factual.
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How is it debatable? 1. Work is being done 2. it was proposed 2 years ago 3. Bush administration in charge... Unlike your posts all 3 are factual.
Oh really?
BUSH did not start a war that has got us 400 billion in debt?
BUSH did not use faulty intelligence as a reason to go to war?
BUSH did not appoint a fucking a horse trainer to head FEMA?
BUSH did not ok a plan that used too few troops results in a break down in stability following a brilliant invasion?
BUSH did not screw up the port authority deal?
AND ARE THE FUCKING AIRPORTS SECURE OR NOT?
I've tried to take it easy on you for a while
BUT WHAT FUCKING PLANET ARE YOU LIVING ON ?
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How is it debatable? 1. Work is being done 2. it was proposed 2 years ago 3. Bush administration in charge... Unlike your posts all 3 are factual.
Work is being done...my fucking ass! Re-read 240 post. All it was, was political titty sucking. If they wanted a fence it would have been up by now.
But you are too glazed over by BUSH to see that aren't you?
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Oh really?
BUSH did not start a war that has got us 400 billion in debt?
BUSH did not use faulty intelligence as a reason to go to war?
BUSH did not appoint a fucking a horse trainer to head FEMA?
BUSH did not ok a plan that used too few troops results in a break down in stability following a brilliant invasion?
BUSH did not screw up the port authority deal?
AND ARE THE FUCKING AIRPORTS SECURE OR NOT?
I've tried to take it easy on you for a while
BUT WHAT FUCKING PLANET ARE YOU LIVING ON ?
Duche bag, we ren't talking about all the shit you just mentioned. We talked about the fence, of which all 3 of my points are facts. I have also agreed that the airports are not secure. Quit skim reading
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Duche bag, we ren't talking about all the shit you just mentioned. We talked about the fence, of which all 3 of my points are facts. I have also agreed that the airports are not secure. Quit skim reading
And as always everyinch of your post is opinion......zero fact. Keep up the good work
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Oh fuck yeah, dude I am as dissapointed in the border as anyone. But the work is starting and it began with the Bush administration .
Good, but you don't think it could be sealed by the National Guard in at least a few days if Bush really cared?
I just can't believe we have soldiers dying in Iraq while are border is opened.
Thats like a fucking bank leaving its front door and vault opened while all the security is busy tracking down the bank robbers a few blocks away.
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And as always everyinch of your post is opinion......zero fact. Keep up the good work
yeah? show me.......... otherwise you're just more neo-con blabber
Duche bag, we ren't talking about all the shit you just mentioned. We talked about the fence, of which all 3 of my points are facts. I have also agreed that the airports are not secure. Quit skim reading
You didn't post this:
How is it debatable? 1. Work is being done 2. it was proposed 2 years ago 3. Bush administration in charge... Unlike your posts all 3 are factual.
Which post did i say BUSH's immigration stuff was a bad thing? And when did you and i talk about the fence? It hasn;t been built yet! are you denying that too?
drone.
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Good, but you don't think it could be sealed by the National Guard in at least a few days if Bush really cared?
I just can't believe we have soldiers dying in Iraq while are border is opened.
Thats like a fucking bank leaving its front door and vault opened while all the security is busy tracking down the bank robbers a few blocks away.
Don;t go too far BEN, he'll accuse you making shit up and covering it with opinion.
What a drone.
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Don;t go too far BEN, he'll accuse you making shit up and covering it with opinion.
What a drone.
LoL I think I did with the bank analogy. "What bank? Theres no bank!!! Quit making stuff up lib!!!" ;D
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Good, but you don't think it could be sealed by the National Guard in at least a few days if Bush really cared?
I just can't believe we have soldiers dying in Iraq while are border is opened.
Thats like a fucking bank leaving its front door and vault opened while all the security is busy tracking down the bank robbers a few blocks away.
Oh contrare mon frare! Last summer my softball team got seperated because all of the Reservists went to the border to work security. The only problem was they were only issued radios and the law stated that the border patrol agents were the only ones allowed to detain anyone. There were literally instances where illegals were allowed to walk by because the military hands were tied and the BPA were busy. Whose fault that is? I'm not sure
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Don;t go too far BEN, he'll accuse you making shit up and covering it with opinion.
What a drone.
Ok fag look here, I said work was being done on the border and it was being done by Bush, You quoted that and said this should ba a good debate. I said all 3 things in my post were fact, you come back with a list that has nothing to do with the fence subject. You are an idiot
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Oh contrare mon frare! Last summer my softball team got seperated because all of the Reservists went to the border to work security. The only problem was they were only issued radios and the law stated that the border patrol agents were the only ones allowed to detain anyone. There were literally instances where illegals were allowed to walk by because the military hands were tied and the BPA were busy. Whose fault that is? I'm not sure
answer the dam question: why can we build 14 permanent bases in 4 years and we can't get a fence built in 2?
Maybe because BUSH's push on this immigration thing is a bunch of political BULL SHIT?
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yeah? show me.......... otherwise you're just more neo-con blabber
You didn't post this:
Which post did i say BUSH's immigration stuff was a bad thing? And when did you and i talk about the fence? It hasn;t been built yet! are you denying that too?
drone.
BUSH did not start a war that has got us 400 billion in debt?
the democrats had just as big a hand in starting it
BUSH did not use faulty intelligence as a reason to go to war?
democrats used the same intelligence to give bush the ok
BUSH did not appoint a fucking a horse trainer to head FEMA?
who cares what brown did before heading fema
BUSH did not ok a plan that used too few troops results in a break down in stability following a brilliant invasion?
purely your opinion
BUSH did not screw up the port authority deal?
How did he screw that up, UAE is our friend
AND ARE THE FUCKING AIRPORTS SECURE OR NOT?
I told you they weren't (we share an opinion)
Show me any FACT there
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Ok fag look here, I said work was being done on the border and it was being done by Bush, You quoted that and said this should ba a good debate. I said all 3 things in my post were fact, you come back with a list that has nothing to do with the fence subject. You are an idiot
No, you an idiot, because you think those facts are opinions. It helps ease the ugliness of unnecessary deaths doesn't it?
I said it should be a good debate because Beserker has a different take on it because he's involved in the illegal immigration problem personally. Something you see only in the glazing of your conservative donuts.
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answer the dam question: why can we build 14 permanent bases in 4 years and we can't get a fence built in 2?
Maybe because BUSH's push on this immigration thing is a bunch of political BULL SHIT?
ALREADY ANSWERED you fag skim reader. There are ZERO permanent bases in Iraq in 4 years. All tent cities. Just check my reply to 240 for the rest of this answer
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No, you an idiot, because you think those facts are opinions. It helps ease the ugliness of unnecessary deaths doesn't it?
I said it should be a good debate because Beserker has a different take on it because he's involved in the illegal immigration problem personally. Something you see only in the glazing of your conservative donuts.
and the personal involvement in the fence construction project....
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BUSH did not start a war that has got us 400 billion in debt?
the democrats had just as big a hand in starting it
BUSH did not use faulty intelligence as a reason to go to war?
democrats used the same intelligence to give bush the ok
BUSH did not appoint a fucking a horse trainer to head FEMA?
who cares what brown did before heading fema
BUSH did not ok a plan that used too few troops results in a break down in stability following a brilliant invasion?
purely your opinion
BUSH did not screw up the port authority deal?
How did he screw that up, UAE is our friend
AND ARE THE FUCKING AIRPORTS SECURE OR NOT?
I told you they weren't (we share an opinion)
Show me any FACT there
Who was in charge dumb ass? The dems or BUSH?
You are pathetic. You are worse than a 8 year old.
And who cares what Brown did before FEMA? OMFG! you are priceless! so i guess you'd have no problem having a hamburger flipper perform brain surgery on you?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
BUSH did ok the plan. IS rumsfield the COC? yes or no?
Geez what a dork............... deflecting blame.
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and the personal involvement in the fence construction project....
How about you ask him.
Oh wait that's not your style, you like to accuse then deflect blame
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Who was in charge dumb ass? The dems or BUSH?
You are pathetic. You are worse than a 8 year old.
And who cares what Brown did before FEMA? OMFG! you are priceless! so i guess you'd have no problem having a hamburger flipper perform brain surgery on you?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
BUSH did ok the plan. IS rumsfield the COC? yes or no?
Geez what a dork............... deflecting blame.
Bush makes all the decisions? Like the dems had no part. And you don't think anyone that ever worked at McDonalds has become a brain surgeon?
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How about you ask him.
Oh wait that's not your style, you like to accuse then deflect blame
Ask him what? I am the one with the personal experience planning for the fence! If you would read just one post you would be so much better off.
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ALREADY ANSWERED you fag skim reader. There are ZERO permanent bases in Iraq in 4 years. All tent cities. Just check my reply to 240 for the rest of this answer
Hey, ass munch, doesn't matter what they are: Are you trying to tell me a fence couldn't have been built in 2 years?
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Hey, ass munch, doesn't matter what they are: Are you trying to tell me a fence couldn't have been built in 2 years?
Again I already explained the process to 240. Try reading
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Bush makes all the decisions? Like the dems had no part. And you don't think anyone that ever worked at McDonalds has become a brain surgeon?
If BUSH didn;t push the war would congress have did all by them selves?
Get real.
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Again I already explained the process to 240. Try reading
You already explained it like spin doctor. you know it can be build in less than 2 IF the intention was to really do it. But go ahead a explain it away. It's just a bunch of BS excuses and you know it, but go ahead and hold true to your party, no matter how they screw up and we all get to pay for it.
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Bush entered office in 2001. 9/11 happened in 2001. We realized danger of terrorists in 2001.
WHy did Bush wait 4 years to START a fence?
Was every program started in that 4 year period more important than a fence? Or did Bush prioritize poorly?
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Bush makes all the decisions? Like the dems had no part. And you don't think anyone that ever worked at McDonalds has become a brain surgeon?
Of course MM, but from McDonalds to BRain Surgeon without training, work experience and schooling?
This fucking idiot freaked out dropped the ball and ran away like a wimp.
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Bush entered office in 2001. 9/11 happened in 2001. We realized danger of terrorists in 2001.
WHy did Bush wait 4 years to START a fence?
Was every program started in that 4 year period more important than a fence? Or did Bush prioritize poorly?
Because BUSH is a FUCKING IDIOT and what's worse is the IDIOTS who defend him.
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Because BUSH is a FUCKING IDIOT and what's worse is the IDIOTS who defend him.
WHat saddens me are those people who defend things that they know are wrong.
No party is perfect. If you cannot admit when your party drops the ball, then no one is going to think you have any integrity when it comes to the good things they do. If you defend Bush's ignoring the border for 4 years, nobody will give you any credibility when you talk about something else he's done good - even if it IS good.
Bush has done a great deal to make the US stronger energy-wise. I can admit that. Bush ignored border security for 4 years, then put in a Very slooooooooow program for the 2 years after that. Can anyone admit BOTH OF these things?
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WHat saddens me are those people who defend things that they know are wrong.
No party is perfect. If you cannot admit when your party drops the ball, then no one is going to think you have any integrity when it comes to the good things they do. If you defend Bush's ignoring the border for 4 years, nobody will give you any credibility when you talk about something else he's done good - even if it IS good.
Bush has done a great deal to make the US stronger energy-wise. I can admit that. Bush ignored border security for 4 years, then put in a Very slooooooooow program for the 2 years after that. Can anyone admit BOTH OF these things?
Only moderates can ;D j/k you can too.
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Because BUSH is a FUCKING IDIOT and what's worse is the IDIOTS who defend him.
Hey! I resemble that remark. You calling me an idiot? :D
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BB, can you admit 3 mistakes bush has made in the last 6 years?
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Hey! I resemble that remark. You calling me an idiot? :D
You know i'm not, because you don't have problem admitting things. ;D
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BB, can you admit 3 mistakes bush has made in the last 6 years?
BB tries not answer 240's dumb questions, because he realizes 240 will only respond with ad hominem, and then change the subject as soon as his comments are blown up. So, again, BB will skip to the end result of this exchange:
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You know i'm not, because you don't have problem admitting things. ;D
True. :)
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BB tries not answer 240's dumb questions, because he realizes 240 will only respond with ad hominem, and then change the subject as soon as his comments are blown up. So, again, BB will skip to the end result of this exchange:
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hahahaha you can't admit it.
which means, when you say bush did something good, we're going to say to ourselves "Beach bum would see Bush take a dump on a puppy and say it's a good thing".
You lack the integrity and honesty to list one thing bush has done wrong.
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hahahaha you can't admit it.
which means, when you say bush did something good, we're going to say to ourselves "Beach bum would see Bush take a dump on a puppy and say it's a good thing".
You lack the integrity and honesty to list one thing bush has done wrong.
YAWN. ::)
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Is it any surprise this thread has already far exceeded the positive Bush thread?
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WHat saddens me are those people who defend things that they know are wrong.
No party is perfect. If you cannot admit when your party drops the ball, then no one is going to think you have any integrity when it comes to the good things they do. If you defend Bush's ignoring the border for 4 years, nobody will give you any credibility when you talk about something else he's done good - even if it IS good.
Bush has done a great deal to make the US stronger energy-wise. I can admit that. Bush ignored border security for 4 years, then put in a Very slooooooooow program for the 2 years after that. Can anyone admit BOTH OF these things?
I don't think USA is stronger energy-wise.
Bush waited until this year to announce that USA was going to try to become less oil dependent?
WTF?
During the Clinton and Bush Sr years, USA had better foreign relations overall, helping securing oil resources.
But the main thing, Bush Jr never did a thing to become less oil dependent.
-Hedge
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Is it any surprise this thread has already far exceeded the positive Bush thread?
Two theories immediately suggest themselves...
1. Bush is a fucktard.
2. Berserker!
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Is it any surprise this thread has already far exceeded the positive Bush thread?
nope not at all.
The list of things bush has done wrong, far exceeds and overshadows anything he might have gotten right.
Waging an illegal aggressive war against a sovereign state that posed no threat to the USA, and lying to congress and the public, needlessly sending many Americans & Iraqi civilians to their deaths, has a tendency to stick in your mind more than the one time he remembered to put the lid down on the toilet seat.
btw - That's just an assumption on my part about the toilet seat. I reckon every guy has remembered to do that at least once in his life, ...maybe not twice, ...but at least once. :D
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btw - That's just an assumption on my part about the toilet seat. I reckon every guy has remembered to do that at least once in his life, ...maybe not twice, ...but at least once. :D
Typical Republican insensitivity...
I read once that Ronnie [Reagan, not Coleman] would fart in bed and then hold Nancy's head under the blanket.
A story like that has got to be true.
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Typical Republican insensitivity...
I read once that Ronnie [Reagan, not Coleman] would fart in bed and then hold Nancy's head under the blanket.
A story like that has got to be true.
IMO that man was a snake. If all the shit he pulled while president of the Screen Actor's Guild came out, ...he would NEVER have made Governor of Cali let alone President.
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Two theories immediately suggest themselves...
1. Bush is a fucktard.
2. Berserker!
Perhaps, but what is clear is that the proponents of the Bush Doctrine are generally less outspoken (excluding myself, of course).
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IMO that man was a snake. If all the shit he pulled while president of the Screen Actor's Guild came out, ...he would NEVER have made Governor of Cali let alone President.
I've never been able to find a link. But I could swear I once came across a James Garner interview where he said - back when it would have taken some guts to do so - that Ronnie was a moron when he was running SAG, so why should we surprised that he was a moron when running the country.
James Garner = true American hero!
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BB, can you admit 3 mistakes bush has made in the last 6 years?
Holy fuck 240, I admit daily mistakes Bush has made. This whole "if they wanted it done in the last 2 years it would have happened" just is false. 100% false. I rarely defend Bush and his decisions, but when there is 100% undeniable proof that he is taking steps to secure the border with a fence how can you say he has done nothing?
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Holy fuck 240, I admit daily mistakes Bush has made. This whole "if they wanted it done in the last 2 years it would have happened" just is false. 100% false. I rarely defend Bush and his decisions, but when there is 100% undeniable proof that he is taking steps to secure the border with a fence how can you say he has done nothing?
He hasn't done enough. You know damn well he could secure the border in 48 hours if he wanted to. Were creating and fighting terrorists in the Middle East while are back door is wide fucking open. Admit it or not, I know you understand that this is bullshit MM69.
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This white house has set up american to buy iraqi oil for below market value.
the world can't have it, and we get it on clearance.
we control more oil now. they can blame wmd or saddam or whatever, but anyone with a brain knows the truth.
china and russia can't buy that oil, and we're getting it for dimes on the dollar. Advantage, US.
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This white house has set up american to buy iraqi oil for below market value.
the world can't have it, and we get it on clearance.
we control more oil now. they can blame wmd or saddam or whatever, but anyone with a brain knows the truth.
china and russia can't buy that oil, and we're getting it for dimes on the dollar. Advantage, US.
No baby... who benefits are the oil companies. Do you really think they're going to give us a break at the pump?
They've been conditioning us by raising the prices, ...then bringin them down, ...but not down to where they were before. When gas is $1.50/gallon, and they raise it up to $3/gallon, then lower it to $2.50/gallon, ...all those with preconditioned ADD are all breathing sighs of relief and singing 'hallelulah we've got cheap gas'. Then they do it to you again... You're being cooked like a frog... pretty soon we'll be poking you with a fork.
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He hasn't done enough. You know damn well he could secure the border in 48 hours if he wanted to. Were creating and fighting terrorists in the Middle East while are back door is wide fucking open. Admit it or not, I know you understand that this is bullshit MM69.
agreed more coule be done