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Title: war on Iran march 2007?
Post by: muscleforlife on March 05, 2007, 02:43:35 PM
Has anyone heard any murmurings on this?  Heard a blurb, not sure if it is accurate.

That's the word on the street.

Sandra
Title: Re: war on Iran march 2007?
Post by: ribonucleic on March 05, 2007, 02:59:58 PM
What we do know is:

1. Bush has made arrangements to have attack orders carried out in 24 hours or less.

2. He has done this to outflank the growing efforts of Congress and the Pentagon top brass to make giving such orders more difficult.

To me it sure looks like that adds up to an attack sooner rather than later.
Title: Re: war on Iran march 2007?
Post by: BRUCE on March 05, 2007, 03:10:47 PM
What we do know is:

1. Bush has made arrangements to have attack orders carried out in 24 hours or less.

2. He has done this to outflank the growing efforts of Congress and the Pentagon top brass to make giving such orders more difficult.

To me it sure looks like that adds up to an attack sooner rather than later.

That's quite a sensible post.  The decision for Bush, as time runs out on his Presidency, is what legacy will he seek to be remebered by.  I believe Iran needs to be disarmed as soon as possible.
Title: Re: war on Iran march 2007?
Post by: 240 is Back on March 05, 2007, 03:18:09 PM
for whatever its worth, a russian parliamentary official announced in the first week of January, that the US will strike iranian targets on march 28.

the link was posted here.  also i think zogby had 70+% of Americans believing bush would strike in march.

Title: Re: war on Iran march 2007?
Post by: 240 is Back on March 05, 2007, 03:19:14 PM
I believe Iran needs to be disarmed as soon as possible.

...as long as YOUR neck isn't on the line in there.


armchair soldier.

Title: Re: war on Iran march 2007?
Post by: OzmO on March 05, 2007, 03:21:14 PM
no, no,  nothing is gonna happen right now.


The American public hasn't been scared shitless by the government regarding Iran, yet.  If something does happen it will be a air campaign. But not likely right now.

Also,  if you think Iraq was a mess,  Iran's going to be 10 times that.   We don't have the troops right now to pull both off.   

Plus we would have heard about more troops getting deployed from all ove rthe USA prior to today.
Title: Re: war on Iran march 2007?
Post by: 24KT on March 05, 2007, 03:26:50 PM
That's quite a sensible post.  The decision for Bush, as time runs out on his Presidency, is what legacy will he seek to be remebered by.  I believe Iran needs to be disarmed as soon as possible.

Iran needs to be disarmed?  ::)  What arms does Iran have? 
Iran can cripple this continent within a week without firing a shot.

If they shut down the straits of Hormuz... we're screwed!
Title: Re: war on Iran march 2007?
Post by: BRUCE on March 05, 2007, 03:33:16 PM
...as long as YOUR neck isn't on the line in there.
armchair soldier.

Erm, aren't you the same 240 that argues we should remain in Iraq, if only for their precious oil?  Am I to assume you are an armchair oil bandit?

And just so you know, a whole lot more peoples' necks will be on the collective line if Iran points something nuclear at, let's say, Israel.
Title: Re: war on Iran march 2007?
Post by: Hugo Chavez on March 05, 2007, 03:49:24 PM
no, no,  nothing is gonna happen right now.


The American public hasn't been scared shitless by the government regarding Iran, yet.  If something does happen it will be a air campaign. But not likely right now.

Also,  if you think Iraq was a mess,  Iran's going to be 10 times that.   We don't have the troops right now to pull both off.   

Plus we would have heard about more troops getting deployed from all ove rthe USA prior to today.

I disagree.  Iran will be nothing like Iraq.  When we strike them, there will be instant retaliation here in America.  I know everyone is going to call BS, but I think there is a very good chance that their threats in this area are real.  If we go into Iran, full blown world war won't be long behind.
Title: Re: war on Iran march 2007?
Post by: 240 is Back on March 05, 2007, 03:51:35 PM
Erm, aren't you the same 240 that argues we should remain in Iraq, if only for their precious oil?  Am I to assume you are an armchair oil bandit?

And just so you know, a whole lot more peoples' necks will be on the collective line if Iran points something nuclear at, let's say, Israel.

Bruce, the US needs to "manage" Iraqi oil to maintain our way of life.  

You see, I am open about this fact - we need their oil to keep our style of life and to keep the rapidly arming chinese from getting it.  You can't seem to admit that.  It's the truth, as painful as it is.


Bruce, why would the US attack Iran for Israel?

Israel has a nice little army, their awesome air force, their own nukes, and they haven't done much to help us in iraq.

So why would we sacrifice American lives and dollars, so they don't have to?  You've always gotten all froggy here, saying "they are our allies", but they are perfectly capable for fighting that war, seeing as we have our hands MORE than full without our other 2 wars.
Title: Re: war on Iran march 2007?
Post by: 240 is Back on March 05, 2007, 03:53:09 PM
Iraq was 26 million poor people with no WMD.
Iran is 70 million strong, loaded with $, and a developing nuke program.


That war is going to be a freakin mess.

And to think for a moment we should enter a third shitstorm, because Iran "might" attack Israel, makes no sense to me.  LET THEM DO IT.
Title: Re: war on Iran march 2007?
Post by: BRUCE on March 05, 2007, 04:02:55 PM
Bruce, the US needs to "manage" Iraqi oil to maintain our way of life.  

You see, I am open about this fact - we need their oil to keep our style of life and to keep the rapidly arming chinese from getting it.  You can't seem to admit that.  It's the truth, as painful as it is.

I would say being dead would hamper your way of life a little bit more than paying $.50 a gallon more for fuel.  Iran, as you've pointed out in your other post, is a significant danger to the region and possibly further.

Bruce, why would the US attack Iran for Israel?

Do you understand what an 'ally' is?  And I'm not suggesting they do it solely for Israel, despite the fact thousands of Americans live there.  Have you considered the 100,000 plus Americans across the border in Iraq?
Title: Re: war on Iran march 2007?
Post by: Hugo Chavez on March 05, 2007, 04:16:08 PM
LET THEM DO IT.
LOL, didn't you know that's the Israeli motto?
Title: Re: war on Iran march 2007?
Post by: 240 is Back on March 05, 2007, 04:32:54 PM
I would say being dead would hamper your way of life a little bit more than paying $.50 a gallon more for fuel.  Iran, as you've pointed out in your other post, is a significant danger to the region and possibly further.

Do you understand what an 'ally' is?  And I'm not suggesting they do it solely for Israel, despite the fact thousands of Americans live there.  Have you considered the 100,000 plus Americans across the border in Iraq?


Bruce,

Do you believe Israel should have to contribute man, money, and firepower to a war in iran?
Title: Re: war on Iran march 2007?
Post by: trab on March 05, 2007, 04:33:41 PM
Somebody's got to take out the Nuke facilities. US or Israel. And it will not ever look like a joint effort.
If that Iranian nut gets nukes - (more than he allready prolly has)  The world WILL regret it down the line.
Bush squandered political and military capital on this dismal Iraq thing and should of just sat back and contained Saddam. Too late now. Watch the gold and commodities go nuts if the fireworks go off.
Title: Re: war on Iran march 2007?
Post by: BRUCE on March 05, 2007, 04:37:34 PM
Bruce,

Do you believe Israel should have to contribute man, money, and firepower to a war in iran?

Categorically, yes.
Title: Re: war on Iran march 2007?
Post by: trab on March 05, 2007, 04:39:48 PM
Us and Israel cant stand hand in hand and fight.
Title: Re: war on Iran march 2007?
Post by: 240 is Back on March 05, 2007, 04:44:45 PM
Categorically, yes.

Cool.  Me too.  And I'm fine if we have to bomb the shit out of Iran.  A few things though:

1) Negotiations first.  We refuse to talk to them.  that's just unreasonable.  if we put down a list of demands, and promised to NOT invade them, they might cave thanks to their people not wanting to become baghdadians.  Right now we say "we won't talk until you do everything we say", but the nuke is their only trump card should we march into tehran.

2) Israel needs to help.  They want to fire a few nifty rockets at iran, then let the US men over there deal with the consequences.  They need to put 20,000 men on the ground to kick things off.
Title: Re: war on Iran march 2007?
Post by: BRUCE on March 05, 2007, 04:45:46 PM
Us and Israel cant stand hand in hand and fight.

Fortunately for our soldiers, warfare is generally not hand to hand combat anymore, so I'm sure a potential bilateral force would work just fine.
Title: Re: war on Iran march 2007?
Post by: BRUCE on March 05, 2007, 04:50:38 PM
Cool.  Me too.  And I'm fine if we have to bomb the shit out of Iran.  A few things though:

1) Negotiations first.  We refuse to talk to them.  that's just unreasonable.  if we put down a list of demands, and promised to NOT invade them, they might cave thanks to their people not wanting to become baghdadians.  Right now we say "we won't talk until you do everything we say", but the nuke is their only trump card should we march into tehran.

2) Israel needs to help.  They want to fire a few nifty rockets at iran, then let the US men over there deal with the consequences.  They need to put 20,000 men on the ground to kick things off.

We shall see, obviously Israel has its own military constraints forced on it by the frequent threat of terror from across the Gaza Strip.  Any help they are willing to give will be just that.
Title: Re: war on Iran march 2007?
Post by: OzmO on March 05, 2007, 04:59:02 PM
I disagree.  Iran will be nothing like Iraq.  When we strike them, there will be instant retaliation here in America.  I know everyone is going to call BS, but I think there is a very good chance that their threats in this area are real.  If we go into Iran, full blown world war won't be long behind.

what do you disagree with?    ???
Title: Re: war on Iran march 2007?
Post by: trab on March 05, 2007, 05:00:41 PM
Bilateral?  :o I don't see it happening. Never has been any overt Ops of that nature.
Highly Covert only.  Too much political liability w/ the countries in the region.
Not every leader over there is all peachy w/ Iran joining the  Nuke club. 
Title: Re: war on Iran march 2007?
Post by: BRUCE on March 05, 2007, 05:14:51 PM
Bilateral?  :o I don't see it happening. Never has been any overt Ops of that nature.
Highly Covert only.  Too much political liability w/ the countries in the region.
Not every leader over there is all peachy w/ Iran joining the  Nuke club. 

Never has there been 'overt' co-operation between nations in waging a war?  Have you not seen the US/British/Australian/etc. efforts in Iraq?
Title: Re: war on Iran march 2007?
Post by: trab on March 05, 2007, 05:24:53 PM
Bruce, I didn't mean that. I meant USA & Israel.
That is going to be avoided at all costs.
They will create a whole separate front/ incident and isolate at the most.
USA and Israel hand in hand will not go over well in the region.
Title: Re: war on Iran march 2007?
Post by: BRUCE on March 05, 2007, 05:29:59 PM
USA and Israel hand in hand will not go over well in the region.

It has nothing to do with 'going over well' in the region.  In case you haven't noticed, Israelis have been targeted by Islamic terror organisations for the last several decades for nothing more than having existed in the first place.  I hardly think defending themselves against a possible nuclear winter in Iran is going to worry them on account that it won't 'go over well' with their neighbors.

Besides this, I'm sure the US will be able to garner support from other freedom loving nations (Read: not the UN or EU).
Title: Re: war on Iran march 2007?
Post by: JOHN MATRIX on March 05, 2007, 05:39:43 PM
WHO CARES if iran has nukes? WHAT ARE THEY GOING TO DO??????NOTHING!!! they know damn well that if they attack anyone they will be turned to glass by the western world within a day, i cant believe some of you morons (BRUCE) advocate preemptively attacking iran to 'disarm' them ::)

iran isnt a threat to ANYONE ESPECIALLY israel or the US because if they do anything they know they will be destroyed. is it really that hard to understand??

and about israel, who gives a flying fuck? let the jewbagels handle their own shit. why should we use our blood to save those assholes?why?why?
Title: Re: war on Iran march 2007?
Post by: BRUCE on March 05, 2007, 05:44:21 PM
WHO CARES if iran has nukes? WHAT ARE THEY GOING TO DO??????NOTHING!!! they know damn well that if they attack anyone they will be turned to glass by the western world within a day, i cant believe some of you morons (BRUCE) advocate preemptively attacking iran to 'disarm' them ::)

iran isnt a threat to ANYONE ESPECIALLY israel or the US because if they do anything they know they will be destroyed. is it really that hard to understand??

and about israel, who gives a flying fuck? let the jewbagels handle their own shit. why should we use our blood to save those assholes?why?why?

You're a fool, of course, and you come across as a bigoted ignoramus in your post.  I certainly hope you're more agreeable in real life, otherwise I feel for those that have to put up with you.

You mention that if Iran used nuclear weapons that they will be 'turned to glass' and 'within a day'.  Well, some of us, myself included, would like it not have to come to a nuclear weapon being dropped by anyone.  You, apparently, don't mind if two have to be used.

Are you finished with your illogical tirade now?  If so, you can head back up to Gossip & Opinions now to 'own' someone.
Title: Re: war on Iran march 2007?
Post by: trab on March 05, 2007, 05:47:43 PM
Nuclear Iran is a worse threat to world stability than present- Read steady oil supply.
I think Bush hits 'em before his times up. Good idea? ??? Bush hasn't shown lots of good judgment so far IMO
why start now?
Title: Re: war on Iran march 2007?
Post by: BRUCE on March 05, 2007, 05:57:32 PM
Nuclear Iran is a worse threat to world stability than present- Read steady oil supply.
I think Bush hits 'em before his times up. Good idea? ???

Yes, I think so.  Oil is not the issue.
Title: Re: war on Iran march 2007?
Post by: 240 is Back on March 05, 2007, 06:01:10 PM
We shall see, obviously Israel has its own military constraints forced on it by the frequent threat of terror from across the Gaza Strip.  Any help they are willing to give will be just that.

What?

We have 200,000 men on the other side of the world.

They have some of their men securing borders and common areas.

It would be completely asinine to just let them chip in what they feel like.  I do not understand your leniency in requiring them to contribute.  We are making guys do 4th tours, and they can't double up a bit?  Come on...
Title: Re: war on Iran march 2007?
Post by: 240 is Back on March 05, 2007, 06:04:27 PM
Yes, I think so.  Oil is not the issue.

Didn't you tell us we weren't in Iraq for oil?  Then Ribo posted the documents showing we are prifoting from their oil below market value (stealing) and you never addressed it.


Now you tell us we're not after oil in Iran, huh?




*singing that same ol' WMD line...*
Title: Re: war on Iran march 2007?
Post by: trab on March 05, 2007, 06:07:41 PM
4thTour says SO much. THese guys have held up admirably.  I'm for ANYTHING that ends their campout in Hell.  We could get really nasty.  Show those MoFos they exist only @ our will. But This wont happen.
I could guess why but I'm to cynical even for myself to stand it.
Title: Re: war on Iran march 2007?
Post by: BRUCE on March 05, 2007, 06:21:14 PM
What?
We have 200,000 men on the other side of the world.
They have some of their men securing borders and common areas.
It would be completely asinine to just let them chip in what they feel like.  I do not understand your leniency in requiring them to contribute.  We are making guys do 4th tours, and they can't double up a bit?  Come on...

Take a deep breath.  I was simply saying I didn't know if your '20,000 troops' comment was an accurate figure.  The US is the biggest economy in the World, so it can afford to be as generous as it has been.  Israel is a tiny nation with a huge terror problem domestically, so try and be a little more pragmatic.

USA:
GDP (purchasing power parity): $12.98 trillion (2006 est.)  

Israel:
GDP (purchasing power parity): $166.3 billion (2006 est.)  

That, by my calculations, means the US is some 80 times bigger than Israel in terms of production (feel free to check this guys, as I'm no maths whiz).

And note this critical issue too:

Israel Population: 6,352,117
 
Title: Re: war on Iran march 2007?
Post by: BRUCE on March 05, 2007, 06:22:36 PM
Didn't you tell us we weren't in Iraq for oil?  Then Ribo posted the documents showing we are prifoting from their oil below market value (stealing) and you never addressed it.
Now you tell us we're not after oil in Iran, huh?
*singing that same ol' WMD line...*

Erm, your position is that oil is being stolen, it's a simple fact it isn't.  Has the UN accused the US of stealing oil?  If not, why not?

And what WMD line would that be?
Title: Re: war on Iran march 2007?
Post by: trab on March 05, 2007, 06:24:35 PM
Better factor debt into the GDP #s :-\
Title: Re: war on Iran march 2007?
Post by: BRUCE on March 05, 2007, 06:27:20 PM
Better factor debt into the GDP #s :-\

Why, does the national debt of both countries need to be remitted before combat is engaged?
Title: Re: war on Iran march 2007?
Post by: Cavalier22 on March 05, 2007, 06:27:40 PM
iran (at least this current regime) would have no problems givin terrorists WMD's they develop
Title: Re: war on Iran march 2007?
Post by: BRUCE on March 05, 2007, 06:35:53 PM
iran (at least this current regime) would have no problems givin terrorists WMD's they develop

Very true.  If this doesn't concern everyone else, then at least it does you and I.
Title: Re: war on Iran march 2007?
Post by: trab on March 05, 2007, 06:36:50 PM
Why, does the national debt of both countries need to be remitted before combat is engaged?
*****************************************************************************

Because Lockheed Northrup and Alliant Tech charge for all those goodies.

Your assumption of the  USA's wealth may be a bit skewered in the coming decade.
Cant just spend out of thin air.
Title: Re: war on Iran march 2007?
Post by: BRUCE on March 05, 2007, 06:45:24 PM
Why, does the national debt of both countries need to be remitted before combat is engaged?
*****************************************************************************

Because Lockheed Northrup and Alliant Tech charge for all those goodies.

Your assumption of the  USA's wealth may be a bit skewered in the coming decade.
Cant just spend out of thin air.

Does Israel have a smaller national debt proportionately?  If so, by how much?  And as I said, the slate does not need to be wiped clean within the coming months, and my point was merely indicative of the size differential.
Title: Re: war on Iran march 2007?
Post by: 240 is Back on March 05, 2007, 07:09:41 PM
Erm, your position is that oil is being stolen, it's a simple fact it isn't.  Has the UN accused the US of stealing oil?  If not, why not?

And what WMD line would that be?

Here comes the middle school innocent rhetoric.

it's not even laughable anymore. 
Title: Re: war on Iran march 2007?
Post by: trab on March 05, 2007, 07:11:16 PM
Bruce I don't Know The $%s, AND I agree w/ many of your points, but if your going to use GDP as a wealth measure we also need to factor in debt. I know the future projectons of debt (GAO figs) exceed GDP in abouts
25yrs. Not funny.  These wars are a bit spendy even if there is a good reason.
Lots of good argument here to a problem w/ no easy answer. 
Title: Re: war on Iran march 2007?
Post by: BRUCE on March 05, 2007, 07:12:18 PM
Here comes the middle school innocent rhetoric.
it's not even laughable anymore. 

Didn't you just say you were 'bored' of my 'naive(ty)'?  Why then post twice in the space of around a minute regarding me?

Also, do you actually debate anything I've said, or just get upset and throw insults like your 'middle school' remark?
Title: Re: war on Iran march 2007?
Post by: BRUCE on March 05, 2007, 07:13:25 PM
Bruce I don't Know The $%s, AND I agree w/ many of your points, but if your going to use GDP as a wealth measure we also need to factor in debt. I know the future projectons of debt (GAO figs) exceed GDP in abouts
25yrs. Not funny.  These wars are a bit spendy even if there is a good reason.
Lots of good argument here to a problem w/ no easy answer. 

Okay, and I also agree with the broad statement you're making, trab.  My questions about proportionate GDP/national debt was legitimate though.
Title: Re: war on Iran march 2007?
Post by: trab on March 05, 2007, 07:17:11 PM
I got no answer except the US is way to far in debt!

BACK TO THE FIGHT-- I dont think Israel's air Force can take out the Nuke Facilities.
That leaves you know who. I'm betin it goes down. It's allready overdue. Results?
Title: Re: war on Iran march 2007?
Post by: ToxicAvenger on March 05, 2007, 07:18:50 PM
Iran "might" attack Israel, makes no sense to me.  LET THEM DO IT.

you said it...


give it another 20 yrs...the zionist agenda is already symonymous with patriotism..


why o why r we making enemies around this planet for a shithole in the middle east?  :-\

Title: Re: war on Iran march 2007?
Post by: trab on March 05, 2007, 07:20:13 PM
Oil
Title: Re: war on Iran march 2007?
Post by: ToxicAvenger on March 05, 2007, 07:20:37 PM


BACK TO THE FIGHT-- I dont think Israel's air Force can take out the Nuke Facilities.



and risk another chreonybl?  i mean did ANYONE think about what happens when ya rain bombs on nuclear plants?




Title: Re: war on Iran march 2007?
Post by: ToxicAvenger on March 05, 2007, 07:21:24 PM
Oil


israel has oil?

 :-\
Title: Re: war on Iran march 2007?
Post by: trab on March 05, 2007, 07:21:42 PM
Re: who'd bomb atomic material - Remember that village in Texas?
Title: Re: war on Iran march 2007?
Post by: muscleforlife on March 05, 2007, 07:21:54 PM
Cool.  Me too.  And I'm fine if we have to bomb the shit out of Iran.  A few things though:

1) Negotiations first.  We refuse to talk to them.  that's just unreasonable.  if we put down a list of demands, and promised to NOT invade them, they might cave thanks to their people not wanting to become baghdadians.  Right now we say "we won't talk until you do everything we say", but the nuke is their only trump card should we march into tehran.

2) Israel needs to help.  They want to fire a few nifty rockets at iran, then let the US men over there deal with the consequences.  They need to put 20,000 men on the ground to kick things off.
20,000
Isn't that the number of troops the US is looking to put into Iraq right now....
Things that make you go hmmmm...

Sandra
Title: Re: war on Iran march 2007?
Post by: ToxicAvenger on March 05, 2007, 07:22:17 PM
Remember that village in Texas?

what village mayne?

stop being lazy and spell it out for me mayne  >:(
Title: Re: war on Iran march 2007?
Post by: trab on March 05, 2007, 07:24:28 PM
They're Missing their Idiot.
Title: Re: war on Iran march 2007?
Post by: ToxicAvenger on March 05, 2007, 07:28:08 PM
They're Missing their Idiot.



lol...say 1 anti israeli thing and they start crawling out of the woodwork..


i mean it..we keep sucking israeli ass and we paid for it in 911..

Title: Re: war on Iran march 2007?
Post by: Camel Jockey on March 05, 2007, 07:34:14 PM
If ameerika doesn't do it then israel will. Israel will be the one dragging the US into this war despite the people's disagreement.
Title: Re: war on Iran march 2007?
Post by: 24KT on March 05, 2007, 07:54:59 PM
Iran could cripple the west without firing a single shot, ...and the first casualties... the ones who are going to feel it won't be the soldiers on the battlefield, ...it will be civilians in America. Air power can only do so much, then the soldiers will have to go in. If you think attacking Iran will cause them to stop their nuke program you're mistaken. If anything, it could and most probably would cause them to steer it away from energy, and towards weapons.
Title: Re: war on Iran march 2007?
Post by: BRUCE on March 05, 2007, 07:57:10 PM
Iran could cripple the west without firing a single shot, ...and the first casualties... the ones who are going to feel it won't be the soldiers on the battlefield, ...it will be civilians in America. Air power can only do so much, then the soldiers will have to go in. If you think attacking Iran will cause them to stop their nuke program you're mistaken. If anything, it could and most probably would cause them to steer it away from energy, and towards weapons.

And if you honestly believe the US couldn't topple Iran in around a week, as per Saddam, you're very much mistaken.  As soon as America commits itself to an attack on Iran, their nuclear days are measured by an atomic clock which is due to expire shortly.
Title: Re: war on Iran march 2007?
Post by: tu_holmes on March 05, 2007, 07:58:35 PM


lol...say 1 anti israeli thing and they start crawling out of the woodwork..


i mean it..we keep sucking israeli ass and we paid for it in 911..



I agree... I don't care about any of them... I'd be happy giving them all weapons and letting them all shoot it out.

It's not my business.
Title: Re: war on Iran march 2007?
Post by: ToxicAvenger on March 05, 2007, 08:07:30 PM
I agree... I don't care about any of them... I'd be happy giving them all weapons and letting them all shoot it out.

It's not my business.
THANKYOU..at least someone agrees..

and i wouldn't give em weapons either..that costs the USA money...money WE NEED...fuck man charity starts at home and we have tonnes of homeless..hell we have tonnes of homeless kids ..dosen't ANYONE have any fucking empathy..

a bunch of adults wanna act like idiots and kill eachother over an imaginary friend (god)..hell lets let em..good fucking bye and good riddance...

lets secure our borders and improve on not having bad people get in...instead of making ememies by pretending to eliminate bad elsewhere..
Title: Re: war on Iran march 2007?
Post by: 240 is Back on March 05, 2007, 08:11:15 PM
And if you honestly believe the US couldn't topple Iran in around a week, as per Saddam, you're very much mistaken. 

Wrong, hotshot.   Iran has triple the population and a strong military.

Read about them.  If you think we're taking this out in a week, you don't know much about iran.  but hell, who needs to research an emeny before boming them?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_of_Iran


Title: Re: war on Iran march 2007?
Post by: tu_holmes on March 05, 2007, 08:14:49 PM
THANKYOU..at least someone agrees..

and i wouldn't give em weapons either..that costs the USA money...money WE NEED...fuck man charity starts at home and we have tonnes of homeless..hell we have tonnes of homeless kids ..dosen't ANYONE have any fucking empathy..

a bunch of adults wanna act like idiots and kill eachother over an imaginary friend (god)..hell lets let em..good fucking bye and good riddance...

lets secure our borders and improve on not having bad people get in...instead of making ememies by pretending to eliminate bad elsewhere..

By give... I mean "sell".

:D
Title: Re: war on Iran march 2007?
Post by: ToxicAvenger on March 05, 2007, 08:15:48 PM
Wrong, hotshot.   Iran has triple the population and a strong military.

Read about them.  If you think we're taking this out in a week, you don't know much about iran.  but hell, who needs to research an emeny before boming them?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_of_Iran




a LOT of the islamic world saw the war against iraq as a war on islam..

bombing iran would be a bad idea ESPECIALLY since we KNOW N korea HAS nukes and we aren't doing shit about that..

but terrorism = $$ for a select few..so why the fuck not right?

its pakistan all over again for me man  :(
Title: Re: war on Iran march 2007?
Post by: ToxicAvenger on March 05, 2007, 08:17:23 PM
By give... I mean "sell".

:D

homie..i wouldn't sell em shit either..

back engineering is a bitch!


just as the folks that controlled rosvell.. ;)
Title: Re: war on Iran march 2007?
Post by: tu_holmes on March 05, 2007, 08:18:33 PM
homie..i wouldn't sell em shit either..

back engineering is a bitch!


just as the folks that controlled rosvell.. ;)

I'd rather not sell to anyone, but we've already sold to Israel... we gotta be fair about this.

If not, then Israel will roll over those countries because of all of the military that We've armed them with... which is not any better for us.

We need to sell to everyone.
Title: Re: war on Iran march 2007?
Post by: BRUCE on March 05, 2007, 08:19:20 PM
Wrong, hotshot.   Iran has triple the population and a strong military.
Read about them.  If you think we're taking this out in a week, you don't know much about iran.  but hell, who needs to research an emeny before boming them?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_of_Iran

Okay, Rob - we'll see how it pans out.  Your ahem, 'reputation', against mine.
Title: Re: war on Iran march 2007?
Post by: ToxicAvenger on March 05, 2007, 08:23:46 PM
I'd rather not sell to anyone, but we've already sold to Israel... we gotta be fair about this.

If not, then Israel will roll over those countries because of all of the military that We've armed them with... which is not any better for us.

We need to sell to everyone.

great..according the the repbs you r now a terrorist..

i've said this before and gotton chewed out for it..

but the palestanians have suicide bombers cause they DONT HAVE WEAPONS..or unlimited $$$...no one wants to die (70 virgins..i mean how fucked up ya gotta be in the head to wanna believe that? )


i say dont sell to anyone...that wa it keeps OUR leaders in check also..

every redneck i meet wants to tell me how saddam killed the kurds..(why rednecks care for kurdish muslims ...but not the rest of the muslims..i DONT KNOW :-\ )..well fuck mate..all them kurd killing weapons were made in the USA..

i had emough of hypocracy in pakistan..THATS why my family left..i dont want it here..
Title: Re: war on Iran march 2007?
Post by: ToxicAvenger on March 05, 2007, 08:26:30 PM
.  Your ahem, 'reputation', against mine.

noob..you r a no body on here..

..dont flatter yourself..eventually you're gonna piss an elder off....and get banned for good..

its happened here before.. :-\

DanD comes to mind..although personally i think he ws a legend..
Title: Re: war on Iran march 2007?
Post by: tu_holmes on March 05, 2007, 08:27:42 PM
great..according the the repbs you r now a terrorist..

i've said this before and gotton chewed out for it..

but the palestanians have suicide bombers cause they DONT HAVE WEAPONS..or unlimited $$$...no one wants to die (70 virgins..i mean how fucked up ya gotta be in the head to wanna believe that? )


i say dont sell to anyone...that wa it keeps OUR leaders in check also..

every redneck i meet wants to tell me how saddam killed the kurds..(why rednecks care for kurdish muslims ...but not the rest of the muslims..i DONT KNOW :-\ )..well fuck mate..all them kurd killing weapons were made in the USA..

i had emough of hypocracy in pakistan..THATS why my family left..i dont want it here..

Don't tell Bruce that... he'll keep talking about a Senate committee which no one ever heard about and how they said we didn't give WMDs to Iraq... Then he won't post a link.
Title: Re: war on Iran march 2007?
Post by: BRUCE on March 05, 2007, 08:29:24 PM
noob..you r a no body on here..

..dont flatter yourself..eventually you're gonna piss an elder off....and get banned for good..

its happened here before.. :-\

DanD comes to mind..although personally i think he ws a legend..

You'll excuse me for laughing at your apparent 'elder' status on a bodybuilding website.  I'll post 20,000 more times when I get a chance for you, okay?

How's the weights coming along, big guy?

Title: Re: war on Iran march 2007?
Post by: ToxicAvenger on March 05, 2007, 08:30:32 PM
You'll excuse me for laughing at your apparent 'elder' status on a bodybuilding website.  I'll post 20,000 more times when I get a chance for you, okay?

How's the weights coming along, big guy?



and bruce adds my picture to his sig..immediately after i say something anti israeli...

lol..

thing is bruce ..i'm fucking goodlooking  :)


http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=132863.0
Title: Re: war on Iran march 2007?
Post by: BRUCE on March 05, 2007, 08:33:34 PM
and bruce adds my picture to his sig..immediately after i say something anti israeli...
lol..
thing is bruce ..i'm fucking goodlooking  :)
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=132863.0

Actually, that's not my signature, and I've never added it there - I do have taste.  I really don't have so much of a problem with your undoubted dedication to the iron, more so with your Saddam-esque fashion sense.  Tell me, was that picture taken in 1984 or 1985?  I can't seem to place it yet.
Title: Re: war on Iran march 2007?
Post by: ToxicAvenger on March 05, 2007, 08:37:19 PM
Actually, that's not my signature, and I've never added it there - I do have taste.  I really don't have so much of a problem with your undoubted dedication to the iron, more so with your Saddam-esque fashion sense.  Tell me, was that picture taken in 1984 or 1985?  I can't seem to place it yet.

the pic ws taken in the mid 90s i dont remember..or late 90s..i had not trained in quite a while back then..as folks here know..


at my worst i'm prolly still better looking than you  ;D


prove me wrong! ;D


and bad fashion sence just proves i'm straight..ummm "bruce"! ;D
Title: Re: war on Iran march 2007?
Post by: BRUCE on March 05, 2007, 08:44:21 PM
the pic ws taken in the mid 90s i dont remember..or late 90s..i had not trained in quite a while back then..as folks here know..

By that timing, you'll be slipping into some of the mid-nineties finest threads right about now.  And you know you're not gay by the lack of attention you get from the opposite sex for looking like you just stepped out of Baghdad circa 1983?  How ever did you attain such a gargantuan, gladiatorial-esque physique minus resistance training?
Title: Re: war on Iran march 2007?
Post by: ToxicAvenger on March 05, 2007, 09:03:18 PM
By that timing, you'll be slipping into some of the mid-nineties finest threads right about now.  And you know you're not gay by the lack of attention you get from the opposite sex for looking like you just stepped out of Baghdad circa 1983?  How ever did you attain such a gargantuan, gladiatorial-esque physique minus resistance training?

lol..thankx for changing the attention on this thread from Iran to myself..

i'd be pretty pissed if i were realy into politix..

lucliky..i'm more into me!  8)


btw..since u r making fun of me i'm gonna assume you r wayyyy better looking than i am....i'd like some proof please..otherwise you r just another ugly guy being jeleous..  :-\
Title: Re: war on Iran march 2007?
Post by: BRUCE on March 05, 2007, 09:05:36 PM
lol..thankx for changing the attention on this thread from Iran to myself..
i'd be pretty pissed if i were realy into politix..

Which you're not, so why not go back to adding to your 20,000 plus posts elsewhere?  Perhaps go 'own' someone as a 'board elder'.  Sounds cool to me, 'mang'.
Title: Re: war on Iran march 2007?
Post by: ToxicAvenger on March 05, 2007, 09:10:51 PM
Which you're not, so why not go back to adding to your 20,000 plus posts elsewhere?  Perhaps go 'own' someone as a 'board elder'.  Sounds cool to me, 'mang'.

you truly r a noobie..
board elders dont pwn anyone..pwnings happen..they r not contrived..

board elders pm ron and have people perm banned..no questions asked..   ;)


however i still dont see your pic  :-\

and i'm going on the assumption that u r betterlooking than i am..since ya think i'm not so..

its only logical..all i need is proof.. :)



btw..nice changing of subject from iran to me when ya lost the argument..however i dont mind..since i love me..



do u love yourself enough to post a pic?


..i think not!
Title: Re: war on Iran march 2007?
Post by: BRUCE on March 05, 2007, 09:12:53 PM

Sorry I didn't quite manage to read that.  Was something interesting said?
Title: Re: war on Iran march 2007?
Post by: ToxicAvenger on March 05, 2007, 09:25:36 PM
Sorry I didn't quite manage to read that.  Was something interesting said?

translation : i'm too insecure to post a pic!  ;D
Title: Re: war on Iran march 2007?
Post by: Hugo Chavez on March 05, 2007, 09:29:33 PM
what do you disagree with?    ???
Oh sorry, on it being an air only campaign.  That will only last in the initial strike.  This war will escalate to a full out war very quickly in my opinion.
Title: Re: war on Iran march 2007?
Post by: JOHN MATRIX on March 05, 2007, 10:39:51 PM
You're a fool, of course, and you come across as a bigoted ignoramus in your post.  I certainly hope you're more agreeable in real life, otherwise I feel for those that have to put up with you.

You mention that if Iran used nuclear weapons that they will be 'turned to glass' and 'within a day'.  Well, some of us, myself included, would like it not have to come to a nuclear weapon being dropped by anyone.  You, apparently, don't mind if two have to be used.

Are you finished with your illogical tirade now?  If so, you can head back up to Gossip & Opinions now to 'own' someone.
1.anyone calling someone an 'ignoramus' is automatically the least intelligent of the two

2.YOU are the one who is all for preemptively attacking iran, not me, a nation who despite not liking us poses NO THREAT to us whatsoever.

3.using nukes would be the worst possible thing to do

4. you obviously base all your opinions on Fox News

5.im all for joking around and saying stupid stuff online but in all seriousness do you even realize how bad it would be if we preemptively attacked iran? are you capable of really understanding the long term, or even immediate, consequences of such an action?
Title: Re: war on Iran march 2007?
Post by: BRUCE on March 06, 2007, 01:13:15 AM
1.anyone calling someone an 'ignoramus' is automatically the least intelligent of the two

2.YOU are the one who is all for preemptively attacking iran, not me, a nation who despite not liking us poses NO THREAT to us whatsoever.

3.using nukes would be the worst possible thing to do

4. you obviously base all your opinions on Fox News

5.im all for joking around and saying stupid stuff online but in all seriousness do you even realize how bad it would be if we preemptively attacked iran? are you capable of really understanding the long term, or even immediate, consequences of such an action?

Ah, aren't you the guy that just said they could possibly use nuclear weapons?  Doesn't that answer your question regarding Iran's threat to the West?