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I guess we need to take a few bets on how soon the Bush pardon comes down.
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I guess we need to take a few bets on how soon the Bush pardon comes down.
Libby didn't even do anything, aren't there more important things to worry about?
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Libby didn't even do anything, aren't there more important things to worry about?
you obviously haven't followed the case very well, huh?
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Libby didn't even do anything,
In your mind, is "lying to the FBI about your leaks of national security information" not even a crime?
Shit, man. I thought you loved this nation.
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http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/03/06/cia.leak/index.html
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Which means Sandy Burger needs to go next.
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Which means Sandy Burger needs to go next.
hell yes he does.
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His trial should go very quickly..they caught him red handed.
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Time to break out the pardon pen!
BWAHAHAHAHA!!!!!
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hell yes he does.
To: Atty. Gen. John Ashcroft
Dear Mr. Ashcroft,
Sandy Burger has taken top secret documents in order to save himself and the Clinton adimistration from their failures that brought on September 11, 2001. He stuffed the documents in his pants and socks. Now, some of the documents have come up missing. We feel that Mr. Burger's abuses of National Security and gross abuse of his power, is treason. We are asking you, Mr. Ashcroft, to charge Mr. Burger and those who knew what he did and not bringing this to the forefront with treason. We, the Undersigned, understand that this is a very serious charge that is punishable by death. However, this is a VERY serious breech of National Securty, he must be made example of, so people who have the same idea will not repeat the same mistake.
Sincerely,
The Undersigned
http://www.petitiononline.com/sbt2004/petition.html (http://www.petitiononline.com/sbt2004/petition.html)
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His trial should go very quickly..they caught him red handed.
the crooked ass system lets people get away with these things.
you shouldn't be mad at berger. you should be mad at a biased criminal justice system.
If you or I were to walk in that building and start eating nat'l security documents, we'd be doing time right now. Why isn't he prosecuted?
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"I'm not answering that."
Bush, when asked if he'll be giving Libby a pardon.
HA!
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Libby did nothing wrong other than have a faulty memory
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Life Cycle of a Republican Scandal
1. You have no proof!
2. He hasn't been found guilty in a court of law!
3. Bill Clinton!
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Libby did nothing wrong other than have a faulty memory
Yes. Seven conversations in a short period about the story of the year. And he forgot every one.
Cavalier, you seem intelligent enough to go to college and keep yourself out of jail. Why are you so gullible?
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Andrew Sullivan on the verdict:
Something is rotten in the heart of Washington; and it lies in the vice-president's office. The salience of this case is obvious. What it is really about - what it has always been about - is whether this administration deliberately misled the American people about WMD intelligence before the war. The risks Cheney took to attack Wilson, the insane over-reaction that otherwise very smart men in this administration engaged in to rebut a relatively trivial issue: all this strongly implies the fact they were terrified that the full details of their pre-war WMD knowledge would come out. Fitzgerald could smell this. He was right to pursue it, and to prove that a brilliant, intelligent, sane man like Libby would risk jail to protect his bosses. What was he really trying to hide? We now need a Congressional investigation top find out more, to subpoena Cheney and, if he won't cooperate, consider impeaching him.
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Libby did nothing wrong other than have a faulty memory
Poor guy...innocent! ::)
Anyone with the judgement to use the name "scooter" in adulthood's guilty of something.
Now, what about the conspiracy theories? ::)
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Kelly ODonnell of MSNBC said what she thought was the VP motorcade came by the courthouse, then chose not to stop after the verdict was read.
Was Cheney going to do a photo op if Libby was cleared? Or just a coincidence?
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Was Cheney going to do a photo op if Libby was cleared? Or just a coincidence?
Conspiracy
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I smell a Clintonesque-Fordesque Presidential pardon....
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I smell a Clintonesque-Fordesque Presidential pardon....
For what? :)
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For what? :)
(http://aycu40.webshots.com/image/11999/2001883825464813443_rs.jpg)
Is that a FOX news spin? hahah
Or is it a future "Conspircy Theory" proof piece?
Or are they focusing on the 1 count he wasn't found guilty of?
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Is that a FOX news spin? hahah
Or is it a future "Conspircy Theory" proof piece?
Or are they focusing on the 1 count he wasn't found guilty of?
It's the spin factor.
MSNBC had 3 guilty, 1 not guilty on the screen.
FOX uses psychology to make its small penised neocon viewers feel better about themselves all day. Seeing that is a WIN that they'll use to inspire them to text message male teenage soccer players or start a 3rd war they can't win. Gooooooooooooo Joe!
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It's the spin factor.
MSNBC had 3 guilty, 1 not guilty on the screen.
FOX uses psychology to make its small penised neocon viewers feel better about themselves all day. Seeing that is a WIN that they'll use to inspire them to text message male teenage soccer players or start a 3rd war they can't win. Gooooooooooooo Joe!
LMAO ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
The tragic part about this is that FOX is becoming so blatant at stuff like this while certain (Dean Gordon 'Cheese' Pritchard like) Neo-cons still have no clue. ;)
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Forget LIbby for a minute. If he lied under oath, he deserves to go down. I didnt sit in on 2 weeks of witnesses etc, so i dont know. The jury did, and I trust them.
So how does our intelligence gathering process work? WE just send some reporter Joe Wilson down to Nigeria and expect him to go around and ask people about enriched uranium? Did he plan on going up to government officials and other shady characters and asking them? What was his background in Nigeria or WMD's? The whole thing, from the beginning seems like a farce. Why send him, and then why try to discredit him so much? Our government is inefficient.
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So how does our intelligence gathering process work? WE just send some reporter Joe Wilson down to Nigeria and expect him to go around and ask people about enriched uranium? Did he plan on going up to government officials and other shady characters and asking them? What was his background in Nigeria or WMD's? The whole thing, from the beginning seems like a farce. Why send him, and then why try to discredit him so much? Our government is inefficient.
cav,
many people think there were lots of joe wilsons sent to different regions of the world by the white house/cia.
their goal was to find credible 'dirt' on iraq, of course.
Wilson was told to drop it, he didn't, and his wife/life was exposed. It wasn't that HIS info was that damning - it was a warning to all the other joe wilsons that you WILL be revealed to the world in a harmful way if you don't keep your findings to yourself. They exposed his wife, which not only ends her career, but puts every spy (asset, contact, whatever) she put into play as a target. It's how spies get killed, and revealing her identity was a horrible thing to do.
so yeah - wilson was beaten up so all the other moles trolling for info would keep their damn mouths shut.
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FOX news legal analyst says the jury was “hopelessly confused.” ::)
http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/06/breaking-libby-guilty-on-four-of-five-counts/
[see Update III]
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FOX news legal analyst says the jury was “hopelessly confused.” ::)
http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/06/breaking-libby-guilty-on-four-of-five-counts/
[see Update III]
Unfortunately for Cheney... not confused enough. ;D
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The National Review calls for a Libby pardon. ::)
http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=ZDk4ZWM0N2RiZWZkZjE4NzFmMWEyYzM4ODYzMTQ3Mzc=
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The National Review calls for a Libby pardon. ::)
http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=ZDk4ZWM0N2RiZWZkZjE4NzFmMWEyYzM4ODYzMTQ3Mzc=
I say pardon his ass, ...and make Cheney serve the time.
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what expertise did joe wilson ahve in either nigeria or WMD's
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what expertise did joe wilson ahve in either nigeria or WMD's
there were 100 wilsons over there.
he was like the others, sent with money and plausible deniability, to buy knowledge.
we always do this when we need intel to serve a cause. Lots of money and individuals going into a country asking Qs. If one pans out, we get to start a war!
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there were 100 wilsons over there.
he was like the others, sent with money and plausible deniability, to buy knowledge.
we always do this when we need intel to serve a cause. Lots of money and individuals going into a country asking Qs. If one pans out, we get to start a war!
I still say libby did nothing wrong, 240 tell me what he did that was so bad. There were much worse things done in this case by other people.
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I still say libby did nothing wrong, 240 tell me what he did that was so bad. There were much worse things done in this case by other people.
He lied under oath repeatedly.
What else is there to say? That's a crime. Sure, people kill/rape/steal everyday. ANd those crimes are worse. But they have no influence on this case.
Scooter lied to the feds. Do you condone this?
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He lied under oath repeatedly.
What else is there to say? That's a crime. Sure, people kill/rape/steal everyday. ANd those crimes are worse. But they have no influence on this case.
Scooter lied to the feds. Do you condone this?
I think what Plame did was worse, sending her husband to guy because she knew he was against the war and wouldn't exactly search hard to find any evidence that would give the administration a reason to go to war. And she did it knowing that it was illegal for anyone to say that it was her that sent him. What Libby did was the smallest of things in this particular case
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I think what Plame did was worse, sending her husband to guy because she knew he was against the war and wouldn't exactly search hard to find any evidence that would give the administration a reason to go to war. And she did it knowing that it was illegal for anyone to say that it was her that sent him. What Libby did was the smallest of things in this particular case
Dude, breathe for a second. You're saying "so-and-so did something worse, so Libby shouldn't be charged".
There will always be some crime worse. Should we let double-murderers go free cause there are triple-murderers out there?
What about the people who Plame introduced as assets, who were exposed and put at risk? I'm sure you understand that anyone connected to her was instantly relvealed and could have/may have been killed for it. He didn't just lie to the feds - he repeatedly shared classified info which put our brave CIA agents at risk.
I'm actually surprised here. Brave men serving our nation may have died because of this politically motivated leak. mm69, I thought you put AMerican lives above petty politics?
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Scooter lied to the feds. Do you condone this?
I said from the very beginning that I could care less who he sodomized - but when Clinton lied under oath, he deserved to be impeached and convicted. They made that a felony for a reason. It's like, you know, important?
And Libby didn't just lie under oath... he obstructed justice. Think for a second about what those words mean.
We're all supposed to be in favor of justice, right? It's one of the things that makes us great, yada yada yada?
Libby worked to make the nation a less just place.
If you don't think that deserves imprisonment, we're not going to be pals. :)
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I hope Karl Rove gets indicted too--and then sentenced to death.
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Dude, breathe for a second. You're saying "so-and-so did something worse, so Libby shouldn't be charged".
There will always be some crime worse. Should we let double-murderers go free cause there are triple-murderers out there?
What about the people who Plame introduced as assets, who were exposed and put at risk? I'm sure you understand that anyone connected to her was instantly relvealed and could have/may have been killed for it. He didn't just lie to the feds - he repeatedly shared classified info which put our brave CIA agents at risk.
I'm actually surprised here. Brave men serving our nation may have died because of this politically motivated leak. mm69, I thought you put AMerican lives above petty politics?
I still say libby did nothing wrong, 240 tell me what he did that was so bad. There were much worse things done in this case by other people.
wow. I didn't see that coming.
Sounds similar to people defending Clinton.
Guess people still hold to their party lines before they hold to "real" principles or ethics.
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wow. I didn't see that coming.
Sounds similar to people defending Clinton.
Guess people still hold to their party lines before they hold to "real" principles or ethics.
Are you really surprised by this? Take us back 9 years ago and I guarantee that these people were up in arms that Clinton would lie about getting a blowjob from some fat ugly broad but they don't seem to care about Libby.
I'll never understand party line BS. Check out the response to your post on that Lancelot thread. The streets of Baghdad are littered with blown up bodies and gang/insurgent murders yet the Iraqi's were worse off under Hussein. ::)
And then check out that Olbermann thread and read the responses to that one. There are some beauties.
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wow. I didn't see that coming.
Sounds similar to people defending Clinton.
Guess people still hold to their party lines before they hold to "real" principles or ethics.
It's sad. I feel that anyone from any party who commits a crime needs to be kicked out of office and prosecuted fully. I think Sandy Berger and Scooter Libby should be breaking rocks side-by-side.
Some people are okay with crime being committed (and Americans put in danger, as we see here), as long as their party benefits.
It is what separates the phony scumbags from the people with integrity. And these people are what's wrong with this country. They don't care about right or wrong - they just care about their party "winning". Well, no one "wins" when crimes go unpunished. America loses.
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wow. I didn't see that coming.
Sounds similar to people defending Clinton.
Guess people still hold to their party lines before they hold to "real" principles or ethics.
Way to assume I feel this way because of party lines even though I have never stated my political affiliation. I wasn't on the clinton war path back in the day either.
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It's sad. I feel that anyone from any party who commits a crime needs to be kicked out of office and prosecuted fully. I think Sandy Berger and Scooter Libby should be breaking rocks side-by-side.
Some people are okay with crime being committed (and Americans put in danger, as we see here), as long as their party benefits.
It is what separates the phony scumbags from the people with integrity. And these people are what's wrong with this country. They don't care about right or wrong - they just care about their party "winning". Well, no one "wins" when crimes go unpunished. America loses.
And if that were the case 240 I would feel exactly the same. Where is Berger though? I didn't see the GOP chasing him
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I guess we need to take a few bets on how soon the Bush pardon comes down.
No need to bet, if he gets convicted again after appeals he is sure to pardon him and rightfully so, he's a scapegoat, there are alot of other people named who stories conflicted that are on the left, but you don't see them being put through the ringer!
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No need to bet, if he gets convicted again after appeals he is sure to pardon him and rightfully so, he's a scapegoat, there are alot of other people named who stories conflicted that are on the left, but you don't see them being put through the ringer!
And in chimes the voice of reason. ;D
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Are you really surprised by this? Take us back 9 years ago and I guarantee that these people were up in arms that Clinton would lie about getting a blowjob from some fat ugly broad but they don't seem to care about Libby.
I'll never understand party line BS. Check out the response to your post on that Lancelot thread. The streets of Baghdad are littered with blown up bodies and gang/insurgent murders yet the Iraqi's were worse off under Hussein. ::)
And then check out that Olbermann thread and read the responses to that one. There are some beauties.
Cardio, those of us that live in realityville don't wear blinders and can see the bigger picture. I don't think that today wednesday the 7th of march 2007 that the Iraqi's are better off, but becasue we are there today.... this same date in 2017 the iraqi's will be much better off then if Saddam had stayed in power.
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No need to bet, if he gets convicted again after appeals he is sure to pardon him and rightfully so, he's a scapegoat, there are alot of other people named who stories conflicted that are on the left, but you don't see them being put through the ringer!
Who committed the crime here then?
If Libby is a scapegoat, who committed the deeds for which he is being blamed here?
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And if that were the case 240 I would feel exactly the same. Where is Berger though? I didn't see the GOP chasing him
Tell the GOP to do their fcking job then. I agree completely.
However, Libby did facilitate American CIA agents being put in danger. This is a fact. This is inexcusable. Anyone who lets party loyalties come before American CIA agents is a P.O.S, imo.
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Way to assume I feel this way because of party lines even though I have never stated my political affiliation. I wasn't on the clinton war path back in the day either.
MM69 you don;t have to state your political affiliation, it's more than obvious.
AND i wasn't accusing you of being on the Clinton Bashing wagon. I was simply making a comparison.
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MM69 you don;t have to state your political affiliation, it's more than obvious.
AND i wasn't accusing you of being on the Clinton Bashing wagon. I was simply making a comparison.
I'm glad in your opinion my political affiliation is appareant, but lets just say I have voted for the winning pres since I was old enough. (clinton, bush, bush) and the bush votes were less of 2 evil votes. I didn't want some crack head like gore or kerry as my boss.
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Cardio, those of us that live in realityville don't wear blinders and can see the bigger picture. I don't think that today wednesday the 7th of march 2007 that the Iraqi's are better off, but becasue we are there today.... this same date in 2017 the iraqi's will be much better off then if Saddam had stayed in power.
MM, I wasn't referring to you when I made that comment. I've read your comments on Iraq and I partially agree with you although I will say we don't know if they'll be better off in ten years. They might be worse off, no one knows.
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MM, I wasn't referring to you when I made that comment. I've read your comments on Iraq and I partially agree with you although I will say we don't know if they'll be better off in ten years. They might be worse off, no one knows.
agreed, I can't guarantee they will be better, but I would have to assume they will once they figure out how to govern themselves.
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I'm glad in your opinion my political affiliation is appareant, but lets just say I have voted for the winning pres since I was old enough. (clinton, bush, bush) and the bush votes were less of 2 evil votes. I didn't want some crack head like gore or kerry as my boss.
I sit corrected then.
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I sit corrected then.
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I know you think those two would have been better.... ain't no way dude
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I know you think those two would have been better.... ain't no way dude
Not GORE, and in retrospect maybe not Kerry although as much as i dislike BUSH a vote for kerry would only be a lesser of 2 evils, 2 very big evils.
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Not GORE, and in retrospect maybe not Kerry although as much as i dislike BUSH a vote for kerry would only be a lesser of 2 evils, 2 very big evils.
no sense looking backwards I guess