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the dumbest thing on earth, discuss.
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They work for people losing weight, can't argue with results... ;)
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They work for people losing weight, can't argue with results... ;)
they're not necessary for losing weight.
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I have been on the Palumbo diet for 4th day now ;D
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I have been on the Palumbo diet for 4th day now ;D
why?
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Just plain idiocity and stupidity eliminating carbohydrates.
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Just plain idiocity and stupidity eliminating carbohydrates.
hahahahaha, but these "bodybuilders" think they're going to get ripped , Adonis. ::)
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gayer than fat old guys in speedos on the beach next to a "CAUTION: power rescue boat training arear" sign
I just follow the TA diet myself. And look at meeeeeee!!!!
The sad thing is, I could actually help you from being a fat ass.
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why?
I saw pics of him and his clients and they all look skinless, they are very fucking lean.
So I am trying it !
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Low carbohydrate "diets" are....................t he dumbest thing on earth, discuss.
Which is why whenever a competitive bodybuilder needs to diet for a show, he cuts carbohydrates. ::)
You've been toking on TA's pipe or something.
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I saw pics of him and his clients and they all look skinless, they are very fucking lean.
So I am trying it !
don't you think the drugs have something to do with that?
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Which is why whenever a competitive bodybuilder needs to diet for a show, he cuts carbohydrates. ::)
You've been toking on TA's pipe or something.
This isn`t always the case.
Don`t be so stupid.
Caloric amount is the reason for someone getting lean.
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don't you think the drugs have something to do with that?
everybody take the same drugs
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All diets work. Some are more efficient, practical,optimal, economical and non-limiting.
Palumbo`s is not any of those.
It only works because with the successful elimination of an entire Macro-Nutrient, the overall caloric amount is reduced.
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I was eating with the women at the job today and they are following a "weightwatcher" plan.
they explained it to me and it looks a lot like the Adonis Principles
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All diets work. Some are more efficient, practical, economical and non-limiting.
Palumbo`s is not any of those.
It only works because with the successful elimination of an entire Macro-Nutrient, the overall caloric amount is reduced.
exactamundo, calories in vs. calories out.
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I was eating with the women at the job today and they are following a "weightwatcher" plan.
they explained it to me and it looks a lot like the Adonis Principles
I don`t have a point system. You can eat whatever you like. With my formula you can Predict on an individual basis, how many calories you need down to the Thousandth even. Plus with my formula, it is constantly being applied and re-evaluated and adjusts to any differeing change in metabolism or muscle increase.
No other diet offers this ability.
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I don`t have a point system. You can eat whatever you like. With my formula you can Predict on an individual basis, how many calories you need down to the Thousandth even. Plus with my formula, it is constantly being applied and re-evaluated and adjusts to any differeing change in metabolism or muscle increase.
No other diet offers this ability.
I know you don't have a point system but I was looking at that fat women eating all those pasta and she told me she could eat whatever she wants but she can't exeed 25 point a day.
so she must always have a certain limit of calories that can't be exeeded. that is her diet.
of course, those fat women keeps calculating everything and always eat more than they should anyway ;D
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TA you don't even care that I lost 32lbs on your diet :'(
ahh well, I'm gonna go get some McDonalds...sorry I haven't gotten to 4% yet like you -- I'm still working on it you bitch!!
you should get mustafa on the Adonis principles ;D
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I know you don't have a point system but I was looking at that fat women eating all those pasta and she told me she could eat whatever she wants but she can't exeed 25 point a day.
so she must always have a certain limit of calories that can't be exeeded. that is her diet.
of course, those fat women keeps calculating everything and always eat more than they should anyway ;D
That is how any diet works. Limits on Calories.
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the dumbest thing on earth, discuss.
And dangerous as well!
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All diets work. Some are more efficient, practical,optimal, economical and non-limiting.
... the first thing you said i actuall agree with... wow
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the dumbest thing on earth, discuss.
carbs do not need eliminating but I believe in carb timing - using carbs at the correct times. For breakfeast and before training/after training. Veggies should always be eaten though.
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nothing like starting a thread with the sole purpose of having TA fight with everyone on the site. someone is an attention whore.
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nothing like starting a thread with the sole purpose of having TA fight with everyone on the site. someone is an attention whore.
I thought you destroyed TA already "al" ? ::)
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carbs do not need eliminating but I believe in carb timing - using carbs at the correct times. For breakfeast and before training/after training. Veggies should always be eaten though.
Agree. And types of carbs, too. That's about it. Too easy. ;)
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exactamundo, calories in vs. calories out.
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All cals are NOT created equal though.
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exactamundo, calories in vs. calories out.
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All cals are NOT created equal though.
yes they are, tell me how they're "created" different.
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40 40 20
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im gonna go with palumbo on this one. Ketogenic diets work very well and allows the dieter to manipulate fullness at their own request.
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the adonis principles simply dont work for a guy on aas and peptides. Altered genetics would cause one to go catabolic on a diet like that. Increased protein synthesis, altered lipids and increased metabolism. That is where a protein req. is necessary. Just my 2 cents
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I eat enough Bruegger's Bagels and White Castle I might be a Jewish stoner, but I like to believe I still look significantly better than the 'average' American. Low carb has gotta be bullshit.
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All diets work.
.......but not for bodybuilding, why do you think your "principals" are original? this is nothing new, it's a theorie that's been around forever, it common freaking sense, you burn off more than you take in and lose weight.....pretty simple, huh?
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the dumbest thing on earth, discuss.
agreed actually
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Have had great success with them for close to 20 years. In fact it has worked everytime in getting a competitor ripped, full and dry. :)
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.......but not for bodybuilding, why do you think your "principals" are original? this is nothing new, it's a theorie that's been around forever, it common freaking sense, you burn off more than you take in and lose weight.....pretty simple, huh?
Again.
"Well, it works like this. I have come up with a formula that determines down to the exact limit of how much heat I release in a closed system. I have come up with this formula based solely on each individuals performance so Anyone is capable of doing this.
Here is a before and after. I haver ALWAYS been a hard trainer and have used conventional methods in the past regarding diet. I have gotten lean on the typical bodybuilder diet, but I also got WEAKER,more tired,felt awful and not to mention it is inconvenient,not economical or practical.
I got fat eating Chicken Breast and Oatmeal and eating clean, I got Ripped eating, Ice Cream and Krispy Kreme.
The idea of eating 700 lbs of meat(350 grams of protein a day for a year) to build about 48 ounces of muscle(about the lifetime natural limit`s average muscle building potential) is just an inefficient waste of heat energy. The body is an effecient processor and science dictates that eating in this manner is futile and pointless. This being based on the conversion of energy. It simply makes zero sense to put in 700 lbs of potential energy to convert into 48 ounces of a different form of stored potential energy. It does not add up!
Matter can neither be created nor destroyed so as you can see, most of this 700 lbs is just wasted potential energy.
Now my equation can be utilized by anyone to be whatever Bodyfat their heart desires at any given time. This means anyone can also hold whatever conditioning they want indefinitely since they know their heat values. They can adjust accordingly at any moment up or down to manipulate fat storage.....You can essentially pick a single date on the calendar and to the DAY, determine EXACTLY what bodyfat you will be.
I also do no cardio and lift about 3 or 4 days a week.
The best part is, you do this by eating whatever your heart desires. I like Burger King,Krispy Kreme,Cake and Cookies and Pizza. So that is what I eat. I also eat off the Food Network. And my favorite, Ice Cream! Everyday! hahah MY girlfriend is one hell of a cook and we like to pick up specials from the fish market as well. The choices are limitless....Whatever you want."
-The True Adonis
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30-40 White Castle sliders, awesomeness in a cardboard box.
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Again.
"Well, it works like this. I have come up with a formula that determines down to the exact limit of how much heat I release in a closed system. I have come up with this formula based solely on each individuals performance so Anyone is capable of doing this.
Here is a before and after. I haver ALWAYS been a hard trainer and have used conventional methods in the past regarding diet. I have gotten lean on the typical bodybuilder diet, but I also got WEAKER,more tired,felt awful and not to mention it is inconvenient,not economical or practical.
I got fat eating Chicken Breast and Oatmeal and eating clean, I got Ripped eating, Ice Cream and Krispy Kreme.
The idea of eating 700 lbs of meat(350 grams of protein a day for a year) to build about 48 ounces of muscle(about the lifetime natural limit`s average muscle building potential) is just an inefficient waste of heat energy. The body is an effecient processor and science dictates that eating in this manner is futile and pointless. This being based on the conversion of energy. It simply makes zero sense to put in 700 lbs of potential energy to convert into 48 ounces of a different form of stored potential energy. It does not add up!
Matter can neither be created nor destroyed so as you can see, most of this 700 lbs is just wasted potential energy.
Now my equation can be utilized by anyone to be whatever Bodyfat their heart desires at any given time. This means anyone can also hold whatever conditioning they want indefinitely since they know their heat values. They can adjust accordingly at any moment up or down to manipulate fat storage.....You can essentially pick a single date on the calendar and to the DAY, determine EXACTLY what bodyfat you will be.
I also do no cardio and lift about 3 or 4 days a week.
The best part is, you do this by eating whatever your heart desires. I like Burger King,Krispy Kreme,Cake and Cookies and Pizza. So that is what I eat. I also eat off the Food Network. And my favorite, Ice Cream! Everyday! hahah MY girlfriend is one hell of a cook and we like to pick up specials from the fish market as well. The choices are limitless....Whatever you want."
-The True Adonis
But where do the thousands and thousands of grams of sugar go as "potential energy"? You say that a lot of that meat would turn into waste gaining 48 oz of muscle. If you gain the same amount of muscle on simple sugars and fats, where is the excess waste product there? Isn't it the same?
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maybe TA cant afford a high protein diet ;D
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Have had great success with them for close to 20 years. In fact it has worked everytime in getting a competitor ripped, full and dry. :)
Thats bullcrap........accordin g to Adonis, you can just have Kamali cut back on the Krispy Creams and Big Macs and he'll be shredded....problem solved :-\!!
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Again.
"Well, it works like this. I have come up with a formula that determines down to the exact limit of how much heat I release in a closed system. I have come up with this formula based solely on each individuals performance so Anyone is capable of doing this.
Here is a before and after. I haver ALWAYS been a hard trainer and have used conventional methods in the past regarding diet. I have gotten lean on the typical bodybuilder diet, but I also got WEAKER,more tired,felt awful and not to mention it is inconvenient,not economical or practical.
I got fat eating Chicken Breast and Oatmeal and eating clean, I got Ripped eating, Ice Cream and Krispy Kreme.
The idea of eating 700 lbs of meat(350 grams of protein a day for a year) to build about 48 ounces of muscle(about the lifetime natural limit`s average muscle building potential) is just an inefficient waste of heat energy. The body is an effecient processor and science dictates that eating in this manner is futile and pointless. This being based on the conversion of energy. It simply makes zero sense to put in 700 lbs of potential energy to convert into 48 ounces of a different form of stored potential energy. It does not add up!
Matter can neither be created nor destroyed so as you can see, most of this 700 lbs is just wasted potential energy.
Now my equation can be utilized by anyone to be whatever Bodyfat their heart desires at any given time. This means anyone can also hold whatever conditioning they want indefinitely since they know their heat values. They can adjust accordingly at any moment up or down to manipulate fat storage.....You can essentially pick a single date on the calendar and to the DAY, determine EXACTLY what bodyfat you will be.
I also do no cardio and lift about 3 or 4 days a week.
The best part is, you do this by eating whatever your heart desires. I like Burger King,Krispy Kreme,Cake and Cookies and Pizza. So that is what I eat. I also eat off the Food Network. And my favorite, Ice Cream! Everyday! hahah MY girlfriend is one hell of a cook and we like to pick up specials from the fish market as well. The choices are limitless....Whatever you want."
-The True Adonis
Dude, this is spin...........you keep mentioning a "formula" but you don't (can't) say what the "formula" is.
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please explain how such a diet enables you to simultaneously BUILD muscle - because it sounds like it is just a cutting diet very similar to what Mentzer used to preach about dieting "a calorie is a calorie" - which as we all know is complete bullshit....
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The sad thing is, I could actually help you from being a fat ass.
sad thing is you think you are correct
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agree that low carb diets suck, I tried it once and I regret it. I have never been one to have issues with food. I dont get cravings, I can pass on desert, no problem. Dont have an addictive personality at all. No issues with food at all. Never understood the problems the people have sticking to diets. I thought they were undisiplined and cry babies.
Then I decided to do the Atkins thing, first 'diet' in my life, big mistake. I cut out a lot of carbs and next thing you know I was craving chocolate cake out of the blue, and I never even ate it much before. I thought I was going crazy. I became obsessed with carbs. My cravings were getting in the way of my day, I couldn't think straight. For the first time I understood what it meant to be addicted to something. I felt sorry for all the people that live with cravings, food or anything else. It was just awful. And the worst part is when I went back to a normal diet I still had the cravings. Its been a year now and I am finally getting back to normal. The diet screwed me up and I will never do any kind of specific type dieting where one food is left out. Once you fuck with your body like that it is hard to get back to normal.
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I don`t have a point system. You can eat whatever you like. With my formula you can Predict on an individual basis, how many calories you need down to the Thousandth even. Plus with my formula, it is constantly being applied and re-evaluated and adjusts to any differeing change in metabolism or muscle increase.
No other diet offers this ability.
You claim that you can eat whatever on "your" diet.
Basically the reason why traditional diets, low in fats and moderate in proteins, have failed over the years, are lack of satiety.
Because all cutting diets are based on the premise that you eat less than you use.
Here's an interesting article.
The results are what they are.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/3722221.stm
-Hedge
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I'm carb cycling as we speak. 3 low carb days (under 50 grams) and one loading day where I eat as much as I want WHEN I want. I've been on it for two weeks now and have already lost 6lbs to date without a loss of strength. When I do take my carbs in on the low carb days, just like boardsherriff said, I eat the before and immediately after a workout. I don't feel like a zombie and am noticing more and more cuts as the days go by. We'll find out wether or not I keep the weight off, but low card diets have their place.
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similar to what Mentzer used to preach about dieting "a calorie is a calorie" - which as we all know is complete bullshit....
Actually, it's not bullshit as long as you include an important caveat:
"Given adequate protein intake, a calorie is a calorie"
Hope this helps.
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I don't feel like a zombie
That's surprising, since 50g/carbs/day is low enough to put you in ketosis, yet three days isn't long enough to properly adapt to it. :-\
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That's surprising, since 50g/carbs/day is low enough to put you in ketosis, yet three days isn't long enough to properly adapt to it. :-\
Whatever I'm doing is working man. The first week it took two days to get into ketosis. The day AFTER my first loading day threw me right back into it. I'm losing about a lb or so every couple days. I haven't lost shit for strength yet but I'm still waiting for THAT shit to come down on me. Now that I think about it, this week I've gone 4 days and loading on the 5th. I went and extra day to see how THAT feels and our family is having a rather large get together with lots of eats. I figured I'd suffer for one more day to get a crack at some brisket and potato salad. I don't get cravings anymore either. I'm doing this on the advice from quite a few and am taking it with a grain of salt.
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Whatever I'm doing is working man. The first week it took two days to get into ketosis. The day AFTER my first loading day threw me right back into it. I'm losing about a lb or so every couple days. I haven't lost shit for strength yet but I'm still waiting for THAT shit to come down on me. Now that I think about it, this week I've gone 4 days and loading on the 5th. I went and extra day to see how THAT feels and our family is having a rather large get together with lots of eats. I figured I'd suffer for one more day to get a crack at some brisket and potato salad. I don't get cravings anymore either. I'm doing this on the advice from quite a few and am taking it with a grain of salt.
Carb cycling works ! I go low carbs on my cardio days (under 100 grams) and eat more carbs on my workout days (150 grams). Not as extreme as you, I have lost 5 pounds in the last 2 weeks - nice and gradual.
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Carb cycling works ! I go low carbs on my cardio days (under 100 grams) and eat more carbs on my workout days (150 grams). Not as extreme as you, I have lost 5 pounds in the last 2 weeks - nice and gradual.
Hell yeah man that's awesome. I put on weight really easy. So I've got to watch my input. 100grams of carbs? I take it you keep your fats low? ??? I didn't really worry about my fats too much because I want my body to be looking to them as the fuel source instead of zero fat and zero carb where it ravages every fucking muscle in the body for energy. Nice and gradual is right. I'm told that's the way to do it to minimize muscle loss. Right now I'm 223 this morning and my doc says I'm at 13%. Not stellar, but getting there. Hopefully I'll be about 10-11% by the end of march.
At what times of the day are you loading your carbs when you take them in?
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I thought you destroyed TA already "al" ? ::)
when did I claim that? I know some things, don't know if they're true but people have given me information. If it is true than it's a more pathetic situation than anyone here thinks.
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agree that low carb diets suck, I tried it once and I regret it. I have never been one to have issues with food. I dont get cravings, I can pass on desert, no problem. Dont have an addictive personality at all. No issues with food at all. Never understood the problems the people have sticking to diets. I thought they were undisiplined and cry babies.
Then I decided to do the Atkins thing, first 'diet' in my life, big mistake. I cut out a lot of carbs and next thing you know I was craving chocolate cake out of the blue, and I never even ate it much before. I thought I was going crazy. I became obsessed with carbs. My cravings were getting in the way of my day, I couldn't think straight. For the first time I understood what it meant to be addicted to something. I felt sorry for all the people that live with cravings, food or anything else. It was just awful. And the worst part is when I went back to a normal diet I still had the cravings. Its been a year now and I am finally getting back to normal. The diet screwed me up and I will never do any kind of specific type dieting where one food is left out. Once you fuck with your body like that it is hard to get back to normal.
If you want to lose weight fast than I feel there is no better diet than low carbs. I have personally eaten low carb (lean meats and protein sources, vegetables, and very little nuts and blueberries) and dropped 20 something pounds in a month.
The benefit of this diet was being able to eat until full thanks to the vegetables, but the cravings for carb foods eventually wears you down and makes you give in.
TA's diet would likely make you stop eating without getting full at all. It would be difficult to stop after 1 cheeseburger or a 1/4 cup of ice cream meal after meal.
I believe the best diet would be a combination of the two. Try to eat only lean protein sources, vegetables, fruits, etc and when you do have the strong cravings to go out and have one quarterpounder or a 1/2 cup of ice cream or something. Or allow yourself 6 servings (could be any number) of low calorie, unhealthy, carb meals like a quarterpounder a week and not go over this number - kind of like the weight watcher point system, but you only have to keep track of the number of cheat meals and not everything you eat.
The keys to this diet are to make sure your healthy meals are truly healthy and to make sure your cheat meals don't go over 500 calories or some arbitrary self chosen caloric limit.
If you eat healthy 80 to 90 percent of the time you will probably be healthy. Unhealthy people eat unhealthy meals 90% of the time and usually have other destructive vices like alcohol and cigerettes and the like.
the problem with most dieters and bodybuilders and myself included is that we tend to take things to extremes. If we are dieting then gosh darn it we ain't going to eat a single bad food and not going over 2000 calories and this is a setup for failure.
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If you want to lose weight fast than I feel there is no better diet than low carbs. I have personally eaten low carb (lean meats and protein sources, vegetables, and very little nuts and blueberries) and dropped 20 something pounds in a month.
The benefit of this diet was being able to eat until full thanks to the vegetables, but the cravings for carb foods eventually wears you down and makes you give in.
TA's diet would likely make you stop eating without getting full at all. It would be difficult to stop after 1 cheeseburger or a 1/4 cup of ice cream meal after meal.
I believe the best diet would be a combination of the two. Try to eat only lean protein sources, vegetables, fruits, etc and when you do have the strong cravings to go out and have one quarterpounder or a 1/2 cup of ice cream or something. Or allow yourself 6 servings (could be any number) of low calorie, unhealthy, carb meals like a quarterpounder a week and not go over this number - kind of like the weight watcher point system, but you only have to keep track of the number of cheat meals and not everything you eat.
The keys to this diet are to make sure your healthy meals are truly healthy and to make sure your cheat meals don't go over 500 calories or some arbitrary self chosen caloric limit.
If you eat healthy 80 to 90 percent of the time you will probably be healthy. Unhealthy people eat unhealthy meals 90% of the time and usually have other destructive vices like alcohol and cigerettes and the like.
the problem with most dieters and bodybuilders and myself included is that we tend to take things to extremes. If we are dieting then gosh darn it we ain't going to eat a single bad food and not going over 2000 calories and this is a setup for failure.
I believe that's called healthy eating...no big secret there. ;) ;D
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Hell yeah man that's awesome. I put on weight really easy. So I've got to watch my input. 100grams of carbs? I take it you keep your fats low? ??? I didn't really worry about my fats too much because I want my body to be looking to them as the fuel source instead of zero fat and zero carb where it ravages every fucking muscle in the body for energy. Nice and gradual is right. I'm told that's the way to do it to minimize muscle loss. Right now I'm 223 this morning and my doc says I'm at 13%. Not stellar, but getting there. Hopefully I'll be about 10-11% by the end of march.
At what times of the day are you loading your carbs when you take them in?
I don't worry about fat at all - but I would sat they are approx 40 - 50 grams per day :D all my fats are from Olive/flax plus a few eggs/nuts...I take my carbs at breakfast and about 1.5 hrs before training and 1 hour after training...I then eat green veggies at lunch and supper...
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I guess its about finding the least amount of carbs you can eat without getting cravings. But once you get the cravings they don't leave for a while.
Anyone know whats the deal with fruit? Is it a simple sugar of complex. I wonder if eating fruit is really unhealthy. Might as well just eat sugar foods and a vitamin c tablet right?
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I don't worry about fat at all - but I would sat they are approx 40 - 50 grams per day :D all my fats are from Olive/flax plus a few eggs/nuts...I take my carbs at breakfast and about 1.5 hrs before training and 1 hour after training...I then eat green veggies at lunch and supper...
I thought about taking some in at breakfast but I figured i'd burn more fat If i did it pre and post workout and hit ketosis faster. Yeah if you eat up those hearty greens, you'll feel full just like you would on carbs without the bloat.
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i dont see why anyone would diet unless they were competing... everyone makes this so complex,,, just eat balanced meals, protein, carbs and fats and adjust them accordongly to accumplish whatever your tryin to do... last time i competed i was having 120g sweet potatoe 7 times per day and was still shredded,,, better to feed the machine and do extra work than starve imo
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I guess its about finding the least amount of carbs you can eat without getting cravings. But once you get the cravings they don't leave for a while.
Anyone know whats the deal with fruit? Is it a simple sugar of complex. I wonder if eating fruit is really unhealthy. Might as well just eat sugar foods and a vitamin c tablet right?
Yeah that's the case with fruit but it's got alot of good shit in it and it's unprocessed. Fresh anyway. You should try chowing down on some freshpinapple. That shits tasty! This is what I would suggest when it comes to finding the "carb threshold" Where you find out what keeps you in ketosis and what kicks you out. Get DEEP into ketosis for a few days then slowly bring the carbs up. If you start gaining weight again, back off. If you're still losing, bring it up about 10 carbs every few days.
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i dont see why anyone would diet unless they were competing... everyone makes this so complex,,, just eat balanced meals, protein, carbs and fats and adjust them accordongly to accumplish whatever your tryin to do... last time i competed i was having 120g sweet potatoe 7 times per day and was still shredded,,, better to feed the machine and do extra work than starve imo
You can diet and not starve. What gave you that idea? But you're right. If you do it right to begin with you won't have to diet. But when it comes to putting on size and muscle mass easily, you've got to put the food down and that means you're going to gain some fat to, so a cutting diet has it's place just like everything else. If you're just trying to stay fit and don't really care about this or that, then yeah a well balanced diet is what you need to do. OBVIOUSLY. Some of our time schedules dont' permit the kind of extra work it would take for me to cover 7 sweet potatoes, other foods, and still cut. It's all about finding out what works for you. Diet is just another form of training, just like trying new routines, etc. Get what works for you and go with it. I don't starve and I'm dieting. I eat typically 8-9 pieces of chicken, 8 eggs or more whole eggs, veggies til I puke, and when i'm sick of chicken...I normally eat about 4 lean steaks a day. If you're eating every couple of hours like you should be anyway, you won't feel hungry at all.
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Yeah that's the case with fruit but it's got alot of good shit in it and it's unprocessed. Fresh anyway. You should try chowing down on some freshpinapple. That shits tasty! This is what I would suggest when it comes to finding the "carb threshold" Where you find out what keeps you in ketosis and what kicks you out. Get DEEP into ketosis for a few days then slowly bring the carbs up. If you start gaining weight again, back off. If you're still losing, bring it up about 10 carbs every few days.
whats ketosis? I'm to lazy to google it.
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when your body turns to using fat for fuel instead of carbs.
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whats ketosis? I'm to lazy to google it.
Here's the short version:
Most cells in your body can use either glucose (carbs) or free fatty acids for energy. Your brain can't. It must have glucose to function, although it can partially adapt to using ketone bodies which can be produced by the liver from fat. Your brain's glucose requirement is ~100g of carbs a day. If you eat less than that, and your glycogen (carb) storage in the liver is depleted, your brain won't have enough glucose to function. In the short term, the body creates additional glucose from protein via glucogenesis, but in the long-term it makes a metabolic shift by producing ketones from fat for the brain to use, sparing muscle protein and allowing you to pretty much run on all fat at very low calorie levels. When your liver is producing ketones, you are said to be "in ketosis".
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Anyone know whats the deal with fruit? Is it a simple sugar of complex. I wonder if eating fruit is really unhealthy. Might as well just eat sugar foods and a vitamin c tablet right?
It tastes good, and will help you shit...eat it :P
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Here's the short version:
Most cells in your body can use either glucose (carbs) or free fatty acids for energy. Your brain can't. It must have glucose to function, although it can partially adapt to using ketone bodies which can be produced by the liver from fat. Your brain's glucose requirement is ~100g of carbs a day. If you eat less than that, and your glycogen (carb) storage in the liver is depleted, your brain won't have enough glucose to function. In the short term, the body creates additional glucose from protein via glucogenesis, but in the long-tern it makes a metabolic shift by producing ketones from fat for the brain to use, sparing muscle protein and allowing you to pretty much run on all fat at very low calorie levels. When your liver is producing ketones, you are said to be "in ketosis".
Great post man
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thanks but it sounds dangerous. How long can one go in this state?
also what is 100g of carbs approx...llike one bowl of pasta?
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thanks but it sounds dangerous. How long can one go in this state?
also what is 100g of carbs approx...llike one bowl of pasta?
two bowls would cover it. 100 carbs isn't alot. Dont' worry about it being too dangerous. If it was bad, you'd be hearing people sueing the ass of anything atkins related or low carb anything. I would say try it and see how it makes you feel I feel fine. Normally you'll tire faster but that's all I've seen. There have been one or two times where I felt light headed and super weak in which case I took down some juice and wheat bread to get me back in gear but that hasn't happened since I keep a steady supply of food in me.
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Again.
"Well, it works like this. I have come up with a formula that determines down to the exact limit of how much heat I release in a closed system. I have come up with this formula based solely on each individuals performance so Anyone is capable of doing this.
Here is a before and after. I haver ALWAYS been a hard trainer and have used conventional methods in the past regarding diet. I have gotten lean on the typical bodybuilder diet, but I also got WEAKER,more tired,felt awful and not to mention it is inconvenient,not economical or practical.
I got fat eating Chicken Breast and Oatmeal and eating clean, I got Ripped eating, Ice Cream and Krispy Kreme.
The idea of eating 700 lbs of meat(350 grams of protein a day for a year) to build about 48 ounces of muscle(about the lifetime natural limit`s average muscle building potential) is just an inefficient waste of heat energy. The body is an effecient processor and science dictates that eating in this manner is futile and pointless. This being based on the conversion of energy. It simply makes zero sense to put in 700 lbs of potential energy to convert into 48 ounces of a different form of stored potential energy. It does not add up!
Matter can neither be created nor destroyed so as you can see, most of this 700 lbs is just wasted potential energy.
Now my equation can be utilized by anyone to be whatever Bodyfat their heart desires at any given time. This means anyone can also hold whatever conditioning they want indefinitely since they know their heat values. They can adjust accordingly at any moment up or down to manipulate fat storage.....You can essentially pick a single date on the calendar and to the DAY, determine EXACTLY what bodyfat you will be.
I also do no cardio and lift about 3 or 4 days a week.
The best part is, you do this by eating whatever your heart desires. I like Burger King,Krispy Kreme,Cake and Cookies and Pizza. So that is what I eat. I also eat off the Food Network. And my favorite, Ice Cream! Everyday! hahah MY girlfriend is one hell of a cook and we like to pick up specials from the fish market as well. The choices are limitless....Whatever you want."
-The True Adonis
where do you get this fake assed number of 48 ounces of muscle?
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thanks but it sounds dangerous. How long can one go in this state?
Forever, if desired.
Unlike protein and essential fatty acids, carbohydrates are not an essential nutrient. The Eskimos survive on a ketogenic diet consisting exclusively of seal meat and blubber their entire lives and tend to be in far better health than your typical civilized westerner.
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All diets work. Some are more efficient, practical,optimal, economical and non-limiting.
Palumbo`s is not any of those.
It only works because with the successful elimination of an entire Macro-Nutrient, the overall caloric amount is reduced.
I find it amusing that a couple of months ago myself and a few other board members here told you that all you are doing is manipulating total calories, drastically reducing them. You fired back that we were wrong and that we would see, when your principles were released. Guess what, no principles released yet, and now you are speaking on calorie reduction. I often feel bad for people like you that create there own sub-reality, and lie to themselves constantly. If you ever leave step into the world the rest of us live in it will be really damaging to you. Take care of yourself.
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The sad thing is, I could actually help you from being a fat ass.
Adonis.. Step on stage !! It's so obvious ...You're methods ..will get you in such great condition..You'll blow every competitor off the stage ..!!??
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But where do the thousands and thousands of grams of sugar go as "potential energy"? You say that a lot of that meat would turn into waste gaining 48 oz of muscle. If you gain the same amount of muscle on simple sugars and fats, where is the excess waste product there? Isn't it the same?
Glycogen will ALWAYS get used.
My diet is not overeating. Everything will be used accordingly.
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I believe that's called healthy eating...no big secret there. ;) ;D
dammnnn!
and I thought I found the undiscovered truth
I guess I will have to climb out from under my rock more often
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I guess its about finding the least amount of carbs you can eat without getting cravings. But once you get the cravings they don't leave for a while.
Anyone know whats the deal with fruit? Is it a simple sugar of complex. I wonder if eating fruit is really unhealthy. Might as well just eat sugar foods and a vitamin c tablet right?
I believe and I am no doctor or scientist, that fruit sugar, fructose, acts just like common table sugar inside your body, however fruit does deliver high nutrition and anti-oxidants and is fairly low caloric and should be part of a healthy diet. Just my Opinion.
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You can diet and not starve. What gave you that idea? But you're right. If you do it right to begin with you won't have to diet. But when it comes to putting on size and muscle mass easily, you've got to put the food down and that means you're going to gain some fat to, so a cutting diet has it's place just like everything else. If you're just trying to stay fit and don't really care about this or that, then yeah a well balanced diet is what you need to do. OBVIOUSLY. Some of our time schedules dont' permit the kind of extra work it would take for me to cover 7 sweet potatoes, other foods, and still cut. It's all about finding out what works for you. Diet is just another form of training, just like trying new routines, etc. Get what works for you and go with it. I don't starve and I'm dieting. I eat typically 8-9 pieces of chicken, 8 eggs or more whole eggs, veggies til I puke, and when i'm sick of chicken...I normally eat about 4 lean steaks a day. If you're eating every couple of hours like you should be anyway, you won't feel hungry at all.
How is eating 8-9 pieces of chicken or 4 lean steaks and 8 eggs dieting? what are your portion sizes?
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Just when I think I know what im talking about or doing....I read Getbig and am lost! :P
I just want to maintain muscle and LOSE fat on the cheapest way possible.
Im still confused as to go low carb with green beans etc each meal (which sux)
or balance with fruits , potatoes and healthy foods (which is apparently the slowest method?)
or eat really cheap food like luncheon , sausages , white rice (adnois styles but is unhealthy?) which would save me lots of money
and keep all 3 different diets at 2000 cals....
>:(
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If you eat 2000 calories a day as a man, you will lose weight no matter how your macronutrients are lined up. If you want to keep the most muscle then you should make sure your protein intake is fairly high and not lose weight to quickly.
I can uderstand trying to eat on a budget. Economical foods I recommend are eggs, top round steak, tuna in a can, chicken, rice, potatoes; a lot of vegetables are not that expensive like lettuce, cucumbers, broccoli, zucchini, mushrooms; fruits can be expensive but grapes, bananas and apples aren't too bad.
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agree that low carb diets suck, I tried it once and I regret it. I have never been one to have issues with food. I dont get cravings, I can pass on desert, no problem. Dont have an addictive personality at all. No issues with food at all. Never understood the problems the people have sticking to diets. I thought they were undisiplined and cry babies.
Then I decided to do the Atkins thing, first 'diet' in my life, big mistake. I cut out a lot of carbs and next thing you know I was craving chocolate cake out of the blue, and I never even ate it much before. I thought I was going crazy. I became obsessed with carbs. My cravings were getting in the way of my day, I couldn't think straight. For the first time I understood what it meant to be addicted to something. I felt sorry for all the people that live with cravings, food or anything else. It was just awful. And the worst part is when I went back to a normal diet I still had the cravings. Its been a year now and I am finally getting back to normal. The diet screwed me up and I will never do any kind of specific type dieting where one food is left out. Once you fuck with your body like that it is hard to get back to normal.
Dude would you be able to post your current diet?
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If you want to keep the most muscle then you should make sure your protein intake is fairly high and not lose weight to quickly.
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Another thing...whats the arguement at these days for a natural intake of protein for an athlete?
Adonis how much protein do you believe is required?
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probably 2 grams per pound of bodyweight for a bodybuilder though many will say this is too much
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probably 2 grams per pound of bodyweight for a bodybuilder though many will say this is too much
That's too much.
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Low carb diets work for some and not others.
I have tried them twice, and I can only last a week before my performance in the gym just suffers to much. Not only do I lose physical strength due to glycogen depletion, but I also mentally fatigue as well.
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It cannot be argued that low-carb diets are not superior for pure fat-loss (yes I said that right!). When you're body makes the "metabolic switch" to burn fat instead of carbs, as its primary source of fuel... I don't know, DUH!?!?!
Fat loss comes fast, and not much can slow it down, as long as your body doesn't "switch back" to a carb burning metabolism.
And don't think that I'm ALL FOR LOW-CARB DIETS, because I'm definitely NOT!
Just like any diet, where you lose lots of weight quickly, the possibility for rebound weight-gain exists. And it exists BIG-TIME with low-carb diets. Because you deprive yourself of all the foods you love so much, you tend to binge on them as soon as you can. And when you do, you'll see yourself gain back everything you lost in record time!
Going from a normal diet to a low-carb diet doesn't take much transitioning - in fact, the quicker you make the shift, the better. However, switching back is much, much trickier. You MUST gradually, and very gradually, increase your daily carb intake; and at the same time lower your fat intake.
Another note on low-carb diets: they MUST be "Low Carb/High Fat"... NOT "Low Carb/Low Fat!!!!!" Your body can not make the metabolic shift to a fat-burning metabolism if you do not eat a sufficient amount of fat (like 40-60% of total calories). If you try to do a "Low Carb/Low Fat/High Protein" diet, you'll just be tricking your body into thinking that "Protein" is your primary source of fuel and you'll eat away muscle faster than anything.
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How is eating 8-9 pieces of chicken or 4 lean steaks and 8 eggs dieting? what are your portion sizes?
whole chicken breasts is the typical portion..i just go by what's listed on teh bag. I know it's generalized but compared to what I WAS putting down, this is eating light.
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It cannot be argued that low-carb diets are not superior for pure fat-loss (yes I said that right!). When you're body makes the "metabolic switch" to burn fat instead of carbs, as its primary source of fuel... I don't know, DUH!?!?!
Fat loss comes fast, and not much can slow it down, as long as your body doesn't "switch back" to a carb burning metabolism.
And don't think that I'm ALL FOR LOW-CARB DIETS, because I'm definitely NOT!
Just like any diet, where you lose lots of weight quickly, the possibility for rebound weight-gain exists. And it exists BIG-TIME with low-carb diets. Because you deprive yourself of all the foods you love so much, you tend to binge on them as soon as you can. And when you do, you'll see yourself gain back everything you lost in record time!
Going from a normal diet to a low-carb diet doesn't take much transitioning - in fact, the quicker you make the shift, the better. However, switching back is much, much trickier. You MUST gradually, and very gradually, increase your daily carb intake; and at the same time lower your fat intake.
Another note on low-carb diets: they MUST be "Low Carb/High Fat"... NOT "Low Carb/Low Fat!!!!!" Your body can not make the metabolic shift to a fat-burning metabolism if you do not eat a sufficient amount of fat (like 40-60% of total calories). If you try to do a "Low Carb/Low Fat/High Protein" diet, you'll just be tricking your body into thinking that "Protein" is your primary source of fuel and you'll eat away muscle faster than anything.
In theory the low carbohydrate diet is the ultimate fat loss solution.
Note I say "in theory"
I have given the low carb two chances myself and it just doesn't work for me becuase my body just cannot function optimally without the carbs, I can't train optimally, and this leads me to be weaker, and ultimately lose muscle.
For some people, they can handle the low carb...
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I cant believe im asking this...but let me see the adonis diet...where can i look at it?
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the dumbest thing on earth, discuss.
maybe you should reconsider this ;D
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