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Getbig Bodybuilding Boards => Nutrition, Products & Supplements Info => Topic started by: Matt C on March 11, 2007, 03:35:50 PM
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I was gung-ho about getting back into it and applying the following:
- Adonis nutrition principles
- Milos' gym principles
- Gaspari SIZEON / Betancourt Nutrition High C
Then speaking with TA and McFarland about this, I can't believe some of the stuff being said. They are suggesting I drop 20-40 pounds to gain muscle. ???
Discuss.
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I was gung-ho about getting back into it and applying the following:
- Adonis nutrition principles
- Milos' gym principles
- Gaspari SIZEON / Betancourt Nutrition High C
Then speaking with TA and a friend about this, I can't believe some of the stuff being said. They are suggesting I drop 20-40 pounds to gain muscle. ???
Discuss.
post a current pic and your current work out and dietary habits
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Matt, can you tell me the difference between the Adonis principles and the Weight Watchers Flex program?
Flex program
The Flex system is, in essence, a simple way to quantify a participant's caloric intake and energy expenditure. Various servings of food are assigned a specific number of points, and various types of exercise are assigned negative numbers of points; a program participant is allocated a certain number of points per day, with that number based on the individual's current weight and weight goals.
The effect of this is that the participant is not restricted from eating any specific type of food, but they must stay under their total point value for the week. This stands in marked contrast to diet approaches such as the South Beach diet or the Atkins diet, under which some foods are completely forbidden and others are permitted in theoretically unlimited amounts. The participant's ability to factor exercise into the plan increases its flexibility: the participant can eat more points as long as they offset them with exercise, or eat fewer points if they prefer not to exercise.
Many Weight Watchers proponents enjoy the Flex system precisely because no food is out of bounds, as long as it is eaten in moderation, and because exercise can be factored in. (In the UK, Weight Watchers advertises under the slogan "Where no food is a sin"; this is a reference to its chief competitor Slimming World's system of giving some food "sin" values.) Others, however, dislike the record-keeping that the plan imposes on the participant, who must essentially keep track of the points value of everything they eat; they prefer other plans that place restrictions on types of food rather than amounts of food.
[edit] The POINTS formula
The formula for calculating the POINTS content of a specific food serving uses a formula described in US Patent 6,040,531:
p(c,f,r) = \frac{c}{50} + \frac{f}{12} - \frac{\min\{r,4\}}{5}
Where p is the number of points, c is the number of calories, f is the grams of fat, and r is the grams of dietary fiber (if the dietary fiber is greater than four, use four). The POINTS value is always an integer, with fractional values rounded to the nearest point. (An alternative format, mentioned in the patent and used on some websites, rounds values to the nearest half-point.)
The above formula can be expressed in OpenOffice.org Calc as follows:
=(B1/50)+(B2/12)-(IF(B3>4;4;B3)/5)
Where B1 is calories, B2 is fat in grams, and B3 is fibre.
This looks very complicated, but it should be emphasized that new U.S. members are given a cardboard slide rule: by reading the U.S. nutrition label on any food package and quickly adjusting three of the slide rule scales for Calories, Fat, and Fiber, the points are easily determined by inspection of the fourth scale.
A small paperback book is available for purchase that lists thousands of foods for sale in Fast Food outlets, restaurant chains, and even generic restaurant foods, e.g. "Mexican: Refried Beans, 1/2 cup" and the corresponding point value. This is for use in cases where the nutritional label is not available.
An early version of the POINTS system did not limit the fiber "credit" to four grams. Another variation, which may be explained by rounding, is that the "POINTSfinder" manual calculator distributed at Weight Watchers meetings does not reach a POINTS value of 2 until after 70 calories have been reached, rather than 50 as the formula would indicate. As a result, point boundaries are 20 calories (or 4.8 fat grams) higher than might be expected. Though the patent mentions possibly using 70 rather than 50 as the single point baseline, that method is said to be intended for use by dieters who do not use fiber as a "point enhancer" (reducer).
More recent versions of the program, such as that described in US Patent 6,878,885, take exercise and physical activity into account to grant additional points in the daily allowance.
In Europe and some other areas or countries, including Australia and New Zealand, the nutrition labels are markedly different; in particular they normally show kiljoules rather than calories, and may not include fibre. Thus, the POINTS formula varies and it calculated only from energy (as kilojoules) and saturated fat. This formula is expressed in UK Patent 2302605 as:
p = \frac{e}{k1} + \frac{f}{k2}
Where a is the number of points, b is the energy value, and zx is the grams of saturated fat. The constants are k1 and k2 are described as such: k1 is chosen so that the points target will be in the low tens. If the energy value is to be entered in calories, then k2 will be within the range of k1/35 and k1/10, ideally k1/17.5. If the energy value is defined in kilojoules, then the value of k2 will be between k1/146.7 and k1/41.8, ideally being k1/72.8.
A practical implementation of this formula for a kilojoule-based calculation appears to be:
p = \frac{e}{300} + \frac{f}{4.12}
The resultant value, p is then rounded to the nearest half.
[edit] Plans
[edit] The Core Plan
In part as a response to the popularity of plans like Atkins and South Beach, Weight Watchers has recently developed a separate plan, known as the Core Plan. This plan classifies certain types of food as "core," and permits participants to eat core foods with the restriction that they should only eat these foods "until satisfied, not full." Core foods are a list of healthy foods from all the food groups, including fruits, vegetables, fat free dairy, lean meats, and whole grains. Non-core foods are assigned the usual point values, and participants are given an allottment of 35 non-core points that they can eat in a week.
[edit] The Flex Plan
Under this plan, participants are assigned a set number of points to consume per day based on their current weight. The number of points allowed may be increased with exercise. The "Flex" part of the plan is that several additional points are allotted (which is not based on weight) that can be used or not used during the week.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weight_Watchers
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I didn't suggest that you "start the Adonis principles" necessarily. I said that you should drop your bodyweight to 160 and in the process find a way to move more weight per unit time during your workouts because in doing so you will carry, at 160, more muscle than you currently carry at a bodyweight of 180.
I didn't say to eat clean, and I didn't say to eat dirty. I didn't say to do it with no effort, and I didn't say you should suffer. I said FIND A WAY to get to 160. It will involve either unrestricted activity levels, restricted eating, or some combination of the 2.
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I've seen pictures of Matt C.
You people suggesting he drop to 160 are out of your minds. He says he's current 195 so I say he should lose about 15 pounds.
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I thought you said you weighed 195 in the pictures you posted.
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I have no current gym pics, just some bar pics from last night and the pics from the Arnold and I look like shit. Take my old pics and take away probably 20 pounds in the same condition. I haven't stepped on a scale in months though. My diet is ok, but lower in calories then before and I dropped weight.
I wanted to get at least back to my old current weight of 200 then maybe shoot for 210.
Why don't you do apply Matt C principles?
I'm sure you picked up adequate nutrition knowledge over the years, as well as training experience.
Why not put all of that experience to use?
If you need a good book, try Sports Nutrition by Ron Maughan.
Just reading about veggies and stuff on bodybuilding.com will do as well. 8)
You've benched 315 lbs for reps, so I'm sure you know enough as it is.
-Hedge
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Lift heavy weights. Eat alot of protein. 30 mins cardio a day. Why make things harder than they have to be?
Do not under ANY circumstances follow 'the Adonis principles'. Do you really want to end up looking like him or 'buttsuck'?
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I've seen pictures of Matt C.
You people suggesting he drop to 160 are out of your minds. He says he's current 195 so I say he should lose about 15 pounds.
He said he's currently 180 in this picture taken at the Arnold. He says he's 5'9". IMO, he cannot go wrong (if his goal is to carry more muscle AND look better if right) getting to 160 while working his ass off with an appreciable amount of resistance training involved.
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195-205, depending on the picture. In the back double biceps picture for example, I was 197.
HOW MUCH DO YOU WEIGH IN THAT PICTURE MATT.
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Matt, can you tell me the difference between the Adonis principles and the Weight Watchers Flex program?
Flex program
The Flex system is, in essence, a simple way to quantify a participant's caloric intake and energy expenditure. Various servings of food are assigned a specific number of points, and various types of exercise are assigned negative numbers of points; a program participant is allocated a certain number of points per day, with that number based on the individual's current weight and weight goals.
The effect of this is that the participant is not restricted from eating any specific type of food, but they must stay under their total point value for the week. This stands in marked contrast to diet approaches such as the South Beach diet or the Atkins diet, under which some foods are completely forbidden and others are permitted in theoretically unlimited amounts. The participant's ability to factor exercise into the plan increases its flexibility: the participant can eat more points as long as they offset them with exercise, or eat fewer points if they prefer not to exercise.
Many Weight Watchers proponents enjoy the Flex system precisely because no food is out of bounds, as long as it is eaten in moderation, and because exercise can be factored in. (In the UK, Weight Watchers advertises under the slogan "Where no food is a sin"; this is a reference to its chief competitor Slimming World's system of giving some food "sin" values.) Others, however, dislike the record-keeping that the plan imposes on the participant, who must essentially keep track of the points value of everything they eat; they prefer other plans that place restrictions on types of food rather than amounts of food.
[edit] The POINTS formula
The formula for calculating the POINTS content of a specific food serving uses a formula described in US Patent 6,040,531:
p(c,f,r) = \frac{c}{50} + \frac{f}{12} - \frac{\min\{r,4\}}{5}
Where p is the number of points, c is the number of calories, f is the grams of fat, and r is the grams of dietary fiber (if the dietary fiber is greater than four, use four). The POINTS value is always an integer, with fractional values rounded to the nearest point. (An alternative format, mentioned in the patent and used on some websites, rounds values to the nearest half-point.)
The above formula can be expressed in OpenOffice.org Calc as follows:
=(B1/50)+(B2/12)-(IF(B3>4;4;B3)/5)
Where B1 is calories, B2 is fat in grams, and B3 is fibre.
This looks very complicated, but it should be emphasized that new U.S. members are given a cardboard slide rule: by reading the U.S. nutrition label on any food package and quickly adjusting three of the slide rule scales for Calories, Fat, and Fiber, the points are easily determined by inspection of the fourth scale.
A small paperback book is available for purchase that lists thousands of foods for sale in Fast Food outlets, restaurant chains, and even generic restaurant foods, e.g. "Mexican: Refried Beans, 1/2 cup" and the corresponding point value. This is for use in cases where the nutritional label is not available.
An early version of the POINTS system did not limit the fiber "credit" to four grams. Another variation, which may be explained by rounding, is that the "POINTSfinder" manual calculator distributed at Weight Watchers meetings does not reach a POINTS value of 2 until after 70 calories have been reached, rather than 50 as the formula would indicate. As a result, point boundaries are 20 calories (or 4.8 fat grams) higher than might be expected. Though the patent mentions possibly using 70 rather than 50 as the single point baseline, that method is said to be intended for use by dieters who do not use fiber as a "point enhancer" (reducer).
More recent versions of the program, such as that described in US Patent 6,878,885, take exercise and physical activity into account to grant additional points in the daily allowance.
In Europe and some other areas or countries, including Australia and New Zealand, the nutrition labels are markedly different; in particular they normally show kiljoules rather than calories, and may not include fibre. Thus, the POINTS formula varies and it calculated only from energy (as kilojoules) and saturated fat. This formula is expressed in UK Patent 2302605 as:
p = \frac{e}{k1} + \frac{f}{k2}
Where a is the number of points, b is the energy value, and zx is the grams of saturated fat. The constants are k1 and k2 are described as such: k1 is chosen so that the points target will be in the low tens. If the energy value is to be entered in calories, then k2 will be within the range of k1/35 and k1/10, ideally k1/17.5. If the energy value is defined in kilojoules, then the value of k2 will be between k1/146.7 and k1/41.8, ideally being k1/72.8.
A practical implementation of this formula for a kilojoule-based calculation appears to be:
p = \frac{e}{300} + \frac{f}{4.12}
The resultant value, p is then rounded to the nearest half.
[edit] Plans
[edit] The Core Plan
In part as a response to the popularity of plans like Atkins and South Beach, Weight Watchers has recently developed a separate plan, known as the Core Plan. This plan classifies certain types of food as "core," and permits participants to eat core foods with the restriction that they should only eat these foods "until satisfied, not full." Core foods are a list of healthy foods from all the food groups, including fruits, vegetables, fat free dairy, lean meats, and whole grains. Non-core foods are assigned the usual point values, and participants are given an allottment of 35 non-core points that they can eat in a week.
[edit] The Flex Plan
Under this plan, participants are assigned a set number of points to consume per day based on their current weight. The number of points allowed may be increased with exercise. The "Flex" part of the plan is that several additional points are allotted (which is not based on weight) that can be used or not used during the week.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weight_Watchers
Point system is INNACCURATE.
Now for the 4985349583489534 Time.
Fucking READ
Again.
"Well, it works like this. I have come up with a formula that determines down to the exact limit of how much heat I release in a closed system. I have come up with this formula based solely on each individuals performance so Anyone is capable of doing this.
Here is a before and after. I haver ALWAYS been a hard trainer and have used conventional methods in the past regarding diet. I have gotten lean on the typical bodybuilder diet, but I also got WEAKER,more tired,felt awful and not to mention it is inconvenient,not economical or practical.
I got fat eating Chicken Breast and Oatmeal and eating clean, I got Ripped eating, Ice Cream and Krispy Kreme.
The idea of eating 700 lbs of meat(350 grams of protein a day for a year) to build about 48 ounces of muscle(about the lifetime natural limit`s average muscle building potential) is just an inefficient waste of heat energy. The body is an effecient processor and science dictates that eating in this manner is futile and pointless. This being based on the conversion of energy. It simply makes zero sense to put in 700 lbs of potential energy to convert into 48 ounces of a different form of stored potential energy. It does not add up!
Matter can neither be created nor destroyed so as you can see, most of this 700 lbs is just wasted potential energy.
Now my equation can be utilized by anyone to be whatever Bodyfat their heart desires at any given time. This means anyone can also hold whatever conditioning they want indefinitely since they know their heat values. They can adjust accordingly at any moment up or down to manipulate fat storage.....You can essentially pick a single date on the calendar and to the DAY, determine EXACTLY what bodyfat you will be.
I also do no cardio and lift about 3 or 4 days a week.
The best part is, you do this by eating whatever your heart desires. I like Burger King,Krispy Kreme,Cake and Cookies and Pizza. So that is what I eat. I also eat off the Food Network. And my favorite, Ice Cream! Everyday! hahah MY girlfriend is one hell of a cook and we like to pick up specials from the fish market as well. The choices are limitless....Whatever you want."
-The True Adonis
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Well whats the formula then?
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MATT C IS 180 IN THAT PICTURE. So where's his bodyweight need to go next to maximize the rate in which he will build muscle? I say 160, over a period of 8-12 weeks.
Even if he juices, he needs to get to 165, tops. I'm not saying where he should go from there. But to get his ass in bodybuilding gear (no pun intended), he will be best served by making a B-line to VERY LEAN before going any farther.
Discuss.
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Well whats the formula then?
it's stuck in the pocket of his gravity suit
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Point system is INNACCURATE.
Now for the 4985349583489534 Time.
Fucking READ
Again.
"Well, it works like this. I have come up with a formula that determines down to the exact limit of how much heat I release in a closed system. I have come up with this formula based solely on each individuals performance so Anyone is capable of doing this.
Here is a before and after. I haver ALWAYS been a hard trainer and have used conventional methods in the past regarding diet. I have gotten lean on the typical bodybuilder diet, but I also got WEAKER,more tired,felt awful and not to mention it is inconvenient,not economical or practical.
I got fat eating Chicken Breast and Oatmeal and eating clean, I got Ripped eating, Ice Cream and Krispy Kreme.
The idea of eating 700 lbs of meat(350 grams of protein a day for a year) to build about 48 ounces of muscle(about the lifetime natural limit`s average muscle building potential) is just an inefficient waste of heat energy. The body is an effecient processor and science dictates that eating in this manner is futile and pointless. This being based on the conversion of energy. It simply makes zero sense to put in 700 lbs of potential energy to convert into 48 ounces of a different form of stored potential energy. It does not add up!
Matter can neither be created nor destroyed so as you can see, most of this 700 lbs is just wasted potential energy.
Now my equation can be utilized by anyone to be whatever Bodyfat their heart desires at any given time. This means anyone can also hold whatever conditioning they want indefinitely since they know their heat values. They can adjust accordingly at any moment up or down to manipulate fat storage.....You can essentially pick a single date on the calendar and to the DAY, determine EXACTLY what bodyfat you will be.
I also do no cardio and lift about 3 or 4 days a week.
The best part is, you do this by eating whatever your heart desires. I like Burger King,Krispy Kreme,Cake and Cookies and Pizza. So that is what I eat. I also eat off the Food Network. And my favorite, Ice Cream! Everyday! hahah MY girlfriend is one hell of a cook and we like to pick up specials from the fish market as well. The choices are limitless....Whatever you want."
-The True Adonis
listen you want people to stop calling you and your methods retarded
then post your formula or stfu
we'll judge how effective it is
btw meltdown in biblical proportions by me:D
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I'm not saying I wouldn't look better at 165, but I don't understand how I can be more muscular? Don't virtually 100% of bodybuilders (natural or sauced to the max) bulk up and then cut down? ???
Define "muscular," as you understand the definition of the word.
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Define "muscular," as you understand the definition of the word.
got your squat up to 200 yet Jeff?
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Matt C, can you tell me the difference between the Weight Watchers Flex program and the Adonis Principles? I have read a few paragraphs with opinions, so can you please tell me only the facts? I am just curious as to why you would choose one over the other.
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TA when are you going to actually unveil this formula with any of your case studies?
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matt - tell us about your milos training protocols.
The gaspari sizeon is AWESOME, seriously. and the betancourt stuff is great too, easy on the belly.
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when are you guys going to understand, figure out how many calories you burn in a day and then don't consume more than that, eat whatever you want as long as you don't exceed it.
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when are you guys going to understand, figure out how many calories you burn in a day and then don't consume more than that, eat whatever you want as long as you don't exceed it.
Like the Weight Watchers Flex program?
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Like the Weight Watchers Flex program?
calories in vs. calories out my friend, it's that simple.
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Discuss.
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got your squat up to 200 yet Jeff?
Yes. ;D
But I wanted to ask you. How much should I be squatting, for how many reps, at a VERY LEAN 210 pounds before you find it respectable? I'm serious, I wanna know a goal for myself. Or is being VERY LEAN at 210 ever respectable to you given that I am 6'1"? I'm being serious here; I like you. ;D Because 210-215's where I've decided to go next before anything else.
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calories in vs. calories out my friend, it's that simple.
Then it sounds like it's...a DIET. Nothing revolutionary about that.
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Yes. ;D
But I wanted to ask you. How much should I be squatting, for how many reps, at a VERY LEAN 210 pounds before you find it respectable? I'm serious, I wanna know a goal for myself. Or is being VERY LEAN at 210 ever respectable to you given that I am 6'1"? I'm being serious here; I like you. ;D
at least 500 for deep reps, below parallel.
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at least 500 for deep reps, below parallel.
How many reps?
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Listen to mcfarland man,
he got a HUGE 200 pounds at 6'2, using mike morris sized dosages lol.
compton crips baby.
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Then it sounds like it's...a DIET. Nothing revolutionary about that.
If TA will tell us "the formula" I will go into a weight watchers tomorrow and ask them how they figure out their number of points(which they use in lieu of calories to make it easier for the masses) and then we can compare the differences in the two systems, cuz I don't see any.
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How many reps?
at least 6.
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Yes. ;D
But I wanted to ask you. How much should I be squatting, for how many reps, at a VERY LEAN 210 pounds before you find it respectable? I'm serious, I wanna know a goal for myself. Or is being VERY LEAN at 210 ever respectable to you given that I am 6'1"? I'm being serious here; I like you. ;D Because 210-215's where I've decided to go next before anything else.
Hey Mcfarland, I have never heard of you, but I just got a PM and someone wants me to ask you if you still do crystal meth all day every day?
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you got good build,,dont ruin it by eating junk,,,remember you wanna grow and that takes a lot of calories that can not all be junk,,,get yourself good ole dianabol,,testosterone and nandrolone and go at it 8 weeks,,you are 190 with 12%? if yes this is respectable and very good stage to start hormonizing,,get yourself up to 220 then cut back to 190 6%,,the girls will like you and will think youre a lot bigger than 190 when you are 6%,,as i said you got good build
youll be happy trust me
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I'd like to see a pic of McFarland
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at least 6.
How many people, relatively speaking, would you estimate can squat 500 for 6 deep reps at 6'1", 210 pounds, at 5-6% bodyfat? I mean, if you're just joking, you're just joking, and that's fine. But I wanna know what you HONESTLY find respectable, or if everything you say is to be disregarded. I'm just trying to give you a little credit here.
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How many people, relatively speaking, would you estimate can squat 500 for 6 deep reps at 6'1", 210 pounds, at 5-6% bodyfat? I mean, if you're just joking, you're just joking, and that's fine. But I wanna know what you HONESTLY find respectable, or if everything you say is to be disregarded. I'm just trying to give you a little credit here.
i have a very hard time believing that you're 5-6 percent at 210 but anyway my last squat workout was 545 for 5 right at parallel, i'm 5'11" 235 and my bodyfat is probably high teens to twenty percent.
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i have a very hard time believing that you're 5-6 percent at 210 but anyway my last squat workout was 545 for 5 right at parallel, i'm 5'11" 235 and my bodyfat is probably high teens to twenty percent.
I'm not those stats by any means right now. I'm just saying, I wanna know what you think is ideal.
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Chicks dig muscle!!
Best way to figure out gh15's identity: which pro bodybuilders have genius level IQs (over 131)? Not many, so that narrows it down!
Also,,, the whole multiple comma thing is BS,, just to try to throw people off. :)
I will believe that gh15 is foreign, but a foreigner with a VERY good grasp of English...too good to actually come across as a foreigner. :)
I know who it is. Tell me the difference between the two programs and I will let you know.
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you got good build,,dont ruin it by eating junk,,,remember you wanna grow and that takes a lot of calories that can not all be junk,,,get yourself good ole dianabol,,testosterone and nandrolone and go at it 8 weeks,,you are 190 with 12%? if yes this is respectable and very good stage to start hormonizing,,get yourself up to 220 then cut back to 190 6%,,the girls will like you and will think youre a lot bigger than 190 when you are 6%,,as i said you got good build
youll be happy trust me
So basically, you're saying he's gonna have to look worse before he looks better? I mean no disrespect. Do you just not think it's worth staying that small for that long before he looks lean?
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i have a very hard time believing that you're 5-6 percent at 210 but anyway my last squat workout was 545 for 5 right at parallel, i'm 5'11" 235 and my bodyfat is probably high teens to twenty percent.
I call bullshit. just like you do on evry strength claim here that is halfway impressive.
Prove it muthafvcker
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I'm not those stats by any means right now. I'm just saying, I wanna know what you think is ideal.
i'd say that 405 for 8-10 would be respectable but nothing that great.
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I agree with gh15. Matt C needs to get on some roids almost as bad as the Shadow needs to get laid. Just do it already!
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I call bullshit. just like you do on evry strength claim here that is halfway impressive.
Prove it muthafvcker
hahahaha, ok "unbiased" that's what i'll do, i'll take a camera to the gym to film a mediocre lift, 5 plates and a quarter per side is NOTHING for a 235 pound man, hahahahaha, you're probably impressed seeing people in your gym bench 225. ::)
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i'd say that 405 for 8-10 would be respectable but nothing that great.
Hmmm. That'd be more than I've ever done at any bodyweight or bodyfat percentage. But yeah, those have always been numbers I've wanted to have.
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seriously matt c would look amazing with 500mg test a week + dbol
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seriously matt c would look amazing with 500mg test a week + dbol
thats a pussy cycle, heeds a at least a gramme a week.
hes not doing figure.
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gh15, you've previously stated that starting a considerable cycle, or at least already being on gear, and pouring in quality calories after having achieved a very low bodyfat, is the way to the fastest muscle gain. Don't you think Matt C, regardless of gear intake, would look better sooner, and carry more muscle than he does now, by aiming to first take his bodyweight down instead of up? I'd like for you to elaborate on this if you don't mind.
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I don't disagree. But I had this conversation with somebody else: what's the point of juicing when I can get back to 200 in the same condition just with muscle memory? Wouldn't it make more sense to get back to my previous best and then gas up from there?
Dude, just stop talking about it and do it already! You're like a 16 year old boy who wants to try sex for the first time, honestly. :):):)
Come on, you can pretend you're Frank McGrath, you know you'll like that ;)
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Dude, just stop talking about it and do it already! You're like a 16 year old boy who wants to try sex for the first time, honestly. :):):)
Come on, you can pretend you're Frank McGrath, you know you'll like that ;)
you fat sack of shit, can u please stay out seriosu htreads,
i wish blcolk had taken a pic of your sorry schmoe fatass,
u dont even workout. ::)
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Dude, just stop talking about it and do it already! You're like a 16 year old boy who wants to try sex for the first time, honestly. :):):)
Come on, you can pretend you're Frank McGrath, you know you'll like that ;)
Why don't you lose 100 pounds you fkn period face? Or try proactive? Or conquer your stuttering problem. I am sure Matt wants your advice ::)
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Hey maybe i'll start exercising, some day... Hopefully Planet Fitness will let me in:)
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I call bullshit. just like you do on evry strength claim here that is halfway impressive.
Prove it muthafvcker
this doesnt sound bullshit what he says,,235lb with high teen bodyfat% at 5'10 5'11 that been at it for some time and take lifting seriously are usually super strong,,,you wont believe how much strength double digit bodyfat gives you comparing to single digit bodyfat% and at 230+ you got a strong lifter there,,
those numbers are heard of,, what he is saying is realistic and not made up,,i used to think he was big mouth and like to joke,,but hes pretty smart when it comes to bodybuilding,,he isnt lying
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this doesnt sound bullshit what he says,,235lb with high teen bodyfat% at 5'10 5'11 that been at it for some time and take lifting seriously are usually super strong,,,you wont believe how much strength double digit bodyfat gives you comparing to single digit bodyfat% and at 230+ you got a strong lifter there,,
those numbers are heard of,, what he is saying is realistic and not made up,,i used to think he was big mouth and like to joke,,but hes pretty smart when it comes to bodybuilding,,he isnt lying
thanks GH, i don't think my lifts are ANYTHING AT ALL, a 235 pound guy should be benching much more than 380 and squatting 545 for a few reps, i consider myself a little above average strength wise, nothing special at all.
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I have a plan:
After I bulk up using these principles, hit the gh15 juicing principles. :)
gh15 = successful businessman (seller of gear).
Good. But when you become big, don't give us the BS about having gotten big on Muscletech and BSN, and because you have great genetics and take a cooler full of meat everywhere you go, ok? ;)
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i have a very hard time believing that you're 5-6 percent at 210 but anyway my last squat workout was 545 for 5 right at parallel, i'm 5'11" 235 and my bodyfat is probably high teens to twenty percent.
High teens to 20%?? Do you honestly think you are in any position to be calling someone fat? Not trying to start shit....just curious how you can come across like that?
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gh15, you've previously stated that starting a considerable cycle, or at least already being on gear, and pouring in quality calories after having achieved a very low bodyfat, is the way to the fastest muscle gain. Don't you think Matt C, regardless of gear intake, would look better sooner, and carry more muscle than he does now, by aiming to first take his bodyweight down instead of up? I'd like for you to elaborate on this if you don't mind.
He stated before that you should have a lower bodyfat before starting gear because you'll see better results in conditioning that is all.
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High teens to 20%?? Do you honestly think you are in any position to be calling someone fat? Not trying to start shit....just curious how you can come across like that?
i'm not fat, i'm not ripped or really lean but i'm not fat.
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thanks GH, i don't think my lifts are ANYTHING AT ALL, a 235 pound guy should be benching much more than 380 and squatting 545 for a few reps, i consider myself a little above average strength wise, nothing special at all.
Based on those numbers, which I fully believe, in Gold's Venice you'd be one of the strongest people currently training there. Mike O' Hearn goes up to 585 or so on at least a semi-regular basis, although I'm not sure for how many reps...5-6 would sound about right. I consider him the strongest, most consistent lifter in the gym. Given your stats, I'd say he's just a little taller than you, and probably about the same bodyweight but leaner. Just to put things in perspective here, maybe you should give yourself a little more credit. You just don't see people squatting over 500 for deep reps. Most people can count on one hand the number of people they've ever witnessed do that unless you go to world-class powerlifting meets all the time. Maybe I'm wrong, but I doubt it.
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High teens to 20%?? Do you honestly think you are in any position to be calling someone fat? Not trying to start shit....just curious how you can come across like that?
according to bodyfat charts, anywhere between 15%-22% of bodyfat is considered normal for an adult male.
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Based on those numbers, which I fully believe, in Gold's Venice you'd be one of the strongest people currently training there. Mike O' Hearn goes up to 585 or so on at least a semi-regular basis, I'm not sure for how many reps. I consider him the strongest, most consistent lifter in the gym. Given your stats, I'd say he's just a little taller than you, and probably about the same bodyweight but leaner. Just to put things in perspective here.
i'm NOWHERE NEAR as lean or strong or developed as Mike O'Hearn, that's the truth.
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i'm not fat, i'm not ripped or really lean but i'm not fat.
I suppose, just thinking about what 15% - 20% looks like....and that not all that lean. When I was 13%, I felt like I was a tub o' crap. Oh, well....just asking.
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i'm NOWHERE NEAR as lean or strong or developed as Mike O'Hearn, that's the truth.
But I bet you could make him or anyone else at Gold's cry within a few minutes :)
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i'm NOWHERE NEAR as lean or strong or developed as Mike O'Hearn, that's the truth.
You mean "all natural" Mike O'Hearn......HA HA HA
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Based on those numbers, which I fully believe, in Gold's Venice you'd be one of the strongest people currently training there. Mike O' Hearn goes up to 585 or so on at least a semi-regular basis, I'm not sure for how many reps. I consider him the strongest, most consistent lifter in the gym. Given your stats, I'd say he's just a little taller than you, and probably about the same bodyweight but leaner. Just to put things in perspective here.
fuck mike o'hearn, squadfther owns him.,
and hes fucking natural at the moment, clean for three years, o hearn is probably most likely "on".
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I suppose, just thinking about what 15% - 20% looks like....and that not all that lean. When I was 13%, I felt like I was a tub o' crap. Oh, well....just asking.
well compared to a competitive bodybuilder 13-15 percent is a "slob" or "sloppy" but competitive bb'ers are some of the leanest people on earth.
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thanks GH, i don't think my lifts are ANYTHING AT ALL, a 235 pound guy should be benching much more than 380 and squatting 545 for a few reps, i consider myself a little above average strength wise, nothing special at all.
are those squats with free weights or smith? My best is roughly (I don't know the exact weight of the smith bar) 495 for 10 on smith with a bodyweight of 200lbs
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fuck mike o'hearn, squadfther owns him.,
and hes fucking natural at the moment, clean for three years, o hearn is probably most likely "on".
I don't think Squadfather's claiming to be clean.
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I don't think Squadfather's claiming to be clean.
Yes he is methhead.
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fuck mike o'hearn, squadfther owns him.,
and hes fucking natural at the moment, clean for three years, o hearn is probably most likely "on".
thanks DP, yeah Mike claims to be natural but come on does anyone believe that?
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I don't think Squadfather's claiming to be clean.
clean for three years.
hes a strong mofo.
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are those squats with free weights or smith? My best is roughly (I don't know the exact weight of the smith bar) 495 for 10 on smith with a bodyweight of 200lbs
that's damn good, i do regular barbell squats.
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I don't think Squadfather's claiming to be clean.
no i'm not, i've done plenty of stuff but i haven't touched a thing since a few bottles of QV Enanthate in spring/summer 03.
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gh15, you've previously stated that starting a considerable cycle, or at least already being on gear, and pouring in quality calories after having achieved a very low bodyfat, is the way to the fastest muscle gain. Don't you think Matt C, regardless of gear intake, would look better sooner, and carry more muscle than he does now, by aiming to first take his bodyweight down instead of up? I'd like for you to elaborate on this if you don't mind.
mattc in my opinion hold low bodyfat%,,,its not that his bodyfat is in the single digit,,it is how and where he hold his bodyfat,,
he is i say 10-13% in any given day,,now at this level of bodyfat i would first bulk,,,why? because it is good bodyfat to grow on,,,he will grow up to 220 and be 10-11% then cut down to 190 and be 6% and i think that is what he wants,,
you can do it in many ways,,,BUT from looking at mattc and seeing the way his arms are shaped and over all composition,,this guy will put on good quality mass pretty fast on gear,,,he wont be fat,,,he may be somewhat softer and little boated but it will be good size that he wil be able to play with later on,,
the problem of mattc is his pecs,,i think it is genetic,,his arms are very well developed for a 190pounder and so is his delts,, so they might do the job while benching instead of the pecs,,gear wont grow you new pecs,,but it will grow you in general to new dimentions if you responds well to it,,and i think he will respond very well to it,,mark my words,,at 190 later on he will have sculpted physiqe hard dry ruggedy and cut well and that will make him look bigger,,
he has good build and something to work with,,he will look very good
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no i'm not, i've done plenty of stuff but i haven't touched a thing since a few bottles of QV Enanthate in spring/summer 03.
How much do you estimate you'd be squatting if you were to go on something?
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How much do you estimate you'd be squatting if you were to go on something?
it depends, i've always made easy gains on my squat and deadlift so if i were to cycle again i would more than likely focus on my bench and chest which i'm currently doing anyway, i'd absolutely love to do 405 on the bench but i don't know if that's possible.
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How much do you estimate you'd be squatting if you were to go on something?
id say low 700's would be a modest estimate.
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id say low 700's would be a modest estimate.
hahahahaha, that would never happen, i don't have the bone structure to do that.
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mattc in my opinion hold low bodyfat%,,,its not that his bodyfat is in the single digit,,it is how and where he hold his bodyfat,,
he is i say 10-13% in any given day,,now at this level of bodyfat i would first bulk,,,why? because it is good bodyfat to grow on,,,he will grow up to 220 and be 10-11% then cut down to 190 and be 6% and i think that is what he wants,,
you can do it in many ways,,,BUT from looking at mattc and seeing the way his arms are shaped and over all composition,,this guy will put on good quality mass pretty fast on gear,,,he wont be fat,,,he may be somewhat softer and little boated but it will be good size that he wil be able to play with later on,,
the problem of mattc is his pecs,,i think it is genetic,,his arms are very well developed for a 190pounder and so is his delts,, so they might do the job while benching instead of the pecs,,gear wont grow you new pecs,,but it will grow you in general to new dimentions if you responds well to it,,and i think he will respond very well to it,,mark my words,,at 190 later on he will have sculpted physiqe hard dry ruggedy and cut well and that will make him look bigger,,
he has good build and something to work with,,he will look very good
I see. He's 180 now. How much can he gain from his first cycle? You really think he can make it to 220 on his first cycle? How long do you think that will take him?
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hahahahaha, that would never happen, i don't have the bone structure to do that.
With GH and Gear its possible. It's only 150 pounds more.
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With GH and Gear its possible. It's only 150 pounds more.
hahahahaha, i wouldn't waste my time with GH and the most i ever did with gear was 585 for a single a couple of inches high.
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I see. He's 180 now. How much can he gain from his first cycle? You really think he can make it to 220 on his first cycle? How long do you think that will take him?
But again, what is the point of using juice to get back gains I already once had? Wouldn't it make more sense to get to 200 and go from there? I actually think I can get back to that in a couple of months just using whole foods, and then use some supplements and see where that gets me, and then gear. It would be a long bulking phase, but I have never formally dieted down anyway (ectomorph).
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But again, what is the point of using juice to get back gains I already once had? Wouldn't it make more sense to get to 200 and go from there? I actually think I can get back to that in a couple of months just using whole foods, and then use some supplements and see where that gets me, and then gear. It would be a long bulking phase, but I have never formally dieted down anyway (ectomorph).
I wanna hear gh15's answer. I'm having trouble imagining a 5'9" dude gaining 30-40 pounds off a first cycle. How long is it gonna take Matt C to actually look like a bodybuilder by doing what gh15's suggesting, is what I'm asking.
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who is gh15?
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TA when are you going to actually unveil this formula with any of your case studies?
I did with Chaseinator.
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hahahahaha, i wouldn't waste my time with GH and the most i ever did with gear was 585 for a single a couple of inches high.
dude, ure doing 545 for 6 while clean,
585 for 1 while on!?!??!
I would have thoguht you would be pushing 700 easy if on.
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I did with Chaseinator.
Unveil it again for us right now if you don't mind.
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Unveil it again for us right now if you don't mind.
Yes please, Chaseinator was before I even joined here.
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dude, ure doing 545 for 6 while clean,
585 for 1 while on!?!??!
I would have thoguht you would be pushing 700 easy if on.
hahahahahaha, hell no, i might be able to get six plates for a decent single right now, i'm actually stronger now than i've ever been and i'm clean that's the funny part.
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40 seems high but I don't think 20 would be unrealistic. Maybe gh15 meant after I get back to where I was.
The only pros I can think of who are as smart (and foreign) as gh15 would be Nasser and Milos.
TA's principles seem to allow one to lose body fat and gain muscle mass at the same time from what I can tell.
Why don't you just let him answer.
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hahahahahaha, hell no, i might be able to get six plates for a decent single right now, i'm actually stronger now than i've ever been and i'm clean that's the funny part.
Why not hit a cycle then? Do you think you'll keep getting stronger in the long run from where you're at now without drugs from this point? You've apparently built a very impressive, maintainable base at this point, so you're saying you don't wanna mess that up?
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Why not hit a cycle then?
if i find some legit American human grade stuff at a decent price i might consider it, i'm not doing any Mexican stuff anymore.
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It's just my take on it. He will chime in shortly I'm sure.
Maybe I should go back to 200 and then do the TA principles.
Just start now. Am I wrong, or have you been talking for month about how you want to diet down?
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Why not hit a cycle then?
he's stronger clean
we don't all need to be juice to the gills to lift heavy ass weight.
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HAHAHA. My favourite picture from the expo. ;D
May Christina Lindley be the most beautiful woman in life? :o
Matt, Christina claims to be 5'9" on her website. What does the height policeman have to say about that?
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Unveil it again for us right now if you don't mind.
I will tell you in instant message.
I don`t need all these people stealing the crux of my diet.
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I wanna hear gh15's answer. I'm having trouble imagining a 5'9" dude gaining 30-40 pounds off a first cycle. How long is it gonna take Matt C to actually look like a bodybuilder by doing what gh15's suggesting, is what I'm asking.
He's actually suggesting that he would gain 25lbs of added muscle seeing how he's 180lbs now which would be around 165 with some decent cuts and in the end he will end up at 190lbs with the same defiintion. Matt has been 200lbs before so with a bulking process along with gear 220lbs ain't that far off but at that weight he'd be up around 20%+ bf
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I will tell you in instant message.
I don`t need all these people stealing the crux of my diet.
yeah we might end up looking like we just stepped out of pow camp, haha
cc baby.
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I will tell you in instant message.
I don`t need all these people stealing the crux of my diet.
OK, well I'm gonna be waiting for it.
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matt how did you lose 20 pounds?
you mean to tell me I was right when I said if you don't workout or eat high protein any muscle you built in the gym will disappear ;D
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I wanna hear gh15's answer. I'm having trouble imagining a 5'9" dude gaining 30-40 pounds off a first cycle. How long is it gonna take Matt C to actually look like a bodybuilder by doing what gh15's suggesting is what I'm asking.
5'9 5'10 5'11 is a wet dream height for a bodybuilder,,
he can gain 40lb first cycle with no problems 10-12 weeks,,look at him carefully he already look like a smaller version of a bodybuilder,,,bodybuilding is not all size,,look at frank zane he was 190 sometimes less,,its not all in the size,,it is in the quality of muscle you carry,,
when i look at someone i look at the shape of their body,,the structure of their face,,adipose tissue and overall fat,,,
mattc already look in part like a juicer in his best pictures,,you know a cycle or 2 kinda oral juicer,,so if he really goes on the gear he will look like what he already look like but simply bigger,,biggger muscles,,,bigger muscles = lower bodyfat%,,,his muscles will mature faster and grow easier,,,its as simply as that
now,,if he already been 200lb then maybe he should wait,,,but you dont get any younger by waiting,,if you think of competing or if you think of taking your body to new levels,,age 24-26 is a very very very good age,,,age 30 is kinda old,,,
timing is everything
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He's actually suggesting that he would gain 25lbs of added muscle seeing how he's 180lbs now which would be around 165 with some decent cuts and in the end he will end up at 190lbs with the same defiintion. Matt has been 200lbs before so with a bulking process along with gear 220lbs ain't that far off but at that weight he'd be up around 20%+ bf
Well I wanna know if it's gonna take Matt another year, or 3 more months before he can see his abs again and people perceive him as a person that carries an appreciable amount of muscle at a relatively low bodyfat level. If Matt C knows he's gonna look and feel like shit for the next year before it starts to pay off, I'm not so sure of how stoked he's gonna be about taking this stuff seriously.
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5'9 5'10 5'11 is a wet dream height for a bodybuilder,,
he can gain 40lb first cycle with no problems 10-12 weeks,,look at him carefully he already look like a smaller version of a bodybuilder,,,bodybuilding is not all size,,look at frank zane he was 190 sometimes less,,its not all in the size,,it is in the quality of muscle you carry,,
when i look at someone i look at the shape of their body,,the structure of their face,,adipose tissue and overall fat,,,
mattc already look in part like a juicer in his best pictures,,you know a cycle or 2 kinda oral juicer,,so if he really goes on the gear he will look like what he already look like but simply bigger,,biggger muscles,,,bigger muscles = lower bodyfat%,,,his muscles will mature faster and grow easier,,,its as simply as that
now,,if he already been 200lb then maybe he should wait,,,but you dont get any younger by waiting,,if you think of competing or if you think of taking your body to new levels,,age 24-26 is a very very very good age,,,age 30 is kinda old,,,
timing is everything
Would the first cycle you're referring to have to involve gh, insulin, more than 1500mg's of combined androgens/anabolics per week, or any combination thereof? I'm not sure Matt C's gonna spring for that right out of the gate. Actually, I'm not even sure he could benefit from that much this early on. What are your thoughts on this, gh15? Again, no disrespect intended, but what will be the sacrifices involved with Matt following your advice to achieve those types of gains? From a realistic standpoint.
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Would the first cycle you're referring to have to involve gh, insulin, more than 1500mg's of combined androgens/anabolics per week, or any combination thereof?
id say yes.
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Chicks dig muscle!!
Best way to figure out gh15's identity: which pro bodybuilders have genius level IQs (over 131)? Not many, so that narrows it down!
Also,,, the whole multiple comma thing is BS,, just to try to throw people off. :)
I will believe that gh15 is foreign, but a foreigner with a VERY good grasp of English...too good to actually come across as a foreigner. :)
A genius IQ is 145 to 164. High genius is 165 to 180. Highest genius 180 to 200. Over 200 is unmeasurable.
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Well I wanna know if it's gonna take Matt another year, or 3 more months before he can see his abs again and people perceive him as a person that carries an appreciable amount of muscle at a relatively low bodyfat level. If Matt C knows he's gonna look and feel like shit for the next year before it starts to pay off, I'm not so sure of how stoked he's gonna be about taking this stuff seriously.
He really needs to start doing something eh?
I really don't think it would make much of a difference if he started jucing now as opposed to waiting until he puts on that extra 15-20lbs.
Matt you've already built a base and you have nothing to lose. You got your website as a secondary source of income to buy your gear and I'm sure you have connections by now. I think your still stuck in the moral dillema and just don't want to admit it
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gh15 = successful businessman (seller of gear).
Yup, he sold Steve Reeves his gear. ::)
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Would the first cycle you're referring to have to involve gh, insulin, more than 1500mg's of combined androgens/anabolics per week, or any combination thereof? I'm not sure Matt C's gonna spring for that right out of the gate. Actually, I'm not even sure he could benefit from that much this early on. What are your thoughts on this, gh15? Again, no disrespect intended, but what will be the sacrifices involved with Matt following your advice to achieve those types of gains? From a realistic standpoint.
nah brother mac :D
dianabol
testosterone
nandrolone decanoate
he will grow like a weed,,he got italian what ever build on him,,his build screams muscle,,its like little bobbie,,
no need for gh or sliin if not competing at the high level,,
dianabol 40-50mg a day
test cyp or enanthate 500-750mg a week
nandrolone decanoate 400-600mg a week
make sure you get legit products,,
no need for anything else,,can add some ephedra caffeine and aspirin to eliminate the fat,,but it wont be a problem,,his genetics is good,,
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He really needs to start doing something eh?
I really don't think it would make much of a difference if he started jucing now as opposed to waiting until he puts on that extra 15-20lbs.
Matt you've already built a base and you have nothing to lose. You got your website as a secondary source of income to buy your gear and I'm sure you have connections by now. I think your still stuck in the moral dillema and just don't want to admit it
Well like I said, I'm simply wondering if he'd be best served by working from here in a caloric deficit or surplus. That's the bottom line. What I'm saying is that he took the next 3 months to get really lean, then it seems to me that he would grow just as fast from there regardless, and probably at an even more accelerated rate. Plus, he'd look better for the rest of his bodybuilding pursuits, from now on.
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The bottom line is,
I am willing to take MATT C, down to his best possible NATURAL form.
What he does after that, is up to him.
But I can garauntee his result.
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about 48 ounces of muscle(about the lifetime natural limit`s average muscle building potential)
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A year dick brains.
You don`t put on 10 lbs of muscle as a natural in a year.
The Natural Human body is not capable of doing that year after year.
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nah brother mac :D
dianabol
testosterone
nandrolone decanoate
he will grow like a weed,,he got italian what ever build on him,,his build screams muscle,,its like little bobbie,,
no need for gh or sliin if not competing at the high level,,
dianabol 40-50mg a day
test cyp or enanthate 500-750mg a week
nandrolone decanoate 400-600mg a week
make sure you get legit products,,
no need for anything else,,can add some ephedra caffeine and aspirin to eliminate the fat,,but it wont be a problem,,his genetics is good,,
OK, I'm still listening, as I always do...so how clean should he be eating in order to do this? I don't know how you wanna quantify that, but maybe in terms of grams of protein/carbs per day or just how many clean vs. how many dirty meals per week, considering that a typical clean meal would be 75-100 grams of oatmeal, rice or potatoes and I'm assuming 40-55 grams of high-quality protein. And again, how long before anyone can appreciate his abs showing from when he starts this cycle?
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Protein Synthesis does NOT stop in a caloric deficit by the way.
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TA, is the info about your formula in chase's thread? where is it posted?
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Based on those numbers, which I fully believe, in Gold's Venice you'd be one of the strongest people currently training there. Mike O' Hearn goes up to 585 or so on at least a semi-regular basis, although I'm not sure for how many reps...5-6 would sound about right. I consider him the strongest, most consistent lifter in the gym. Given your stats, I'd say he's just a little taller than you, and probably about the same body
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That's what I'm saying here too Mcfarland, Squadfather is making a pretty hefty strength claim there even though he is downplaying it a lot.There is not a lot of natueral trainers that get 550 for reps, that is quite strong. So being that he's the first person to jump on anyone even remotely claiming a good lift i jumped on him, what's he special or something?
hahahaha YES. ;D
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Matt C, I highly recommend that you begin using the Adonis Principles. You will not be disappointed.
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Lose fat and gain muscle at the same time?
As I said.
PROTEIN SYNTHESIS DOES NOT SHUT OFF IN A CALORIC DEFICIT.
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nah brother mac :D
dianabol
testosterone
nandrolone decanoate
he will grow like a weed,,he got italian what ever build on him,,his build screams muscle,,its like little bobbie,,
no need for gh or sliin if not competing at the high level,,
dianabol 40-50mg a day
test cyp or enanthate 500-750mg a week
nandrolone decanoate 400-600mg a week
make sure you get legit products,,
no need for anything else,,can add some ephedra caffeine and aspirin to eliminate the fat,,but it wont be a problem,,his genetics is good,,
Hey GH. A question.
I'm not fishing for compliments here but looking at me, what would you recommend cycle wise?
I get thick as hell real easy but tend to hold water and have to watch my BF. My metabolism is what I call HONEST. if I eat clean, I look phenomenal but if i eat crap it shows instantly.
I often wonder what my body is capable of chemically and before it's too late I might gear up seriously just to see the results and get it on film (and maybe the stage).
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Groink,
Off topic but there was a thread where gh15 was asked what fitness/figure girls are like personality wise, which got deleted for some reason. In it you said you were with a girl who was so arrogant that she would stand in front of the mirror and say "Damn I'm perfect" and someone asked you "Well, was she perfect or what? ???"
Well, was she?
On the outside......Yes.
5'8", about 135 lbs.
REAL 38 d's, legs up to her neck, great ass
Black hair green eyes perfect features flawless skin.
BUT...on the inside, she was the most narcissistic,self centered, downright MEAN person I've come across in a while.
For me to say that is saying something, because I'm not exactly Mr. Humble myself.
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TA when are you going to actually unveil this formula with any of your case studies?
Like I said before, he's full of crap, he has no "formula" and what he seems to not include in his junk food "diet" is the nutritional value when it comes to eating clean, there is very little value in eating shit foods!
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I will tell you in instant message.
I don`t need all these people stealing the crux of my diet.
Who the hell wants to eat fast food and trans fats all day long, somebody on the Adonis nutrition principles.
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YES BUT THE ADONIS NUTRITION PRINCIPLES HAVE GOTTEN TO HER. AS I HAVE POSTED IN THE PICTURE ABOVE.
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That's what I'm saying here too Mcfarland, Squadfather is making a pretty hefty strength claim there even though he is downplaying it a lot.There is not a lot of natueral trainers that get 550 for reps, that is quite strong. So being that he's the first person to jump on anyone even remotely claiming a good lift i jumped on him, what's he special or something?
it's odd to find someone who out-squats their deadlift without gear. in fact i don't know of anyone who falls into that category. SF and i have roughly the same pull (545-ish) and he outsquats me by at least 100. i generally get 405 for 3 and 455 for 1 on a good day.
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Like I said before, he's full of crap, he has no "formula" and what he seems to not include in his junk food "diet" is the nutritional value when it comes to eating clean, there is very little value in eating shit foods!
meltdown
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it's odd to find someone who out-squats their deadlift without gear. in fact i don't know of anyone who falls into that category. SF and i have roughly the same pull (545-ish) and he outsquats me by at least 100. i generally get 405 for 3 and 455 for 1 on a good day.
I could also Zach, I'm pretty sure it is a structure issue.
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I could also Zach, I'm pretty sure it is a structure issue.
IT TIME TO DEADLIFT 225 A 112 TIMES.
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meltdown
Not a meltdown.....it's a fact!
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So she basically looked like the girl in the pic below? Another natural beauty. :o
pfff those ain't 38 D's so according to Groink... nah
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Hey GH. A question.
I'm not fishing for compliments here but looking at me, what would you recommend cycle wise?
I get thick as hell real easy but tend to hold water and have to watch my BF. My metabolism is what I call HONEST. if I eat clean, I look phenomenal but if i eat crap it shows instantly.
I often wonder what my body is capable of chemically and before it's too late I might gear up seriously just to see the results and get it on film (and maybe the stage).
if i were you i wouldnt use gear,,you already look on so why use it?
if you think about competing and wanna see how far you can take your physiqe,,you probably will be able to win local level show or even state show on simple cycles of test tren eq,,you got mass to play with,,you can do well competition wize,,but then again why use it for fun if you already look jacked naturally with out it,,,thank god every day and be happy my friend ;)
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I was gung-ho about getting back into it and applying the following:
- Adonis nutrition principles
- Milos' gym principles
- Gaspari SIZEON / Betancourt Nutrition High C
Then speaking with TA and McFarland about this, I can't believe some of the stuff being said. They are suggesting I drop 20-40 pounds to gain muscle. ???
Discuss.
I wouldnt listen too any thing TA says. his theorys are full of shit.
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i have a very hard time believing that you're 5-6 percent at 210 but anyway my last squat workout was 545 for 5 right at parallel, i'm 5'11" 235 and my bodyfat is probably high teens to twenty percent.
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You've fallen into the same trap as many of your 'victims' on getbig - grossly exaggerating your lift! You have previously said that you used 750mgs of test a week - yet your best squat was only 585? 750mgs of test only added 40lbs to your squat?
Ha ha ha, why do you guys feel the need to lie about your lifts on the internet? Anyone squatting 545 is a pretty impressive feat, and would make most gyms come to a standstill. Its only in fairly hardcore places that you regularly see guys squatting 5 and 6 plates. Just be honest about what you can do.
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I was wondering that myself. Groink already looks like he has gear level size. ???
Nope. No steroids dude
Did PH's a couple years back and gained 12 lbs. in 2 weeks so I'm thinking I might be a good responder
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Regarding Matt doing the Adonis Principles, why not? They worked for Adonis and working well for tweeter.
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I'm down 12 lbs from 2 weeks ago...it works.
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MATT C IS 180 IN THAT PICTURE. So where's his bodyweight need to go next to maximize the rate in which he will build muscle? I say 160, over a period of 8-12 weeks.
Even if he juices, he needs to get to 165, tops. I'm not saying where he should go from there. But to get his ass in bodybuilding gear (no pun intended), he will be best served by making a B-line to VERY LEAN before going any farther.
Discuss.
i can tell from your lposts that you have never worked out. to gain maximum muscle in reality he should increase weight, strength will increase, nutrient partioning with more muscle, can increase insulin sensitivity etc.
he will not have more muscle at 160 then 180. he can either have the same or less but not more. unless he gains muscle while losing weight(a complicated procedure).
why does he need to lose weight? please try to make sense.