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Re: Started the Adonis principles today - hardest workout ever!!
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Quote from: The True Adonis on Today at 01:51:51 AM
What is your caloric range when you diet and mantain under 10 percent?
DrugFree4Life
Getbig II
Posts: 272
Sad to say, I only consume abut 22-2400 cals per day. Anytime I have tried the 'traditional' way of eating (which for me would involve consuming 3500+ cals), I have only gotten fat. I cant do that anymore. I personally want to remain leaner so that prepping for shows is easier. I think its a hell of a lot easier to get leaner that way. Ask any of the guys who are the most shredded naturals.....they dont get above 8%.
For those that are asking me as well,
My caloric range is 2000-2900 daily.
And I stay Ripped and well under 8 percent like DrugFree4Life does.
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sounds logical for a natural
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Re: Started the Adonis principles today - hardest workout ever!!
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Quote from: The True Adonis on Today at 01:51:51 AM
What is your caloric range when you diet and mantain under 10 percent?
DrugFree4Life
Getbig II
Posts: 272
Sad to say, I only consume abut 22-2400 cals per day. Anytime I have tried the 'traditional' way of eating (which for me would involve consuming 3500+ cals), I have only gotten fat. I cant do that anymore. I personally want to remain leaner so that prepping for shows is easier. I think its a hell of a lot easier to get leaner that way. Ask any of the guys who are the most shredded naturals.....they dont get above 8%.
For those that are asking me as well,
My caloric range is 2000-2900 daily.
And I stay Ripped and well under 8 percent like DrugFree4Life does.
Sounds like he's not burning off more than he's taking in....stop training HIT and start doing some actual training, problem solved!
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dont tell me u tried eating more apenis?? of course u got fat ur body wen natural cant digest that much food juice can help
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All drugs.
If pussy is a drug...then I am all over that statement.
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If pussy is a drug...then I am all over that statement.
Can you post some pictures so they can see who you are?
That back shot will do just nicely.
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Sounds like he's not burning off more than he's taking in....stop training HIT and start doing some actual training, problem solved!
I dont train HIT....I tried it...and I didnt care for it. As for actual training.....here is my last chest workout:
Flat Dumbell Bench : 120x9, 105x9, 105x7
Incline Bench: 225x11, 225x7, 185x10
Body Master's Bench Machine: 235x8, 235x6
I know its shitty weight....but thats a general chest workout for me. I do an absolute 2sec negative on everything and I dont pause mid-set.
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I dont train HIT....I tried it...and I didnt care for it. As for actual training.....here is my last chest workout:
Flat Dumbell Bench : 120x9, 105x9, 105x7
Incline Bench: 225x11, 225x7, 185x10
Body Master's Bench Machine: 235x8, 235x6
I know its shitty weight....but thats a general chest workout for me. I do an absolute 2sec negative on everything and I dont pause mid-set.
Thats some impressive DB work.
Show us some pics!
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I dont train HIT....I tried it...and I didnt care for it. As for actual training.....here is my last chest workout:
Flat Dumbell Bench : 120x9, 105x9, 105x7
Incline Bench: 225x11, 225x7, 185x10
Body Master's Bench Machine: 235x8, 235x6
I know its shitty weight....but thats a general chest workout for me. I do an absolute 2sec negative on everything and I dont pause mid-set.
Again, you are not burning off more than you take in, if you are not doing cardio, then train volume, with 60sec rests!
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I am only pointing out what I eat. When I diet for shows I dont get the major hunger pains. In fact I just eat because I know its time to do so. If someone can get away with eating a ton more, then more power to them. For me, its also part mental...if i bend over I HATE that feeling of the roll over the pants.
If I wasnt battling some damn problem with my left elbow I would think those numbers would be higher...but until that thing goes away...those weights will have to stay. Probably some problem with the anconeus muscle. Its weird, the first couple of reps on dumbell benching the elbow feels weak. After that I am fine. I cant afford a tear, so I am overly cautious.
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I am only pointing out what I eat. When I diet for shows I dont get the major hunger pains. In fact I just eat because I know its time to do so. If someone can get away with eating a ton more, then more power to them. For me, its also part mental...if i bend over I HATE that feeling of the roll over the pants.
If I wasnt battling some damn problem with my left elbow I would think those numbers would be higher...but until that thing goes away...those weights will have to stay. Probably some problem with the anconeus muscle. Its weird, the first couple of reps on dumbell benching the elbow feels weak. After that I am fine. I cant afford a tear, so I am overly cautious.
PICTURES!
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Again, you are not burning off more than you take in, if you are not doing cardio, then train volume, with 60sec rests!
I actually am going to try doing an experiment on myself. I am dropping training to 4 days a week and working the body twice a week (i.e. Sat/sun then Tue/wed). Sat/sun will be heavy with higher volume. The Tue/Wed one will be higher reps, less rest, etc. I will do 3 days of 20 - 30 mins of cardio.
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I actually am going to try doing an experiment on myself. I am dropping training to 4 days a week and working the body twice a week (i.e. Sat/sun then Tue/wed). Sat/sun will be heavy with higher volume. The Tue/Wed one will be higher reps, less rest, etc. I will do 3 days of 20 - 30 mins of cardio.
Are you going to do my Deadlift Challenge Technique every week? I recommend it.
Also, PICTURES.
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Are you going to do my Deadlift Challenge Technique every week? I recommend it.
Also, PICTURES.
Pictures may come beginning of April as I will decide if I am doing a show by then. If I do, I will do my customary picture taking at the beginning of a diet.
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Pictures may come beginning of April as I will decide if I am doing a show by then. If I do, I will do my customary picture taking at the beginning of a diet.
Show your old ones!
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This is a shot of me about a week or so out from 2006....
I was weighing about 197 - 199 here (I think)
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This is a shot of me about a week or so out from 2006....
I was weighing about 197 - 199 here (I think)
Good job man keep up the good work and eat your vitamins brother!!
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Good job man keep up the good work and eat your vitamins brother!!
Ha ha....all the other hulk-a-maniacs do, so why not?
In any event....I got SMOKED at my first pro show. Wasnt pretty. I hope it doesnt happen again. I got the obligatory 2 - 3 sentences in the latest NB&F though.
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Ha ha....all the other hulk-a-maniacs do, so why not?
In any event....I got SMOKED at my first pro show. Wasnt pretty. I hope it doesnt happen again. I got the obligatory 2 - 3 sentences in the latest NB&F though.
Look you know how to make yourself better, so don't knock it, it was your first pro show. Every body gets their cherry popped! Just don't bleed to death over it.
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This is a shot of me about a week or so out from 2006....
I was weighing about 197 - 199 here (I think)
Your chest looks 'shopped to hell, but if it's real, that's a mighty fine chest. Good overall.
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Your chest looks 'shopped to hell, but if it's real, that's a mighty fine chest. Good overall.
He is as real as it gets my friend.
Truly a great bodybuilder and one of the best PRO NATURALS.
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I do think his conditioning can improve Greatly and I think we should all offer help and support to get him to the best level possible. This is what he needs to work on most and that he can easily achieve.
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Re: Started the Adonis principles today - hardest workout ever!!
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Quote from: The True Adonis on Today at 01:51:51 AM
What is your caloric range when you diet and mantain under 10 percent?
DrugFree4Life
Getbig II
Posts: 272
Sad to say, I only consume abut 22-2400 cals per day. Anytime I have tried the 'traditional' way of eating (which for me would involve consuming 3500+ cals), I have only gotten fat. I cant do that anymore. I personally want to remain leaner so that prepping for shows is easier. I think its a hell of a lot easier to get leaner that way. Ask any of the guys who are the most shredded naturals.....they dont get above 8%.
For those that are asking me as well,
My caloric range is 2000-2900 daily.
And I stay Ripped and well under 8 percent like DrugFree4Life does.
Define natural. Does that mean taking 4 sustenon per week instead of the usual 8? 1 anadrol 50 per day instead of the usual 4? HGH? There is NO such thing as a natural competative bbdr. I wish to God you "natural crusaders" would understand that. It does not exist on a competetive stage.
PB
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DrugFree4Life, good job and keep up the good work. In general I agree with the caloric range
how tall are you?
Adonis, he actually has muscle mass...you don't
no one disagrees with the premise that most people over eat and that a caloric defecit will produce weight lost. What we find offensive is you passing off other people's ideas as yours.
go to any gym and look around, of the serious work out people you will find a bunch of fat people lifting weights. It dawned of me a long time a go that "they train just as hard as me if not harder, they train just as long as me if not longer"
so the only other variable is that they are over eating. I droppped my caloric intake and started seeing results. Oddly enough everyone is saying that I am look bigger even though I have lost some weight. My weight has stabilized but the BF keeps going down.
Seeing someone like DrugFree4Life only gives me more motivation
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Sociopath:
Someone whose social behavior is extremely abnormal. Sociopaths are interested only in their personal needs and desires, without concern for the effects of their behavior on others.
Make no mistake............this represents the psychological profile of Adonis.
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DrugFree4Life, good job and keep up the good work. In general I agree with the caloric range
how tall are you?
Adonis, he actually has muscle mass...you don't
no one disagrees with the premise that most people over eat and that a caloric defecit will produce weight lost. What we find offensive is you passing off other people's ideas as yours.
go to any gym and look around, of the serious work out people you will find a bunch of fat people lifting weights. It dawned of me a long time a go that "they train just as hard as me if not harder, they train just as long as me if not longer"
so the only other variable is that they are over eating. I droppped my caloric intake and started seeing results. Oddly enough everyone is saying that I am look bigger even though I have lost some weight. My weight has stabilized but the BF keeps going down.
Seeing someone like DrugFree4Life only gives me more motivation
I am glad I helped contribute to your revelation.
Just think, if you didn`t read what I put out there, your conciousness to the matter would have NEVER been raised. You would have remained fat. The bottom line of my message is to eat less and to not overeat. What you choose to eat is up to you. I like eating anything I want and using my formula to determine the amount as it is highly accurate. I am glad that you could take something away from this.
On a side note, Drugfree4life is nearing 40 years old. I would like him to answer this honestly: What was he like at my age?
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This is a shot of me about a week or so out from 2006....
I was weighing about 197 - 199 here (I think)
No idea if you are drug free but I completely believe that you can have that degree of mass/muscularity and be drug free.
But here's what's funny. drugfree4life BLOWS true adonis OUT OF THE WATER, yet he spend zero time on getbig promoting himself and injecting himself/his ideas into every friggin' thread. Adnoise on the other hand, with a much inferior phyqisue, will think nothing of commenting in a thread on, say the presidnetial election, with, "Yes, McCain is running for president and i have a new principle for all you naturals out there! While on the toilet, contract your calves every time you squeeze and they'll be as big as mine!"
So adonis, looking at drugfree4life and the fact that he only offers advice WHEN ASKED FOR, what does that tell you?
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I am glad I helped contribute to your revelation.
Just think, if you didn`t read what I put out there, your conciousness to the matter would have NEVER been raised. You would have remained fat. The bottom line of my message is to eat less and to not overeat. What you choose to eat is up to you. I like eating anything I want and using my formula to determine the amount as it is highly accurate. I am glad that you could take something away from this.
On a side note, Drugfree4life is nearing 40 years old. I would like him to answer this honestly: What was he like at my age?
where did I say that I was fat?
and no, this revelation happened prior to my knowledge of getbig. I always found it weird that all of regular gym "warriors" always had visible fat around their mid section. As stated I didn't think that it was their work routine. So clearly it had to be their dietary habits, oddly enough, these fuckers think that they are bulking. Unless you are going on stage their is no need to bulk.
my only problem with you is your "reinventing the wheel" and taking credit
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I think DrugFree4Life would need to lose about 5-8 more pounds from that picture he posted.
Brian Whitacre has been cleaning up at 165 lbs at 5`10. I think he may be unbeatable in a sense. Curt, do you find that your weight class is easier in a sense, as the overall winner for Natural Bodybuildings usually goes to the best middleweight or lightweights.
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This is the condition that Curt needs and can achieve if he wants.
He may have to lose a bit more than 8 lbs come to think of it. Id say 5-10.
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looking good DrugFree4Life!
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What was he like at my age?
If you are about 26 - 28, I believe I was a fat ass. I think I was around 12 - 13%. I really didnt feel the need to be lean. I was thoroughly into the heavy weights eat as much as I can thing.
No idea if you are drug free but I completely believe that you can have that degree of mass/muscularity and be drug free.
Life-time drug free. The closest I have ever come to touching anything was these cases:
1) Smelled the empty bottle of test because it said it was suspended in cottonseed oil and I couldnt understand why they did that (yes, I was niave)
2) Used two different pro hormones back in 1996 & 1997. One was AST's (I believe) Androstenedione and the other was Ultimate Nutritions Nor-19. The AST was shit..didnt do anything. The Nor-19 though....wow. Got MAJORLLY agressive with it.
I think DrugFree4Life would need to lose about 5-8 more pounds from that picture he posted.
Brian Whitacre has been cleaning up at 165 lbs at 5`10. I think he may be unbeatable in a sense. Curt, do you find that your weight class is easier in a sense, as the overall winner for Natural Bodybuildings usually goes to the best middleweight or lightweights.
I believe if I were to com ein another 5 or so lbs leaner I woud definitely place better. I was about 193 (I believe) for my pro show. If I were to come in about 185 - 190, I think I would be near the top. I might do a show this year, and then take two years off and then compete masters. Its tough competing against guys 10 - 15yrs younger who have the same knowledge I do. I can say that I only really got VERY lean starting with my 2002 show. So, thats really only 5 years. Some of these guys have been doing that for 10 or so.
For my show there was only a heavyweight and a lightweight class. It sucked because they had guys at 170lbs against guys who were nearly 200lbs. Not fair in my book. They wanted to keep the weight classes the same. I call bullshit. I say leave them the way they are. If you have 10 in one class and 3 in another...so be it!!!
We shall see how this year turns out!
On a side note....I think adam COULD do well in natural shows. I dont know why he wont try it though. In the past I have done the reallly high protiein (upwards of 400gms a day)...and have even tried going way low (.8gm per lb of lean mass). I know where I feel comfortable. I know how I feel when I take in less than my particular amount. For me I look at it like this. Adam has his theories. Thats fine. He feels he can be at a certain percentage whenever he feels like it. We have yet to see a bodybuilder do a show utilizing those methods. Could he be the first? Why not? But the fact remains that people will diet for shows the way they always have. If 99 out of a 100 people exhibit the fact that squatting is the best way to get big legs...and there is one person yelling and screaming that leg extensions are the best way....whats going to happen? People will discount that one person. But that one person has found what works for HIM. To be even more precise....I dont get shit out of bent-over rows. Never have...never will. I have done 315 for a set of 4...and what did it get me? A whole lotta nothing. No sore lats, mid back, nothing. Yet, I will do a low row machine and my back is torn up!!
I tried a ketogenic diet some years back. Loved it....for the first few weeks. I never got tired, lethargic, or lost my brain power. I just got tired of eating so high in fat and then carb loading on the weekends. I will say this though....the pump you get the first day back to the gym after the weekend carb loads...ABSOLUTELY FUCKING ADDICTING!!!! You sweat like a pig.....but your pumps are FREAKY FREAKY FREAKY!!!!!
Here is my theory for dieting and growth:
1) Find something and give it an honest try
2) If it works refine it, perfect it, maximize the results
3) If its not working...go back to step #1