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GERMAN JUDGE RULES KORAN ALLOWS WIFE ABUSE
By Charles Johnson
The nihilistic dead end of multiculturalism has been attained in Germany, where a female judge seemingly forgot which culture’s laws she was supposed to uphold: German judge rules Koran allows wife abuse. (Hat tip: LGF readers.)
BERLIN (AFP) - A German woman judge has refused a Moroccan-born woman permission to file for divorce by interpreting the Koran as allowing husbands to beat their wives.
“Where are we living? Woman judge allows beating in marriage... and invokes the Koran,” said a front-page headline in Germany’s top-selling Bild newspaper, reflecting the widespread angry reaction on Thursday.
“This Moroccan woman has the same right to protection from a violent husband as any German woman. Anything else would be misconceived sensitivity to the benefit of the husband and would amount to racist discrimination against the wife,” said the Tageszeitung daily.
The Central Council of Muslims in Germany also condemned the decision. “The judge should have made a decision based on the German constitution instead of the Koran,” said spokeswoman Nurhan Soykan, who said that violence and mistreatment, regardless of the gender of the victim, were also grounds for divorce in the Islamic world.
A court in the western city of Frankfurt on Wednesday upheld a complaint of bias against the judge lodged by the lawyer of the 26-year-old woman, who has two children.
The woman had filed for immediate divorce on the grounds that the husband, also of Moroccan origin, regularly beat her and threatened to kill her. The claims were backed up by a police report. But the female judge, who has not been named, made clear in a letter that the wife’s bid had little chance of approval because, according to her, Islamic law allowed a man to strike his wife.
The judge is not wrong, and it’s not hard to find examples of leading Islamic scholars who would agree. But there’s still a difference between shari’a and the German legal system—isn’t there?
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WTF? ???
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This is a non issue. The koran DOES allowing the abuse of your wife, and the koran IS the WORD OF GOD. Therefore infallible - a perfect framework for life and law.
What's your problem Cavalier22? You know better than God himself?
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the koran IS the WORD OF GOD. Therefore infallible -
hahahahahahaha
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Once again..the muslim religion proved to be immoral and debased.
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hahahahahahaha
What's funny? The koran was recited to muhammad via angel gabriel direct from god and the "mother of books", the book that the koran is a complete and perfect copy.
The koran is infallible, it's laws perfect and just.
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Nordic is studing the enemy......good for him.
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What's funny? The koran was recited to muhammad via angel gabriel direct from god and the "mother of books", the book that the koran is a complete and perfect copy.
The koran is infallible, it's laws perfect and just.
hahahahahahaha
(http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/quran_burning_toilet.jpg)
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This one's worse. :-\
Quebec Judge Raymonde Verreault cited “extenuating circumstances” when she handed down a 23-month sentence in 1994 to a man who had repeatedly sodomized his stepdaughter from the time she was 9 until 11. The victim did not have any “permanent scars” from the sexual assaults, according to Judge Verreault, because the attacker had respected the values of her Muslim faith and had “spared her virginity” by not engaging in vaginal intercourse. Besides, the girl may have encouraged the accused because she “harboured hatred” against her mother.
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This one's worse. :-\
Quebec Judge Raymonde Verreault cited “extenuating circumstances” when she handed down a 23-month sentence in 1994 to a man who had repeatedly sodomized his stepdaughter from the time she was 9 until 11. The victim did not have any “permanent scars” from the sexual assaults, according to Judge Verreault, because the attacker had respected the values of her Muslim faith and had “spared her virginity” by not engaging in vaginal intercourse. Besides, the girl may have encouraged the accused because she “harboured hatred” against her mother.
:o Outrageous. This is just sick.
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This one's worse. :-\
Quebec Judge Raymonde Verreault cited “extenuating circumstances” when she handed down a 23-month sentence in 1994 to a man who had repeatedly sodomized his stepdaughter from the time she was 9 until 11. The victim did not have any “permanent scars” from the sexual assaults, according to Judge Verreault, because the attacker had respected the values of her Muslim faith and had “spared her virginity” by not engaging in vaginal intercourse. Besides, the girl may have encouraged the accused because she “harboured hatred” against her mother.
Did the girl have 4 male witnesses to these "crimes" committed against her? If not, it is SHE that is guilty and should be put to death or get lashes as the koran - the infallible word of god - describes.
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Nordic is this stuff actually in the Koran or are some Muslims doing these things "in the name" of their religion?
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Nordic is this stuff actually in the Koran or are some Muslims doing these things "in the name" of their religion?
I've been thinking about that too, but I'm too lazy to pick up an english translation of the koran. :-X I wont ask a strict muslim because he/she might not give me a straight answer.
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Nordic is this stuff actually in the Koran or are some Muslims doing these things "in the name" of their religion?
Firstly, wake up, the media has clearly molded your mind on the topic of islam to be exactly how liberal apologists desire. Your responce tells me you believe this isn't an issue with the koran (islam as an whole) - rather it's the result only of "extremists".
4 women = 1 man in islamic law, as pescribed by the koran - the infallible word of God:
4:15 “If any of your women are guilty of lewdness, take the evidence of four witnesses from amongst you against them; if they testify, confine them to houses until death claims them.”
24:6 “And for those who launch a charge against their wives, accusing them, but have no witnesses or evidence, except themselves; let the testimony of one of them be four testimonies, (swearing four times) by Allah that he is the one speaking the truth.”
Now, you can beat your wife if you like for not pleasing you, or to be honest, you can treat the bitch any which way you like so long as there isn't a man who will testify against you or atleast 4 women, as the scapegoat clause above (24:6) allows.
4:34: “Men are the maintainers of women because Allah has made some of them to excel others and because they spend out of their property; the good women are therefore obedient, guarding the unseen as Allah has guarded; and (as to) those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them, and leave them alone in their sleeping places and beat them; then if they obey you, do not seek a way against them; surely Allah is High, Great.”
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Firstly, wake up, the media has clearly molded your mind on the topic of islam to be exactly how liberal apologists desire. Your responce tells me you believe this isn't an issue with the koran (islam as an whole) - rather it's the result only of "extremists".
4 women = 1 man in islamic law, as pescribed by the koran - the infallible word of God:
4:15 “If any of your women are guilty of lewdness, take the evidence of four witnesses from amongst you against them; if they testify, confine them to houses until death claims them.”
24:6 “And for those who launch a charge against their wives, accusing them, but have no witnesses or evidence, except themselves; let the testimony of one of them be four testimonies, (swearing four times) by Allah that he is the one speaking the truth.”
Now, you can beat your wife if you like for not pleasing you, or to be honest, you can treat the bitch any which way you like so long as there isn't a man who will testify against you or atleast 4 women, as the scapegoat clause above (24:6) allows.
4:34: “Men are the maintainers of women because Allah has made some of them to excel others and because they spend out of their property; the good women are therefore obedient, guarding the unseen as Allah has guarded; and (as to) those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them, and leave them alone in their sleeping places and beat them; then if they obey you, do not seek a way against them; surely Allah is High, Great.”
What my question should have told you is I simply didn't know. I don't usually ask questions I know the answer to (unless I'm being sarcastic). I know nothing about Islam or the Koran. You do. That's why I asked you the question. Thanks for the response.
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I've been thinking about that too, but I'm too lazy to pick up an english translation of the koran. :-X I wont ask a strict muslim because he/she might not give me a straight answer.
How can he NOT give a straight answer? The koran isn't open to interpretation, it's the infallible word of God - it is definitive. The perfect framework for life and government and other social issues.
There is only one answer in the koran - and that is that. God spoke exactly thru the angel Gabriel who in turn spoke directly to muhammad who neither altered or added to passages. Although, conveniently god gave him passages to work in his advantage now and again, for example when aisha spent a night alone with another man, she said she had done no wrong. Muhammad was torn about what to believe... "is my wife truthful?, or did she have a nice gang bang session last night". god quickly came to muhammads aid, for he told him aisha had not cheated and divulged some passages.
Nice, wish I had that priveledge.
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How can he NOT give a straight answer? The koran isn't open to interpretation, it's the infallible word of God - it is definitive. The perfect framework for life and government and other social issues.
Easy there, tiger. I dunno, but might not strict muslims hide facts of their faith? I asked this one girl some questions about islam the religion just to make her angry and I didn't get one straight answer, rather I got "I'm not like that" and "Not all muslims are like that." And she said atheists belong in hell. ;D
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Easy there, tiger. I dunno, but might not strict muslims hide facts of their faith? I asked this one girl some questions about islam the religion just to make her angry and I didn't get one straight answer, rather I got "I'm not like that" and "Not all muslims are like that." And she said atheists belong in hell. ;D
Well, according to the infallible word of god (the koran) if she refuses to accept ANY part of the koran as 100% truth, she too will suffer the same fate as non-believers - eternal torment and doom in hell fire by allah himself (the koran tells us he will enjoy it too!)
You should ask her if it would be ok for her future husband to slap her around if she's not in the mood for sex when he demands it. Ask her if she's believes that on a jury of women, each individual women only accounts for 1 man.
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Who cares what the Koran says, the bigger question is...
WHY THE FUCK IS A GERMAN JUDGE BASING HER DECISION ON RELIGIOUS LAW RATHER THAN GERMAN LAW?? DID EUROPE BECOME A THEOCRACY WHEN I WASN'T LOOKING?? :o
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Why cares what the Koran says, the bigger question is...
WHY THE FUCK IS A GERMAN JUDGE BASING HER DECISION ON RELIGIOUS LAW RATHER THAN GERMAN LAW?? DID EUROPE BECOME A THEOCRACY WHEN I WASN'T LOOKING?? :o
That's what the fuck I wanna know... Who gives a shit what a religion says... It's GERMAN LAW that matters.
Dude, I'm so with you on this one... This is the most FUCKED UP shit i've ever heard.
I bet the German public goes insane over this one.
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the infallible word of god (the koran)
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From a muslim perspective try to refute ANYTHING I have said.
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wait...if ya keep posting stuff like this...i might just be temped to convert! ;D
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wait...if ya keep posting stuff like this...i might just be temped to convert! ;D
When you convert back to islam makes sure you believe everything in the koran as 100% truth with no falsehoods. Otherwise you might as well not even bother because your fate will be the same as mine: eternal doom in hell fire where allah himself will torture you.
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When you convert back to islam makes sure you believe everything in the koran as 100% truth with no falsehoods. Otherwise you might as well not even bother because your fate will be the same as mine: eternal doom in hell fire where allah himself will torture you.
lol..i happened to have read bits n pieces of the bible .. and stells exemplifies what a christian is
aannnndd....you aren't a christian.. ;)
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Christianity is just as bad as Islam. At base it's the same fuccking religion, and they both suck. The only reason they're perceived differently is that Christianity is about 500 years ahead of Islam in toning down some of its more objectionable parts and making itself more adaptable in the modern age. But seriously... the Christianity of 500 years ago is very similar to the Islam of today.
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Christianity is just as bad as Islam. At base it's the same fuccking religion, and they both suck. The only reason they're perceived differently is that Christianity is about 500 years ahead of Islam in toning down some of its more objectionable parts and making itself more adaptable in the modern age. But seriously... the Christianity of 500 years ago is very similar to the Islam of today.
You're being kind. I would say 250 years.
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:o Outrageous. This is just sick.
I remembered that story because it was all over the news, and people thought the judge had a psychotic break. Get the feeling, judges being as fallible as anyone else, are sometimes affected by their own feelings and prejudices... and are in a position to say "screw it, you're part of this objectionable ideology, now go wallow in it."
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Christianity is just as bad as Islam. At base it's the same fuccking religion, and they both suck. The only reason they're perceived differently is that Christianity is about 500 years ahead of Islam in toning down some of its more objectionable parts and making itself more adaptable in the modern age. But seriously... the Christianity of 500 years ago is very similar to the Islam of today.
you and i both know goat most of the educated muslim population does not believe that..they interpret the koran differently..plus nords taking this from fundie christian sites.. :-\
as you know..most of the night clubs in DC and G-town are muslim arab owned :-\.. (panaroma productions...Masood A and his crew)
< ;D the ones if you r black they'll look at your shoes and say "wrong shoes cant go in" but if you r a white blondie chick you can drink for free lol..sad>
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G o a t b o y, Deedee post some evidence for your stance.
Toxic, you don't interpret the word of god. It's definitive - there is no room for interpretation. It's says what it says - 100% correct in EVER instance - God makes NO mistakes.
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G o a t b o y, Deedee post some evidence for your stance.
Toxic, you don't interpret the word of god.
yeah there is..its SAYS in the koran that people may interpret the world of god differently..and those that do so to be cruel to women and children are as bad as kafirs (non believers)..
there is NO pope in the muslim world..every individual is left to their own interpretation.. ;)
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yeah there is..its SAYS in the koran that people may interpret the world of god differently..and those that do so to be cruel to women and children are as bad as kafirs (non believers)..
False
there is NO pope in the muslim world..every individual is left to their own interpretation.. ;)
Catholicism != Christianity
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I remembered that story because it was all over the news, and people thought the judge had a psychotic break. Get the feeling, judges being as fallible as anyone else, are sometimes affected by their own feelings and prejudices... and are in a position to say "screw it, you're part of this objectionable ideology, now go wallow in it."
I agree. I think judges always bring their entire life experience to the table.
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False
ahhh you bitter angry little man... :-\
i can now almost bet $ that some brownie porked your girl..
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G o a t b o y, Deedee post some evidence for your stance.
Toxic, you don't interpret the word of god. It's definitive - there is no room for interpretation. It's says what it says - 100% correct in EVER instance - God makes NO mistakes.
I'm not going to plow through 17 miles of internet threads for you... but come on! The Spanish Inquisition didn't end until the early 1800's. Go take a look through some history books and you'll find interesting torture methods of all kinds, designed especially for heretics. Disembowellings, burnings at the stake, too disgusting to mention them all... and these were all for public consumption. Small children were thrown into prison for stealing a loaf of bread well into the 1800's. What about the Salem witch hunts? Russian pogroms against the Jews. I could go on and on...
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ahhh you bitter angry little man... :-\
i can now almost bet $ that some brownie porked your girl..
I'm not angry, but what you say is false. Simple as that. Can't put it any simpler for you.
False with the last sentance too, pretty weak comeback, totally over used by you. Shows how low your intelligence is, your mind is aligning that fabricated issue with my criticism of islam - a religion. Your degree of education stinks; to you, religion and race aren't exclusive, they're one.
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I'm not angry, but what you say is false.
ok prove it.. :-\
i've actually read the koran 2ice..back 2 front..you haven't :-\
:-*
now if you WANT to believe muslims r an evil scruge , then its a free world..thats totally up to you.. :)
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I'm not going to plow through 17 miles of internet threads for you... but come on! The Spanish Inquisition didn't end until the early 1800's. Go take a look through some history books and you'll find interesting torture methods of all kinds, designed especially for heretics. Disembowellings, burnings at the stake, too disgusting to mention them all... and these were all for public consumption. Small children were thrown into prison for stealing a loaf of bread well into the 1800's. What about the Salem witch hunts? Russian pogroms against the Jews. I could go on and on...
you do realize deedles that now he's gonna follow you around getbig for a few months trying to pwn ya.. :-\
well better you than me ;D
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I'm not going to plow through 17 miles of internet threads for you... but come on! The Spanish Inquisition didn't end until the early 1800's. Go take a look through some history books and you'll find interesting torture methods of all kinds, designed especially for heretics. Disembowellings, burnings at the stake, too disgusting to mention them all... and these were all for public consumption. Small children were thrown into prison for stealing a loaf of bread well into the 1800's. What about the Salem witch hunts? Russian pogroms against the Jews. I could go on and on...
Right, you see it's easier to de-attached Christianity from these acts due to the circumstances and the fact that none of these issues were prescribed by Christianity.
The Spanish Inquisition was to benefit the Spanish Empire building phases, allowing it to remain competitive against Britain. Please also note the ideology here was Catholicism. Is Catholicism == Christianity? No, refute it if you believe otherwise - i'm interested to see your responce.
Interesting methods of killing and torturing aren't prescribed by the bible. I don't even think the koran prescribes individual torturing and killing methods beyond beheading and chopping off hands and fingers for certain criminal acts or against non-believers.
Salem witch hunts is an isolated and complex case where social behaviour and group thinking is more the cause, certainly not prescribe by Christianity.
Research the "Pogroms": http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pogrom
Please do go on with your stance, but this time, link it directly to what Christianity prescribes as I have done countlessly with islam.
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ok prove it.. :-\
i've actually read the koran 2ice..back 2 front..you haven't :-\
I'm afraid I've read it and continue to research many different religions continually.
now if you WANT to believe muslims r an evil scruge , then its a free world..thats totally up to you.. :)
Muslims are individuals. Islam is evil. Islam != muslims. Muslims are the perpetrators of the evils of islam.
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I'm afraid I've read it and continue to research many different religions continually.
now THAT is a lie...
i just dont see you going into a mosque buying one..
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now THAT is a lie...
i just dont see you going into a mosque buying one..
Oh shit yeah, you've got me! You actually have to goto a mosque these days to buy a copy of the koran ::)
http://froogle.google.com/froogle?q=koran+English+Translation+&btnG=Search
You really are stupid :-\
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False
Catholicism != Christianity
True, but Catholicism is the OLDEST form of Christian church.
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Oh shit yeah, you've got me! You actually have to goto a mosque these days to buy a copy of the koran ::)
http://froogle.google.com/froogle?q=koran+English+Translation+&btnG=Search
still dont quite seeing you reading about something that ya hate soo much..
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still dont quite seeing you reading about something that ya hate soo much..
I ain't reading it... I don't hate it, but I'm not spending my time reading stuff I'm not in to... I had to read the Bible as a kid and I'm not doing that antmore either.
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True, but Catholicism is the OLDEST form of Christian church.
And? What's your next point? Does this nominate the other Christians as guilty for the ways of the Catholic church?
Toxic: know thy enemy.
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And? What's your next point? Does this nominate the other Christians as guilty for the ways of the Catholic church?
Toxic: know thy enemy.
My point is that most of the belief systems that Christians adhere to are directly related to the Catholic church... I'm not saying anyone is guilty of anything, but I do think that when you look back at Christianity as a whole, you have to look at where it came from and the wrong doings that have been done by that lineage.
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My point is that most of the belief systems that Christians adhere to are directly related to the Catholic church... I'm not saying anyone is guilty of anything, but I do think that when you look back at Christianity as a whole, you have to look at where it came from and the wrong doings that have been done by that lineage.
Evidence? It'd be more accurate if you reversed it.
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Evidence? It'd be more accurate if you reversed it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Council_of_Nicaea
Done by the Catholic church... You may disagree of course.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Council_of_Nicaea
Done by the Catholic church... You may disagree of course.
Yes, it is the reverse of your point. Read the Wiki article.
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Yes, it is the reverse of your point. Read the Wiki article.
I have... I see it my way... no harm in disagreeing view points.
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Christianity does not promote violence.
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Right, you see it's easier to de-attached Christianity from these acts due to the circumstances and the fact that none of these issues were prescribed by Christianity.
The Spanish Inquisition was to benefit the Spanish Empire building phases, allowing it to remain competitive against Britain. Please also note the ideology here was Catholicism. Is Catholicism == Christianity? No, refute it if you believe otherwise - i'm interested to see your responce.
Interesting methods of killing and torturing aren't prescribed by the bible. I don't even think the koran prescribes individual torturing and killing methods beyond beheading and chopping off hands and fingers for certain criminal acts or against non-believers.
Salem witch hunts is an isolated and complex case where social behaviour and group thinking is more the cause, certainly not prescribe by Christianity.
Research the "Pogroms": http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pogrom
Please do go on with your stance, but this time, link it directly to what Christianity prescribes as I have done countlessly with islam.
If there be found among you, within any of thy gates which the LORD thy God giveth thee, man or woman, that hath wrought wickedness in the sight of the LORD thy God, in transgressing his covenant, And hath gone and served other gods, and worshipped them, either the sun, or moon, or any of the host of heaven, which I have not commanded; ... Then shalt thou bring forth that man or that woman, which have committed that wicked thing, unto thy gates, even that man or that woman, and shalt stone them with stones, till they die.
-- Deuteronomy, Chapter 17:2-3,5
There are plenty of references in the Christian bible that exhorts violence against those that do not follow its precepts. The good book is basically a manual for behavior and all of its precepts can be interpreted in different ways, dependant on the tolerance of the society or culture. What I mentioned in my post was indicative of the acts "commited in the name of Christianity" by a less than evolved society. We just happened to move it along a little faster, while the Muslim nation in many ways, is stuck in centuries old interpretations of their manual.
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You should all read 'The God Delusion' by Richard Dawkins. Christianity and Islam aren't all that different, yet they are in the savages that follow. Which explains why christianity is about several hundred years ahead of islam.
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All of Jesus's teachings promote nonviolence. The old testament is a peace of crap.
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If there be found among you, within any of thy gates which the LORD thy God giveth thee, man or woman, that hath wrought wickedness in the sight of the LORD thy God, in transgressing his covenant, And hath gone and served other gods, and worshipped them, either the sun, or moon, or any of the host of heaven, which I have not commanded; ... Then shalt thou bring forth that man or that woman, which have committed that wicked thing, unto thy gates, even that man or that woman, and shalt stone them with stones, till they die.
-- Deuteronomy, Chapter 17:2-3,5
There are plenty of references in the Christian bible that exhorts violence against those that do not follow its precepts. The good book is basically a manual for behavior and all of its precepts can be interpreted in different ways, dependant on the tolerance of the society or culture. What I mentioned in my post was indicative of the acts "commited in the name of Christianity" by a less than evolved society. We just happened to move it along a little faster, while the Muslim nation in many ways, is stuck in centuries old interpretations of their manual.
Old testiment = Jewish doctorine.
Also, why doesn't these theories transgress into the primitive Christian populations in the middle east? How come, if Christianity is as bad, that Christians don't do evils in the name of Christ in the lesser developed part of the world?
Have these people also been able to progress mutually exlusively from that of Western Christians somehow?
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From a muslim perspective try to refute ANYTHING I have said.
I am not doubting that what you said is in the KORAN....I am saying the KORAN isn't the "infallible word of GOD." The koran,just like the bible,was written by people.
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Old testiment = Jewish doctorine.
Also, why doesn't these theories transgress into the primitive Christian populations in the middle east? How come, if Christianity is as bad, that Christians don't do evils in the name of Christ in the lesser developed part of the world?
Have these people also been able to progress mutually exlusively from that of Western Christians somehow?
All of Jesus's teachings promote nonviolence. The old testament is a peace of crap.
Good to know that the old testament is a peace [sic] of crap! I guess we can tell the creationists to bugger off then, and forget about those ten little rules God handed Moses... alert everyone that we can now fornicate with our neighbors, covet their wives. In fact the old testament is utlized and consulted by Christians, and most certainly definitely was utilized throughout history. It basically serves as the foundation for the new testament.
If you believe that Christianity is a pacifist religion you are dead wrong. It isn't. When Jesus said to "turn the other cheek" he was not admonishing people to passively meet violence with non-violence. He was telling the people to leave the avenging of wrongs in the hands of their governments. I think even Beach will back me up on this. Btw... didn't George Bush say that God speaks to him, that he is a "messanger for God"? (And totally without judgement here either way, just stating a fact...) Haven't you noticed that we aren't shipping kittens and gift baskets over to the middle east ???
I don't know why you have this obsession with making your point a two-fer, although I can understand your frustration at having your country turned upside down by a backward culture. I think I would completely freak if I had to live among as many burkas and niqabs as you do... that being said, why can't you just say "muslin fundamentalism sucks," without simultaneously screaming at the top of your lungs that Christianity on the other hand is as perfect as angels riding a moonbeam? Our European ancestors commited disgusting, atrocious acts in the name of Christianity because they didn't know any better, whether you like to see that or not. However, we have evolved in the last couple of hundred years to become the enlightened culture that we are. If you don't believe it, then I suppose you'll have to concede that since so much murder was commited in the name of Christ over centuries, it certainly isn't a very effective pacificist religion.
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Of course atrocities have been committed in the name of Christianity in the past. I think we just differ on some particulars-how long ago, how bad, and whether or not those perpetrating the violent, cruel acts were really motivated by the teachings of Jesus Christ or by a lust for power where religion was invoked to act as superficial justification. For example, the intertwined power structure of the Church and Royal Families made any slight or disobedience to the Church a perceived threat to the status quo-which resulted in the barbarism of the Inquisition.
I think my main two points are this:
If one examines and takes to heart the teachings of Jesus Christ, the main prophet/god of the Christian faith, he or she would be very peaceful and compassionate towards all life.
If one examines and takes to heart the teachings and life of Mohamed, the main prophet of the Muslim religion, he or she would be inclined ,to and justified in, committing all forms of barbaric violence and brutality towards fellow human beings.
Those last two points are, in my eyes, indisputable.
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If one examines and takes to heart the teachings and life of Mohamed, the main prophet of the Muslim religion, he or she would be inclined ,to and justified in, committing all forms of barbaric violence and brutality towards fellow human beings.
REALLY?
one of the stories i grew up with ws mohd used to walk a certain path every friday for friday prayers and out of hatred for islam a hindu woman would throw her trah on him as he passed below..
one time she failed to do so ..soo being curious he checked up on her..and finding her sick..stayed with her and nursed her back to health..
as i said before mate..if you MUST hate muslims to justify your pro war attitude to console your heart of " we really r doing good" well..so be it..its a free country..
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I don't know why you have this obsession with making your point a two-fer, although I can understand your frustration at having your country turned upside down by a backward culture. I think I would completely freak if I had to live among as many burkas and niqabs as you do... that being said, why can't you just say "muslin fundamentalism sucks," without simultaneously screaming at the top of your lungs that Christianity on the other hand is as perfect as angels riding a moonbeam?
articulate when angry...its a rarity..
:)
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Good to know that the old testament is a peace [sic] of crap! I guess we can tell the creationists to bugger off then, and forget about those ten little rules God handed Moses... alert everyone that we can now fornicate with our neighbors, covet their wives. In fact the old testament is utlized and consulted by Christians, and most certainly definitely was utilized throughout history. It basically serves as the foundation for the new testament.
If you believe that Christianity is a pacifist religion you are dead wrong. It isn't. When Jesus said to "turn the other cheek" he was not admonishing people to passively meet violence with non-violence. He was telling the people to leave the avenging of wrongs in the hands of their governments. I think even Beach will back me up on this. Btw... didn't George Bush say that God speaks to him, that he is a "messanger for God"? (And totally without judgement here either way, just stating a fact...) Haven't you noticed that we aren't shipping kittens and gift baskets over to the middle east ???
I don't know why you have this obsession with making your point a two-fer, although I can understand your frustration at having your country turned upside down by a backward culture. I think I would completely freak if I had to live among as many burkas and niqabs as you do... that being said, why can't you just say "muslin fundamentalism sucks," without simultaneously screaming at the top of your lungs that Christianity on the other hand is as perfect as angels riding a moonbeam? Our European ancestors commited disgusting, atrocious acts in the name of Christianity because they didn't know any better, whether you like to see that or not. However, we have evolved in the last couple of hundred years to become the enlightened culture that we are. If you don't believe it, then I suppose you'll have to concede that since so much murder was commited in the name of Christ over centuries, it certainly isn't a very effective pacificist religion.
I agree. You cannot discount the Old Testament. Some extremely violent God-sanctioned killings are discussed in the Old Testament. And like you said, the OT contains the creation story and God's law. The OT also predicts the birth of Jesus. There are numerous instances where the New Testament quotes the OT.
But there is a marked change in the NT when it comes to violence. No mass killings. Not much discussion of violence.
I also agree that Jesus wasn't a pacifist. Turn the other cheek doesn't mean you cannot defend yourself, or take proactive steps to protect yourself. Nor does it mean you don't punish criminals.
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alert everyone that we can now fornicate with our neighbors, covet their wives.
YES!!! :D
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REALLY?
one of the stories i grew up with ws mohd used to walk a certain path every friday for friday prayers and out of hatred for islam a hindu woman would throw her trah on him as he passed below..
one time she failed to do so ..soo being curious he checked up on her..and finding her sick..stayed with her and nursed her back to health..
as i said before mate..if you MUST hate muslims to justify your pro war attitude to console your heart of " we really r doing good" well..so be it..its a free country..
What about muhammad himself beheading hundreds of men from a tribe, simply by not submitting to muhammad?
What about removing Jews from the arab peninsula?
Molesting children is also a nice way to gain prophethood.
Funny how you've hijacked this thread Deedee after not being able to refute my statesments. Please note that you should open your own Pro-Islam thread and Anti-Christian threads in the future and not hijack mine.
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The koran is just a book. It is NEVER ok to abuse anyone
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The koran is just a book. It is NEVER ok to abuse anyone
Well here's the dangerous part:
Every muslim MUST accept it to be of 100% truth.
Muhammad is the greatest example anyone could ever have to lead their lives.
This means muslims can marry and molest 6 year old children and murder.
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What about muhammad himself beheading hundreds of men from a tribe, simply by not submitting to muhammad?
What about removing Jews from the arab peninsula?
Molesting children is also a nice way to gain prophethood.
Funny how you've hijacked this thread Deedee after not being able to refute my statesments. Please note that you should open your own Pro-Islam thread and Anti-Christian threads in the future and not hijack mine.
I'm not pro-Islam at all... but you're awfully obsessive about your views on Christianity. You can't stand to admit even the slightest discussion into the picture. However, I think I did refute at least some of your statements. Also, I thought this was Cav's thread, not yours, and if he prefers me not to post in his threads I'm pretty sure he'd feel comfortable enough to send me a PM saying so.
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Does anyone here actively belong to any organized religion? Just curious
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REALLY?
one of the stories i grew up with ws mohd used to walk a certain path every friday for friday prayers and out of hatred for islam a hindu woman would throw her trah on him as he passed below..
one time she failed to do so ..soo being curious he checked up on her..and finding her sick..stayed with her and nursed her back to health..
I'm sure there were hindus in the arabian peninsula in the 7th century AD. hahaha ::)
Are you just plain fucking stupid or did your gas station attendant daddy brainwash you?
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Of course atrocities have been committed in the name of Christianity in the past. I think we just differ on some particulars-how long ago, how bad, and whether or not those perpetrating the violent, cruel acts were really motivated by the teachings of Jesus Christ or by a lust for power where religion was invoked to act as superficial justification. For example, the intertwined power structure of the Church and Royal Families made any slight or disobedience to the Church a perceived threat to the status quo-which resulted in the barbarism of the Inquisition.
I think my main two points are this:
If one examines and takes to heart the teachings of Jesus Christ, the main prophet/god of the Christian faith, he or she would be very peaceful and compassionate towards all life.
If one examines and takes to heart the teachings and life of Mohamed, the main prophet of the Muslim religion, he or she would be inclined ,to and justified in, committing all forms of barbaric violence and brutality towards fellow human beings.
Those last two points are, in my eyes, indisputable.
I would agree with you... I just don't separate our violent past, and the OT from our experience as Christians. I see things more in line with the way Beach does... but I completely agree that anyone who truly follows the teachings of Christ would be leading a life of tolerance, empathy, and inner peace.
Haven't read enough of the Koran to make any intelligent comment, however, the idea of fundamentalist ideologies of this nature spreading west and taking over scares the crap out of me.
YES!!! :D
Lol!
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I'm not pro-Islam at all... but you're awfully obsessive about your views on Christianity. You can't stand to admit even the slightest discussion into the picture. However, I think I did refute at least some of your statements. Also, I thought this was Cav's thread, not yours, and if he prefers me not to post in his threads I'm pretty sure he'd feel comfortable enough to send me a PM saying so.
True I was wrong to say it was "mine". However you clearly show compasion for islamic traits, either consciously and you won't admit it or sub consciously. Otherwise why do you bring up the topic of Christianity in this thread when the two are mutually exclusive on the threads topic?
I'm not obsessive about views on Christianity.
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I wonder if Acid throwing is allowed now in Germany?
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Judge Datz-Winter’s decision caused a furor in Germany, and she was quickly removed from the case. That may be one small sign that Europe is inching toward throwing off its multiculturalist blinders and recovering the spirit of General Sir Charles James Napier, the British Commander-in-Chief in India from 1849 to 1851. It is said that a Hindu delegation protested against the British prohibition of sati, the practice of burning a widow to death on her husband’s funeral pyre, by telling Napier that it was part of their cultural custom. Napier famously responded:
(I love this quote-Cav)
You say that it is your custom to burn widows. Very well. We also have a custom: when men burn a woman alive, we tie a rope around their necks and we hang them. Build your funeral pyre; beside it, my carpenters will build a gallows. You may follow your custom. And then we will follow ours.
It is long past time for authorities in Europe and the United States to begin to emulate Napier in their dealings with increasingly restive and demanding Islamic communities. Instead of issuing “religious diversity handbooks” and making special accommodations for Islamic practices, Western officials need to reassert the validity of our own laws and mores, and – at least as long as Europe’s suicidal immigration policies remain in place and neither Europe nor America treats immigration as a national security issue – remind newcomers that they are not welcome to bring with them customs and practices that are at variance with our own. This is the standard to which visitors and immigrants to Islamic countries are expected to adhere. The West should demand no less.
-Robert Spencer
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http://www.filecabi.net/video/mwifebeatings.html
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What about muhammad himself beheading hundreds of men from a tribe, simply by not submitting to muhammad?
and ya read this in the koran orrr on some site??
What about removing Jews from the arab peninsula?
i doubt it since my parents consider jews and christians as people of the book..
Molesting children is also a nice way to gain prophethood.
o good lord..for once post a link where it says ayesha ws 16..o wait..then you said she ws 15..n o wait..now its 12 is it?
Funny how you've hijacked this thread Deedee after not being able to refute my statesments. Please note that you should open your own Pro-Islam thread and Anti-Christian threads in the future and not hijack mine.
hijack??..dont cry..she soundly spanked you..
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Soundly spanked me: False
You're soundly retarded.
It's documented in the hadiths that muhammad himself had the ditches dug and beheaded many of the "men" himself. By men, I mean ANY male with pubic hair.
Funny how the koran tells you to kill whereever you find them. At one point saying jews will hide behind rocks and trees and that these objects will "speak" to tell the muslims where the jews can be found.
Who cares what your shitty arse parents think? They are individual muslims, and certain not the authority on islam that you think they are.
Aisha was 6 at marriage, marriage was consummated when she was 9.
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Who cares what your shitty arse parents think? They are individual muslims, and certain not the authority on islam that you think they are.
Remember who you are arguing with, someone who says things like this:
REALLY?
one of the stories i grew up with ws mohd used to walk a certain path every friday for friday prayers and out of hatred for islam a hindu woman would throw her trah on him as he passed below..
According to this fucktard there were hindus in 7th century AD arabia. ;D
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According to this fucktard there were hindus in 7th century AD arabia. ;D
you dont think there ws any idol worshipping back then?
guess i shoulda said "idol worshippers" instead of "hindu" but that woulda meant typing 2 words instead of 1..yes i'm THAT lazy..except when i come across dumbasses i gotta spoon feed..
and be flattered..i dont even do this for my students.. :-\
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Soundly spanked me: False
You're soundly retarded.
It's documented in the hadiths that muhammad himself had the ditches dug and beheaded many of the "men" himself. By men, I mean ANY male with pubic hair.
Funny how the koran tells you to kill whereever you find them. At one point saying jews will hide behind rocks and trees and that these objects will "speak" to tell the muslims where the jews can be found.
Who cares what your shitty arse parents think? They are individual muslims, and certain not the authority on islam that you think they are.
Aisha was 6 at marriage, marriage was consummated when she was 9.
you and camel should join forces to spread the word .and maybe camel will tell his parents that they r terrorists and join forces with you and kill them! good riddance it be too! ;D i mean he hates muslims soo he must hate his parents also ..who prolly pay his college bills..
and in the process..please for the love of god..err jesus..err i mean god..no wait err jesus..find camel a white girl..
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you dont think there ws any idol worshipping back then?
guess i shoulda said "idol worshippers" instead of "hindu" but that woulda meant typing 2 words instead of 1..yes i'm THAT lazy..except when i come across dumbasses i gotta spoon feed..
and be flattered..i dont even do this for my students.. :-\
ROFLMAO! You're fucking mental mate...
I actually know the story you're trying to tell... but it goes more like this:
A crazy women would always throw garbage on muhammad as he passed under her house because of the shit he would spout. Then one day the women got sick, and muhammad helped her.
That's the story. The hindu part wasn't a slip up by you, that's what you actually believed cause poppa and mamma muzzie told yah!
ROFL: guess i shoulda said "idol worshippers" instead of "hindu"
Hahaha, yeah we're buying that ::)
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you and camel should join forces to spread the word .and maybe camel will tell his parents that they r terrorists and join forces with you and kill them! good riddance it be too! ;D i mean he hates muslims soo he must hate his parents also ..who prolly pay his college bills..
and in the process..please for the love of god..err jesus..err i mean god..no wait err jesus..find camel a white girl..
WOW! What a great job of refuting my points! I'm HUMBLED into SUBMISSION! ::)
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WOW! What a great job of refuting my points! I'm HUMBLED into SUBMISSION! ::)
speak when spoken to ;)
i wasn't talking to you..