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Not surprising at all IMO.
Poll: A Surprising G.O.P. Edge for '08
Thursday, Mar. 29, 2007 By JAY CARNEY/WASHINGTON Former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani and US Sen. Hillary Clinton
Left, David Paul Morris / Getty; Hector Mata / AFP / Getty
Article ToolsPrintEmailReprints Could things be any worse for George W. Bush and his beleaguered party? In the new TIME poll, the President's job approval rating continues to wallow near his all-time lows, at 33%, while his disapproval rating breaks the 60% barrier for the third consecutive survey. On Iraq, meanwhile, just 38% of respondents think the U.S. was right to invade, and only 37% believe "the new Iraqi government will be able to build a stable and reasonably Democratic society." Given a choice of policy options going forward, 68% endorse proposals to withdraw most combat troops, either within a year or no later than August 31, 2008, while just 28% say troops should stay in the country "as long as needed until the Iraqis can handle the situation themselves."
And then there's the burgeoning scandal stemming from the Justice Department's dismissal last year of eight U.S. attorneys. Forty-eight percent of respondents say the federal prosecutors were fired because they "refused to be pressured by politics," compared to just 22% who believe they were dismissed "for proper reasons." By a 55-33% margin, Americans believe Bush is refusing to allow top aide Karl Rove and other White House aides to testify under oath "because he's trying to cover up the reasons for the firings" , not because he "wants to preserve the Constitution's separation of powers." A slight plurality, 39-36%, believe Attorney General Alberto Gonzales should resign.
So it's taken almost as a given among the professional political class that the 2008 presidential election is the Democrats' to lose. Republicans are so morose in general, and conservatives so unhappy with their current field of candidates, that the assumption of a Democratic advantage has become bi-partisan. And with the public so soured on the Republican in the White House, and so many other trends working against them, including an up-tick in the percentage of Americans identifying themselves as Democrats , it's hard to find any good news for Republicans these days. So why, in poll after poll, including the new TIME poll, does that advantage seem to disappear whenever voters are asked to pick a president in hypothetical head-to-head match-ups among front-runners with solid name recognition. In our poll, Hillary Clinton loses to John McCain, 42-48%, and to Rudy Giuliani 41-50%. Even though Clinton maintains a 7% edge over Obama among Democratic respondents, Obama fares better in the general election match-ups. It's so close that it's a statistical dead-heat, but Obama still loses: 43-45% to McCain, 44-45% to Giuliani.
It's hard to know exactly why respondents who are generally unhappy towards --and in many cases fed up with -- the GOP might still prefer a Republican for president over a Democrat. Much of it has to do with the individual candidates involved. In Clinton's case, as TIME pollster Mark Shulman points out, "with Hillary the Democratic front-runner, most voters have made up their minds about her, both pro and con. She may have limited upward potential against Republicans. The emerging anti-Hillaries, Obama and Edwards, suffer from low awareness at this point."
Another GOP advantage in these match-ups is the way the party's top two candidates are viewed by the public. "Giuliani and McCain are not traditional Republicans," says Shulman. "Rather they both have an independent streak that plays well in certain traditional Democratic bastions, such as the Northeast and California, the left and right coasts." As anyone following the campaign knows, the perceived "independent streak" that helps both McCain and Giuliani with the general electorate could hurt them, and possibly doom them, with GOP primary voters. Also, as Shulman points out, every Republican candidate is vulnerable because of his support for Bush's policy in Iraq and his closeness to Bush in general. "If Iraq persists as an issue, all of our polls show this will undercut Republican candidates," he says. "Being seen as 'close to Bush' is a real negative in the polls. When the campaign really heats up, the Democrats should have a lot of cards to play."
Democrats also may have a residual disadvantage going into 2008 - a long-standing disposition among voters to view Republicans as stronger on issues involving national security. Without question, Bush has done serious damage to the Republican brand in this arena. But, with the nation waging two wars and terrorism still a threat, that underlying sentiment might be one of the reasons GOP candidates appear competitive at all.
There are other interesting developments in the poll. John Edwards has surged among Democrats since he announced that his wife Elizabeth's cancer had recurred. In a three-way match-up, Clinton polls 38% among registered Democrats, vs 30% for Obama and 26% for Edwards. Edwards received just 17% in mid-March.
In the GOP race, Giuliani's post-announcement honeymoon appears to be over. The former New York City mayor's lead over erstwhile front-runner McCain has narrowed to 13 points, 35-22%, among registered Republicans, down from a 20-point lead two weeks ago.
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1604469,00.html?cnn=yes
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Which is it? Do you believe polls, or don't you?
I have showed you Scripps and Zogby polls showing 1/3 and 1/2 of Americans believing 911 was made to, or allowed, to happen. You rolled your eyes like a confused schoolgirl.
Suddenly there's a TIME poll and you're jizzing your pants. Make up your mind?
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Which is it? Do you believe polls, or don't you?
I have showed you Scripps and Zogby polls showing 1/3 and 1/2 of Americans believing 911 was made to, or allowed, to happen. You rolled your eyes like a confused schoolgirl.
Suddenly there's a TIME poll and you're jizzing your pants. Make up your mind?
This story has nothing to do with 911.
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The Dems need to find a home-grown, white bread and apple pie candidate that America can easily swallow right now.
This is not rocket science!
John Edwards - go care for your wife, man. Leave this bullshit alone (especially since you're not the man for the job anyway).
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The Dems need to find a home-grown, white bread and apple pie candidate that America can easily swallow right now.
This is not rocket science!
John Edwards - go care for your wife, man. Leave this bullshit alone (especially since you're not the man for the job anyway).
Edwards lost me when he pledged to raise my taxes.
Bill Richardson is a good candidate, but Hillary will crush him, unfortunately. And where is General Clark?
I think it's a two-horse race at the moment: Hillary and Obama.
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The Dems need to find a home-grown, white bread and apple pie candidate that America can easily swallow right now.
This is not rocket science!
John Edwards - go care for your wife, man. Leave this bullshit alone (especially since you're not the man for the job anyway).
I agree, too bad for the Dems that candidate doesn't exist. Their two leading candidates can't win and there's no one else in the party that can unseat those two anyway. I'd be more shocked if the Dems were actually leading in the polls.
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Edwards lost me when he pledged to raise my taxes.
Bill Richardson is a good candidate, but Hillary will crush him, unfortunately. And where is General Clark?
I think it's a two-horse race at the moment: Hillary and Obama.
Word is Mrs. Clinton is going to tap Gen. Wesley Clark as her running mate. She'll be tough to be at that point. Rudy Guliani will have to come up with a heavy too. Colin Powell would get my vote.
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I'm not suprised that GOP is leading. I don't think most americans realize that the senate and house have more effect on day to day life than the Pres. GOP turn out wasn't good in '06 but should be much better in '08. I personally would rather give the pres to a Dem in trade for the senate and house.
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Colin Powell would get my vote.
Me too. I hate Rudy, I'll be glad when more 9/11 information surges after the release of Loose Change Rudy won't have a chance in hell to even visit the white House.
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Word is Mrs. Clinton is going to tap Gen. Wesley Clark as her running mate. She'll be tough to be at that point. Rudy Guliani will have to come up with a heavy too. Colin Powell would get my vote.
I'm not convinced people vote the bottom of the ticket, but I do think someone like Clark would help Hillary a lot. Rudy/Powell would be very attractive in the general.
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This story has nothing to do with 911.
Your selective use of polls - they are worthless when you disagree and they are gospel when you believe them - makes you look like stir-fried ass. HTH.
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I think the problem is that the Dems lasted two seconds before they started their old tricks......Thus everybody who was understandably sick of the repubs, never saw a change. They started this war pull-out crap..knowing Bush would veto..wasting time........they let that shitbag Murtha rant and rave. Pelosi is an idiot. I like Webb abit. Obama has nothing constructive to say..you know what you get with Hilary. I think she would be ok. Obama..Americans will vote in a Black pres..but one named John smith or something..one who sounds alot like a friggen rag will never get in. Edwards needs to dela with his issues. For some reason people hate mormons..Romney is ok. Rudy is not a conservative..Mccain is done. That leaves Fred Thomson....I'd vote for him.
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Your selective use of polls - they are worthless when you disagree and they are gospel when you believe them - makes you look like stir-fried ass. HTH.
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I know, can we please get awy from 911. I promise to put 240's kid through college if its ever proven..but stop the pain please.
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LOL... fair enough. It's been huge news this week so I took notice again.
in all fairness tho - beach bum, either major polling firms are accurate, or they're full of crap. make up your mind and stop being one of those hypocrites who only believes in them when they like the result.
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LOL... fair enough. It's been huge news this week so I took notice again.
in all fairness tho - beach bum, either major polling firms are accurate, or they're full of crap. make up your mind and stop being one of those hypocrites who only believes in them when they like the result.
In all fairness, why don't you just shut the heck up already. I don't care about your stupid 911 conspiracy crap. Quit injecting it into darn near every thread on this board.
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In all fairness, why don't you just shut the heck up already. I don't care about your stupid 911 conspiracy crap. Quit injecting it into darn near every thread on this board.
I'll shut up and I won't mention 9/11 in this thread again.
Beach Bum, why do you sometimes say polls are valid and useful, and other times, that they're worthless and don't tell us anything?
Either they're backed in science and statistics and allow us to view the beliefs of a larger group based upon an appropruate population sample, or they're not. Telling me to "shut the heck up" won't do anything but remind the reader here that you don't want to answer this question.
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In all fairness, why don't you just shut the heck up already. I don't care about your stupid 911 conspiracy crap. Quit injecting it into darn near every thread on this board.
Beach, I'm one of your best friends and allies on here, but I agree. I don't use any Polls whether for my cause or not. But I also agree that I am tired of 9/11
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In this case I think he was ok to use em......I find it surprising that each time they show presidential polls..Rudy leads the dems as well as the repubs....its early but after 8 years of Bush its kinda surprising.
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This story has nothing to do with 911.
I'm sure you understand that his question was about your belief in the credibility of polls - why do you avoid the question?
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Edwards lost me when he pledged to raise my taxes.
Bill Richardson is a good candidate, but Hillary will crush him, unfortunately. And where is General Clark?
I think it's a two-horse race at the moment: Hillary and Obama.
I commend Edwards for being honest. Would you prefer he just lied to you instead?
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I'll shut up and I won't mention 9/11 in this thread again.
Beach Bum, why do you sometimes say polls are valid and useful, and other times, that they're worthless and don't tell us anything?
Either they're backed in science and statistics and allow us to view the beliefs of a larger group based upon an appropruate population sample, or they're not. Telling me to "shut the heck up" won't do anything but remind the reader here that you don't want to answer this question.
I don't answer your dumb straw man questions either. ::) Now scram.
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Beach, I'm one of your best friends and allies on here, but I agree. I don't use any Polls whether for my cause or not. But I also agree that I am tired of 9/11
I don't have a lot of faith in polls in general. I think you can manipulate answers based on the way the questions are asked. Many of the poll questions I've seen can be answered a number of ways. I would qualify my answers to many of these questions . . . if they ever called me.
I view them as discussion pieces for the most part. Plus I don't trust the media.
Re 911: I usually just avoid those threads altogether.
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In this case I think he was ok to use em......I find it surprising that each time they show presidential polls..Rudy leads the dems as well as the repubs....its early but after 8 years of Bush its kinda surprising.
I'm not totally surprised. Rudy is an attractive candidate in the general election. But I'm still not convinced he makes it out of the Republican primary.
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I'm sure you understand that his question was about your belief in the credibility of polls - why do you avoid the question?
Because I don't answer most of 240's dumb questions, particularly the straw man questions.
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I don't answer your dumb straw man questions either. ::) Now scram.
you seem really cranky today. Maybe you should try douching that sand out of your vagina and you might feel better
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I don't have a lot of faith in polls in general. I think you can manipulate answers based on the way the questions are asked. Many of the poll questions I've seen can be answered a number of ways. I would qualify my answers to many these questions . . . if they ever called me.
I view them as discussion pieces for the most part. Plus I don't trust the media.
Re 911: I usually just avoid those threads altogether.
you spend more time posting gay alerts than 240 does with the 9-11 stuff.
Mabye you find the gays to be the greater threat to your way of life
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I commend Edwards for being honest. Would you prefer he just lied to you instead?
Speaking of straw man questions. . . . Your name is apropos. :) I didn't say anything about his integrity or lying. I said he lost me when he said he would raise my taxes. I hate paying taxes. I think we are overtaxed across the board. I generally don't support any candidate who wants to take more of my hard earned money.
In fact, I didn't vote for Bush Sr. in large part because he broke his "Read my Lips. No New Taxes" pledge.
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you seem really cranky today. Maybe you should try douching that sand out of your vagina and you might feel better
LOL. Okay. Can I borrow your products?
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I think it's a two-horse race at the moment: Hillary and Obama.
And that's the problem, because neither is electable.
It's as if the democratic strategists are sabotaging their own campaign.
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you spend more time posting gay alerts than 240 does with the 9-11 stuff.
Mabye you find the gays to be the greater threat to your way of life
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Stay tuned for today's story. Rest assured, as soon as CNN puts it in the front page, again, I will post it on this board . . . just for you. :)
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LOL. Okay. Can I borrow your products?
I don't have a vagina - why don't you ask one of your girlfriends down at the beauty parlor
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And that's the problem, because neither is electable.
It's as if the democratic strategists are sabotaging their own campaign.
I agree. Democrats have had this problem for years. They keep putting dud after dud at the top of the ticket. They will likely do it again in 08 with Hillary.
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I agree, too bad for the Dems that candidate doesn't exist. Their two leading candidates can't win and there's no one else in the party that can unseat those two anyway. I'd be more shocked if the Dems were actually leading in the polls.
This election is served up on a platter and they're going to blow it. I'm so fed up with the current republican administration that I want them all tarred and feathered on the way out of town, but the democrats are refusing to even manufacture a decent candidate.
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I don't have a vagina - why don't you ask one of your girlfriends down at the beauty parlor
Tell the truth straw: you really do have a vagina. That's why you are knowledgeable about douching. Don't worry. Your secret is safe with me. :)
You mean my barbershop? It's almost all female. One guy. I tried the beauty parlor thing. Didn't like it.
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Speaking of straw man questions. . . . Your name is apropos. :) I didn't say anything about his integrity or lying. I said he lost me when he said he would raise my taxes. I hate paying taxes. I think we are overtaxed across the board. I generally don't support any candidate who wants to take more of my hard earned money.
In fact, I didn't vote for Bush Sr. in large part because he broke his "Read my Lips. No New Taxes" pledge.
You just figured that out eh?
Have you ever thought about putting the good of your country ahead of your own personal enrichment?
Edwards was being honest that we've got a some serious financial problems in this country and one of solutions could be to raise taxes
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This election is served up on a platter and they're going to blow it. I'm so fed up with the current republican administration that I want them all tarred and feathered on the way out of town, but the democrats are refusing to even manufacture a decent candidate.
Taxes aside, Edwards is a good candidate, even though I would never vote for him. Richardson is a good candidate. I doubt either one gets any serious consideration from Democrats.
Clark looks great on paper, but people just don't seem to like him.
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Tell the truth straw: you really do have a vagina. That's why you are knowledgeable about douching. Don't worry. Your secret is safe with me. :)
You mean my barbershop? It's almost all female. One guy. I tried the beauty parlor thing. Didn't like it.
well you just seemed so cranky that I figured it was either sand in your pussy or maybe you caught you son wearing a dress and playing with dolls
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Word is Mrs. Clinton is going to tap Gen. Wesley Clark as her running mate. She'll be tough to be at that point.
If she wasn't Hillary Clinton, I might agree with you, but she is Hillary Clinton and New York is not America.
She could have Jesus as her running mate and still not be electable.
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Edwards lost me when he pledged to raise my taxes.
Do you think the country needs to get out of debt? I don't like taxes either, but we've spend a TON of money over the past few years and our deficit and debt are climbing higher by the minute... Who should pay for it? Should your kids, or mine?
It's certainly not their fault that we are in this kind of monetary bind.
How much would either side cut spending?
The one thing that's bugged me about the Bush Administration is how the money is being spent so freely with no cuts in other parts of the budget, which I always thought was the Republican way... cut spending so you can cut taxes, where the Dems were increase taxes so you can increase spending... right now though we have the worst possible equation, increased spending, and lower taxes.
Where will the money come from? I'm all ears because I haven't got the answer because no one seems willing to cut spending where there are bullshit projects.
Pork, it's what's for dinner...
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If she wasn't Hillary Clinton, I might agree with you, but she is Hillary Clinton and New York is not America.
She could have Jesus as her running mate and still not be electable.
The reality is that right now, no female is electable... We haven't progressed that much as a country, plus, no decent women have stepped up to plate.
For a woman to become President, she will have to hit a homerun.
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You just figured that out eh?
Have you ever thought about putting the good of your country ahead of your own personal enrichment?
Edwards was being honest that we've got a some serious financial problems in this country and one of solutions could be to raise taxes
No. I figured it out a while ago, but just never said anything. :)
I said "We are overtaxed across the board." This means I favor a reduction of everyone's taxes. And it is entirely possible to balance the budget and fix financial problems without raising taxes. This is one of the reasons I don't typically support liberal candidates. Raising taxes seems to be all they know how to do when it comes to government money. My money.
Our Republican governor (the first one in over 40 years) led a billion dollar budget turnaround in four years without raising taxes. We now have a budget surplus. It is just remarkable. She forced our veto-proof liberal legislature to be fiscally responsible. This is my kind of thinking.
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well you just seemed so cranky that I figured it was either sand in your pussy or maybe you caught you son wearing a dress and playing with dolls
Me cranky? Nah. Never happens on this board. :)
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Do you think the country needs to get out of debt? I don't like taxes either, but we've spend a TON of money over the past few years and our deficit and debt are climbing higher by the minute... Who should pay for it? Should your kids, or mine?
It's certainly not their fault that we are in this kind of monetary bind.
How much would either side cut spending?
The one thing that's bugged me about the Bush Administration is how the money is being spent so freely with no cuts in other parts of the budget, which I always thought was the Republican way... cut spending so you can cut taxes, where the Dems were increase taxes so you can increase spending... right now though we have the worst possible equation, increased spending, and lower taxes.
Where will the money come from? I'm all ears because I haven't got the answer because no one seems willing to cut spending where there are bullshit projects.
Pork, it's what's for dinner...
See my prior post about how Governor Lingle balanced the budget without raising taxes. It can be done.
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I'm not convinced people vote the bottom of the ticket, but I do think someone like Clark would help Hillary a lot. Rudy/Powell would be very attractive in the general.
I agree on all three points.
Although I'm not a Giuliani fan myself, I can't say I necessarily dislike the guy - I'm just not a fan.
I'm a huge Colin Powell guy, though, and have been for almost two decades. Although I'm yet not convinced he wants any part of the job, he would certainly legitimize the GOP ticket, leaving me with no choice but to support it.
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For some reason people hate mormons..Romney is ok.
Most cults don't do too well in this country. But they've done extremely well, financially.
I think people hate them because of that whole magic underwear thing, though.
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I agree. Democrats have had this problem for years. They keep putting dud after dud at the top of the ticket. They will likely do it again in 08 with Hillary.
Without the Oprah endorsement, she goes nowhere.
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The reality is that right now, no female is electable... We haven't progressed that much as a country, plus, no decent women have stepped up to plate.
For a woman to become President, she will have to hit a homerun.
Exactly, and where not ready for a black President either, even if he's only half black. Why those two would be the leading two Democrats right now is a mystery. Doesn't anyone in power know that they won't be elected.
With a strong campaign and the right campaign manager Edwards or Gore would be better candidates.
Tre was right, the Dems are literally handing this one to the Republicans.
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No. I figured it out a while ago, but just never said anything. :)
I said "We are overtaxed across the board." This means I favor a reduction of everyone's taxes. And it is entirely possible to balance the budget and fix financial problems without raising taxes. This is one of the reasons I don't typically support liberal candidates. Raising taxes seems to be all they know how to do when it comes to government money. My money.
Our Republican governor (the first one in over 40 years) led a billion dollar budget turnaround in four years without raising taxes. We now have a budget surplus. It is just remarkable. She forced our veto-proof liberal legislature to be fiscally responsible. This is my kind of thinking.
I'd be up for having the tax debate with you but first we'd have to be able to agree on the facts and I just don't have time today. BTW - I'd have no problem with keeping taxes the same or even better reducing them but you gotta find a way to cut expenditures too (the idea that cutting taxes on the richest individuals and corporations as a method of increasing overall tax revenue is horse shit) and at the federal level that usually means the people most in need of government services are the ones who pay.
BTW - I'm all for lower taxes. I usually pay more in taxes that the majority of American's earn in a year. The US has more than enough tax revenue. The problem is how they spend the money. I'd like to see more money going to things like education, infrastructure, national health care etc... and a whole lot less as tax credits to oil companies, tax breaks for the uber rich, and no bid contracts to cronies for useless wars
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The Dems need to find a home-grown, white bread and apple pie candidate that America can easily swallow right now.
This is not rocket science!
Exactly. Just find a candidate who's not a douche, and he wins easily. But, nope, the Dems will fuck up what should have been a gimme.
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I don't have a vagina - why don't you ask one of your girlfriends down at the beauty parlor
was that supposed to be a slam?
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You just figured that out eh?
Have you ever thought about putting the good of your country ahead of your own personal enrichment?
Edwards was being honest that we've got a some serious financial problems in this country and one of solutions could be to raise taxes
LOL, obviously you have no idea how economics work. Raising taxes might take care of the governments debt but will take more money out of the working man's pocket. I bet you were in favor of raising the minimum wage too. Pay a guy an extra dollar an hour but the price of everything goes up. She he might be making more but having to spend more also, we call that breaking even
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Most cults don't do too well in this country. But they've done extremely well, financially.
I think people hate them because of that whole magic underwear thing, though.
I don't believe in the underwear, but my wifes grandmother is Mormon and wears her Jesus Jammies all the time...she was in a fire when in her teens and was burnt on every inch of her body except where the jammies were. Then she had Lupus in her older age and was in the hospital for months, nothing worked they tried all the medicine and everything. The day they sent her home was the first day she put the garments back on and within 24 hours all symptoms were gone. Again I DON"T believe in magic clothes but these two cases are a tad eary
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LOL, obviously you have no idea how economics work. Raising taxes might take care of the governments debt but will take more money out of the working man's pocket. I bet you were in favor of raising the minimum wage too. Pay a guy an extra dollar an hour but the price of everything goes up. She he might be making more but having to spend more also, we call that breaking even
I know a little something about economics
I derive zero value in discussing it with you, at least at this moment - opportunity cost and all
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I'd be up for having the tax debate with you but first we'd have to be able to agree on the facts and I just don't have time today. BTW - I'd have no problem with keeping taxes the same or even better reducing them but you gotta find a way to cut expenditures too (the idea that cutting taxes on the richest individuals and corporations as a method of increasing overall tax revenue is horse shit) and at the federal level that usually means the people most in need of government services are the ones who pay.
BTW - I'm all for lower taxes. I usually pay more in taxes that the majority of American's earn in a year. The US has more than enough tax revenue. The problem is how they spend the money. I'd like to see more money going to things like education, infrastructure, national health care etc... and a whole lot less as tax credits to oil companies, tax breaks for the uber rich, and no bid contracts to cronies for useless wars
I don't think we're that far apart on taxes. What I don't support is the Robin Hood approach (take from the "rich," give to "poor"). The redistribution of wealth approach is plain wrong IMO. Also, I start with the premise that this is our money and that the government should always be trying to figure out ways to let us keep our money.
I think if you're going to cut taxes, you cut them across the board.
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Because I don't answer most of 240's dumb questions, particularly the straw man questions.
You started a thread using a poll.
I asked you why you selectively choose to believe in their legitimacy.
It's not a dumb question - do you believe polls done my major independent polling firms are accurate, or not?
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lol @ Jesus Jammies
Glad your grandmother was ok.
Their belief in magic is way too sketchy for my blood. Between all of the 'protections', and 'blessings' (magic spells), and the 'penispriesthood'...what a bunch of whackos.
I think they're all gonna be pretty pissed when they die and find that a wooden box is really just a wooden box.
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lol @ Jesus Jammies
Glad your grandmother was ok.
Their belief in magic is way too sketchy for my blood. Between all of the 'protections', and 'blessings' (magic spells), and the 'penispriesthood'...what a bunch of whackos.
I think they're all gonna be pretty pissed when they die and find that a wooden box is really just a wooden box.
Dude did you see the south park when they showed up for Hell orientation? Give me an e-mail and I'll send you the clip
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See my prior post about how Governor Lingle balanced the budget without raising taxes. It can be done.
I agree... do you think EITHER group is going to do it?
I don't hear any of them saying they will cut spending on BS things.
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I agree... do you think EITHER group is going to do it?
I don't hear any of them saying they will cut spending on BS things.
I don't know. I doubt it. We need someone like Steve Forbes get people talking about wholesale changes in how the government manages our money.
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If you don't want increased taxes then support an Iraq pullout. ::)
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If you don't want increased taxes then support an Iraq pullout. ::)
I always support pulling out... ;)
Unless you've got a vasectomy.
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I always support pulling out... ;)
Unless you've got a vasectomy.
vasectomy = for non men
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vasectomy = for non men
Vasectomy = no worries ;D