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I watched that clip with the wife last night. I hate Rosie, but she made the pretty girl look pretty stupid over and over and over...
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Good clip.
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I can't stand rosie. However, she is pretty right in this clip. Very composed, too.
The blonde girl saying "at the time, nobody knew if Iraq did 911 and it was better to be safe and invade them"... that is just beyond ignorant.
I hope they do get physics professors on the show. Rosie is being smart to avoid the bait so they can label her a nut. She just wants a physics professor to tell her why WTC7 fell - why steel melted from fire - for the first time in history.
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I can't stand rosie. However, she is pretty right in this clip. Very composed, too.
The blonde girl saying "at the time, nobody knew if Iraq did 911 and it was better to be safe and invade them"... that is just beyond ignorant.
I hope they do get physics professors on the show. Rosie is being smart to avoid the bait so they can label her a nut. She just wants a physics professor to tell her why WTC7 fell - why steel melted from fire - for the first time in history.
The same thing happened on a different talk show. A women said about a potential war with Iraq, "Better them, than us."
Unbelievable.
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Her point about that being the first time in history that such a thing ever happened might hold a bit more water if something like 9/11 had ever happened before in history.
Boy, I'd love to be on that show. Within two weeks, Pumkinhead Rosie would be checked into a mental institution.
I understand her tactics. She's a bully until she runs into someone she can't bully. Then, she quickly switches into victim mode.
That's what happened with Donald Trump. She opened her mouth. Trump fired back, viciously, then, Rosie started hanging upside down to rid herself of the depression.
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Her point about that being the first time in history that such a thing ever happened might hold a bit more water if something like 9/11 had ever happened before in history.
Boy, I'd love to be on that show. Within two weeks, Pumkinhead Rosie would be checked into a mental institution.
I understand her tactics. She's a bully until she runs into someone she can't bully. Then, she quickly switches into victim mode.
That's what happened with Donald Trump. She opened her mouth. Trump fired back, viciously, then, Rosie started hanging upside down to rid herself of the depression.
Actually, stop for a second and read thru the facts. She is NOT talking about the buildings #1 and #2 - where the planes hit.
No, she is talking about world trade center SEVEN, which not hit with debris or any plane. Only fire. And in history, there have been MANY tall building fires, MUCH worse that this one. The madrid building in spain burned for 20+ hours and it never collapsed.
World trade 7 had very moderate fires, and for the first time in history, these fires converted the metal to liquid, and the concrete to fine talcum powder - in the entire building - in under 7 seconds.
So please, in the future, when you say "this had never happened in history", watch the rosie clip and learn that she was referring to WTC7, not those hit with planes.
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I can't stand rosie. However, she is pretty right in this clip. Very composed, too.
The blonde girl saying "at the time, nobody knew if Iraq did 911 and it was better to be safe and invade them"... that is just beyond ignorant.
I hope they do get physics professors on the show. Rosie is being smart to avoid the bait so they can label her a nut. She just wants a physics professor to tell her why WTC7 fell - why steel melted from fire - for the first time in history.
I would be more willing to watch if they brought 2 professors on with differing views and presented why it is and isn't possible.
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Actually, stop for a second and read thru the facts. She is NOT talking about the buildings #1 and #2 - where the planes hit.
No, she is talking about world trade center SEVEN, which not hit with debris or any plane. Only fire. And in history, there have been MANY tall building fires, MUCH worse that this one. The madrid building in spain burned for 20+ hours and it never collapsed.
World trade 7 had very moderate fires, and for the first time in history, these fires converted the metal to liquid, and the concrete to fine talcum powder - in the entire building - in under 7 seconds.
So please, in the future, when you say "this had never happened in history", watch the rosie clip and learn that she was referring to WTC7, not those hit with planes.
don't work much with steel, but being a pavement engineer, I have see the effects of intense heat on concrete and the failure it creates. Especially if there was poor workmanship during construction.
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I would be more willing to watch if they brought 2 professors on with differing views and presented why it is and isn't possible.
cool. the hot blonde on the show agreed too.
I hope it stays about science, and you don't have one of them yelling "treason", "holocaust", and "conspiracy nuts", while the other calmy gives facts and figures.
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don't work much with steel, but being a pavement engineer, I have see the effects of intense heat on concrete and the failure it creates. Especially if there was poor workmanship during construction.
very cool! I didn't know your background.
Failure is one thing.
But at WTC7, there were giant pools of molten steel. These pools were hotter than fire can reach. They were there for weeks.
NASA radar from above shows the ground temperatures for the entire complex were actually hotter than fire can peak at, for weeks afterwards. This is, to some, a smoking gun.
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cool. the hot blonde on the show agreed too.
I hope it stays about science, and you don't have one of them yelling "treason", "holocaust", and "conspiracy nuts", while the other calmy gives facts and figures.
if we could find a lib physisist that could behave calmly.... ;D
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So please, in the future, when you say "this had never happened in history", watch the rosie clip and learn that she was referring to WTC7, not those hit with planes.
No, I know exactly what I was saying, and I know exactly which building she was talking about.
Listen, you wanna spend the rest of your life chasing these theories, God bless. Don't expect the rest of us to follow suit.
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No, I know exactly what I was saying, and I know exactly which building she was talking about.
Listen, you wanna spend the rest of your life chasing these theories, God bless. Don't expect the rest of us to follow suit.
It's a building fire. Period. I'm sure most fire chiefs, who send their men into buildings burning MUCH worse than WTC7 ever year, would like to know why it collapsed like that.
It's a fire engineering issue and a physics issue. I'm not trying to get you to follow suit. I"m here to debate and learn and have fun. If I end up proven wrong, I'll be the first to write 'pwned' on my forehead in market and post it on youtube :)
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Her point about that being the first time in history that such a thing ever happened might hold a bit more water if something like 9/11 had ever happened before in history.
Boy, I'd love to be on that show. Within two weeks, Pumkinhead Rosie would be checked into a mental institution.
I understand her tactics. She's a bully until she runs into someone she can't bully. Then, she quickly switches into victim mode.
That's what happened with Donald Trump. She opened her mouth. Trump fired back, viciously, then, Rosie started hanging upside down to rid herself of the depression.
You're right, I bet she would run and hide from you. Just like she ran and hid from Trump.
I'm curious, does that land of delusion you live in cover real life too or just message boards?
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It's a building fire. Period. I'm sure most fire chiefs, who send their men into buildings burning MUCH worse than WTC7 ever year, would like to know why it collapsed like that.
It's a fire engineering issue and a physics issue. I'm not trying to get you to follow suit. I"m here to debate and learn and have fun. If I end up proven wrong, I'll be the first to write 'pwned' on my forehead in market and post it on youtube :)
wow, imagine that. Someone that works with concrete daily makes a statement about how heat affects concrete and it is ignored.....
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wow, imagine that. Someone that works with concrete daily makes a statement about how heat affects concrete and it is ignored.....
I did comment. Hey, what is your take on every piece of concrete, desk, table, computer, tile, light, etc in the building being converted to 100 micron FINE talcum powder in under 7 seconds?
The only thing that remained from WTC7 was molten steel. Anything not steel-based was powderized.
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You're right, I bet she would run and hide from you. Just like she ran and hid from Trump.
I'm curious, does that land of delusion you live in cover real life too or just message boards?
Maybe you should ask yourself that same question, since you average 5x as many posts on this board as I do.
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Maybe you should ask yourself that same question, since you average 5x as many posts on this board as I do.
So does that mean it does or doesn't translate into the real world?
By the way, the next time I mention that Bill O'Reilly (bully) will run and hide because I'm on his show please feel free to comment on my delusion.
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I did comment. Hey, what is your take on every piece of concrete, desk, table, computer, tile, light, etc in the building being converted to 100 micron FINE talcum powder in under 7 seconds?
The only thing that remained from WTC7 was molten steel. Anything not steel-based was powderized.
Ok, I'll bite this one time. I watched your video with the "expert" who claimed #7 falling was controlled demolition. However, when asked if he though whether there was time to wire the building for explosives AFTER the planes hit, he balked.
Are you saying that the building was wired BEFORE the planes hit?
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I did comment. Hey, what is your take on every piece of concrete, desk, table, computer, tile, light, etc in the building being converted to 100 micron FINE talcum powder in under 7 seconds?
The only thing that remained from WTC7 was molten steel. Anything not steel-based was powderized.
sorry, missed that....I can't comment on the other stuff, all I know is concrete and asphalt
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Ok, I'll bite this one time. I watched your video with the "expert" who claimed #7 falling was controlled demolition. However, when asked if he though whether there was time to wire the building for explosives AFTER the planes hit, he balked.
Are you saying that the building was wired BEFORE the planes hit?
I don't want to think about who did what, and when. To accuse a person of a crime - before we even agree a crime has been committed - is poor etiquette.
However - to answer your question - no - it was not feasible to wire the buildings after the planes hit. They were evauated due to fire. You need permits to blow up buildings. It takes a team weeks to cut the steel beams, place charges, wire and program the detonation sequence. It requires bringing explosives into the building- something you don't carry into a fire. No one was seen walking into the building - that would have been a MASSIVE team effort. Finally, they told us they didn't demolish it.
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sorry, missed that....I can't comment on the other stuff, all I know is concrete and asphalt
ok cool. on the concrete alone - would moderate fires cause every single piece of concrete in a 500-foot tall building to powderize, from your experience?
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I don't want to think about who did what, and when. To accuse a person of a crime - before we even agree a crime has been committed - is poor etiquette.
However - to answer your question - no - it was not feasible to wire the buildings after the planes hit. They were evauated due to fire. You need permits to blow up buildings. It takes a team weeks to cut the steel beams, place charges, wire and program the detonation sequence. It requires bringing explosives into the building- something you don't carry into a fire. No one was seen walking into the building - that would have been a MASSIVE team effort. Finally, they told us they didn't demolish it.
Am I missing something, here?
Isn't thing whole discussion about the building being BROUGHT down?
If it couldn't have been set up after, it had to be setup before.
There are no other options.
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ok cool. on the concrete alone - would moderate fires cause every single piece of concrete in a 500-foot tall building to powderize, from your experience?
If the wrong type of cement was used (some are designed to be subject to fires) and poor construction techniques were used (lack of consolidation for instance) and the size of aggregate used was either to small, or not plentiful enough....then an area of the building could fail. Once it started to fall then yes it could work similiar to a jackhammer on the way down "pulverizing" (for lack of better terms) concrete around it.
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Am I missing something, here?
Isn't thing whole discussion about the building being BROUGHT down?
If it couldn't have been set up after, it had to be setup before.
There are no other options.
The discussion is - why did it fall.
Official NIST report is that fire did it. Fire melted the steel into those pools of molten steel, and fire converted all the concrete to very fine powder.
We can believe this report, or not believe it.
If you don't believe it, you can start to hypothesize about who did what and when. Or, you can start investigating. That would include putting the owner on teh stand and ask him about his comments on "pull it". That would include testing the metal to see if explosives residue is found and if so, which nation the residue signature points to. They're all unique.
Before you can do any of this, you have to choose whether you believe fire did it, or something else did it.
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If the wrong type of cement was used (some are designed to be subject to fires) and poor construction techniques were used (lack of consolidation for instance) and the size of aggregate used was either to small, or not plentiful enough....then an area of the building could fail. Once it started to fall then yes it could work similiar to a jackhammer on the way down "pulverizing" (for lack of better terms) concrete around it.
From what I understand, that building had undergone massive STRUCTURAL renovation to accomodate Salomon Brothers, a brokerage house, moving in.
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If the wrong type of cement was used (some are designed to be subject to fires) and poor construction techniques were used (lack of consolidation for instance) and the size of aggregate used was either to small, or not plentiful enough....then an area of the building could fail. Once it started to fall then yes it could work similiar to a jackhammer on the way down "pulverizing" (for lack of better terms) concrete around it.
interesting. what is your opinion on this one:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8403741864603265979&q=wtc+7+new&hl=en
(8 seconds long)
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The discussion is - why did it fall.
No it's not.
Did you watch the tape of Rosie? If not, do so. She doesn't mince her words. She says bldg #7 was brought down by explosives. That's the discussion.
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interesting. what is your opinion on this one:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8403741864603265979&q=wtc+7+new&hl=en
(8 seconds long)
I'll have to watch it at home and get back to you, that site and youtube are blocked at work
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From what I understand, that building had undergone massive STRUCTURAL renovation to accomodate Salomon Brothers, a brokerage house, moving in.
It was a very asymmetrical building on the inside. The fact that is fell in a completely symmetrical and perfectly level way, that bothers some folks:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8403741864603265979&q=wtc+7+new&hl=en
Historically, when buildings collapse, they NEVER powderize. There is dust. But when it clears, every floor is stacked, broken, fuccked up, but still THERE. It might look like a 28 story pile of rubble. But 2 stories of molten steel? Some energy was present to powderize the concrete and send it hurling into the sea, and I'm not sure gravity and the weight of the building was anywhere near the amount of energy needed.
And the molten steel - nothing explains that away...
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No it's not.
Did you watch the tape of Rosie? If not, do so. She doesn't mince her words. She says bldg #7 was brought down by explosives. That's the discussion.
That is her opinion. The other woman believed it was fire. It is a debate, and the viewer makes up his own mind.
She first wants to have physics minds on to talk about how it fell. Because the moment we take away fire as the cause and agree it was explosives, a few things happen:
1) The entire story goes under scrutiny.
2) We realize Osama didn't wire building 7 and we suddenly realize there were more than 19 terrorists
3) We ask why the investigation never looked at wtc7
4) we ask when and who wired it.
5) we ask why the many govt offices in that building let themselves be wired.
6) we ask about why silverstein took $480 mil for fire collapse insurance on it.
7) we ask why the same company that *managed* the scene also *managed towers 1/2, and the oklahoma city collapse.
8) we ask many more questions.
And, this will lead to indictments, fingerpointing among traitors, and a serious undermining for the 'war on terror' when it turns out some of the terorrists are white guys in ties.
Once you walk away from the fire explanation, everything changes.