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“UFC ain’t shit, it ain’t but a fad. Anyone can put a tattoo on their head and get in a street fight. We should put Liddell against a good heavyweight, under Mayweather Promotions, and if Chuck wins, then I’ll give him a million dollars out of my own pocket.”
“These are guys who couldn’t make it in boxing, so they do (MMA). Boxing is the best sport in the world and it’s here to stay.”
What the fuck is he going on about, does he seriously think that he or any other pro boxer could go 1 on 1 with Chuck?! If it was under boxing rules then fair enough, but for god sake dont challenge the man under MMA rules cos he could very well end their career inside the opening round
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Of course it was boxing rules. I think liddel would agree with him. However, in mma things would be different, but that is why I do NOT get the boxing vs mma debate...they are completely seperate sports....
The debates should just stop and both sports go on.
I know mma guys that are known in mma for their hands and they would not get by the semis in the open NYS golden gloves tournament...and that's fine because I'm sure most boxers wouldn't get by the state semis in high school wrestling. completely diferent all together.
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Of course it was boxing rules. I think liddel would agree with him. However, in mma things would be different, but that is why I do NOT get the boxing vs mma debate...they are completely seperate sports....
The debates should just stop and both sports go on.
I know mma guys that are known in mma for their hands and they would not get by the semis in the open NYS golden gloves tournament...and that's fine because I'm sure most boxers wouldn't get by the state semis in high school wrestling. completely diferent all together.
Agreed
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true true, but some MMA guys hold pro boxing licenses and have fought and won at that level, i.e. Vitor, Jens, Nick Diaz etc. Now the quality of opposition leaves alot to be desired in comparison to Mayweather, RJJ and Hatton but they are still pros none the less
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mayweather is actually right
they are all guys that couldn't become top boxers
a top boxer makes far more money than an mma fighter
as far as chuck beating any top boxer in the octagon, what makes you think he would?
chuck likes to stand and trade punches, is he all of a sudden going to take guys to the ground?
any top 10 boxer 175lbs and up would own him
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mayweather is actually right
they are all guys that couldn't become top boxers
a top boxer makes far more money than an mma fighter
as far as chuck beating any top boxer in the octagon, what makes you think he would?
chuck likes to stand and trade punches, is he all of a sudden going to take guys to the ground?
any top 10 boxer 175lbs and up would own him
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You are wrong. High level boxers grew up boxing. High level mma guys grew up wrestling and/or doing martial arts. There are not many boxers making the big dough now, De la Hoya is more the exception. Chuck Liddell could take any boxer down.
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mayweather is actually right
they are all guys that couldn't become top boxers
a top boxer makes far more money than an mma fighter
as far as chuck beating any top boxer in the octagon, what makes you think he would?
chuck likes to stand and trade punches, is he all of a sudden going to take guys to the ground?
any top 10 boxer 175lbs and up would own him
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I aagree with you, Earl on all but your opinion about any top boxer 175 and over owning him.....
Chuck is very talented and the skills go way further than his hands. His kicks are amazing...fast and snappy and the shin is probably like a sledge hammer. I also think he has some wrestling and submission skill.
Boxers are just real tough! Most have been boxing since childhood. Most come from tough backrounds, whereas most mma guys (at least in america) have college backrounds which obviously indicate that their lives have been pretty easy. Boxers, like my brother, were thinking about how to get food for the day or doing manual labor to get some sneakers where mma guys are sitting in class in college....you can't make someone tough, they simply are it because of their life's experiences.
With that said, it seems most brazilian guys have more of a tougher backround.
Of course some boxers are just good at other skills like wrestling and would probably do pretty well in mma, but I gotta give mma guys credit where it's due.
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You are wrong. High level boxers grew up boxing. High level mma guys grew up wrestling and/or doing martial arts. There are not many boxers making the big dough now, De la Hoya is more the exception. Chuck Liddell could take any boxer down.
how does chuck win his fights?
with punches
nuff said
and that big dough with de la hoya comes to about 20 million per fight
not to mention boxing might be easier than mma seeing as how they only have to train for punches
mma guys just don't have the hands to do it well enough to make a better living
watch chuck throw a punch and compare the speed and technique with any top 10 boxer 175 and up
it's slow motion
if I were mayweather I would laugh at these guys too 8)
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Except that Kid Yamamoto would pick PBF up, slam him and GNP him to a KO.
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how does chuck win his fights?
with punches
nuff said
and that big dough with de la hoya comes to about 20 million per fight
not to mention boxing might be easier than mma seeing as how they only have to train for punches
mma guys just don't have the hands to do it well enough to make a better living
watch chuck throw a punch and compare the speed and technique with any top 10 boxer 175 and up
it's slow motion
if I were mayweather I would laugh at these guys too 8)
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Mayweather may laugh at them, but he doesn't know what he's talking about. Under mma rules he'd get leg kicked so hard he may not be able to stand after a few thai kicks, then he'd get choked the fuck out.
As far as mma guy being guys who couldn't make it in boxing...also wrong. Randy Couture was a D1 WRESTLER. Why would he have a desire to be a pro boxer? Answer...he never did. He got into mma because of hi wrestling background, and learn enough boxing to get by on his feet.
Mayweather should stick to preparing for DeLaHoya instead of talking about mma. ::)
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mayweather is actually right
they are all guys that couldn't become top boxers
a top boxer makes far more money than an mma fighter
as far as chuck beating any top boxer in the octagon, what makes you think he would?
chuck likes to stand and trade punches, is he all of a sudden going to take guys to the ground?
any top 10 boxer 175lbs and up would own him
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Madness.
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on boxing rules Chuck would have loss bad...Now, in MMA i think its at least 80% of chance for him (and i dont even like the guy) IF he is not stupid to just stay standing up trading punches.
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im sorry Earl but what you said is utter bollox IMO. Chuck could easily utilise kicks and keep them from moving, his wrestling is pretty good although hes never really needed it. Youre telling me hes going to go head on with a pro boxer punch for punch without doing anything else? nah he would have a solid enough strategy and kick the hell out of their legs. A boxer wouldnt have a clue how to defend those kicks as all he is used to is the hands
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Mayweather may laugh at them, but he doesn't know what he's talking about. Under mma rules he'd get leg kicked so hard he may not be able to stand after a few thai kicks, then he'd get choked the fuck out.
As far as mma guy being guys who couldn't make it in boxing...also wrong. Randy Couture was a D1 WRESTLER. Why would he have a desire to be a pro boxer? Answer...he never did. He got into mma because of hi wrestling background, and learn enough boxing to get by on his feet.
Mayweather should stick to preparing for DeLaHoya instead of talking about mma. ::)
I think mayweather could handle himself pretty well in mma if he trained for it
yeah couture was a D1 wrestler what is your point?
that doesn't mean his hands were good enough to be a top boxer even with all the training in the world
infact I think he did ameteur boxing at a young age but was a much better wrestler or that was what his mom wanted him to concentrate on
regardless he never would've made it, he's never knocked out an opponent
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Madness.
if i'm mad so are all mma fighters for not taking up boxing seeing as how a top boxer makes far more money
or maybe they just weren't good enough ;)
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im sorry Earl but what you said is utter bollox IMO. Chuck could easily utilise kicks and keep them from moving, his wrestling is pretty good although hes never really needed it. Youre telling me hes going to go head on with a pro boxer punch for punch without doing anything else? nah he would have a solid enough strategy and kick the hell out of their legs. A boxer wouldnt have a clue how to defend those kicks as all he is used to is the hands
if you saw the rampage fight he was getting completely owned by rampage's punches
dana white even kept saying that he should throw some leg kicks but he didn't, which tells me chuck's feet are far from a strong point
those leg kicks wouldn't be enough to stop a top boxer, he would easily land his punches on chuck and knock him out
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on boxing rules Chuck would have loss bad...Now, in MMA i think its at least 80% of chance for him (and i dont even like the guy) IF he is not stupid to just stay standing up trading punches.
chuck hates to go to the ground
notice how he always motions for his opponents to stand up?
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if you saw the rampage fight he was getting completely owned by rampage's punches
dana white even kept saying that he should throw some leg kicks but he didn't, which tells me chuck's feet are far from a strong point
those leg kicks wouldn't be enough to stop a top boxer, he would easily land his punches on chuck and knock him out
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No Chuck was having knee problems which he has since had surgery on since the Ortiz fight. . Great vid of Lennox getting thrown to the ground by Jeremy Williams. Chuck hates going to the ground with superior Jits guys. He took Overeem down when he was in trouble. And he did wrestle D1 at Cal Poly.
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No Chuck was having knee problems which he has since had surgery on since the Ortiz fight. . Great vid of Lennox getting thrown to the ground by Jeremy Williams. Chuck hates going to the ground with superior Jits guys. He took Overeem down when he was in trouble. And he did wrestle D1 at Cal Poly.
Doesnt he have his accounting degree? I give him a lot of credit for that.
accounting can put anyone to sleep faster than a rear naked choke.
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Doesnt he have his accounting degree? I give him a lot of credit for that.
accounting can put anyone to sleep faster than a rear naked choke.
he has it but it took him more than 4 years to get it ;D
chuck would be a lousy pro boxer ;)
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he has it but it took him more than 4 years to get it ;D
chuck would be a lousy pro boxer ;)
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And Earl you would be a lousy Fight analyst. Wether it would be boxing or Thumb wrestling.... :-X
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i think that the top boxers would kill the top mma fighters...the sheer speed would be too much man..those kicks wouldnt reach these dudes...oscar would absolutley murder chuck..speed+power...too much
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boxing is losing its appeal. mayweather is just try to stir things up..thats all. bottomeline is that people aren't buying boxing events anymore. mma is taking over
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i think that the top boxers would kill the top mma fighters...the sheer speed would be too much man..those kicks wouldnt reach these dudes...oscar would absolutley murder chuck..speed+power...too much
Big MAl... Which is longer a leg or an arm? Plus a boxer doesnt know how to defend a kick. And last time i checked what boxer trains to be on his back. Usually when they do the fights over. Hendo has got a steel head and I think he could take Pro boxer shots long enough to grab them and then G&P there ass... Same thing with a Kerr or Coleman back in the day..
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2 different sports
Mayweather is jealous because younger fans prefer MMA
I would take Fedor in a street fight over any boxer ;)
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I don't think you'd have to worry about the kicks, but you would have to defend the takedown. Takedown defense, or posture is opposite from boxing defense. Hands in and low is not hands up covering the ribs/jaw. Good wrestlers will close the gap, get the single, double, and it would be all over. Oscar would get taken down by Kid ALL DAY. Soon as a jab is thrown, Kid is in, game over.
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And Earl you would be a lousy Fight analyst. Wether it would be boxing or Thumb wrestling.... :-X
I would be excellent 8)
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I would take Fedor in a street fight over any boxer ;)
fedor yes
chuck I'm not so sure
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boxing is losing its appeal. mayweather is just try to stir things up..thats all. bottomeline is that people aren't buying boxing events anymore. mma is taking over
MMA fans are already beginning to chant "boring" at events. MMA has reached it's top audience and, as the reality show ratings show, will begin to decline in ratings significantly.
Boxing requires much more legit training. What I mean by that is that to be great at boxing (a top 5 fighter in the world and olympics) you MUST do it for many many years...since childhood. I know mma people that started 5 years ago and are WELL known names in the industry.
Not to take anything away from mma because I respect and love the sport, but boxing is always gonna be around, olympics, empire state type games, kid gloves etc. Also, boxing is most practiced by kids from the ghetto or people that grew up tough and struggled. MMA in america is getting a following of soft white kids that are weak grew up soft and went to college etc. You can teachj these kids or people skill, but you can not teah someone heart and toughness. Therefore I believe that the next generation of american mma students and athletes are going to be these kids and not legit tough guys so the sport will see a american decline or a brazilian take over.
The brazilian guys taht take up mma seem to be from legit tough backrounds and just simply had tougher lives...no college etc.
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MMA fans are already beginning to chant "boring" at events. MMA has reached it's top audience and, as the reality show ratings show, will begin to decline in ratings significantly.
Boxing requires much more legit training. What I mean by that is that to be great at boxing (a top 5 fighter in the world and olympics) you MUST do it for many many years...since childhood. I know mma people that started 5 years ago and are WELL known names in the industry.
Not to take anything away from mma because I respect and love the sport, but boxing is always gonna be around, olympics, empire state type games, kid gloves etc. Also, boxing is most practiced by kids from the ghetto or people that grew up tough and struggled. MMA in america is getting a following of soft white kids that are weak grew up soft and went to college etc. You can teachj these kids or people skill, but you can not teah someone heart and toughness. Therefore I believe that the next generation of american mma students and athletes are going to be these kids and not legit tough guys so the sport will see a american decline or a brazilian take over.
The brazilian guys taht take up mma seem to be from legit tough backrounds and just simply had tougher lives...no college etc.
Boxing training does take a lot of time to be REALLY GOOD. Boxing has tremendous potential for injury. You will see more and more differing type of athletes drawn to MMA. With the formulation of a rival league to the Zuffa empire, and the PPV revenue, more and more money gets maid, and better and diverging athletes enter it.
MMA like boxing gets a lot of kids from tough inner city areas. Look at who dominates it, Eastern Europeans, Brazillians. Vale Tudo was created in Brazil, a place many people would call a third world nation. With the wide ranging skillset, an MMA athlete can end a fight in more than one way. Boxing as a result will have more deaths, more injuries and shorter careers. Randy is still fighting, for Christ sakes. Chuck is nearly fourty. Now you will have an outlet for combat athletes who stopped at the national levels (judokas, wrestlers, kickboxers, boxers). You will see an increase of events, fighters.
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MMA fans are already beginning to chant "boring" at events. MMA has reached it's top audience and, as the reality show ratings show, will begin to decline in ratings significantly.
Boxing requires much more legit training. What I mean by that is that to be great at boxing (a top 5 fighter in the world and olympics) you MUST do it for many many years...since childhood. I know mma people that started 5 years ago and are WELL known names in the industry.
Not to take anything away from mma because I respect and love the sport, but boxing is always gonna be around, olympics, empire state type games, kid gloves etc. Also, boxing is most practiced by kids from the ghetto or people that grew up tough and struggled. MMA in america is getting a following of soft white kids that are weak grew up soft and went to college etc. You can teachj these kids or people skill, but you can not teah someone heart and toughness. Therefore I believe that the next generation of american mma students and athletes are going to be these kids and not legit tough guys so the sport will see a american decline or a brazilian take over.
The brazilian guys taht take up mma seem to be from legit tough backrounds and just simply had tougher lives...no college etc.
most of you statements were kind of ignorant to say it nicely. mma is a bunch or soft white kids with no heart or toughness....whatever
go tell chuck or rich that
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most of you statements were kind of ignorant to say it nicely. mma is a bunch or soft white kids with no heart or toughness....whatever
go tell chuck or rich that
Are you saying that lots of american mma known guys don't come from backrounds unlike boxers? Boxers, for the most part, come from tough lower class backrounds. American MMA go to college....if you go to college things were basically simple, compared to a guy from a tough upbringing.....Do you dis agree with that? What is your argument against it? Instead of saying it's ignorant, prove it wrong. Tell me the backround of most of the top American mma guys...not brazilian and then we will discuss. You got the forum, prove your point.
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Boxing training does take a lot of time to be REALLY GOOD. Boxing has tremendous potential for injury. You will see more and more differing type of athletes drawn to MMA. With the formulation of a rival league to the Zuffa empire, and the PPV revenue, more and more money gets maid, and better and diverging athletes enter it.
MMA like boxing gets a lot of kids from tough inner city areas. Look at who dominates it, Eastern Europeans, Brazillians. Vale Tudo was created in Brazil, a place many people would call a third world nation. With the wide ranging skillset, an MMA athlete can end a fight in more than one way. Boxing as a result will have more deaths, more injuries and shorter careers. Randy is still fighting, for Christ sakes. Chuck is nearly fourty. Now you will have an outlet for combat athletes who stopped at the national levels (judokas, wrestlers, kickboxers, boxers). You will see an increase of events, fighters.
I do agree with what you have said. It seems that mma athletes from other country's are coming from the tough, lower class areas....that's why I separated American mma athletes from others. For some reason mma has attracted lots of educated upper middle class people in america....In lower class areas, I don't see mma becoming as popular as boxing....except in areas dominated by south americans, Miami, Los angeles etc. How about you? Are you from America? If so, who do you see training in mma, other than south americans? I see white college guys.
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At the school I attend, there are a lot of professionals. But at some of the schools I have been at, you get a lot of tough kids from poor backrounds. One of the reasons I switched, was to attend a more BJJ oriented school with people who have to go to work jobs the next day and don't want to be tested by every 19-21 year old punk who wants to make a name for himself at a small show. BJJ, although very physical, doens't involve getting kneed and elbowed from side control, or having a knuckleheaded polynesian kid pick you up and slam you from a triangle attempt. Sparring is one thing, thinking it is cool to have constant black eyes, or getting your nose broke aint my cup of tea anymore. I'll stick to sub grappling and BJJ.
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Are you saying that lots of american mma known guys don't come from backrounds unlike boxers? Boxers, for the most part, come from tough lower class backrounds. American MMA go to college....if you go to college things were basically simple, compared to a guy from a tough upbringing.....Do you dis agree with that? What is your argument against it? Instead of saying it's ignorant, prove it wrong. Tell me the backround of most of the top American mma guys...not brazilian and then we will discuss. You got the forum, prove your point.
i am not going to debate this, you make it sound like because these "white kids" grow up go to college that they grew up soft. just because someone grew up with both parents that worked instead of living off the goverment doesn't mean they are soft. a lower class background doesn't make you hard or give you heart...thats all i am saying.
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i am not going to debate this, you make it sound like because these "white kids" grow up go to college that they grew up soft. just because someone grew up with both parents that worked instead of living off the goverment doesn't mean they are soft. a lower class background doesn't make you hard or give you heart...thats all i am saying.
Shit I am one of these lower class kids who grew up with shit. I've been training MMA for about 12 years or so. I also attend college by my choice I am the one paying for it. My parents don't pay a dime. I grew up running the streets just like any other kid from the bronx or philly. I choose MMA because God gave me more then my fists as weapons. You fight how you train and I didnt want to only know how to punch.... I wanted to be well rounded and a boxer is not well rounded.
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Shit I am one of these lower class kids who grew up with shit. I've been training MMA for about 12 years or so. I also attend college by my choice I am the one paying for it. My parents don't pay a dime. I grew up running the streets just like any other kid from the bronx or philly. I choose MMA because God gave me more then my fists as weapons. You fight how you train and I didnt want to only know how to punch.... I wanted to be well rounded and a boxer is not well rounded.
For every guy like you there are ten guys who will choose boxing as a "fighting sport" coming out of the inner city. Maybe that will change as the money gets bigger. But right now mma definitely draws more lower to middle-class American kids who grew up in suburban or rural areas and went to college, typically as wrestlers.
Most inner-city minority kids see fighting as something done with the hands, and aren't too keen on wrestling.
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For every guy like you there are ten guys who will choose boxing as a "fighting sport" coming out of the inner city. Maybe that will change as the money gets bigger. But right now mma definitely draws more lower to middle-class American kids who grew up in suburban or rural areas and went to college, typically as wrestlers.
Most inner-city minority kids see fighting as something done with the hands, and aren't too keen on wrestling.
I didnt start training the ground until later in life like the last 5 or 6 years. But when I started training I had seen what knees and elbows could do. So I wanted to learn how to train them and be comfortable using them. Also I wanted to know how to kick. After I learned how to stand and fight I knew the ground was what was next to learn and this after I had my ass handed to me by my old man who has trained for over 20 years and has stand up and ground game. Plus he was alot bigger so Ground game was a must. Now I feel like I can more then handle my self against a boxer, wrestler, or anyone who has only trained 1 area...
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I didnt start training the ground until later in life like the last 5 or 6 years. But when I started training I had seen what knees and elbows could do. So I wanted to learn how to train them and be comfortable using them. Also I wanted to know how to kick. After I learned how to stand and fight I knew the ground was what was next to learn and this after I had my ass handed to me by my old man who has trained for over 20 years and has stand up and ground game. Plus he was alot bigger so Ground game was a must. Now I feel like I can more then handle my self against a boxer, wrestler, or anyone who has only trained 1 area...
Hey, I understand your thought process completely. I'm from the Bronx, and I know how much respect guys who can box and handle themselves with their hands get in the neighborhood. But I was a kid fascinated with martial arts from an early age and was blessed to train under some very skilled teachers. I love boxing as a spectator sport and think it is an effective self-defense method, however once you learn other things to expand your knowledge base you want to learn more and more and have "tricks" in your arsenal that the average thug on the street isn't prepared for.
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Hey, I understand your thought process completely. I'm from the Bronx, and I know how much respect guys who can box and handle themselves with their hands get in the neighborhood. But I was a kid fascinated with martial arts from an early age and was blessed to train under some very skilled teachers. I love boxing as a spectator sport and think it is an effective self-defense method, however once you learn other things to expand your knowledge base you want to learn more and more and have "tricks" in your arsenal that the average thug on the street isn't prepared for.
Hell yeah I hear you, I have trained under some pretty good guys and understand what your saying. I used to be one of those street thugs. But hell I didn't do it for the street. I plan on getting in the cage a few times before my wife and I have our first child. Martial Arts has taught me respect and discipline and probably kept me from being in the penitentiary. I didn't have time to be out doing stupid shit with my friends when I really started to love what I was being taught. Shit and since I started training I don't get involved in street altercations. Not worth going to jail or having to pay a hospital bill... Everyone now adays is a tough guy who loves to press charges once they get their teeth knocked out... Even the instigators... Please officer can I press charges...
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Everyone now adays is a tough guy who loves to press charges once they get their teeth knocked out... Even the instigators... Please officer can I press charges...
Haha...no doubt, bro. Dudes can't accept an ass whuppin' like a man nowadays. ;D
When I think about how much martial arts, lifting, and things like baseball kept me focused and off the streets I thank God. So many guys I know got locked up, are dead, or have all kinds of addiction problems. I did some wild shit in my younger days, but I always drew the line at a certain point. I guess I was blessed with the ability to see the long-term consequences of certain actions when other guys never looked past tomorrow.
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For every guy like you there are ten guys who will choose boxing as a "fighting sport" coming out of the inner city. Maybe that will change as the money gets bigger. But right now mma definitely draws more lower to middle-class American kids who grew up in suburban or rural areas and went to college, typically as wrestlers.
Most inner-city minority kids see fighting as something done with the hands, and aren't too keen on wrestling.
College level wrestlers are just as hard and ruthless as some inner city kids. Wrestling in and of itself is a very physical, brutal to the body and great for discipline, mental attitude, and general toughness.
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College level wrestlers are just as hard and ruthless as some inner city kids. Wrestling in and of itself is a very physical, brutal to the body and great for discipline, mental attitude, and general toughness.
I agree with that, AB. But that toughness is generally acquired from the intensity of the training. A lot of inner-city kids are tough just from what they had to deal with everyday walking to school. Nothing really compares to the confidence you get from surviving in a really bad neighborhood. Of course that won't automatically make you a great athlete. Many of these wrestlers are pretty gifted athletes.
In my opinion wrestling is the hardest sport to train in. Football practice is tough...wrestling is brutal. I didn't wrestle in college, but I had a friend who did and I used to watch them sweat it out in practice. Plus, all the crazy things they did to make weight. I thought they were psychos. LOL
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Who gives a flying fuck if a top MMA fighter could not win a boxing match....Boxing is fooking BOOOOORING!!!!!
The true definition of "owning" someone, is to beat the shit out of them in a real fight. The reason why MMA is growing so quickly, is because it's as close as it gets to a real fight. A top ranked pro boxer would have his ass handed to him in a real fight against any experienced MMA fighter.
UFC PPV fights are already getting higher ratings than boxing. The money is starting to flow in. Soon enough, you'll start seeing the payouts increase accordingly.
Boxing is in the toilet and someone is about to flush.
Earl, stick to sniffing Leverone panties.
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A top ranked pro boxer would have his ass handed to him in a real fight against any experienced MMA fighter.
Again, in many instances but not necessarily.[sigh]
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Who gives a flying fuck if a top MMA fighter could not win a boxing match....Boxing is fooking BOOOOORING!!!!!
The true definition of "owning" someone, is to beat the shit out of them in a real fight. The reason why MMA is growing so quickly, is because it's as close as it gets to a real fight. A top ranked pro boxer would have his ass handed to him in a real fight against any experienced MMA fighter.
UFC PPV fights are already getting higher ratings than boxing. The money is starting to flow in. Soon enough, you'll start seeing the payouts increase accordingly.
Boxing is in the toilet and someone is about to flush.
Earl, stick to sniffing Leverone panties.
yeah but one of the most exciting things MMA its exactly the standup shows...guys like Cro Cop and Fedor who have great punching skills...It may not be boxing itself, but boxing techniques being used more cause a more exciting fight for who is watching (just remember Belfort when he hit the scene, and he was a jiujitsu fighter, but known for his boxing)
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yeah but one of the most exciting things MMA its exactly the standup shows...guys like Cro Cop and Fedor who have great punching skills...It may not be boxing itself, but boxing techniques being used more cause a more exciting fight for who is watching (just remember Belfort when he hit the scene, and he was a jiujitsu fighter, but known for his boxing)
Watching two guys dry-hump each other for 15 minutes is as boring as watching two guys spar. But, to me, a good grappling fight is as exciting as a good striking fight.
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Watching two guys dry-hump each other for 15 minutes is as boring as watching two guys spar. But, to me, a good grappling fight is as exciting as a good striking fight.
I almost freaked when I started watching this but you are correct sir. If they are grappling and moving and attempting techniuqes or setting them up then it is great. The last Matt Hughes fight was a decent grappling match. Tim " I lost my Belt" vs. Munson was not..
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Watching two guys dry-hump each other for 15 minutes is as boring as watching two guys spar. But, to me, a good grappling fight is as exciting as a good striking fight.
A grappling match where the grapplers are not being aggressive is boring. The Tim/Monson fight was boring because Tim didn't get aggresive from bottom, and Monson wasn't aggressive in passing. Tim jumped to his shoulders and attempted a triangle. Had he been a little more aggressive, he could have sunk it in. (Triangles, like all subs are simply a matter of adjusting, and committing)
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A grappling match where the grapplers are not being aggressive is boring. The Tim/Monson fight was boring because Tim didn't get aggresive from bottom, and Monson wasn't aggressive in passing. Tim jumped to his shoulders and attempted a triangle. Had he been a little more aggressive, he could have sunk it in. (Triangles, like all subs are simply a matter of adjusting, and committing)
agreed but I hate seeing guys commit when they dont have it.. The first rule is if you dont have it, dont commit..... so many guys waste energy trying to sink an armbar when they dont have it 100%
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I'm a big proponent of position over submission, HOWEVER, Tim has inordinately long legs, wore knee pads for friction, was on Monson's shoulders, had his arm passed, simply needed to readjust, move more to his right. He was punching Monson in the face with his free hand.
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I'm a big proponent of position over submission, HOWEVER, Tim has inordinately long legs, wore knee pads for friction, was on Monson's shoulders, had his arm passed, simply needed to readjust, move more to his right. He was punching Monson in the face with his free hand.
What does Tim know about submission.. Serious quetion. I didnt think that he worked much on the ground.
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What does Tim know about submission.. Serious quetion. I didnt think that he worked much on the ground.
He works with Jeremy Horn, he is a sub whiz. Like Randy Couture opined, Tim has a tendency to "not lose" versus trying to win. The triangle attempt is a clear example. (Monson is an ADCC champ and he NEARLY triangled him)
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In my opinion wrestling is the hardest sport to train in. Football practice is tough...wrestling is brutal. I didn't wrestle in college.
If you never played football, never wrestled, and never did MMA, what the hell do you know about what training is harder ??? All training is as hard as you make it. Every one should know this form Body Building some ppl just play around. And some go all out! If you go all out it's getting harder and harder every time un till it's at a level normal ppl have no comprehension of. But very few have the guts to take things to the absolute limit, the ones that do are your Arnie's Feodor's Cro Cops etc.. they all have one thing in common they train harder than anyone else around! I hope this helps ;)
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If you never played football, never wrestled, and never did MMA, what the hell do you know about what training is harder ??? All training is as hard as you make it. Every one should know this form Body Building some ppl just play around. And some go all out! If you go all out it's getting harder and harder every time un till it's at a level normal ppl have no comprehension of. But very few have the guts to take things to the absolute limit, the ones that do are your Arnie's Feodor's Cro Cops etc.. they all have one thing in common they train harder than anyone else around! I hope this helps ;)
Uhh...how do you know I "never played football", dumbass? ???
It is MY opinion that wrestling training is the most intense. Perhaps by your definition baseball and wrestling are the same...depending on how "hard you make it." ::)
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If you never played football, never wrestled, and never did MMA, what the hell do you know about what training is harder ??? All training is as hard as you make it. Every one should know this form Body Building some ppl just play around. And some go all out! If you go all out it's getting harder and harder every time un till it's at a level normal ppl have no comprehension of. But very few have the guts to take things to the absolute limit, the ones that do are your Arnie's Feodor's Cro Cops etc.. they all have one thing in common they train harder than anyone else around! I hope this helps ;)
Nathan, you are absolutely right!!! When the best in the world train, regardless if it's water polo or boxing/mma, they go all out.
I played football, boxed (Training only on a non competition level), pro wrestled, bodybuilding). They were all tough in many ways....100 sets workouts, non stop with steve michalik was as tough as any, but on a continuous level, day in day out, pro wrestling with bill demott as the trainer was the most challenging...I guess because I didn't know it well and had to learn the skill as I was completly blown up.
MMA is obviously tough, but some guys go through the motions while others work their asses off.
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Who gives a flying fuck if a top MMA fighter could not win a boxing match....Boxing is fooking BOOOOORING!!!!!
The true definition of "owning" someone, is to beat the shit out of them in a real fight. The reason why MMA is growing so quickly, is because it's as close as it gets to a real fight. A top ranked pro boxer would have his ass handed to him in a real fight against any experienced MMA fighter.
UFC PPV fights are already getting higher ratings than boxing. The money is starting to flow in. Soon enough, you'll start seeing the payouts increase accordingly.
Boxing is in the toilet and someone is about to flush.
Earl, stick to sniffing Leverone panties.
you stick to using the same tired, unoriginal insults and I'll just continue to speak the truth 8)
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Nathan, you are absolutely right!!! When the best in the world train, regardless if it's water polo or boxing/mma, they go all out.
I played football, boxed (Training only on a non competition level), pro wrestled, bodybuilding). They were all tough in many ways....100 sets workouts, non stop with steve michalik was as tough as any, but on a continuous level, day in day out, pro wrestling with bill demott as the trainer was the most challenging...I guess because I didn't know it well and had to learn the skill as I was completly blown up.
MMA is obviously tough, but some guys go through the motions while others work their asses off.
What orginization did you wrestle in???
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What orginization did you wrestle in???
The training I described was in wwe at deep south wrestling.....Demott is a incredible teacher and you will be in shape while training with him.
I recently did a dark match with Chavo Guerrero and wwe and will be with them on some live events in june. I love it and train very hard and consistant to be the best I can be.
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The training I described was in wwe at deep south wrestling.....Demott is a incredible teacher and you will be in shape while training with him.
I recently did a dark match with Chavo Guerrero and wwe and will be with them on some live events in june. I love it and train very hard and consistant to be the best I can be.
That's cool well good luck with taht venture in your life. We will be looking for you. Its a huge commitment and very demanding on the body best of luck...
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Nathan, you are absolutely right!!! When the best in the world train, regardless if it's water polo or boxing/mma, they go all out.
I played football, boxed (Training only on a non competition level), pro wrestled, bodybuilding). They were all tough in many ways....100 sets workouts, non stop with steve michalik was as tough as any, but on a continuous level, day in day out, pro wrestling with bill demott as the trainer was the most challenging...I guess because I didn't know it well and had to learn the skill as I was completly blown up.
MMA is obviously tough, but some guys go through the motions while others work their asses off.
Those that goes through the motions get KOed, subbed, beaten on especially as you rise through the local, regional tournaments, fights, matches.
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you stick to using the same tired, unoriginal insults and I'll just continue to speak the truth 8)
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Is there any truth to the rumour that when you heard Kevin thank you on his radio interview, you scrambled to get your special edition Kevin "long dong" leverone dildo and rushed to jam it up your ass before you errupted in a cataclysmic gaygasm?
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Is there any truth to the rumour that when you heard Kevin thank you on his radio interview, you scrambled to get your special edition Kevin "long dong" leverone dildo and rushed to jam it up your ass before you errupted in a cataclysmic gaygasm?
oh brother hit me with something I haven't heard before ::)
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oh brother hit me with something I haven't heard before ::)
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oh brother hit me with something I haven't heard before ::)
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Oh like you're so original with your stupid "Leverowned" in every other post ::)
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No Chuck was having knee problems which he has since had surgery on since the Ortiz fight. . Great vid of Lennox getting thrown to the ground by Jeremy Williams. Chuck hates going to the ground with superior Jits guys. He took Overeem down when he was in trouble. And he did wrestle D1 at Cal Poly.
That was funny as hell...Lennox got pissed
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Oh like you're so original with your stupid "Leverowned" in every other post ::)
I coined that word so yeah it is original
you are now fulblOWNED 8)
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The truth bears repeating? :-\
you think tito is a great fighter nothing you say should be taken seriously :P
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I coined that word so yeah it is original
you are now fulblOWNED 8)
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You know what Earl...I'm goign to cut you some slack because you hold your own around here without having to rely on a whack-pack to support you on every thread.
peace...
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You know what Earl...I'm goign to cut you some slack because you hold your own around here without having to rely on a whack-pack to support you on every thread.
peace...
yes I am a one man owning crew :D :D :D :D
only the weak need the help of others 8)
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you think tito is a great fighter nothing you say should be taken seriously :P
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Did you forget to clear Levrone's semen from your eyes?
Perhaps you mean Felix Trinidad. If you mean Tito Ortiz, I don't like him and he is not a great mma fighter in my opinion.
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Did you forget to clear Levrone's semen from your eyes?
Perhaps you mean Felix Trinidad. If you mean Tito Ortiz, I don't like him and he is not a great mma fighter in my opinion.
haha another unoriginal insult ::)
how does it feel to not have the brain capacity to come up with something of your own Leroy ;D
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haha another unoriginal insult ::)
how does it feel to not have the brain capacity to come up with something of your own Leroy ;D
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Wow...I thought it was an original. I guess when you are a self professed Levrone scrotum-licker there are no more original insults left, so we'll just have to recycle 'em. :D
If it's the regular beef injections you recieve that make you so smart I'll just have to settle for less. ;)
Who's Leroy?
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Wow...I thought it was an original. I guess when you are a self professed Levrone scrotum-licker there are no more original insults left, so we'll just have to recycle 'em. :D
If it's the regular beef injections you recieve that make you so smart I'll just have to settle for less. ;)
Who's Leroy?
;D ;D ;D
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boxing is losing its appeal. mayweather is just try to stir things up..thats all. bottomeline is that people aren't buying boxing events anymore. mma is taking over
with boxers still making millions per fight, mma taking over i think not!
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Of course it was boxing rules. I think liddel would agree with him. However, in mma things would be different, but that is why I do NOT get the boxing vs mma debate...they are completely seperate sports....
The debates should just stop and both sports go on.
I know mma guys that are known in mma for their hands and they would not get by the semis in the open NYS golden gloves tournament...and that's fine because I'm sure most boxers wouldn't get by the state semis in high school wrestling. completely diferent all together.
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I also agree: in general, boxers will win via Marquis of Queensbury rules, while MMA guys will win by MMA rules. As for 'well, the real money's in boxing,' historically this may be true and will probably continue to be true for another decade or two, but A) not if Americans don't get to winning titles again; and B) not if the popularity of MMA continues like it has.
Reckon this for a second to appreciate how MMA has skyrocketed: Sportscenter recently reported GSP's loss on ESPN. I've never heard Sportcenter report on bodybuilding, or kickboxing, for that matter (both of which I like better than MMA from a fan standpoint). If that's not MMA showing signs of being taken pretty seriously in the sportsworld, I don't know what is.
Dana has put 2 million on the table for PBF to fight Sean Sherk. I don't think PBF will jump, but if he did, it would serve to legitimize MMA more in the eyes of the 18-34 demographics after Sherk took PBF downed and pounded him.
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Why in the world would a guy that gets millions to box...something he's trained and lived his whole life, compete with a NOBODY (relative name wise to him) in MMA?
This is ridiculous. White could offer a billion and Floyd shouldn't do it.
However, stand up and box with 4 ox gloves on and the Sherk kid will be in a funeral procession the next day...and he'll be the lead!
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Why in the world would a guy that gets millions to box...something he's trained and lived his whole life, compete with a NOBODY (relative name wise to him) in MMA?
This is ridiculous. White could offer a billion and Floyd shouldn't do it.
However, stand up and box with 4 ox gloves on and the Sherk kid will be in a funeral procession the next day...and he'll be the lead!
If PBF wouldn't fight in mma even for a BILLION dollars, then he should shut the fuck up on issuing challenges to mma fighters like Chuck.
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If PBF wouldn't fight in mma even for a BILLION dollars, then he should shut the fuck up on issuing challenges to mma fighters like Chuck.
His challenge was to use fist only. Since BOTH he and Chuck do that I don't see the problem. However, since Floyd NEVER wrestled, or used and mma skill I DO understand why he wouldn't choose to do that.
What's unfair about issuing a challenge to a guy that ALSO uses his fist to make money?
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His challenge was to use fist only. Since BOTH he and Chuck do that I don't see the problem. However, since Floyd NEVER wrestled, or used and mma skill I DO understand why he wouldn't choose to do that.
What's unfair about issuing a challenge to a guy that ALSO uses his fist to make money?
Chuck has the OPTION to use other "weapons" in mma, depending on his opponent's strengths and weaknesses. Hence the utter stupidity of Floyd's challenge. ::)
Once again Floyd should shut the fuck up on trash talking mma fighters...unless he's willing to get in the cage himself. He needs to stick to preparing for Oscar if he wants to retire with a perfect record.
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I agree with that, benny.
He should focus on building his own fight and not bringing down others.
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Mayweather Talks Smack on Liddell, White Responds
UFC president Dana White had some harsh words for boxer Floyd Mayweather, Jr. during a media conference call on Monday, in response to things Mayweather said in his own conference call last week.
"You know, Floyd Mayweather just came out and said some stupid s— about Chuck Liddell," White said.
Last week, Mayweather — on a conference call to help promote his May 5 fight with Oscar De La Hoya — disrespected the UFC and the sport of MMA in general, specifically UFC light heavyweight champion Liddell. Mayweather questioned whether the dominant Liddell could hang with a good boxer.
"We should put Liddell against a good heavyweight, under Mayweather Promotions," Mayweather said last week. "If Chuck wins, then I’ll give him a million dollars out of my own pocket."
Dana White — himself a former amateur boxer before heading up the most successful MMA promotion in U.S. history — scoffed at Mayweather’s challenge and called Mayweather’s box-office value into question.
"(He said) he’d pay a million dollars if Chuck could hang with a heavyweight boxer," White said Monday. "How about if he pays a million dollars to see if a heavyweight boxer can fight MMA with Chuck Liddell? Or, even better, I’ll put up a million dollars of my own money if Floyd Mayweather can sell more than 10 tickets without Oscar De La Hoya."
UFC took the world of pay-per-view by storm in 2006, topping boxing PPV events in buy rates almost without exception. Although UFC does not release PPV performance numbers, reports indicate that De La Hoya’s May 6, 2006, fight against Ricardo Mayorga was the only boxing PPV of the year that did numbers competitive with UFC shows. UFC’s last PPV of 2006 — featuring Liddell vs. Tito Ortiz on Dec. 30 — is believed to have surpassed the De La Hoya buy rate.
In promoting his own upcoming fight with De La Hoya, Mayweather scoffed at UFC and its fighters.
"UFC ain’t s—," Mayweather said. "It ain’t but a fad. Anyone can put a tattoo on their head and get in a street fight."
"These are guys who couldn’t make it in boxing," he added. "So they do (MMA). Boxing is the best sport in the world and it’s here to stay."
UFC’s Monday press conference was to promote Saturday’s UFC 69 PPV event, which marks the first UFC show ever held in Texas. The show will take place in Houston.
When asked about UFC fighter Diego Sanchez’s publicized training sessions with De La Hoya, Dana White dismissed the idea that Sanchez might have learned "proper" boxing techniques from De La Hoya that might give him an edge in striking against arch-nemesis Josh Koscheck.
"Boxing and mixed martial arts are totally different," White said. "You distribute your weight differently because you have to worry about takedowns and leg kicks. It’s completely different. Boxing and mixed martial arts are apples and oranges."
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i'd pay a million dollars out of my own pocket if he could sell 10 tickets without Oscar de la hoya..thats great.
i watched the special on hbo promoting mayweather de la hoya fight and i got to say that mayweather is the stupiest,, most cocky guy i ever seen in my life. i can't stand him. i hope SOMEBODY knocks that dude out.
i'd pay 100buck ppv to see him get in the cage with chuck and fight mma
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i'd pay a million dollars out of my own pocket if he could sell 10 tickets without Oscar de la hoya..thats great.
i watched the special on hbo promoting mayweather de la hoya fight and i got to say that mayweather is the stupiest,, most cocky guy i ever seen in my life. i can't stand him. i hope SOMEBODY knocks that dude out.
i'd pay 100buck ppv to see him get in the cage with chuck and fight mma
Would yopu pay a hundred to see chuck lace up the ten ounces and step in a boxing ring with lennox lewis?
Mind you, if you ever saw lennow lewis throw a punch full speed with otu gloves or with 4 oz pads you would be shocked because never has anyone seen such raw power, technique and speed as a top boxers punch.
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Would yopu pay a hundred to see chuck lace up the ten ounces and step in a boxing ring with lennox lewis?
Mind you, if you ever saw lennow lewis throw a punch full speed with otu gloves or with 4 oz pads you would be shocked because never has anyone seen such raw power, technique and speed as a top boxers punch.
You couldn't pay me $100 to watch that. Boxing sucks and it's boring.