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Did you catch that on Bill Maher last night? 150 graduates of Pat Robertson's Regent University are in the Bush Administration? ::) "Regent Law was ranked in Tier 4 by U.S. News, the lowest ranking and essentially a tie for 136th place out of 170 schools surveyed."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/max-blumenthal/monica-goodling-one-of-1_b_44588.html
Regent recently hired former attorney general John Ashcroft for the class on "Human Rights, Civil Liberties, and National Security." http://www.regent.edu/news/_press_releases/march_2005/ashcroft.cfm ahahhahhahahhahahhahhaha
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the school teaches them to use secular arguments to support their religious beliefs.
In other words, every possible loophole to merge church and state.
The Taleban did that too.
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at this point the only people retarded enough to vote for the republican party are people retarded enough to believe in god ... you gotta pander
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I heard about that fact on MSNBC earlier this week. Shocking!
Hard to believe this is legal. Someone, somewhere needs to be investigating this. Maybe the ABA needs to revisit the accreditation of that school.
I wouldn't hire a Regent law school grad to fight a traffic ticket.
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Yes, the Boston Globe did a piece on this subject last week.
Calling Regent a Law School is insulting to real law schools. For a time in the last 20 years or so they weren't even accredited.
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This is emblematic of the entire administration. Loyalty is the only requirement. What's odd to me is that they could still hire the really qualified people who are also loyal. It almost seems like actually being qualified for the position works against you. Maybe it has something due with the chief executive who failed upward his entire life. Maybe he thinks actually having the skills for the job doesn't really matter
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This is emblematic of the entire administration. Loyalty is the only requirement. What's odd to me is that they could still hire the really qualified people who are also loyal. It almost seems like actually being qualified for the position works against you. Maybe it has something due with the chief executive who failed upward his entire life. Maybe he thinks actually having the skills for the job doesn't really matter
In his administration, it doesn't.
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In his administration, it doesn't.
it doesn't matter for getting the job (kind of like Bush) but it does matter when you actually have to execute the duties of the position. I think that's why Bush is CONSTANTLY saying how everything is HARD WORK.
This coming from a guy who's never done a day of hard work in his life. Personally, I think he's tired of being President and he's basically checked out. Too bad we (the human race of planet earth) are stuck with him for the next ~ 20 months.
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it doesn't matter for getting the job (kind of like Bush) but it does matter when you actually have to execute the duties of the position. I think that's why Bush is CONSTANTLY saying how everything is HARD WORK.
This coming from a guy who's never done a day of hard work in his life. Personally, I think he's tired of being President and he's basically checked out. Too bad we (the human race of planet earth) are stuck with him for the next ~ 20 months.
I get the feeling that right about now the lizards are also pretty fed up with him as well! :P
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I get the feeling that right about now the lizards are also pretty fed up with him as well! :P
you're right, I shouldn't discount the effect on the non-human species on the planet too
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Big deal. Talk about struggling to find news. This reporter should quit his day job.
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Big deal. Talk about struggling to find news. This reporter should quit his day job.
If 150 members of the 2008 Obama Administration happened to have earned their law degrees from a school which taught its students to use the law to further a radical islamic agenda, would you have any concerns?
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This is emblematic of the entire administration. Loyalty is the only requirement. What's odd to me is that they could still hire the really qualified people who are also loyal. It almost seems like actually being qualified for the position works against you. Maybe it has something due with the chief executive who failed upward his entire life. Maybe he thinks actually having the skills for the job doesn't really matter
Less qualified people are less intelligent and more likely to go along with the current administration. >:(
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If 150 members of the 2008 Obama Administration happened to have earned their law degrees from a school which taught its students to use the law to further a radical islamic agenda, would you have any concerns?
Rob, although I agree the issue with Robertson is very troubling the fact that so many graduates of such a TERRIBLE law school were hired by this administration is more troubling.
One would think that quality of one's educational background would play a role in hiring applicants with law degrees.
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Rob, although I agree the issue with Robertson is very troubling the fact that so many graduates of such a TERRIBLE law school were hired by this administration is more troubling.
One would think that quality of one's educational background would play a role in hiring applicants with law degrees.
Maybe it did, ...it allows one to pass the buck saying "We consulted [insert nimrod's name here], who advised us that [insert illegal and/or unconstitutional act here] was perfectly legal and acceptable"
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Maybe it did, ...it allows one to pass the buck saying "We consulted [insert nimrod's name here], who advised us that [insert illegal and/or unconstitutional act here] was perfectly legal and acceptable"
how many lawyers are employed by the government and what percentage does this 150 make up?
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An interesting question would be how many of the fired lawyers were replaced with Regent grads?
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how many lawyers are employed by the government and what percentage does this 150 make up?
Good question. Talk about a meaningless issue. ::)
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some might find it relevent that there seem to be a lot of people from a very marginal school at very high positions within the justice department. It would be interesting to see the qualifications of the other applicants for these 150 positions.
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how many lawyers are employed by the government and what percentage does this 150 make up?
That's a good question but the issue is lawyers hired by the Bush administration. I think a better question would be out of all the lawyers hired by the current administration what percentage are Regent Graduates.
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That's a good question but the issue is lawyers hired by the Bush administration. I think a better question would be out of all the lawyers hired by the current administration what percentage are Regent Graduates.
Right, and I bet there has been a really high turnover rate in the last 6+ years, so yeah what percentage. I mena this story doesn't say much without a comparison. If there are 50,000 lawyers and 150 from that school, is that as shocking?
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Right, and I bet there has been a really high turnover rate in the last 6+ years, so yeah what percentage. I mena this story doesn't say much without a comparison. If there are 50,000 lawyers and 150 from that school, is that as shocking?
No, it wouldn't be shocking at all. Here's a short passage from the Globe story along with the link.
Not long ago, it was rare for Regent graduates to join the federal government. But in 2001, the Bush administration picked the dean of Regent's government school, Kay Coles James , to be the director of the Office of Personnel Management -- essentially the head of human resources for the executive branch. The doors of opportunity for government jobs were thrown open to Regent alumni.
"We've had great placement," said Jay Sekulow , who heads a non profit law firm based at Regent that files lawsuits aimed at lowering barriers between church and state. "We've had a lot of people in key positions."
Many of those who have Regent law degrees, including Goodling, joined the Department of Justice. Their path to employment was further eased in late 2002, when John Ashcroft , then attorney general, changed longstanding rules for hiring lawyers to fill vacancies in the career ranks.
Previously, veteran civil servants screened applicants and recommended whom to hire, usually picking top students from elite schools.
In a recent Regent law school newsletter, a 2004 graduate described being interviewed for a job as a trial attorney at the Justice Department's Civil Rights Division in October 2003. Asked to name the Supreme Court decision from the past 20 years with which he most disagreed, he cited Lawrence v. Texas, the ruling striking down a law against sodomy because it violated gay people's civil rights.
"When one of the interviewers agreed and said that decision in Lawrence was 'maddening,' I knew I correctly answered the question," wrote the Regent graduate . The administration hired him for the Civil Rights Division's housing section -- the only employment offer he received after graduation, he said.
The graduate from Regent -- which is ranked a "tier four" school by US News & World Report, the lowest score and essentially a tie for 136th place -- was not the only lawyer with modest credentials to be hired by the Civil Rights Division after the administration imposed greater political control over career hiring.
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2007/04/08/scandal_puts_spotlight_on_christian_law_school/?page=2 (http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2007/04/08/scandal_puts_spotlight_on_christian_law_school/?page=2)
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Right, and I bet there has been a really high turnover rate in the last 6+ years, so yeah what percentage. I mena this story doesn't say much without a comparison. If there are 50,000 lawyers and 150 from that school, is that as shocking?
What if those 150 were disproportionally in very high positions in the Justice department and were chosen over people with objectively much better qualifications and experience. T
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What if those 150 were disproportionally in very high positions in the Justice department and were chosen over people with objectively much better qualifications and experience. T
I would object to it, so really there is a lot of info missing to make a decision if this is really a big story. And cardio, every job you go to interview for people have things they are looking for. If a dem wins in "08 they will hire people that support gay marriage and abortion right? I just don't see the big deal in the story without alot more info
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Big deal. Talk about struggling to find news. This reporter should quit his day job.
Hold up Bubba... Wait one second.... Goodling is only 33, was the 3rd highest ranking person at the Justice Department, had never worked as a prosecutor and was in charge of overseeing the job performace of all 93 US Attorneys and you think Bill Maher shouldn't give up his day job for bringing light to her and other graduates of Pat Robertson's University being given fastrack in the Bush Administration... GOOD FUCKING GOD, GIVE ME A BREAK, TELL ME YOU'RE NOT ACUTALLY SERIOUS WITH YOURSELF???
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No, it wouldn't be shocking at all. Here's a short passage from the Globe story along with the link.
Not long ago, it was rare for Regent graduates to join the federal government. But in 2001, the Bush administration picked the dean of Regent's government school, Kay Coles James , to be the director of the Office of Personnel Management -- essentially the head of human resources for the executive branch. The doors of opportunity for government jobs were thrown open to Regent alumni.
"We've had great placement," said Jay Sekulow , who heads a non profit law firm based at Regent that files lawsuits aimed at lowering barriers between church and state. "We've had a lot of people in key positions."
Many of those who have Regent law degrees, including Goodling, joined the Department of Justice. Their path to employment was further eased in late 2002, when John Ashcroft , then attorney general, changed longstanding rules for hiring lawyers to fill vacancies in the career ranks.
Previously, veteran civil servants screened applicants and recommended whom to hire, usually picking top students from elite schools.
In a recent Regent law school newsletter, a 2004 graduate described being interviewed for a job as a trial attorney at the Justice Department's Civil Rights Division in October 2003. Asked to name the Supreme Court decision from the past 20 years with which he most disagreed, he cited Lawrence v. Texas, the ruling striking down a law against sodomy because it violated gay people's civil rights.
"When one of the interviewers agreed and said that decision in Lawrence was 'maddening,' I knew I correctly answered the question," wrote the Regent graduate . The administration hired him for the Civil Rights Division's housing section -- the only employment offer he received after graduation, he said.
The graduate from Regent -- which is ranked a "tier four" school by US News & World Report, the lowest score and essentially a tie for 136th place -- was not the only lawyer with modest credentials to be hired by the Civil Rights Division after the administration imposed greater political control over career hiring.
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2007/04/08/scandal_puts_spotlight_on_christian_law_school/?page=2 (http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2007/04/08/scandal_puts_spotlight_on_christian_law_school/?page=2)
AHHAHAHhhahahahahhahhaha .... figures....
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Hold up Bubba... Wait one second.... Goodling is only 33, was the 3rd highest ranking person at the Justice Department, had never worked as a prosecutor and was in charge of overseeing the job performace of all 93 US Attorneys and you think Bill Maher shouldn't give up his day job for bringing light to her and other graduates of Pat Robertson's University being given fastrack in the Bush Administration... GOOD FUCKING GOD, GIVE ME A BREAK, TELL ME YOU'RE NOT ACUTALLY SERIOUS WITH YOURSELF???
shut up loser....I am happy to see you post a stat for the first time ever. And I am glad you turn to a comedian as your news source. Who is your other? John stewart?
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shut up loser....I am happy to see you post a stat for the first time ever. And I am glad you turn to a comedian as your news source. Who is your other? John stewart?
I'm talking to Beach so shut the fuck up boy. First time i've posted a stat ::) Oh Brother... Like you would know you freaking noob ::)
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I'm talking to Beach so shut the fuck up boy. First time i've posted a stat ::) Oh Brother... Like you would know you freaking noob ::)
you shut up bitch....didn't your leader Enigma tell you to ignore me anyway...don't be a bad girl beserker
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Hold up Bubba... Wait one second.... Goodling is only 33, was the 3rd highest ranking person at the Justice Department, had never worked as a prosecutor and was in charge of overseeing the job performace of all 93 US Attorneys and you think Bill Maher shouldn't give up his day job for bringing light to her and other graduates of Pat Robertson's University being given fastrack in the Bush Administration... GOOD FUCKING GOD, GIVE ME A BREAK, TELL ME YOU'RE NOT ACUTALLY SERIOUS WITH YOURSELF???
Beach Bum isn't an intelligent man. He doesn't read much that isn't about homosexuality or racial tensions.
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You're reaching a fine line in some of these threads MM69... a little jabbing is fine, but at times it looks like your only purpose is to sabatoge thread by starting fights. That crap won't work for very long, I promise you that ;) If you're hell bent on destroying debate in this forum, I will end that quickly.
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You're reaching a fine line in some of these threads MM69... a little jabbing is fine, but at times it looks like your only purpose is to sabatoge thread by starting fights. That crap won't work for very long, I promise you that ;) If you're hell bent on destroying debate in this forum, I will end that quickly.
oh no! big bad beserker is mad....hmmm, guess I am supposed to take it but can't dish it out? How many threads (other than with you and Jag) am I giving the appearance of starting fights? I admit I do it with you 2 losers. Everyone else I am just fooling with
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oh no! big bad beserker is mad....hmmm, guess I am supposed to take it but can't dish it out? How many threads (other than with you and Jag) am I giving the appearance of starting fights? I admit I do it with you 2 losers. Everyone else I am just fooling with
I didn't say that idiot ::) Read and comprehend exactly what I said. The last several encounters I've had with you seemed that your only purpose was to derail the thread. This a couple days after I had to whack your very own nappy headed hoe meltdown. You can get away with a lot in this forum and that's fine, I like it that way, I'm just saying, if it crosses over into your only purpose being to sabotage people's threads over contributing to the debate with some valid point, there's going to be a problem. I just said you're getting close. I'm not mad, I don't want anyone doing that kind of Bullshit to a large degree. You're not singled out here, you're just starting to stick out... Call me what you want, jab some, I'll jab back, but overall, have a goddamed point if you're doing it all the time.
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I didn't say that idiot ::) Read and comprehend exactly what I said. The last several encounters I've had with you seemed that your only purpose was to derail the thread. This a couple days after I had to whack your very own nappy headed hoe meltdown. You can get away with a lot in this forum and that's fine, I like it that way, I'm just saying, if it crosses over into your only purpose being to sabotage people's threads over contributing to the debate with some valid point, there's going to be a problem. I just said you're getting close. I'm not mad, I don't want anyone doing that kind of Bullshit to a large degree. You're not singled out here, you're just starting to stick out... Call me what you want, jab some, I'll jab back, but overall, have a goddamed point if you're doing it all the time.
No problem. If you pay attention I debate all day, I really only am a punk when it is you and Jag
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No problem. If you pay attention I debate all day, I really only am a punk when it is you and Jag
uh huh, and if you're going to pick out a certain person in an attempt to sabatoge all their threads that's going to be the same problem... If someone is going to do that to you, I will also have a problem with that. Again, I'm not saying you can't be a punk with me, I can take it. I just started to notice the line getting close with it looking like your intent was to only sabatoge threads. That's a nono in my book. If you're only doing it to jag and my threads, you'll understand why I noticed.
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uh huh, and if you're going to pick out a certain person in an attempt to sabatoge all their threads that's going to be the same problem... If someone is going to do that to you, I will also have a problem with that. Again, I'm not saying you can't be a punk with me, I can take it. I just started to notice the line getting close with it looking like your intent was to only sabatoge threads. That's a nono in my book. If you're only doing it to jag and my threads, you'll understand why I noticed.
didn't see you say anything to this guy:
"I say we IGNORE mm69..........he's proved himself completely USELESS on any conversation relating to war.
I will MUTE mm69 from this day forward. The rest of us on this board should follow suit.
Why converse w/ a delusional, douchebag??"
or now that every post he comes back with mute??? guess this doesn't apply to him...yeah and I'm not being sibgled out
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I love that!! Keep feeding the ego bitches. Sad that you can't handle the other side of the story. Someone points out your hypocrisy and guess what...blamo
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i admit i was wrong on the guard issue, i'm just having fun with ya dude. i don't claim to know everything about the military, and I thank you for the job youre doing there.
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YES!!! How many times can I get you to do it...
240, I really don't think that this regent thing is a big deal
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LOL @ the pic 240!!!
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LOL @ the pic 240!!!
I tolerate his inaccuracies, but the racism is ugly and could ruin this place.
Enigma had a great idea about muting him.
Use of the mute to quote him is an effective way to deter him from the racist, mean stuff.
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I tolerate his inaccuracies, but the racism is ugly and could ruin this place.
Enigma had a great idea about muting him.
Use of the mute to quote him is an effective way to deter him from the racist, mean stuff.
I'm no racist fool, and just trying to keep up with your run at inaccuracies...maybe you could list mine? I bet you start with canada's oil of which I only spoke of one time....so quote some more..
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I tolerate his inaccuracies, but the racism is ugly and could ruin this place.
Enigma had a great idea about muting him.
Use of the mute to quote him is an effective way to deter him from the racist, mean stuff.
I agree, and at the risk of being all Hallmark cardish it is very nice to see you so dissaproving of his racism.
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didn't see you say anything to this guy:
"I say we IGNORE mm69..........he's proved himself completely USELESS on any conversation relating to war.
I will MUTE mm69 from this day forward. The rest of us on this board should follow suit.
Why converse w/ a delusional, douchebag??"
or now that every post he comes back with mute??? guess this doesn't apply to him...yeah and I'm not being sibgled out
Really!!!!!!!! Is he following your every thread contributing nothing but attacks that have no political point and thus sabatoging everything you post? Or is it you didn't understand a fucking thing I just said to you ::) who cares if he mutes you, big freaking deal. hmmmmm... lets see, nobody has report him... WHY IS THAT! Yet you keep sticking out with your gomer antics and you're crying about being singled out? No bubba, you're not being singled out, you're sticking out, that's your choice!
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I'm no racist fool, and just trying to keep up with your run at inaccuracies...maybe you could list mine? I bet you start with canada's oil of which I only spoke of one time....so quote some more..
LOL... yea, task him to find the racist posts of yours that I deleted ::) Real smooth bubba ::)
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LOL... yea, task him to find the racist posts of yours that I deleted ::) Real smooth bubba ::)
no one can find anywhere that I directed any racism towards anyone....
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no one can find anywhere that I directed any racism towards anyone....
yea, after the comments were deleted! ::)
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yea, after the comments were deleted! ::)
Oh I am sure everyone would remember, find one person that I directed a racist comment at, just one. because making a FACT based statement (I know you aren't familiar with those) about it being more likely that a black man was the shooter, is alot different than directing a racist term at someone. If I had directed the N word at someone I would apologize but it never happened.
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Oh I am sure everyone would remember, find one person that I directed a racist comment at, just one. because making a FACT based statement (I know you aren't familiar with those) about it being more likely that a black man was the shooter, is alot different than directing a racist term at someone. If I had directed the N word at someone I would apologize but it never happened.
If you're so sure of yourself, get Ron to look at the posts of yours I deleted the other day ;)
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what is so racist about blaming the shooting on a black guy anyway, I mean lets crunch the numbers. from 1974-2004, blacks committed 56% of all gun related homicides
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/homicide/race.htm
so the numbers were in my favor, I was wrong, it ended up being a mexican, but we all knew it wasn't a white guy right?
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If you're so sure of yourself, get Ron to look at the posts of yours I deleted the other day ;)
more than fine by me....not ONE time did i direct a statement at an individual..not once. Did I make general statements that were backed by FACTS..yes I did. Nothing wrong with that. But when guy makes a statement today about Jews benefiting from the war...something with no backing, how is that any better than anything I said?
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Hold up Bubba... Wait one second.... Goodling is only 33, was the 3rd highest ranking person at the Justice Department, had never worked as a prosecutor and was in charge of overseeing the job performace of all 93 US Attorneys and you think Bill Maher shouldn't give up his day job for bringing light to her and other graduates of Pat Robertson's University being given fastrack in the Bush Administration... GOOD FUCKING GOD, GIVE ME A BREAK, TELL ME YOU'RE NOT ACUTALLY SERIOUS WITH YOURSELF???
Why are you getting so worked up? If you knew anything about political appointees you'd know they aren't always the most "qualified" persons for the job. An executive (Prez, Gov, Mayor) appoints people he or she agrees with politically, likes, and are competent to do the job, probably in that order.
I could care less if a political appointee is "fast tracked." They almost always are. Big deal.
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again how is that directed at an individual on this site?
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Why are you getting so worked up? If you knew anything about political appointees you'd know they aren't always the most "qualified" persons for the job. An executive (Prez, Gov, Mayor) appoints people he or she agrees with politically, likes, and are competent to do the job, probably in that order.
I could care less if a political appointee is "fast tracked." They almost always are. Big deal.
That doesn't mean it's not a big deal under the right settings and this has all the right makings to look real bad. You just can't write this off as no big deal. No way...
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I'm trying to stay out of the firefights, but I don't think MM is trying to sabotage threads.
I also think 240's pictures don't have any place in the forum.
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That doesn't mean it's not a big deal under the right settings and this has all the right makings to look real bad. You just can't write this off as no big deal. No way...
So the big deal is that 150 graduates of a conservative law school work for the Bush Administration? (And BTW, I suspect it's a "Tier 4" school largely because it is fairly new.) The president can appoint whoever the heck he wants. I could care less if he wants 500 Regent (or any other law school) grads in his administration. As long as no laws are being broken and there is nothing unethical going on, it simply isn't newsworthy in my book.
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more than fine by me....not ONE time did i direct a statement at an individual..not once. Did I make general statements that were backed by FACTS..yes I did. Nothing wrong with that. But when guy makes a statement today about Jews benefiting from the war...something with no backing, how is that any better than anything I said?
So I did not delete racist statements by you directed at Jag the other day? Really? How much are we wagering? I mean I'm sorry, I seem to remember quite clearly deleting instances where you called her a nappy haired slut. In the resent context of those words, you're going to have to do some serious spin if you're saying there is no racial overtone to your little meltdown against Jag...
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So I did not delete racist statements by you directed at Jag the other day? Really? How much are we wagering? I mean I'm sorry, I seem to remember quite clearly deleting instances where you called her a nappy haired slut. In the resent context of those words, you're going to have to do some serious spin if you're saying there is no racial overtone to your little meltdown against Jag...
lol, what does she go to rutgers? hmmm, while you are at it find all the posts she and 240 made saying it is ridiculous Imus is getting fried for the same thing....no racism there. Racism is the implication that one race is better than another. so what, I am saying white hair is better than black? I mean in all honesty, if ai had said like nig--er or something ok, but a hair comment?
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So the big deal is that 150 graduates of a Pat Robertson's law school work for the Bush Administration? (And BTW, I suspect it's a "Tier 4" school largely because it is fairly new.) The president can appoint whoever the heck he wants. I could care less if he wants 500 Regent (or any other law school) grads in his administration. As long as no laws are being broken and there is nothing unethical going on, it simply isn't newsworthy in my book.
fixed I didn't say he couldn't, just because he can doesn't mean his decisions, when bad, especially really bad, don't have public consequences. Bam bam boom, that's what this is!!!!!!!!!!
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fixed I didn't say he couldn't, just because he can doesn't mean his decisions, when bad, especially really bad, don't have public consequences. Bam bam boom, that's what this is!!!!!!!!!!
It's a school founded by Pat Robertson, just like Liberty is a school founded by Jerry Falwell. So what. Neither one of them run those respective schools. Berserker you have to help me out here. What exactly is the problem?
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lol, what does she go to rutgers? hmmm, while you are at it find all the posts she and 240 made saying it is ridiculous Imus is getting fried for the same thing....no racism there. Racism is the implication that one race is better than another. so what, I am saying white hair is better than black? I mean in all honesty, if ai had said like nig--er or something ok, but a hair comment?
What's funny is that blacks do have nappy hair but making an observation like that makes you a racist (which i think is dumb)...right? It's laughable at best. Don't listen to Jag or anyone else on here
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What's funny is that blacks do have nappy hair but making an observation like that makes you a racist (which i think is dumb)...right? It's laughable at best. Don't listen to Jag or anyone else on here
O Rly? All of them?
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O Rly? All of them?
I know this is a touchy subject right now, but why do you think most black men nowadays shave their head or wear a cap to bed..no one is saying it is a bad thing...
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O Rly? All of them?
I never put that in there did I? Lol.
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I know this is a touchy subject right now, but why do you think most black men nowadays shave their head or wear a cap to bed..no one is saying it is a bad thing...
I have no basis to conclude that "most black men" shave their heads or wear a cap to bed.
I know lots of black (and half black) men. Some of them have "nappy" hair, some have curly hair, some have straight hair, one has dreads, and some are bald. I have no idea whether any of them wear caps to bed.
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I never put that in there did I? Lol.
So are we talking 25 percent, 50 percent, 90 pecent? Half blacks included?
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I have no basis to conclude that "most black men" shave their heads or wear a cap to bed.
I know lots of black (and half black) men. Some of them have "nappy" hair, some have curly hair, some have straight hair, one has dreads, and some are bald. I have no idea whether any of them wear caps to bed.
just ask them, especially the dreads...they usually wear like a stocking over their heads for bed...and the straight hair isn;t natural. It takes a long time to get it like that.
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So are we talking 25 percent, 50 percent, 90 pecent? Half blacks included?
All I was pointing out is that it is a characteristic of black hair. Never thought/made a percentage. Don't really care either. Imus made a comment about a characteristic these girls had and I think that the two white girls had nappy looking hair but that wasn't a racist comment to them. It was assumed that it was racist to blacks, therefore the media and black community assume it is a quality pointing to them.
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just ask them, especially the dreads...they usually wear like a stocking over their heads for bed...and the straight hair isn;t natural. It takes a long time to get it like that.
What are you basing this on?
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What are you basing this on?
well I am in the military and spend months on end sleeping with 12 people in a tent, many blacks, and my last 3 roomates before I got married were black. Maybe it is their age, but they all either shaved their head or wore some sort of head cover to bed
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It's a school founded by Pat Robertson, just like Liberty is a school founded by Jerry Falwell. So what. Neither one of them run those respective schools. Berserker you have to help me out here. What exactly is the problem?
Wrong, Pat Robertson is the current Chancellor. The problem, I disagree with the choice of fastracking a bunch of graduates from Pat's school into high level positions in government, people who come from a school with the motto: "Christian Leadership to Change the World" I never said this was impeachable or something. It's one more thing that makes "the decider" look like a supreme ass.
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All I was pointing out is that it is a characteristic of black hair. Never thought/made a percentage. Don't really care either. Imus made a comment about a characteristic these girls had and I think that the two white girls had nappy looking hair but that wasn't a racist comment to them. It was assumed that it was racist to blacks, therefore the media and black community assume it is a quality pointing to them.
You made an overstatement and I was asking you to clarify ("What's funny is that blacks do have nappy hair . . . ."). Imus didn't make innocuous comments. He was clearly trying to make derogatory remarks. Whether he should have been fired for them is another issue, but he and guest were clearly trying to make racist comments. The "jigaboos" comment was unquestionably racist.
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You made an overstatement and I was asking you to clarify ("What's funny is that blacks do have nappy hair . . . ."). Imus didn't make innocuous comments. He was clearly trying to make derogatory remarks. Whether he should have been fired for them is another issue, but he and guest were clearly trying to make racist comments. The "jigaboos" comment was unquestionably racist.
But I did not specify number. How about Jackson's "Hymietown" comment? Imus is controversial which is fine. As far as I see it, Imus made a true statement except regarding their status as "hos" but I gather he made it because the black community calls women "hos".
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Wrong, Pat Robertson is the current Chancellor. The problem, I disagree with the choice of fastracking a bunch of graduates from Pat's school into high level positions in government, people who come from a school with the motto: "Christian Leadership to Change the World" I never said this was impeachable or something. It's one more thing that makes "the decider" look like a supreme ass.
Actually, I'm right. Robertson doesn't run the law school: http://www.regent.edu/acad/schlaw/faculty_staff/administration.cfm
So the problem is that Bush hired lawyers from a law school that emphasizes "Christian Leadership"? And this is a bad thing? You know my answer. :) These kids still have to pass the bar exam like every other law school graduate. Sounds to me like Bush is trying to hire conservatives. I don't expect anything less. Just like I'd expect Hillary to hire liberals.
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Well, this is all getting lost on what? If someone on this forum calls someone a nappy headed slut, it doesn't mean it's ok because some blacks have nappy hair. It's using a stereotyped aspect of the race against the person. It's quite obviously racist to do so. It's one of the few things we've limited in this forum and that is at Ron's request so know when you make a statement like that to another member, it will be considered racist here and it will be deleted. You can talk about race and race/racism but this is not the place to actively be racist.
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Well, this is all getting lost on what? If someone on this forum calls someone a nappy headed slut, it doesn't mean it's ok because some blacks have nappy hair. It's using a stereotyped aspect of the race against the person. It's quite obviously racist to do so. It's one of the few things we've limited in this forum and that is at Ron's request so know when you make a statement like that to another member, it will be considered racist here and it will be deleted. You can talk about race and race/racism but this is not the place to actively be racist.
What if I call Deedee a nappy headed ho? She could have nappy hair. I know white female BB players with nappy hair. ;D
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well I am in the military and spend months on end sleeping with 12 people in a tent, many blacks, and my last 3 roomates before I got married were black. Maybe it is their age, but they all either shaved their head or wore some sort of head cover to bed
I'm not sure you're seeing a representative sample. As I mentioned, my experience is much different than yours. I think you find similar grooming habits, regardless of race, that are based on education, profession, income, etc.
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Well, this is all getting lost on what? If someone on this forum calls someone a nappy headed slut, it doesn't mean it's ok because some blacks have nappy hair. It's using a stereotyped aspect of the race against the person. It's quite obviously racist to do so. It's one of the few things we've limited in this forum and that is at Ron's request so know when you make a statement like that to another member, it will be considered racist here and it will be deleted. You can talk about race and race/racism but this is not the place to actively be racist.
But the definition of Racism is...
1. a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others.
2. a policy, system of government, etc., based upon or fostering such a doctrine; discrimination.
I never said I was better because of my hair, nor did I discriminate in anyway....
But I get your point and I will be more careful, don't like the double standard though
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I'm not sure you're seeing a representative sample. As I mentioned, my experience is much different than yours. I think you find similar grooming habits, regardless of race, that are based on education, profession, income, etc.
I don't know, I mean I have known a few hundred and it was pretty much par for the course..just ask 'em sometime
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But I did not specify number. How about Jackson's "Hymietown" comment? Imus is controversial which is fine. As far as I see it, Imus made a true statement except regarding their status as "hos" but I gather he made it because the black community calls women "hos".
What about Jackson's comments? Obviously racist, but what does that have to do with Imus? Didn't he make the "Hymietown" comment over 20 years ago?
You can try and rationalize Imus' comments, but the comments by and his guest were clearly racist. And really out of place too. These girls are college students and elite athletes. They didn't deserve this. I'd be less sympathetic if they were hip hop rap video vixens.
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What about Jackson's comments? Obviously racist, but what does that have to do with Imus? Didn't he make the "Hymietown" comment over 20 years ago?
You can try and rationalize Imus' comments, but the comments by and his guest were clearly racist. And really out of place too. These girls are college students and elite athletes. They didn't deserve this. I'd be less sympathetic if they were hip hop rap video vixens.
I disagree. I guess by your logic we should censor "The Amazing Racist" (who is Jewish) for his comments about Mexicans and other races, Chris Rock, Paul Mooney and many others. They make racist comments regarding stereotypes, just like Imus. Same shit but they are making comments about whites.
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I disagree. I guess by your logic we should censor "The Amazing Racist" (who is Jewish) for his comments about Mexicans and other races, Chris Rock, Paul Mooney and many others. They make racist comments regarding stereotypes, just like Imus. Same shit but they are making comments about whites.
I don't know who "The Amazing Racist" is. Never heard of him. But sounds like apples and oranges. Comedians always make fun of race. The comments of Imus and his guest were just out of place. They weren't doing a comedy routine. They weren't making fun of different races. Just inappropriate. And stupid.
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Actually, I'm right. Robertson doesn't run the law school: http://www.regent.edu/acad/schlaw/faculty_staff/administration.cfm
So the problem is that Bush hired lawyers from a law school that emphasizes "Christian Leadership"? And this is a bad thing? You know my answer. :) These kids still have to pass the bar exam like every other law school graduate. Sounds to me like Bush is trying to hire conservatives. I don't expect anything less. Just like I'd expect Hillary to hire liberals.
Actually it says right here he serves as their president and chancellor, please do not try to tell me he has no direct influnce over the school. The notion would be silly as all hell. http://www.regent.edu/acad/undergrad/drpatrobertson/bio.cfm THis isn't about just highering conservatives... Well I think you know the justice department shouldnt' be intentionally politicized. Even John Ashcroft believes that. If Clinton had done exactly the same with say some crappy school that was founded by Barbara Striesand having the motto, "Leftist Leadership to Change the World" I would think you might have good call to bitch too!
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What if I call Deedee a nappy headed ho? She could have nappy hair. I know white female BB players with nappy hair. ;D
I'm not going to play. You know what I said and what I mean.
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What about Jackson's comments? Obviously racist, but what does that have to do with Imus? Didn't he make the "Hymietown" comment over 20 years ago?
You can try and rationalize Imus' comments, but the comments by and his guest were clearly racist. And really out of place too. These girls are college students and elite athletes. They didn't deserve this. I'd be less sympathetic if they were hip hop rap video vixens.
But Beach, how can these girls be so offended by what he said and yet I GUARANTEE they each have CDs from rappers that say much much worse that they listen to by choice. Not to mention the clubs they go to that play hour after hour of the same thing. Everytime they put the headphones on they are in their own little rap video
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But the definition of Racism is...
1. a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others.
2. a policy, system of government, etc., based upon or fostering such a doctrine; discrimination.
I never said I was better because of my hair, nor did I discriminate in anyway....
But I get your point and I will be more careful, don't like the double standard though
Thanks for defining "Racism" which does not in any fashion demonstrate that the comment you made was not racist ::) I really don't care what you think anyway. It's a judgement call by a mod and right unless Ron tells me otherwise.
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But Beach, how can these girls be so offended by what he said and yet I GUARANTEE they each have CDs from rappers that say much much worse that they listen to by choice. Not to mention the clubs they go to that play hour after hour of the same thing. Everytime they put the headphones on they are in their own little rap video
It really is quite perturbing that you are in the military with your serious racist leanings. Do they let you have a gun?
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Thanks for defining "Racism" which does not in any fashion demonstrate that the comment you made was not racist ::) I really don't care what you think anyway. It's a judgement call by a mod and right unless Ron tells me otherwise.
maybe you can explain how is was racist?
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maybe you can explain how is was racist?
I already did, I'm not going in circles for you ::)
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I already did, I'm not going in circles for you ::)
I didn't imply that one race was superior, nor did I discriminate. So simply because she was offended that makes it racism? So if she insults me and I get offended is it racism?
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I didn't imply that one race was superior, nor did I discriminate. So simply because she was offended that makes it racism? So if she insults me and I get offended is it racism?
Look, I'm telling you that if you call Jag that again, it will be taken as a racist comment on this board and be deleted. End of Story. Don't do it.
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What did MM69 say that was Racist? I missed it. ???
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What did MM69 say that was Racist? I missed it. ???
He decided to expand on calling her a slut ala Imus style. Ron and other mods don't want racist comments on this board, the only thing I'm doing is enforcing it. There was a complaint about mm69's comment and I made a judgement call, he said it clearly in anger at Jag so I enforced the policy.
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What did MM69 say that was Racist? I missed it. ???
Well, for one look at the thread he started about a black man shooting a kid.
The premise of the thread alone was bad, as it wasn't a even black guy that did the shooting but MM69 said since we are all so violent it is okay to blame us ::)
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Well, for one look at the thread he started about a black man shooting a kid.
The premise of the thread alone was bad, as it wasn't a even black guy that did the shooting but MM69 said since we are all so violent it is okay to blame us ::)
I didn't make the numbers up did I? I mean hell statistically speaking I wasn't totally of base with my assumption. The original post wasn't racist at all, maybe my comment to Jag was a tad over the line but it wan't out of anger. I don't get angry on here. This isn't reality...
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Well, for one look at the thread he started about a black man shooting a kid.
The premise of the thread alone was bad, as it wasn't a even black guy that did the shooting but MM69 said since we are all so violent it is okay to blame us ::)
Oh and the stats do show that them crazy white bitches are much more violent than black women...that is why I didn't marry a white woman
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Look you started a thread blaming a black man for a crime, he did not do.
End of story.
Have a nice mini-vacation with your wife btw.
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Look you started a thread blaming a black man for a crime, he did not do.
End of story.
Have a nice mini-vacation with your wife btw.
it almost sounds like you mean that...if so thank you
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it almost sounds like you mean that...if so thank you
I do, despite my violent tendencies[;D], you'll find me to be a perfectly pleasent person. Have a good time.
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I do, despite my violent tendencies[;D], you'll find me to be a perfectly pleasent person. Have a good time.
not to get all Mr. Rogers or anything but I think if we all met in a bar somewhere we sould have just as many laughs as arguments. But what fun would that be here?
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Actually it says right here he serves as their president and chancellor, please do not try to tell me he has no direct influnce over the school. The notion would be silly as all hell. http://www.regent.edu/acad/undergrad/drpatrobertson/bio.cfm THis isn't about just highering conservatives... Well I think you know the justice department shouldnt' be intentionally politicized. Even John Ashcroft believes that. If Clinton had done exactly the same with say some crappy school that was founded by Barbara Striesand having the motto, "Leftist Leadership to Change the World" I would think you might have good call to bitch too!
I will tell you that he doesn't run the law school, because he doesn't, as the link I provided shows. He's not the dean. And he's not a lawyer.
There are apparently 9 undergrad and 8 grad programs at that school. I am sure Robertson has some influence on the overall focus of the school and each program. But control of the law school? I doubt it. And again, so what.
I never complain about an elected official hiring their own partisan people, Republican or Democrat, liberal or conservative.
I also don't know whether it's a crappy law school.
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I will tell you that he doesn't run the law school, because he doesn't, as the link I provided shows. He's not the dean. And he's not a lawyer.
There are apparently 9 undergrad and 8 grad programs at that school. I am sure Robertson has some influence on the overall focus of the school and each program. But control of the law school? I doubt it. And again, so what.
I never complain about an elected official hiring their own partisan people, Republican or Democrat, liberal or conservative.
I also don't know whether it's a crappy law school.
It just happened to be another story with Bush in the headline. Again no big deal
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But Beach, how can these girls be so offended by what he said and yet I GUARANTEE they each have CDs from rappers that say much much worse that they listen to by choice. Not to mention the clubs they go to that play hour after hour of the same thing. Everytime they put the headphones on they are in their own little rap video
Sounds like an assumption based on a stereotype. I know plenty of black women who don't listen to rap. I said in another thread that I agree with you about this point if true, but neither one of us has any basis to conclude that these particular college students listen to that misogynist hip hop crap.
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Sounds like an assumption based on a stereotype. I know plenty of black women who don't listen to rap. I said in another thread that I agree with you about this point if true, but neither one of us has any basis to conclude that these particular college students listen to that misogynist hip hop crap.
Beach honsetly...You think basketball players in NJ don't go to dance clubs on the weekend...seriously?
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Beach honsetly...You think basketball players in NJ don't go to dance clubs on the weekend...seriously?
Do I think female Rutgers basketball student-athletes go to dance clubs on the weekends? Not during the season. Off-season, maybe. These particular student-athletes? Honestly, I have no idea.
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Do I think female Rutgers basketball student-athletes go to dance clubs on the weekends? Not during the season. Off-season, maybe. These particular student-athletes? Honestly, I have no idea.
wow man, hmmm, being a former college athlete myself, the athletes were the biggest partiers, and I mean year round..anyway, I guess there isn't enough info one way or the other
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Well considering the area in NJ where Rutgers is and the type of music played there, I can guarantee these women aren't listening to Kenny Chesney or Faith Hill. I wonder if they caught AFI before the European Tour. Lol. Beach, I think it is safe to say that all of those girls have been exposed to rap. The white athletes at my school, especially the female ones, are constantly listening to rap and hip hop. Face it, the rap community (because it is black) is protected. I'm sure the firing of Imus will do loads to fix this problem.
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Well considering the area in NJ where Rutgers is and the type of music played there, I can guarantee these women aren't listening to Kenny Chesney or Faith Hill. I wonder if they caught AFI before the European Tour. Lol. Beach, I think it is safe to say that all of those girls have been exposed to rap. The white athletes at my school, especially the female ones, are constantly listening to rap and hip hop. Face it, the rap community (because it is black) is protected. I'm sure the firing of Imus will do loads to fix this problem.
Yeah maybe it is just my age (not sure how old Beach is) but trust me, the hundreds of people in each club I go to on the weekend show how popular hip hop is. When I was in Ogden the women and Men from Weber State were always there, same with SLC, at it was full of athletes all year around. Nothing worng with listening to rap. My MP3 player is stocked with it for the weight room, but don't voluntarily listen to bitches and hoes and then try to say you are offended...and that is all I have to say about that
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I will tell you that he doesn't run the law school, because he doesn't, as the link I provided shows. He's not the dean. And he's not a lawyer.
There are apparently 9 undergrad and 8 grad programs at that school. I am sure Robertson has some influence on the overall focus of the school and each program. But control of the law school? I doubt it. And again, so what.
I never complain about an elected official hiring their own partisan people, Republican or Democrat, liberal or conservative.
I also don't know whether it's a crappy law school.
This doesn't come as a surprise to me. We just differ on what is and isn't issue worthy. Your record is that almost nothing bothers you. You are the king of the eye roll on getbig and hands down the biggest pacifist. No North American Union worries, move along nothing to see here... No issue with firing prosecutes the way Gonzo did, move along, nothing here... on and on... So I'm not shocked at all that you see nothing here. I honestly don't think you would give a crap about anything until you noticed it eating through your living room wall and lashing tentacles at a loved one. :)
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Yeah maybe it is just my age (not sure how old Beach is) but trust me, the hundreds of people in each club I go to on the weekend show how popular hip hop is. When I was in Ogden the women and Men from Weber State were always there, same with SLC, at it was full of athletes all year around. Nothing worng with listening to rap. My MP3 player is stocked with it for the weight room, but don't voluntarily listen to bitches and hoes and then try to say you are offended...and that is all I have to say about that
Might be the age thing. :) I was a student-athlete too (or more like athlete-student). I'm not saying they don't party. But I'm not about to say that these particular young ladies listen to woman-degrading hip hop. Maybe, maybe not.
But whether or not these girls should be offended really has nothing to do with whether the comments were appropriate.
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This doesn't come as a surprise to me. We just differ on what is and isn't issue worthy. Your record is that almost nothing bothers you. You are the king of the eye roll on getbig and hands down the biggest pacifist. No North American Union worries, move along nothing to see here... No issue with firing prosecutes the way Gonzo did, move along, nothing here... on and on... So I'm not shocked at all that you see nothing here. I honestly don't think you would give a crap about anything until you noticed it eating through your living room wall and lashing tentacles at a loved one. :)
True, we differ. And you're correct that few things bother me. But I have some: taxes, tobacco companies, gas prices, and pedophiles to name a few. But a pacifist? That's new. I thought I was a war monger? Now I'm confused. :)
No, I'm not worked up about Bush talking to Canada and Mexico. No, I could care less if U.S. Attorneys were fired for "political reasons" (like they ALWAYS are), so long as they were not fired to interfere with legitimate criminal investigations.
But I am a very low key, laid back person who doesn't excited over too much stuff.
And I LOVE the eye roll. I'd be totally incapable of communicating with some on here without it. :)
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True, we differ. And you're correct that few things bother me. But I have some: taxes, tobacco companies, gas prices, and pedophiles to name a few. But a pacifist? That's new. I thought I was a war monger? Now I'm confused. :)
No, I'm not worked up about Bush talking to Canada and Mexico. No, I could care less if U.S. Attorneys were fired for "political reasons" (like they ALWAYS are), so long as they were not fired to interfere with legitimate criminal investigations.
But I am a very low key, laid back person who doesn't excited over too much stuff.
And I LOVE the eye roll. I'd be totally incapable of communicating with some on here without it. :)
I haven't thought of you as a warmonger as much as the guy that goes along with what your party and the president says. Warmongers are the guys that get on here and cheerlead the war and talk up war with Iran and Syria as soon as possible. You may not be a true pacifist as would be labeled for a lot of lefties, but your demeanor has pacifist written all over it which is why I toss the label at you. There's almost a little slacker way with you. you know, way to much of that, "Whatever" "Who Cares" "Big Deal" "So What" "::)" You really picked the right username that's for sure :) Plus, I highly suspect you get a little charge out of popping into a thread and going, "big deal" where people believe there is a problem.
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I love it, 150 lawyers from one of if not the WORST law schools in the country are hired by this administration and yet the neotaints don't seem to care. At least one of these so called lawyers didn't even have any other job offers but of course he was hired by the Bush team.
Not to mention the fact that a Dean from this TERRIBLE law school was hired as Director of the Office of Personnel Management which essentially puts him in charge of the entire Executive Branch's Human Resources Department.
Bwahhaaahhaaaa
What's next, completely forgoing law school graduates and hiring applicants to be lawyers without any education in law?
Nope, nothing wrong with hiring the least qualified candidates. Perhaps they can get the next batch of hires right out of high school.
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I love it, 150 lawyers from one of if not the WORST law schools in the country are hired by this administration and yet the neotaints don't seem to care. At least one of these so called lawyers didn't even have any other job offers but of course he was hired by the Bush team.
Not to mention the fact that a Dean from this TERRIBLE law school was hired as Director of the Office of Personnel Management which essentially puts him in charge of the entire Executive Branch's Human Resources Department.
Bwahhaaahhaaaa
What's next, completely forgoing law school graduates and hiring applicants to be lawyers without any education in law?
Nope, nothing wrong with hiring the least qualified candidates. Perhaps they can get the next batch of hires right out of high school.
I (I know you classify me as neotaint, we will just disagree on that one) personally didn't cast approval or dissaproval. Without #s to compare things to I can't get worked up one way or another, you kinow like percentage hired from that school, how they did on board exams compared to others, shit like that. In politics this is how things work. You criticize Regent for being too right wing, but how many law schools go the exact other way and breed liberal lawyers? So it doesn't suprise me that a company (the government) would look for lawyers that share their political views. Now I will admit that if there are more Regent grads by percentage than any other school represented I will question it. But say Harvard, or Yale have higher #s then I think it is a nonissue.
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I (I know you classify me as neotaint, we will just disagree on that one) personally didn't cast approval or dissaproval. Without #s to compare things to I can't get worked up one way or another, you kinow like percentage hired from that school, how they did on board exams compared to others, shit like that. In politics this is how things work. You criticize Regent for being too right wing, but how many law schools go the exact other way and breed liberal lawyers? So it doesn't suprise me that a company (the government) would look for lawyers that share their political views. Now I will admit that if there are more Regent grads by percentage than any other school represented I will question it. But say Harvard, or Yale have higher #s then I think it is a nonissue.
While I don't agree with hiring so many candidates from a school that Robertson created and that stands for his agenda I understand it.
I said this earlier, my main point is that 150 new hires came from such a bad school. There is simply no way to sugarcoat the fact that Regent is one of the worst law schools in the US. Not to mention the man that heads the entire Executive Branch's HR department is from Regent.
If he had hired Christian Conservative lawyers from top notch law schools I wouldn't say a thing.
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While I don't agree with hiring so many candidates from a school that Robertson created and that stands for his agenda I understand it.
I said this earlier, my main point is that 150 new hires came from such a bad school. There is simply no way to sugarcoat the fact that Regent is one of the worst law schools in the US. Not to mention the man that heads the entire Executive Branch's HR department is from Regent.
If he had hired Christian Conservative lawyers from top notch law schools I wouldn't say a thing.
point taken, I don't know much about the rating system, but does thier newness bring the rating down?
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I haven't thought of you as a warmonger as much as the guy that goes along with what your party and the president says. Warmongers are the guys that get on here and cheerlead the war and talk up war with Iran and Syria as soon as possible. You may not be a true pacifist as would be labeled for a lot of lefties, but your demeanor has pacifist written all over it which is why I toss the label at you. There's almost a little slacker way with you. you know, way to much of that, "Whatever" "Who Cares" "Big Deal" "So What" "::)" You really picked the right username that's for sure :) Plus, I highly suspect you get a little charge out of popping into a thread and going, "big deal" where people believe there is a problem.
I don't have a party, but I do support the president.
I guess I need a few more phrases? What I say often here is "no worry" or "no worries" (local sayings similar to the Jamaican saying "no problem"). I guess it's one of the benefits of living in a place where life is much slower. People are nicer. Hey we even have an unwritten "no honk" rule on the road. You don't really appreciate it till you go back to the mainland and have people honk all the time. It's nice.
Love my user name. The beach is my second home. My hammock is one of the loves of my life. But I don't drop in threads just to take stabs at people (for the most part). If I say "big deal" it's because I don't think it's a big deal.
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point taken, I don't know much about the rating system, but does thier newness bring the rating down?
Most likely. I doubt you find many newer schools (regardless of discipline) high in the U.S. News & World Report rankings.
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not to get all Mr. Rogers or anything but I think if we all met in a bar somewhere we sould have just as many laughs as arguments. But what fun would that be here?
Thanks. Why not lets just start the fun now, spread the love, decrease the hate and all other applicable cliches :D
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"Can't we all just get along?" :D
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Make love not war :D
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Thanks. Why not lets just start the fun now, spread the love, decrease the hate and all other applicable cliches :D
that would be no fun!! lol, but I will agree to quit name calling as long as I recieve the same
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Time for a group hug? :D
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Did you catch that on Bill Maher last night? 150 graduates of Pat Robertson's Regent University are in the Bush Administration? ::) "Regent Law was ranked in Tier 4 by U.S. News, the lowest ranking and essentially a tie for 136th place out of 170 schools surveyed."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/max-blumenthal/monica-goodling-one-of-1_b_44588.html
Regent recently hired former attorney general John Ashcroft for the class on "Human Rights, Civil Liberties, and National Security." http://www.regent.edu/news/_press_releases/march_2005/ashcroft.cfm ahahhahhahahhahahhahhaha
Bill Mahar and Ariana Huffington are synonomus with idoitism and the anti-american, pro-communtist, George Soros, Hollywood left moral losers that they are!
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that would be no fun!! lol, but I will agree to quit name calling as long as I recieve the same
Thats nice to hear, seriously. Btw, I never call anyone bad names anyway.
Time for a group hug? :D
That's the spirit Beachbum!
Edit: I-One just came in and ruined our Kodak moment here >:(
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Edit: I-One just came in and ruined our Kodak moment here >:(
Smile and say Cheeeeez........ ;D
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Thats nice to hear, seriously. Btw, I never call anyone bad names anyway.
That's the spirit Beachbum!
Edit: I-One just came in and ruined our Kodak moment here >:(
Btw, I never call anyone bad names anyway.
oh so now you are better than me?
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Btw, I never call anyone bad names anyway.
oh so now you are better than me?
You are kind of aggressive aren't you?
You said you promise to lay off name calling, I pointed out I dont call people names anyway, as in you'll have no problems from me. That simple, calm down. You need to relax, I highly recomend a vacation on a Caribbean beach resort 8)
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You are kind of aggressive aren't you?
You said you promise to lay off name calling, I pointed out I dont call people names anyway, as in you'll have no problems from me. That simple, calm down. You need to relax, I highly recomend a vacation on a Caribbean beach resort 8)
lmao, you took that seriously? I was fooling because earlier I had said what fun would it be to play nice...I am a little agressive on here. No one here would ever pick me out of a crowd in real life. My personailty is about as laid back as possible. This is a fun place to play the mean guy from time to time
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lmao, you took that seriously? I was fooling because earlier I had said what fun would it be to play nice...I am a little agressive on here. No one here would ever pick me out of a crowd in real life. My personailty is about as laid back as possible. This is a fun place to play the mean guy from time to time
hehe, whoops, sorry :-[
Bear with me, english is not my native language so sometimes subtle humor/posts are lost on me.
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hehe, whoops, sorry :-[
Bear with me, english is not my native language so sometimes subtle humor/posts are lost on me.
in real life you would have known, It is hard to pick up on a person't intent by reading...hard to convey things sometimes
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Bill Mahar and Ariana Huffington are synonomus with idoitism and the anti-american, pro-communtist, George Soros, Hollywood left moral losers that they are!
what no Rush transcripts?
could you possibly be any more of a caricature of a right wing tool?
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what no Rush transcripts?
could you possibly be any more of a caricature of a right wing tool?
Could be worse, I could be getting my info from the "Huffington Post"............BTW, when even I post conservative views on there they promptly get deleted........so much for the Libs freedom of speech.
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Could be worse, I could be getting my info from the "Huffington Post"............BTW, when even I post conservative views on there they promptly get deleted........so much for the Libs freedom of speech.
If your posts on that site are anything like the ones on this site then I can see why they would be deleted. You don't present a conservative point of view you just post shit like this
Bill Mahar and Ariana Huffington are synonomus with idoitism and the anti-american, pro-communtist, George Soros, Hollywood left moral losers that they are!
How does this contribute to any conversation. Why don't you try presenting something that's actually relevent and backing it up with some sort of intelligent argument. Or in lieu of an intelligent argument, how about any argument rather than just constant name calling. If you did that people might take you more seriously
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in real life you would have known, It is hard to pick up on a person't intent by reading...hard to convey things sometimes
Yes, thanks, I am a bit less obtuse offline :D
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How does this contribute to any conversation. Why don't you try presenting something that's actually relevent and backing it up with some sort of intelligent argument. Or in lieu of an intelligent argument, how about any argument rather than just constant name calling. If you did that people might take you more seriously
Because like Rush............I'm right :D!!
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Because like Rush............I'm right :D!!
It's apparent you think you're right but the way you present yourself does nothing to convince anyone else that you're right. Do you not see that?
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point taken, I don't know much about the rating system, but does thier newness bring the rating down?
To be honest I don't know but the point remains, it's a terrible law school. The age of the school does not matter, and to be honest bringing the topic up sounds like excuse making.
The fact is the school is ranked at the absolute bottom of the rankings. It's a terrible law school and 150 of it's graduates are in this administration along with one of it's deans running the whole HR departmant of the Executive Branch.
As I said in another post, there's no way to sugarcoat the fact that this administration has hired 150 graduates of one of the worst law schools in the US.
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To be honest I don't know but the point remains, it's a terrible law school. The age of the school does not matter, and to be honest bringing the topic up sounds like excuse making.
The fact is the school is ranked at the absolute bottom of the rankings. It's a terrible law school and 150 of it's graduates are in this administration along with one of it's deans running the whole HR departmant of the Executive Branch.
As I said in another post, there's no way to sugarcoat the fact that this administration has hired 150 graduates of one of the worst law schools in the US.
wait, how do you KNOW how "terrible" it is. And if the age of the school has a play in the rating system then yes it does matter. You think when Harvard was created it was the best school in the nation on day one?
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So I looked at the top 21 USA today ranked law schools. All but 4 (Duke, UCLA, USCG, Chicago) were started in the 1800s, of the 4 that were started after 1900, UCLA is the oldest at 1949. Of the 21 schools only 6 had higher LSAT requirements for Admission (North Western, Columbia, NYU, Stanford, Harvard and Yale). From the numbers I would have to think age of school plays a big role in ratings. Regent only has 20 years under it's belt. So why is it you think it is such a bad school?
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I know because US News & World Report publishes THE ratings for institutes of higher education in the US. And it's been doing it for a long time. They have strict guidelines for their ratings, most everyone that can choose between colleges uses the ratings from US News to help make that decision. At least up here they do.
Especially for graduate level programs. Making the top of the list is highly coveted by colleges and universities.
I know you're trying to cast doubt on the ratings but you won't succeed. I would bet my life on the fact that Regent wants to be higher on the list.
Read that article from The Boston Globe that I posted earlier.
Since you're making the assertion that the age plays a role perhaps you could find some proof of this. If you can't all you're doing is diverting attention.
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I know because US News & World Report publishes THE ratings for institutes of higher education in the US. And it's been doing it for a long time. They have strict guidelines for their ratings, most everyone that can choose between colleges uses the ratings from US News to help make that decision. At least up here they do.
Especially for graduate level programs. Making the top of the list is highly coveted by colleges and universities.
I know you're trying to cast doubt on the ratings but you won't succeed. I would bet my life on the fact that Regent wants to be higher on the list.
Read that article from The Boston Globe that I posted earlier.
Since you're making the assertion that the age plays a role perhaps you could find some proof of this. If you can't all you're doing is diverting attention.
I am sure they want to be higher and I bet someday they will be. You don't think that having 17 of the top 21 schools being founded in the 1800s shows how age plays a role? But what do you have that shows that Regent is a bad school? And also, their admission requirements were higher than 15 of the top 21 schools..
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shut up loser....I am happy to see you post a stat for the first time ever. And I am glad you turn to a comedian as your news source. Who is your other? John stewart?
So is the information bogus or not?
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So is the information bogus or not?
the fact that 150 were hired? I think it is true, but I am trying to find out why it is such a big deal....
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the fact that 150 were hired? I think it is true, but I am trying to find out why it is such a big deal....
mm69,
The beef here - and as an independent I think you would be upset too - is that the party in power is bringing in barely qualified people because of their religious beliefs and skill in changing the law to reflect their own religious belief.
It's mixing church and state.
And if you're okay with it, then please tell the class you'd be okay with President Barrack Obama putting in 150 barely skilled lawyers who just happened to study Isalamic law in Saudi Arabia and Syria.
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mm69,
The beef here - and as an independent I think you would be upset too - is that the party in power is bringing in barely qualified people because of their religious beliefs and skill in changing the law to reflect their own religious belief.
It's mixing church and state.
And if you're okay with it, then please tell the class you'd be okay with President Barrack Obama putting in 150 barely skilled lawyers who just happened to study Isalamic law in Saudi Arabia and Syria.
Damn 240... you not with the GOP no more.... :(
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mm69,
The beef here - and as an independent I think you would be upset too - is that the party in power is bringing in barely qualified people because of their religious beliefs and skill in changing the law to reflect their own religious belief.
It's mixing church and state.
And if you're okay with it, then please tell the class you'd be okay with President Barrack Obama putting in 150 barely skilled lawyers who just happened to study Isalamic law in Saudi Arabia and Syria.
I never said I was ok with it, I am just trying to find more info about it. And tell me that a Dem won;t try to place Lib lawyers? Again I am neither ok or not ok at this point. Just want to know more. Like I said, If these 150 people make up like 5%, no big deal. If they are 15-20%, then wait a minute. The constitution never said you can't mix church and state, it just said the government can't dictate which religion one will follow.
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
I don't know of any laws that have been made establishing religion. I have seen a lot of attempt to prohibit the free exercise though, like making prayer illegal in schools
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Damn 240... you not with the GOP no more.... :(
He didn't leave the GOP, ...the GOP left him. :P
Berserker once called it 'Invasion of the bodysnatchers' ;D
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He didn't leave the GOP, ...the GOP left him. :P
Berserker once called it 'Invasion of the bodysnatchers' ;D
Is this place always this hopping on a sunday, this is my first weekend on here, will be the last to until my next TDY in July
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Damn 240... you not with the GOP no more.... :(
I *AM* with the GOP.
And if more republicans were willing to admit the flaws and wrongdoings, we'd stop doing it, and the party would stop losing ground, which it did in 2006 and will in 2008.
You see, folks like Beach bum who blindly defend outright crimes and lies by republicans are BAD for the party. They cost it credibility. Would you trust beach Bum in real life if he told you anything? hell no, not after he's defended Gonzalez nonstop in the face of obvious lies.
When 240 says something positive about the republican party, it holds a lot more weight and credibility, because you have heard 240 be outright honest about the party's flaws.
Look at it this way - which is the better parent...
Parent A:
The one who believes they kid does no wrong, doesn't punish them, doesn't discipline them, and blames every other kid on the block for what their kid does, or
Parent B:
The one who spanks their kid's ass when he's bad, makes him admit wrongdoing, and teaches him right from wrong?
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I never said I was ok with it, I am just trying to find more info about it. And tell me that a Dem won;t try to place Lib lawyers? Again I am neither ok or not ok at this point. Just want to know more. Like I said, If these 150 people make up like 5%, no big deal. If they are 15-20%, then wait a minute. The constitution never said you can't mix church and state, it just said the government can't dictate which religion one will follow.
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
I don't know of any laws that have been made establishing religion. I have seen a lot of attempt to prohibit the free exercise though, like making prayer illegal in schools
Individuals can still pray in school, ...it is the school that is not allowed to lead them in that prayer.
I don't know about you, ...but I wouldn't want to have to be forced to pray to Allah 5 x's a day.
You uphold an individual's right to not have to be forced to adopt the faith of another,
...so that YOU yourself will not be forced to adopt the faith of others.
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Individuals can still pray in school, ...it is the school that is not allowed to lead them in that prayer.
I don't know about you, ...but I wouldn't want to have to be forced to pray to Allah 5 x's a day.
You uphold an individual's right to not have to be forced to adopt the faith of another,
...so that YOU yourself will not be forced to adopt the faith of others.
Ok maybe I have mis understood, I thought that kids weren't allowed to pray period...is it maybe different by state?
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Ok maybe I have mis understood, I thought that kids weren't allowed to pray period...is it maybe different by state?
When I was a kid, we had "The Lord's Prayer" in school. Everyday we had to start the day with it.
I can see where in public education that can be considered a mixture of church & state.
In addition, I can also understand why those of a different faith should NOT be made to do so by the state.
When I was 13, I spent a month in Connecticut with my Aunt and her minister husband. It was fun ...NOT!
Every single frikkin day we had to attend Vacation Bible school. <spit> And we were not allowed to wear pants, ...at all let alone jeans (or dungarees as my aunt called them). Anyway, vacation bible school always opened with the "Pledge of Allegiance". In their ignorance, they were flaggergasted that two little school kids from Canada didn't know "The Pledge of Allegiance" by heart, ...and were equally dismayed at our refusal to place our hands over our hearts and recite it. I swear if I didn't think it would have given the women a heart attack on the spot, I might have told her to Go F herself. She came close enough to the heart attck tho. When we went up to NYC to visit other relatives, we went shopping. I can't tell you how many pairs of jeans me & my sister bought. ;D
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When I was a kid, we had "The Lord's Prayer" in school. Everyday we had to start the day with it.
I can see where in public education that can be considered a mixture of church & state.
In addition, I can also understand why those of a different faith should NOT be made to do so by the state.
When I was 13, I spent a month in Connecticut with my Aunt and her minister husband. It was fun ...NOT!
Every single frikkin day we had to attend Vacation Bible school. <spit> And we were not allowed to wear pants, ...at all let alone jeans (or dungarees as my aunt called them). Anyway, vacation bible school always opened with the "Pledge of Allegiance". In their ignorance, they were flaggergasted that two little school kids from Canada didn't know "The Pledge of Allegiance" by heart, ...and were equally dismayed at our refusal to place our hands over our hearts and recite it. I swear if I didn't think it would have given the women a heart attack on the spot, I might have told her to Go F herself. She came close enough to the heart attck tho. When we went up to NYC to visit other relatives, we went shopping. I can't tell you how many pairs of jeans me & my sister bought. ;D
I agree that prayer shouldn't be mandatory, I just don't want my kid sent home for doing it on his own
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So I looked at the top 21 USA today ranked law schools. All but 4 (Duke, UCLA, USCG, Chicago) were started in the 1800s, of the 4 that were started after 1900, UCLA is the oldest at 1949. Of the 21 schools only 6 had higher LSAT requirements for Admission (North Western, Columbia, NYU, Stanford, Harvard and Yale). From the numbers I would have to think age of school plays a big role in ratings. Regent only has 20 years under it's belt. So why is it you think it is such a bad school?
Good work MM. Nice to have the facts. I would also imagine that if you went back 30 or 40 years (or however long US News has been doing their rankings) you'd find the same cast of characters in Tier 1. I doubt they change much.
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mm69,
The beef here - and as an independent I think you would be upset too - is that the party in power is bringing in barely qualified people because of their religious beliefs and skill in changing the law to reflect their own religious belief.
It's mixing church and state.
LOL. . . . .
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When I was a kid, we had "The Lord's Prayer" in school. Everyday we had to start the day with it.
I can see where in public education that can be considered a mixture of church & state.
In addition, I can also understand why those of a different faith should NOT be made to do so by the state.
When I was 13, I spent a month in Connecticut with my Aunt and her minister husband. It was fun ...NOT!
Every single frikkin day we had to attend Vacation Bible school. <spit> And we were not allowed to wear pants, ...at all let alone jeans (or dungarees as my aunt called them). Anyway, vacation bible school always opened with the "Pledge of Allegiance". In their ignorance, they were flaggergasted that two little school kids from Canada didn't know "The Pledge of Allegiance" by heart, ...and were equally dismayed at our refusal to place our hands over our hearts and recite it. I swear if I didn't think it would have given the women a heart attack on the spot, I might have told her to Go F herself. She came close enough to the heart attck tho. When we went up to NYC to visit other relatives, we went shopping. I can't tell you how many pairs of jeans me & my sister bought. ;D
Actually, saying a prayer is not Church infringing on the State but I will not touch this one too much. It's funny though how the church and state separation is in place yet schools give off for religious holidays. Seems wierd to me.
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Actually, saying a prayer is not Church infringing on the State but I will not touch this one too much. It's funny though how the church and state separation is in place yet schools give off for religious holidays. Seems wierd to me.
It's simply a matter of practicality. What are you going to accomplish if many of the students or teachers do not show up.
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I am sure they want to be higher and I bet someday they will be. You don't think that having 17 of the top 21 schools being founded in the 1800s shows how age plays a role? But what do you have that shows that Regent is a bad school? And also, their admission requirements were higher than 15 of the top 21 schools..
This is getting ridiculous. If you don't want to give credence to the rankings US News and World Report assigns then don't but don't expect everyone to follow suit.
Take a look at what criteria they use to come up with the rankings and then comment on it, to blindly say the age of Regent is the reason is fishing.
The fact remains US News & World Report thinks the quality of education Regent provides is Tier 4. The only reason you even care is because so many of them work for Bush, if they didn't you wouldn't be saying a thing about Regent.
BTW, you failed to comment on the fact that at least one of the Regent graduates hired by this administration had ZERO other job offers and that's by his own admission.
This little diversion by you is why I call you a neotaint. Blind and ridiculous defense of the indefensible. Why not just admit they could have hired applicants from better schools and let that be the end of it? ::)
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It's simply a matter of practicality. What are you going to accomplish if many of the students or teachers do not show up.
Well if 70% of students in the US are Christian, it's practical to say a prayer. Majority rules. BTW, I don't care one way or another as long as the pledge stays intact.
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whatever who cares...dodgers kicked ass last night...politics suck..spors rule...go dodgers...
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whatever who cares...dodgers kicked ass last night...politics suck..spors rule...go dodgers...
FCUK yea Malcolm.
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Well if 70% of students in the US are Christian, it's practical to say a prayer. Majority rules. BTW, I don't care one way or another as long as the pledge stays intact.
i agree 100%...