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The Republican Congressional leadership:
(until recently) ALL "CHICKENHAWKS":
Republicans Conservative attacked President Clinton for having questioned the Vietnam War. But unlike ChickenHawks, Liberals like Bill Clinton fought to save ALL American young men from injury and/or death in a senseless war -- which most of us now belatedly understand was the right thing to do. --
On the other hand there were literally millions of dishonest hypocritical, cowardly conservatives who supported the war and argued in favor of other young Americans going off to fight and die in Vietnam, while "conserving" their own precious hides stateside! Here are just a few of these high profile, holier than thou hypocrites:
George W. Bush -- used his family connections (what else is new?!?) to get into the Air National Guard and then "deserted" his post for two years. but still got an "Honorable Discharge".
see AWOL from National Guard Duty
Dick Cheney -- sought graduate school deferment, (too smart to die).
The whole Bush Family's aversion to Military Service:
[ Correct me, if am wrong, but since I could not find any evidence that any of the following did serve, I am assuming that they didn't.]
None of George W. Bush's three brothers, Jeb, Marvin, or Neil served.
None of George H. W. Bush's three brothers, Jonathan J. , William T. , or Prescott S. Bush served.
President George H. W. Bush's sister, Dorothy Walker Bush was married and divorced twice, and dated reportedly gay Congressman David Dreier for a year. Does that count ?
Neither of President George W. Bush's two adult children (twin daughters) have served.
Neither of Governor Jeb Bush's two adult children (son & daughter) have served.
Who knows if either of brother Jonathan J. Bush's two adult sons have served?
Republican chickenhawks in the U.S. Senate:
Old Senate Majority Leader Trent Lott : avoided the draft, did not serve.
New Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist: did not serve.
John Ashcroft: did not serve. Seven deferments, to teach business.
Saxby Chambliss: did not serve. "Bad knee" He defeated tripelegic Democratic war hero Max Cleland by questioning his patriotism!
Don Nickles: did not serve.
Mitch McConnell: did not serve.
Rick Santorum: did not serve.
Richard Shelby: did not serve.
Phil Gramm: did not serve.
Spencer Abraham: did not serve.
Jon Kyl: did not serve.
John Engler: did not serve.
Republican chickenhawks in the U.S. House :
Newt Gingrich -- sought graduate school deferment, (too smart to die).
Majority Leader Dick Armey - avoided the draft, did not serve.
Majority Leader Tom Delay - avoided the draft, did not serve.
Majority Leader John A. Boehner - did not serve.
Jack Kemp: did not serve. "Knee problem," although continued in NFL for 8 years.
G.O.P. Leader Roy Blunt: did not serve.
Bob Ney: did not serve.
David Dreier: did not serve.
Tim Hutchison: did not serve.
Christopher Cox: did not serve.
Dana Rohrabacher: did not serve.
John M. McHugh: did not serve.
JC Watts: did not serve.
Vin Weber: did not serve.
Bob Barr: did not serve.
Mark Souder: did not serve.
Walter Jones: did not serve.
Katherine Harris: did not serve. .
Republican chickenhawks in the Executive & Judicial branches:
Don Rumsfeld: served in Navy (1954-57) as flight instructor.
Kenneth Starr : sought deferment (for psoriasis).
Bill Bennett : sought graduate school deferment, (too smart to die).
Arnold Schwarzenegger: AWOL from Austrian army base.
Ted Olson, (Starr's assistand, and since Solictor General)
Karl Rove: did not serve.
Paul Wolfowitz: did not serve.
Richard Perle: did not serve.
Douglas Feith: did not serve.
Eliot Abrams: did not serve.
Ari Fleischer: did not serve.
Andrew Card: did not serve.
Ken Adelman: did not serve.
Don Evans: did not serve.
Michael Ledeen: did not serve.
Elliott Abrams: did not serve.
John Bolton: did not serve.
Rudy Giuliani: did not serve.
George Pataki: did not serve.
Kenneth Starr: did not serve.
Supreme Court :
John G. Roberts, Jr.: did not serve.
Samuel Alito: did not serve.
Antonin Scalia: did not serve.
Clarence Thomas: did not serve.
The LIBERAL John Paul Stevens is the only current justice who DID serve, (in the Navy during the 3 worst years of WW II).
Republican chickenhawk Mouthpieces :
Rush Limbaugh -- sought deferment (because of a cyst on his tail end).
George Will -- sought graduate school deferment, (too smart to die).
Pat Buchanan -- sought deferment (for bad knee).
Pat Robertson -- his US Senator father got him out of Korea as soon as the shooting began.
John Wayne -- sought deferment (to further acting career).
Sean Hannity: did not serve.
Bill O'Reilly: did not serve.
Chris Matthews: did not serve.
Matt Drudge: did not serve.
Steve Forbes: did not serve.
Tony Snow: did not serve.
Michael "Savage" Weiner: did not serve.
Brit Hume: did not serve.
Roger Ailes: did not serve.
Paul Gigot: did not serve.
Bill Kristol: did not serve.
Ralph Reed: did not serve.
Michael Medved: did not serve.
Charlie Daniels: did not serve.
Anne Coulter: did not serve.
Jerry Falwell: did not serve.
Alan Keyes : did not serve.
Ted Nugent: did not serve.
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For a great illustrated version of this list, check out
angelfire.com/ok5/pearly/htmls/gop-pansies.html
For a great shockwave version, check out
toostupidtobepresident.c om/shockwave/chickenhawks.htm
For "Chickenhawk Blues" song http://scroom.com/chickenhawkblues
For a great set of Playing Cards for only $14.95, check out
www.chickenhawkcards.com
DEMOCRATIC LEADERS
who "walked the walk" :
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While most Democrats don't just say that war should be the last resort but truly believe it and try to resolve conflicts through more peaceful means, when just wars have been necessary and unavoidable, they have a long established record of putting their own lives and those of their own children on the line, rather than persuading other people to sacrifice themselves and their children:
Senator & Presidential Candidate McGovern, one of the elite few Air Force bomber pilots to fly the maximum 35 successful bombing missions in WW II. Stephen Ambrose, who wrote a book about him, called him "one of the greatest patriots I know."
Former Vice President Al Gore - enlisted August 1969; sent to Vietnam January 1971 as an army journalist, assigned to the 20th Engineer Brigade headquartered at Bien Hoa, an airbase twenty miles northeast of Saigon.
Senator John Kerry, Lt., U.S. Navy 1966-70; Silver Star, Bronze Star with Combat V, and three awards of the Purple Heart for his service in combat.
Gov. & President Jimmy Carter: Lt. Commander in the Navy 1946-53.
Gov. & presidential candidate, Michael Dukakis: Army 1955-57.
Sen. John Glenn: WWII and Korea; six DFCs; Air Medal w/18 Clusters.
Gov. & U.S. Sen. Chuck Robb: U.S. Marine Corps, 1961-70, Vietnam.
Senator Daniel Inouye, US Army 1943-'47; Medal of Honor, World War Two.
Senator Ted Kennedy (D-MA) - U.S. Army, 1951-1953.
Senator Tom Harkin (D-IA) - Lt., U.S. Navy, 1962-67; Naval Reserve, 1968-74.
Senator Jack Reed (D-RI) - U.S. Army Ranger, 1971-1979; Captain, Army Reserve 1979-91.
Senator Fritz Hollings (D-SC) - served as a U.S. Army officer in World War II, receiving the Bronze Star and seven campaign ribbons.
Senate Minority Leader Tom Daschle - 1st Lt., U.S. Air Force SAC 1969-72.
Former Senator Bob Kerrey... Democrat... Lt. j.g., U.S. Navy 1966-69; Medal of Honor, Vietnam
Former Senator Max Cleland, Captain, U.S. Army 1965-68; Silver Star & Bronze Star, Vietnam.
Sen. Howell Heflin: Silver star.
Representative Richard Gephardt, former House Minority Leader - Missouri Air National Guard, 1965-71..
Representative David Bonior - Staff Sgt., United States Air Force 1968-72.
Representative Charles Rangel, Staff Sgt., U.S. Army 1948-52; Bronze Star, Korea.
Representative Jack Murtha (D-PA) - distinguished 37-year career in the U.S. Marine Corps, Bronze Star and two Purple Hearts, retired from the Marine Corps Reserve as a colonel in 1990.
Representative Leonard Boswell (D-IA) - Lt. Col., U.S. Army 1956-76; two tours in Vietnam, two Distinguished Flying Crosses as a helicopter pilot, two Bronze Stars, and the Soldier's Medal.
Former Representative "Pete" Peterson, Air Force Captain, POW, Ambassador to Viet Nam, and recipient of the Purple Heart, the Silver Star and the Legion of Merit.
Rep. Mike Thompson, D-CA: Staff sergeant/platoon leader with the 173rd Airborne Brigade, U.S. Army; was wounded and received a Purple Heart.
Pete Stark, D-CA, served in the Air Force 1955-57.
Tom Lantos: Served in Hungarian underground in WWII.
Jim McDermott: Navy.
Gray Davis, California Governor, Army Captain in Vietnam; received Bronze Star.
Bill McBride, Democratic Candidate for Florida Governor - volunteered and served as a U.S. Marine in Vietnam; awarded Bronze Star with a combat "V."
Gen. Wesley Clark, Democratic Presidential Candidate - lengthy military career.
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One of the most consistent supporters among prominent Democrats of G.W. Bush, when it comes to his war in Iraq, is Senator Joe Lieberman of Connecticut. Joe never served in the military, which may be why he has been one of the Democratic Party's most enthusiastic chickenhawks, and why he was a prime candidate to become Bush's Secretary of Defense, if and when Rumsfeld could be forced to resign.
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you couldn't find one person that supports the war that served? I mean serious. See the difference between Vietnam and Iraq is we are all volunteer military now. I agree it was bad in vietnam that people that never served would send others to fight for them. But In my 10 years of service I have been deployed for 5. But that is my job, the other 5 I have collected a pay check all the same. I don't have a problem going to Iraq again if needed, I joined as a volunteer.
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The Republican Congressional leadership:
(until recently) ALL "CHICKENHAWKS":
Republicans Conservative attacked President Clinton for having questioned the Vietnam War. But unlike ChickenHawks, Liberals like Bill Clinton fought to save ALL American young men from injury and/or death in a senseless war -- which most of us now belatedly understand was the right thing to do. --
On the other hand there were literally millions of dishonest hypocritical, cowardly conservatives who supported the war and argued in favor of other young Americans going off to fight and die in Vietnam, while "conserving" their own precious hides stateside! Here are just a few of these high profile, holier than thou hypocrites:
So what? I haven't "served" either. Neither have a majority of my generation, unlike previous generations when we had a draft and major wars. Does that mean I'm not entitled to an opinion on the current war one way or the other?
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The Republican Congressional leadership:
(until recently) ALL "CHICKENHAWKS":
Republicans Conservative attacked President Clinton for having questioned the Vietnam War. But unlike ChickenHawks, Liberals like Bill Clinton fought to save ALL American young men from injury and/or death in a senseless war -- which most of us now belatedly understand was the right thing to do. --
On the other hand there were literally millions of dishonest hypocritical, cowardly conservatives who supported the war and argued in favor of other young Americans going off to fight and die in Vietnam, while "conserving" their own precious hides stateside! Here are just a few of these high profile, holier than thou hypocrites:
George W. Bush -- used his family connections (what else is new?!?) to get into the Air National Guard and then "deserted" his post for two years. but still got an "Honorable Discharge".
see AWOL from National Guard Duty
Dick Cheney -- sought graduate school deferment, (too smart to die).
The whole Bush Family's aversion to Military Service:
[ Correct me, if am wrong, but since I could not find any evidence that any of the following did serve, I am assuming that they didn't.]
None of George W. Bush's three brothers, Jeb, Marvin, or Neil served.
None of George H. W. Bush's three brothers, Jonathan J. , William T. , or Prescott S. Bush served.
President George H. W. Bush's sister, Dorothy Walker Bush was married and divorced twice, and dated reportedly gay Congressman David Dreier for a year. Does that count ?
Neither of President George W. Bush's two adult children (twin daughters) have served.
Neither of Governor Jeb Bush's two adult children (son & daughter) have served.
Who knows if either of brother Jonathan J. Bush's two adult sons have served?
Republican chickenhawks in the U.S. Senate:
Old Senate Majority Leader Trent Lott : avoided the draft, did not serve.
New Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist: did not serve.
John Ashcroft: did not serve. Seven deferments, to teach business.
Saxby Chambliss: did not serve. "Bad knee" He defeated tripelegic Democratic war hero Max Cleland by questioning his patriotism!
Don Nickles: did not serve.
Mitch McConnell: did not serve.
Rick Santorum: did not serve.
Richard Shelby: did not serve.
Phil Gramm: did not serve.
Spencer Abraham: did not serve.
Jon Kyl: did not serve.
John Engler: did not serve.
Republican chickenhawks in the U.S. House :
Newt Gingrich -- sought graduate school deferment, (too smart to die).
Majority Leader Dick Armey - avoided the draft, did not serve.
Majority Leader Tom Delay - avoided the draft, did not serve.
Majority Leader John A. Boehner - did not serve.
Jack Kemp: did not serve. "Knee problem," although continued in NFL for 8 years.
G.O.P. Leader Roy Blunt: did not serve.
Bob Ney: did not serve.
David Dreier: did not serve.
Tim Hutchison: did not serve.
Christopher Cox: did not serve.
Dana Rohrabacher: did not serve.
John M. McHugh: did not serve.
JC Watts: did not serve.
Vin Weber: did not serve.
Bob Barr: did not serve.
Mark Souder: did not serve.
Walter Jones: did not serve.
Katherine Harris: did not serve. .
Republican chickenhawks in the Executive & Judicial branches:
Don Rumsfeld: served in Navy (1954-57) as flight instructor.
Kenneth Starr : sought deferment (for psoriasis).
Bill Bennett : sought graduate school deferment, (too smart to die).
Arnold Schwarzenegger: AWOL from Austrian army base.
Ted Olson, (Starr's assistand, and since Solictor General)
Karl Rove: did not serve.
Paul Wolfowitz: did not serve.
Richard Perle: did not serve.
Douglas Feith: did not serve.
Eliot Abrams: did not serve.
Ari Fleischer: did not serve.
Andrew Card: did not serve.
Ken Adelman: did not serve.
Don Evans: did not serve.
Michael Ledeen: did not serve.
Elliott Abrams: did not serve.
John Bolton: did not serve.
Rudy Giuliani: did not serve.
George Pataki: did not serve.
Kenneth Starr: did not serve.
Supreme Court :
John G. Roberts, Jr.: did not serve.
Samuel Alito: did not serve.
Antonin Scalia: did not serve.
Clarence Thomas: did not serve.
The LIBERAL John Paul Stevens is the only current justice who DID serve, (in the Navy during the 3 worst years of WW II).
Republican chickenhawk Mouthpieces :
Rush Limbaugh -- sought deferment (because of a cyst on his tail end).
George Will -- sought graduate school deferment, (too smart to die).
Pat Buchanan -- sought deferment (for bad knee).
Pat Robertson -- his US Senator father got him out of Korea as soon as the shooting began.
John Wayne -- sought deferment (to further acting career).
Sean Hannity: did not serve.
Bill O'Reilly: did not serve.
Chris Matthews: did not serve.
Matt Drudge: did not serve.
Steve Forbes: did not serve.
Tony Snow: did not serve.
Michael "Savage" Weiner: did not serve.
Brit Hume: did not serve.
Roger Ailes: did not serve.
Paul Gigot: did not serve.
Bill Kristol: did not serve.
Ralph Reed: did not serve.
Michael Medved: did not serve.
Charlie Daniels: did not serve.
Anne Coulter: did not serve.
Jerry Falwell: did not serve.
Alan Keyes : did not serve.
Ted Nugent: did not serve.
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For a great illustrated version of this list, check out
angelfire.com/ok5/pearly/htmls/gop-pansies.html
For a great shockwave version, check out
toostupidtobepresident.c om/shockwave/chickenhawks.htm
For "Chickenhawk Blues" song http://scroom.com/chickenhawkblues
For a great set of Playing Cards for only $14.95, check out
www.chickenhawkcards.com
DEMOCRATIC LEADERS
who "walked the walk" :
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
While most Democrats don't just say that war should be the last resort but truly believe it and try to resolve conflicts through more peaceful means, when just wars have been necessary and unavoidable, they have a long established record of putting their own lives and those of their own children on the line, rather than persuading other people to sacrifice themselves and their children:
Senator & Presidential Candidate McGovern, one of the elite few Air Force bomber pilots to fly the maximum 35 successful bombing missions in WW II. Stephen Ambrose, who wrote a book about him, called him "one of the greatest patriots I know."
Former Vice President Al Gore - enlisted August 1969; sent to Vietnam January 1971 as an army journalist, assigned to the 20th Engineer Brigade headquartered at Bien Hoa, an airbase twenty miles northeast of Saigon.
Senator John Kerry, Lt., U.S. Navy 1966-70; Silver Star, Bronze Star with Combat V, and three awards of the Purple Heart for his service in combat.
Gov. & President Jimmy Carter: Lt. Commander in the Navy 1946-53.
Gov. & presidential candidate, Michael Dukakis: Army 1955-57.
Sen. John Glenn: WWII and Korea; six DFCs; Air Medal w/18 Clusters.
Gov. & U.S. Sen. Chuck Robb: U.S. Marine Corps, 1961-70, Vietnam.
Senator Daniel Inouye, US Army 1943-'47; Medal of Honor, World War Two.
Senator Ted Kennedy (D-MA) - U.S. Army, 1951-1953.
Senator Tom Harkin (D-IA) - Lt., U.S. Navy, 1962-67; Naval Reserve, 1968-74.
Senator Jack Reed (D-RI) - U.S. Army Ranger, 1971-1979; Captain, Army Reserve 1979-91.
Senator Fritz Hollings (D-SC) - served as a U.S. Army officer in World War II, receiving the Bronze Star and seven campaign ribbons.
Senate Minority Leader Tom Daschle - 1st Lt., U.S. Air Force SAC 1969-72.
Former Senator Bob Kerrey... Democrat... Lt. j.g., U.S. Navy 1966-69; Medal of Honor, Vietnam
Former Senator Max Cleland, Captain, U.S. Army 1965-68; Silver Star & Bronze Star, Vietnam.
Sen. Howell Heflin: Silver star.
Representative Richard Gephardt, former House Minority Leader - Missouri Air National Guard, 1965-71..
Representative David Bonior - Staff Sgt., United States Air Force 1968-72.
Representative Charles Rangel, Staff Sgt., U.S. Army 1948-52; Bronze Star, Korea.
Representative Jack Murtha (D-PA) - distinguished 37-year career in the U.S. Marine Corps, Bronze Star and two Purple Hearts, retired from the Marine Corps Reserve as a colonel in 1990.
Representative Leonard Boswell (D-IA) - Lt. Col., U.S. Army 1956-76; two tours in Vietnam, two Distinguished Flying Crosses as a helicopter pilot, two Bronze Stars, and the Soldier's Medal.
Former Representative "Pete" Peterson, Air Force Captain, POW, Ambassador to Viet Nam, and recipient of the Purple Heart, the Silver Star and the Legion of Merit.
Rep. Mike Thompson, D-CA: Staff sergeant/platoon leader with the 173rd Airborne Brigade, U.S. Army; was wounded and received a Purple Heart.
Pete Stark, D-CA, served in the Air Force 1955-57.
Tom Lantos: Served in Hungarian underground in WWII.
Jim McDermott: Navy.
Gray Davis, California Governor, Army Captain in Vietnam; received Bronze Star.
Bill McBride, Democratic Candidate for Florida Governor - volunteered and served as a U.S. Marine in Vietnam; awarded Bronze Star with a combat "V."
Gen. Wesley Clark, Democratic Presidential Candidate - lengthy military career.
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One of the most consistent supporters among prominent Democrats of G.W. Bush, when it comes to his war in Iraq, is Senator Joe Lieberman of Connecticut. Joe never served in the military, which may be why he has been one of the Democratic Party's most enthusiastic chickenhawks, and why he was a prime candidate to become Bush's Secretary of Defense, if and when Rumsfeld could be forced to resign.
Great post. One thing......you missed, Rush "opium" Limbaugh who missed the Vietnam war due to a pimple on his ass.
This list clearly shows who the talkers are......vs..... who are willing to FIGHT for their country.
Vinny.....don't waste your time talking to guys like MM69.....this moron says the U.S. won the Vietnam war. ( Koolaid drinking, delusional putz.)
Most of us Ignore/Mute MM69.........because his face is usually stuck to Rush "opium" Limbaugh, as well as Bill "phone sex" O'Reilly's ASS. :-* (Neither served.)
Just ignore him..........he's worthless.....besides, he calls himself "MilitaryMuscle" yet he's an Air Force guy who saw NO ACTION in the Iraq theater. Unlike myself.
MM69= All talk.............NO WALK. Typical GOPer ChickenHawk, in my book. He only deserves to be IGNORED......due to his blind IGNORANCE.
BTW Vinny, Mr Intenseone is another Rush / O'Reilly ass kissing, ChickenHawk suckup, who should be treated like the CHICKENHAWK he is.
Hope this helps.
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I love how you pointed out all of the Bush family that did not serve but forgot to mention the military accomplishments of George H. W. Bush.
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I love how you pointed out all of the Bush family that did not serve but forgot to mention the military accomplishments of George H. W. Bush.
OKMike......how many Tours in Iraq did you do for your country??
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poppa bush was a war hero !
his sons on the other had are cowards of the worse kind !
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poppa bush was a war hero !
his sons on the other had are cowards of the worse kind !
Vinny.....this board is full of Chickenhawks. I think it's time we borrow Dickless Cheney's 12 gauge and go hunting.
What do you think??? ;D
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Great post. One thing......you missed, Rush "opium" Limbaugh who missed the Vietnam war due to a pimple on his ass.
This list clearly shows who the talkers are......vs..... who are willing to FIGHT for their country.
Vinny.....don't waste your time talking to guys like MM69.....this moron says the U.S. won the Vietnam war. ( Koolaid drinking, delusional putz.)
Most of us Ignore/Mute MM69.........because his face is usually stuck to Rush "opium" Limbaugh, as well as Bill "phone sex" O'Reilly's ASS. :-* (Neither served.)
Just ignore him..........he's worthless.....besides, he calls himself "MilitaryMuscle" yet he's an Air Force guy who saw NO ACTION in the Iraq theater. Unlike myself.
MM69= All talk.............NO WALK. Typical GOPer ChickenHawk, in my book. He only deserves to be IGNORED......due to his blind IGNORANCE.
BTW Vinny, Mr Intenseone is another Rush / O'Reilly ass kissing, ChickenHawk suckup, who should be treated like the CHICKENHAWK he is.
Hope this helps.
I'm glad you think my 2 trips to Iraq don't count...and my stance on Vietnam is we ended up achieveing our goals, not sure how that equals total defeat
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Vinny.....this board is full of Chickenhawks. I think it's time we borrow Dickless Cheney's 12 gauge and go hunting.
What do you think??? ;D
Enigma...in case you haven't noticed lately...the military is a volunteer service. Stop demeening those who chose to love and defend this country. If you choose not too, knock yourself out, but stop with elitist you know better attitude. It is sickening.
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Enigma...in case you haven't noticed lately...the military is a volunteer service. Stop demeening those who chose to love and defend this country. If you choose not too, knock yourself out, but stop with elitist you know better attitude. It is sickening.
Clearly, you don't know my background. So I suggest you STFU.
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Clearly, you don't know my background. So I suggest you STFU.
here let me fill you in...went to Iraq (which I respect), saw some some bad things (which he thinks he is the only one to have see that stuff) then lost his head and got out because he couldn't take anymore
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Clearly, you don't know my background. So I suggest you STFU.
How could he not? You talk about it every day. You deserve major props for your combat service, but I also find the constant attempt to demean others based on their lack of service irritating.
You don't have to use your service as some sort of weapon. Lots of people on here, including me, respect and appreciate what you've done for your country.
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How could he not? You talk about it every day. You deserve major props for your combat service, but I also find the constant attempt to demean others based on their lack of service irritating.
You don't have to use your service as some sort of weapon. Lots of people on here, including me, respect and appreciate what you've done for your country.
he doesn't only bash those that haven't served, he bashes those that were there beside him because our opinion of what was going on is different...
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he doesn't only bash those that haven't served, he bashes those that were there beside him because our opinion of what was going on is different...
True. He attacked you because you served in the Air Force and wgtlifter because he served in the Navy. I don't make any distinctions. I think all three of you made an equal sacrifice in service to your country. Kudos to all of you.
Edit: And Headhunter too.
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Great post. One thing......you missed, Rush "opium" Limbaugh who missed the Vietnam war due to a pimple on his ass.
This list clearly shows who the talkers are......vs..... who are willing to FIGHT for their country.
Vinny.....don't waste your time talking to guys like MM69.....this moron says the U.S. won the Vietnam war. ( Koolaid drinking, delusional putz.)
Most of us Ignore/Mute MM69.........because his face is usually stuck to Rush "opium" Limbaugh, as well as Bill "phone sex" O'Reilly's ASS. :-* (Neither served.)
Just ignore him..........he's worthless.....besides, he calls himself "MilitaryMuscle" yet he's an Air Force guy who saw NO ACTION in the Iraq theater. Unlike myself.
MM69= All talk.............NO WALK. Typical GOPer ChickenHawk, in my book. He only deserves to be IGNORED......due to his blind IGNORANCE.
BTW Vinny, Mr Intenseone is another Rush / O'Reilly ass kissing, ChickenHawk suckup, who should be treated like the CHICKENHAWK he is.
Hope this helps.
You think just because someone served that nakes them an "expert" on the war, I thought Doctors were smarter than that?
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True. He attacked you because you served in the Air Force and wgtlifter because he served in the Navy. I don't make any distinctions. I think all three of you made an equal sacrifice in service to your country. Kudos to all of you.
Edit: And Headhunter too.
well he doesn't even try to hear our experience in Iraq, everyone assumes that the navy sit out in the gulf, but forget about SEABEES and corpsmen. Same with the Air Force, they assume we just sit behind the wall but forget about RED HORSE, EOD and others that are on the outside on a daily basis.
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SERVING DOES NOT MAKE YOU AN EXPERT ! BUT DODGING THE DRAFT MEANS YOU SHOULD SHUT THE FUCK UP AND NEVER BE IN CHARGE OF OUR MILITARY ! AND THAT FAT FUCKING DRUG USER RUSH SHOULD REALLY SHUT THE FUCK UP !
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SERVING DOES NOT MAKE YOU AN EXPERT ! BUT DODGING THE DRAFT MEANS YOU SHOULD SHUT THE FUCK UP AND NEVER BE IN CHARGE OF OUR MILITARY ! AND THAT FAT FUCKING DRUG USER RUSH SHOULD REALLY SHUT THE FUCK UP !
Clinton? Hmmm.....
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ALL MEMBERS OF THE ARMED FORCES SHARE IN THE WORK !
ANYONE WHO TRIES TO DEMEAN THE OTHER IS A MORON !
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CLINTON AND BUSH ! SAME SHIT DIFFERENT TYPE OF COWARD ::)
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SEE THE POINT IS AMERICAS LEADERS ARE FOR THE MOST PART COWARDS !
REAL MEN DONT SEEM TO GET INTO POLITICS ANY MORE
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CLINTON AND BUSH ! SAME SHIT DIFFERENT TYPE OF COWARD ::)
No not the same difference..........at least Bush was apart of the military no matter how you want to classify him, Clinton.......well :-\.
Another............One "coward", Clinton, didn't do anything (basically ran) when we were attacked on his watch while the other faced it head on and is trying to do something against it!
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at least Bush was apart of the military no matter how you want to classify him,
LET SEE I WOULD CLASSIFY HIM A DADDIES BOY !
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SEE THE POINT IS AMERICAS LEADERS ARE FOR THE MOST PART COWARDS !
REAL MEN DONT SEEM TO GET INTO POLITICS ANY MORE
people think that EVERY military member gets deployed during a war. Currently only 50% of the military force has actually see time in Iraq/Afghan. So are those people that havent' gone classified as cowards? Bush was just one of many that were in the military during Vietnam that didn't actually do time in vietnam
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LOL STUPID POST ! ALL MEMBERS OF THE ACTIVE DUTY MILITARY CAN BE CALLED !
BUT IF YOU DODGE A DRAFT OR LET DADDY GET YOU OUT OF HARMS WAY THAT MAKES YOU A COWARD !
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Bush is a coward. I am the one who took his place in Vietnam, so I should know.
Corporate media have convinced the masses of a fictitious warrior Bush, who is a hero. This has been effective, as a neighbor recently told me that “If Gore had been elected, he wouldn’t have had the guts to attack Iraq.” My heart sank when I heard that, as I cannot fathom how it “takes guts” to order bombs to be dropped on children. Only cowards can do such things. Cowards who desert from war themselves while insisting that the working class bleed and die for the excesses of their national security state.
I have marched for peace many times with friends who are war veterans, and others who are long veterans of the peace movement. I opposed all of the Bush wars – the invasion of Panama, Afghanistan, the various Iraqi Wars. I opposed Daddy Bush’s arming Saddam and protecting him politically for so long. Daddy Bush was the pilot who bailed out on his crew, leaving them to crash and die in WW2. Cowardice runs deep in the Bush family.
During the Vietnam War, when Bush deserted from the Texas National Guard, the National Security State found itself to be one short on cannon fodder, so they sent me. A member of the peasant class, I was expendable. Bush loved the war up to the point of actually risking his own “investment class” ass, to employ a favorite term of his father. He supported the war mind you – has always enjoyed killing, setting the all-time execution record for governors, though brother Jeb has competed well in Florida.
I was at Fort Meade, Maryland for three months prior to being sent to Vietnam. My military bosses assured me they had friends in the Pentagon who could keep me from going to war. A lieutenant was dispatched to the Pentagon with a full-time job of wandering the halls in pursuit of this. The friends proved to be less powerful than believed, and I became an advisor to combat units for US Army Vietnam and Military Assistance Command, traveling all over the country to daily witness the hatred, greed and delusion of war, the lowest activity of my species.
I was an ignorant kid who knew nothing about what was happening. Nothing in my life had prepared me for understanding. My working class father voted Republican, because Eisenhower was a Republican and like him, a World War Two vet. I didn’t even know there was a peace movement, as I was sent before it surged, in 1966. The Stars and Stripes newspaper in Vietnam was so full of propaganda that by comparison the Wall Street Journal is objective on national security matters. I didn’t know that the South Vietnam government was a corrupt cesspool hated by its people and forced down their throats by old fashioned imperialism. Most of us went in order to avoid prison (we also had the choice of suicide, taken by more than 60,000 vets of that war since).
My heroes are those who oppose war, which is the only sane approach to it. Those who stand up to the warmongers have suffered greatly, often beaten and jailed, and sometimes murdered for that position. Martin Luther King, Jr. appeared to know where it would get him when he said “I may not get there with you.” He had called the United States “the greatest purveyor of violence in the world today” not long before the bullet tore into his flesh. But the cowardly Bush can’t get enough of war.
I have been under fire for days at a time, with such fear beyond fear that it really requires a new word. Those who order wars never see the bleeding or hear the screams. I have seen rivers of blood and have given thanks for the insane roar of battle when it hid the screams of my comrades, to keep me from going entirely mad. But Bush can order a war casually, just before his golf game.
In a nightmare I faced Bush and said “You cowardly son of a bitch, I took your place in Vietnam.” I could see in his glazed, alcoholic eyes the denial which kept him from understanding. His handlers convinced him that if he put on a flight jacket and flew to an aircraft carrier, he must be a hero (even if it cost $800,000 as it underscored the hypocrisy of his “fiscal conservative” claim, habitually unnoticed by corporate media as the national debt soars).
On 9/11, when the nation needed leadership, Bush hid at an Air Force Base. The most protected person on the planet went into hiding, not because he was in danger, but because he is a coward. I cannot imagine another president who would have hid like that. Even the spineless Nixon would have seen it is the job of a president to go to the White House and assure the masses that everything is under control.
The Democrats seem unable to locate an issue with which to oppose Bush, most having voted for everything he’s requested to date. May I suggest the truth? The single image Bush has promoted is flag-waving hero of the Republic. The evidence proves he is a coward.
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LOL STUPID POST ! ALL MEMBERS OF THE ACTIVE DUTY MILITARY CAN BE CALLED !
BUT IF YOU DODGE A DRAFT OR LET DADDY GET YOU OUT OF HARMS WAY THAT MAKES YOU A COWARD !
no shit we can all be called dummy. But not all are called...and you have no proof that Bush had strings pulled to get him out of Vietnam, and your little story isn't proof. This guy doesn't know for sure if he took Bush'e slot, he assumes so...so try again.
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at least Bush was apart of the military no matter how you want to classify him,
LET SEE I WOULD CLASSIFY HIM A DADDIES BOY !
Judging by your posts, I'd say your about 14!
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Judging by your posts, I'd say your about 14!
I'm on your team Mr. I, but those comebacks are always weak...
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Clearly, you don't know my background. So I suggest you STFU.
Clearly, you are smarter than everyone else, so you must be right...right? What the fuck do you know about my background? Asshat.
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Vinny........don't waste your time with "Opium" Limbaugh's parrot's......MrLimbaughone and MM69.
Let them enjoy a nice hot Limbaugh cum bath together.
They seem to flirt with each other.......maybe we should leave them.....to be alone. :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-*
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Vinny........don't waste your time with "Opium" Limbaugh's parrot's......MrLimbaughone and MM69.
Let them enjoy a nice hot Limbaugh cum bath together.
They seem to flirt with each other.......maybe we should leave them.....to be alone. :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-*
what would make you think I like Limbaugh? another baseless personal attack from Enigma
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Vinny........don't waste your time with "Opium" Limbaugh's parrot's......MrLimbaughone and MM69.
Let them enjoy a nice hot Limbaugh cum bath together.
They seem to flirt with each other.......maybe we should leave them.....to be alone. :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-*
When did you enlist?
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When did you enlist?
My guess is he did his stint to get his medical school paid for. People like that don't really want to be in the military, they want free schooling....
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When did you enlist?
Enigma, please answer the above.
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Limbaugh IS A CLOSET HOMOSEXUAL FOR SURE :-*
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When did you enlist?
Mr, LimbaughOne..........Ign orance is ignored.
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Limbaugh IS A CLOSET HOMOSEXUAL FOR SURE :-*
Limbaugh has long been known as a closet fag. He marries for a period for cover......then divorces. Never any children, why? Rush would have to consumate he marriage and FAGS hate pussy.
His 2nd wife Marta didn't even live in the same Palm Beach house as Rush "drug addict" Limbaugh.
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Limbaugh IS A CLOSET HOMOSEXUAL FOR SURE :-*
Everytime I see Mr LimbaughOne.......I think of a fat ignorant fag, not unlike LimbaughOne's obsession with the fat, deaf, bald, confessed drug addict/felon on the radio.
Hope this helps.
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Limbaugh has long been known as a closet fag. He marries for a period for cover......then divorces. Never any children, why? Rush would have to consumate he marriage and FAGS hate pussy.
His 2nd wife Marta didn't even live in the same Palm Beach house as Rush "drug addict" Limbaugh.
Well, in fairness to Limbaugh, it is now well know he has a wee bit of a problem with erectile dysfunction. :-X
It's hard to consumate a marriage let alone sire offspring when the plumbing isn't quite right. :-\
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Well, in fairness to Limbaugh, it is now well know he has a wee bit of a problem with erectile dysfunction. :-X
It's hard to consumate a marriage let alone sire offspring when the plumbing isn't quite right. :-\
All "straight" men have E.D. when with women.
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All "straight" men have E.D. when with women.
Well, I've personally never met one who did, ...or if he did, ...I cured him. :P
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Everytime I see Mr LimbaughOne.......I think of a fat ignorant fag, not unlike LimbaughOne's obsession with the fat, deaf, bald, confessed drug addict/felon on the radio.
Hope this helps.
So, Jag, are you going to report Enigma's repeated use of the word "fag"? ::)
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Everytime I see Mr LimbaughOne.......I think of a fat ignorant fag, not unlike LimbaughOne's obsession with the fat, deaf, bald, confessed drug addict/felon on the radio.
Hope this helps.
Out of all seriousness, I'm having a REAL hard time believing your a Doctor, beit in the Military or not, you use of words and the context you put them in makes me believe you're full of shit.
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Out of all seriousness, I'm having a REAL hard time believing your a Doctor, beit in the Military or not, you use of words and the context you put them in makes me believe you're full of shit.
Mr. LimbaughOne,
Honestly, your nothing but a mouth piece for a confessed Opium abuser/felon.
How much time did you spent in Iraq, to gain all this knowledge? BTW, Rush "felon" Limbaugh's 12-3 pm radio show, doesn't count as time in Iraq.
Your an ignorant fool.
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How could he not? You talk about it every day. You deserve major props for your combat service, but I also find the constant attempt to demean others based on their lack of service irritating.
You don't have to use your service as some sort of weapon.
mm69 continually throws it in peoples' faces that he thinks he is "better" than them because he served.
"you can't be a citizen unless you serve" is a nice example. Does he advocate revoking US citizenship for people who enter the priesthood of medical school at age 18 instead of serving? Is he unaware of the fact that if 100 million willing and able people joined the military tomorrow, there'd be no place for them, and the US economy at home would collapse, and poverty would be rampant as many incomes dropped?
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This who's dick is bigger shit between enigma and mm has got to stop..sorry doc but AF guys do a shit ton of work. I had 15 of them under me in Afghanistan and they saw plenty of action. AF and navy guys are pulling duty most did not sign up for or don';t have the training for..the days of finger pointing and saying who's service is bigger and tougher and better all went away on 911.U gotta get over it. I'm sorry about Iraq and what u saw but I'll be going back for 3rds soon so bro..get over it and stop attacking mm69.
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This who's dick is bigger shit between enigma and mm has got to stop..sorry doc but AF guys do a shit ton of work. I had 15 of them under me in Afghanistan and they saw plenty of action. AF and navy guys are pulling duty most did not sign up for or don';t have the training for..the days of finger pointing and saying who's service is bigger and tougher and better all went away on 911.U gotta get over it. I'm sorry about Iraq and what u saw but I'll be going back for 3rds soon so bro..get over it and stop attacking mm69.
I respect A.F. men, as I do ALL our guys in the military. The problem with MM is he's trying to us what's happening on the ground in Iraq. One HUGE problem, MM was never on the ground......so where does his expertise come from??
Answer: Mr. Limbaughone and Rush "drug felon" Limbaugh.
Two guys who never spent a MILISECOND in a war zone.
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No not the same difference..........at least Bush was apart of the military no matter how you want to classify him, Clinton.......well :-\.
Another............One "coward", Clinton, didn't do anything (basically ran) when we were attacked on his watch while the other faced it head on and is trying to do something against it!
You're excusing Bush but condemning Clinton who was a Rhodes Scholar studying at Oxford?
Bwahhhahhhaaaaaa, you couldn't be more pathetic.
They both dodged Vietnam but at least Clinton was at Oxford. You do realize don't you that being a Rhodes Scholar is rather impressive?
Who am I kidding, of course you don't, you're Mr. Hate.
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Mr, LimbaughOne..........Ign orance is ignored.
Like I said, I think you're full of shit.
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Like I said, I think you're full of shit.
Mr. Limbaughone,
Sounds like you need a script of Oxycontin to calm down.
Why not call your buddy Rush "Oxycontin" Limbaugh and get a quick fix?
Be aware, chronic use of Opium leads to hearing loss.
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Doc,
To me he doesn't seem to be commenting so much on the day to day as to policy..he believes in what we're doing. I don't know where he was but I'm assuming Balad, I'm sure he has some idea as to whats going on. I have not been there since 03 and as such i try not to comment to much on what happens there now. I didn't face IED's in Iraq. I got to see a bit of that in Afghanistan, but that war is different. Far from me to tell u guys to relax but...dammit relax. :P
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So, Jag, are you going to report Enigma's repeated use of the word "fag"? ::)
Has he broken any forum rules?
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I respect A.F. men, as I do ALL our guys in the military. The problem with MM is he's trying to us what's happening on the ground in Iraq. One HUGE problem, MM was never on the ground......so where does his expertise come from??
Answer: Mr. Limbaughone and Rush "drug felon" Limbaugh.
Two guys who never spent a MILISECOND in a war zone.
never on the ground? thanks for reading about my experiences....fool
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mm69 continually throws it in peoples' faces that he thinks he is "better" than them because he served.
"you can't be a citizen unless you serve" is a nice example. Does he advocate revoking US citizenship for people who enter the priesthood of medical school at age 18 instead of serving? Is he unaware of the fact that if 100 million willing and able people joined the military tomorrow, there'd be no place for them, and the US economy at home would collapse, and poverty would be rampant as many incomes dropped?
yeah because there are 100,000 people lined up trying to get in the military...no people like you don't give it a thought because you know you can enjoy the freedom while letting someone else secure it for you..
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Has he broken any forum rules?
Like that has stopped you before? You're comfortable with this kind of description of homosexuals?
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Like that has stopped you before? You're comfortable with this kind of description of homosexuals?
No i'm not comfortable with it, ...but considering YOU are a mod, and YOU are the one who observed it and brought it to my attention, I would have thought YOU would have acted appropriately... you are afterall the mod. Why bring it to my attention? Do your job where it is required.
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No i'm not comfortable with it, ...but considering YOU are a mod, and YOU are the one who observed it and brought it to my attention, I would have thought YOU would have acted appropriately... you are afterall the mod. Why bring it to my attention? Do your job where it is required.
"Has he broken any forum rules"?
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"Has he broken any forum rules"?
If you have to ask me... perhaps it's time for you to hang up your green stars? :-\
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Like I said, I think you're full of shit.
Just wondering, how does it feel to kneel and bow before a Junkie and a Felon?
It's possible you and Rush have much in common. :-*