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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: tweeter on April 17, 2007, 06:08:04 PM
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Decent idea but not for me.
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WOW and this is the condensed version you say?
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If you would like more information regarding my involvement with the principles, send me a PM.
You could start by translating the above paragraph that no one is going to read into before and after pictures of Jezebelle.
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1. I am no longer participating in the case studies.
2. I am now dieting using a somewhat modified version of The Adonis Principles. I still primarily eat what I like but try to get in more protein, eat between 2,000 and 2,500 calories, and do some cardio.
3. I never received the formula from TA and do not feel that it is really necessary anyway; I can use the mirror and scale just fine.
4. To my knowledge, all the other case studies have ended so I don't really see a need to drag this on and post everything I eat everyday; no on cares.
5. I appreciate TA and all his help; I believe he has many valid points and is an asset to this board.
Good for you man. I doubt there was any formula to it. TA is misleading in the way that he wants you to need him. You are better off going on your own and making mistakes on your own. (that is when you learn)
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:D
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The principles are average at best. They will never bring perfection, especially for naturals and competitors.
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:D
Are you under 500 lbs yet ?
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Can one cut on lard and ketchup? What about cookies and mountain dew?
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TA never sent you a formula because he himself doesn't have one. He's full of shit.
He is busy doing research, that's why he doesn't stay in touch with you via PM's or otherwise? Yeah, you believe that I have a bridge to sell you!!! If you are his research "guinea pig," then you should be in constant contact with him. PM's, phone, texting, whatever. This is of benefit to him as well as you. He should make sure you are staying on your diet and not cheating as to give his "principles" more credit. You should be getting the info from him, this so-called formula and whatever information that you being his subject SHOULD be privy to.
He took you hook line and sinker. But, at least you lost weight and got benefit from the project in some way.
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Can one cut on lard and ketchup? What about cookies and mountain dew?
cookies and diet mountain dew..probably
i am not sure of the nutrional value of lard and ketchup
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1. These are not "case studies"
2. He's not doing "research"
3. They're not principles any more than Weider's are principles
4. If it really worked, you'd still be using it (assuming you're not just another TA account anyways)
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Hey guys, I just wanted to give everyone an update regarding my case study using The Adonis Principles and to let you know that I have decided to terminate my involvement. That being said, I have had great results following TA's guidelines and appreciate his willingness to help me and others. When TA first began all of these case studies in January, there seemed to be a great deal of uncertainty regarding the principles and what they were really all about. Now, it seems that the topic has been beaten to death and no one really cares anymore. Therefore, I do not think there is any reason for me to continue posting every item that I eat everday and what all my workouts are; no one really cares. Also, I have had a difficult time communicating with TA through pm's and never recieved the formula. Originally, I was suppose to eat 1,800 calories for 1 month in order to get the constant...that turned into 15 pounds of weight loss which turned into 2 months which turned into 20 pounds of weight loss. I do believe that TA has this formula but I really don't have the time to wait around on him, and feel that 1,800 calories is a little low to remain on for that peroid of time. I do understand that TA is very busy doing research and likely does not have much time available to constantly be reading pm's, so there are no hard feelings. To my knowledge, all of the other case studies have ended also, so I can see why it might not be on the front of his mind. I am currently still dieting but I have increased my calories to the 2,000 - 2,500 range, began to eat more protein and non-processed foods, and incorporated cardio into my workouts. That being said, I feel that TA has many great ideas and that he has had a very positive influence on this board and many members on the various boards that he posts on. He has changed the way I view dieting, and I will never diet or approach nutrition the same as I did before coming across TA's ideas. He has taught us to question traditional bodybuilding practices and look at the science behind them instead of merely accepting them at face value; this approach is always a beneficial one to take in all avenues of life. While I do feel that most of his ideas regarding nutrition are correct, I believe he does tend to take it a little too far in some situations (ex: I don't think he should necessarily say that trans-fats being unhealthy is a myth; I realize that there is opposing evidence, but the majority of medical professionals would agree that it is harmful). I am glad that I followed the principles as it has motivated me to lose weight and shown me a new approach to dieting. I, however, do not feel that I really need the formula all that much as I can gauge my progress by the scale and mirror and really do not have much of a practical need to know how to achieve an exact bodyfat percentage by a certain date. In conclusion, I would encourage others to give TA's ideas a chance and realize that you don't necessarily have to agree with everything he says or even like the guy; just realize that he does have many valid points and that there are things you can apply to your own approach to bodybuilding. I, along with many others I'm sure, are very appreciate of TA's presence on the board and his somewhat unique approach to bodybuilding. That is all.
Did anyone else catch that one? HAHAHAH ;D
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Tweeter, 1800 calories is good for dieting. No one ever said you have to eat that much year round. Only if you want to lose fat quickly.
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Tweeter, 1800 calories is good for dieting. No one ever said you have to eat that much year round. Only if you want to lose fat quickly.
Do you believe Adonis has a formula, Bast?
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aka-----------------------TA used u in some coventional "gypsy" con-------------------give u a little info-----so get a little results-all the while promising u more and more--------------------------yet when you finally needed something beyond what normal or for that matter any idiot reading the back of the nutritional guidelines on a back of soup could gleam he runs and is nowhere to be found--------------or as you say "doing research"
you got played and used and exploited in his little internet manipulation "Joke"----------
lesson-----------------------u could have learned more and had better results had u read the nutritional section of some recycled Flex magazine
or u could have listened to the real people on here who would have given u sound and real advice and you would be 90% farther in your BBIng progress
Adonis is laughing at you right now :'(-------------------and so are a lot of other people ;D
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Do you believe Adonis has a formula, Bast?
Yea, but the issue is if it's accurate not if he has one. I don't know it entirely.
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Tweeter, 1800 calories is good for dieting. No one ever said you have to eat that much year round. Only if you want to lose fat quickly.
yeah and if u want to lose muscle quickly too--- :-\
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Too bad apenis didn't help you t'il the end, now how can someone take this guy seriously, he's yapping around about his principle and doesn't back it up!!!
hell, you could get better advices from old timer here! .............. and better results!
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To my knowledge, all of the other case studies have ended also, so I can see why it might not be on the front of his mind.
pahahahaha!
dear adonis,
way to go dumbass, everyone's abandoning your shitty methods and no one looked much better.
sincerely,
everyone
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pahahahaha!
dear adonis,
way to go dumbass, everyone's abandoning your shitty methods and no one looked much better.
sincerely,
everyone
like ur signature says Magoo--------------------"thanks for playing"
Bye bye Adonis---------------ur 15mins is up-----------------now go and get a degree in Exercise Science and Nutrition and then maybe you can hand out some advice ;D
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Oatmeal raisin cookies and sprite = great bbing food according to adonis.
Hey adonis experts.. Can I cut on cardboard and vodka?
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pahahahaha!
dear adonis,
way to go dumbass, everyone's abandoning your shitty methods and no one looked much better.
sincerely,
everyone
Come back and talk when you're not 80lbs overweight. Then you'll have some credibility on diet.
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please people, please, wait until you hear from The True Adonis before you make any decision on the efficacy of his program.
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You guys just can't stand people who don't think like you do (like sheep) can you?
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please people, please, wait until you hear from The True Adonis before you make any decision on the efficacy of his program.
Will he advise me on my vodka and cardboard diet? A calorie is a calorie, right?
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Will he advise me on my vodka and cardboard diet? A calorie is a calorie, right?
vodka is fine to diet on along with food with nutrients. cardboard doesn't have calories.
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You guys just can't stand people who don't think like you do (like sheep) can you?
Hey, if honey mustard and beer help me gain muscle and stay lean then I'm in support of Adonis and his principles.
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You guys just can't stand people who don't think like you do (like sheep) can you?
well yeah when they're 160lbs looking like a auschwtch victim and acting like a BBing guru then no I can't
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Hey, if honey mustard and beer help me gain muscle and stay lean then I'm in support of Adonis and his principles.
So you've never seen a bodybuilder drink alcohol while dieting for a competition and still come in ripped?
I've seen competitors go to bars and have a few drinks on weekends and still manage to get ripped. You seem to claim that is impossible.
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well yeah when they're 160lbs looking like a auschwtch victim and acting like a BBing guru then no I can't
what does your stomach measure around? Are you even lean?
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what does your stomach measure around? Are you even lean?
hahaha---------------------------ive been 5-6% before----------------but if like your friend Adonis your scouring for half naked pics of random dudes your out of luck
and I also have a degree in Exercise Science ;)
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and I also have a degree in Exercise Science ;)
wow you must be really smart ::)
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wow you must be really smart ::)
the true intellectuals of Getbig are having a discussion----------------------sit back and admire if ur are able
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=142453.0
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the true intellectuals of Getbig are having a discussion----------------------sit back and admire if ur are able
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=142453.0
do you have a degree in bowling too?
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wow you must be really smart ::)
hey smart enough to not ride some anyomous dudes jock on some random internet website ;D
do u think about Adonis before u go to sleep and when u wake up in the morning----------
ur f*cking creepy brodo you have a degree in bowling too?
do I really need to comment on this piece of literary genius ::)
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You guys just can't stand people who don't think like you do (like sheep) can you?
Adonis promises effortless ("too easy!") results, and implies that if you feel any degree of suffering whatsoever on your way to sub-6% bodyfat levels, that you are either doing something wrong, or there is something wrong with YOU. This is fundamentally misleading.
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Adonis promises effortless ("too easy!") results, and implies that if you feel any degree of suffering whatsoever on your way to sub-6% bodyfat levels, that you are either doing something wrong, or there is something wrong with YOU. This is fundamentally misleading.
adonis promises effortless results based on an undefined formula and self-contradictory principles, all of which are designed so he can get random men on the internet to send him half-naked pictures of themselves so he can "evaluate" them and "advise" them. simple as that.
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Adonis promises effortless ("too easy!") results, and implies that if you feel any degree of suffering whatsoever on your way to sub-6% bodyfat levels, that you are either doing something wrong, or there is something wrong with YOU. This is fundamentally misleading.
'easy' is relative.
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adonis promises effortless results based on an undefined formula and self-contradictory principles, all of which are designed so he can get random men on the internet to send him half-naked pictures of themselves so he can "evaluate" them and "advise" them. simple as that.
come on Magoo lets not destroy Bast's homoerotic sandcastle so soon--------------------it just seems malicious on our part ;D
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Adonis promises effortless ("too easy!") results, and implies that if you feel any degree of suffering whatsoever on your way to sub-6% bodyfat levels, that you are either doing something wrong, or there is something wrong with YOU. This is fundamentally misleading.
Well they do work. I dieted on the adonis principles and i know for a fact they work. Infact i dieted down 3 different ways but i did not find the adonis principles to be the best. They are a nice change by in my opinion by far not the best.
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Well they do work. I dieted on the adonis principles and i know for a fact they work. Infact i dieted down 3 different ways but i did not find the adonis principles to be the best. They are a nice change by in my opinion by far not the best.
what is the best method you tried in your opinion?
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come on Magoo lets not destroy Bast's homoerotic sandcastle so soon--------------------it just seems malicious on our part ;D
actually Magoo is a self admitted bisexual, maybe he'll ask you to meet him in person for sex, if you keep flirting with him.
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Well they do work. I dieted on the adonis principles and i know for a fact they work. Infact i dieted down 3 different ways but i did not find the adonis principles to be the best. They are a nice change by in my opinion by far not the best.
actually, you did say more than a few times that his method is the best. you also claimed you were out of shape til you found the adonix principles.
i tried it myself;didn't work for me. i'll stick to the old fashioned way.
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I have decided to terminate my involvement.
Smart move.
It was inevitable, of course.
I have had a difficult time communicating with TA through pm's and never recieved the formula.
No surprise there. "Formula"... ::)
I do understand that TA is very busy doing research
Wow :o He seriously has you snowed... "research"... ::) ::) ::) Adam's idea of "higher education" is the tenth grade. I wonder what research they let him participate in at his job as assistant manager at McDonald's??
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actually, you did say more than a few times that his method is the best. you also claimed you were out of shape til you found the adonix principles.
i tried it myself;didn't work for me. i'll stick to the old fashioned way.
you didn't lose fat eating less calories than you expended? How did you manage to bypass the laws of physics, Power Rod?
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Also, I have had a difficult time communicating with TA through pm's and never recieved the formula. .
You didn't recieve the formula because there was no "formula". Hate to say I told you so.............but!
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You didn't recieve the formula because there was no "formula". Hate to say I told you so.............but!
You ate under 2000 calories to diet correct? Did you lose muscle?
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what is the best method you tried in your opinion?
I actually liked a high fat/ protien low carb diet because the water just drops off of you. I also didn't have any trouble with lifts or anything like that and you stay dry. The fats are also good at keeping your stomach full. I also think it is the quickest way to lose weight as i have seen it in action in people other then myself.
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Well they do work. I dieted on the adonis principles and i know for a fact they work. Infact i dieted down 3 different ways but i did not find the adonis principles to be the best. They are a nice change by in my opinion by far not the best.
wow...i just got respect for you, you told the truth
so whats the best method? just eat less..lol
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you didn't lose fat eating less calories than you expended? How did you manage to bypass the laws of physics, Power Rod?
no dipshit, that's not the point of contention. the argument is that everything we know about "bodybuilding" diets, from meal frequency to calorie ratios to nutrient sources, is all wrong. it's an argument between if you think eating two meals of pancakes with syrup and sausages to get 2300 calories per day or four meals of vegetables/chicken/oats/fish to get 2300 calories per day will yield the same effect on the body or not.
adonis says yes, every speck of evidence and every accredited nutritionist says no.
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I actually liked a high fat/ protien low carb diet because the water just drops off of you. I also didn't have any trouble with lifts or anything like that and you stay dry. The fats are also good at keeping your stomach full. I also think it is the quickest way to lose weight as i have seen it in action in people other then myself.
Well, the loss of water makes you appear leaner definitely. That doesn't mean you actually lost more fat with the low carb diet though.
You could diet with high carbs, lose the fat, then lower carbs for 2 weeks and be ripped and dry.
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wow...i just got respect for you, you told the truth
so whats the best method? just eat less..lol
In the end that is all that matters.
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no dipshit, that's not the point of contention. the argument is that everything we know about "bodybuilding" diets, from meal frequency to calorie ratios to nutrient sources, is all wrong. it's an argument between if you think eating two meals of pancakes with syrup and sausages to get 2300 calories per day or four meals of vegetables/chicken/oats/fish to get 2300 calories per day will yield the same effect on the body or not.
adonis says yes, every speck of evidence and every accredited nutritionist says no.
So do you think those Wendy's hamburgers you love and ate will permanently and negatively effect your body composition?
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Well, the loss of water makes you appear leaner definitely. That doesn't mean you actually lost more fat with the low carb diet though.
You could diet with high carbs, lose the fat, then lower carbs for 2 weeks and be ripped and dry.
Exactly... thats why i said weight hahaha. You will drop weight quicker on a keto type diet but it isnt neccesarily fat you are dropping. I like looking dry. I also do not believe in looking "flat". This simply doesn't exist. The good thing about that whole cut is i figured out how i am going to cut for my first show. I think this along with a combination of 3 gallons of water daily and i will come in very dry.
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Exactly... thats why i said weight hahaha. You will drop weight quicker on a keto type diet but it isnt neccesarily fat you are dropping. I like looking dry. I also do not believe in looking "flat". This simply doesn't exist. The good thing about that whole cut is i figured out how i am going to cut for my first show. I think this along with a combination of 3 gallons of water daily and i will come in very dry.
Yes, if you simply want to drop weight fast low carbs are they way to go. That's the main reason people think low carbs are necessary for fat loss. They are fooled by the water loss.
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no dipshit, that's not the point of contention. the argument is that everything we know about "bodybuilding" diets, from meal frequency to calorie ratios to nutrient sources, is all wrong. it's an argument between if you think eating two meals of pancakes with syrup and sausages to get 2300 calories per day or four meals of vegetables/chicken/oats/fish to get 2300 calories per day will yield the same effect on the body or not.
adonis says yes, every speck of evidence and every accredited nutritionist says no.
You do realize that there is very little vitamins in vegies right? You are better off taking pills.... Infact im sure they make pancake mix that have more vit's and minerals in it the 4 meals with vegies.
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Yes, if you simply want to drop weight fast low carbs are they way to go. That's the main reason people think low carbs are necessary for fat loss. They are fooled by the water loss.
Indeed. I know a guy who looks like shit his whole contest prep and the last 2 or 3 weeks he really picks up his cardio and drops his carbs to nothing and he manages to come in shape and look great everytime.
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So do you think those Wendy's hamburgers you love and ate will permanently and negatively effect your body composition?
permanently? no. negatively? just a bit, yes. however, i was aware of it at the time, and i discovered i respond better to a "dirty bulk" because getting 5000+ calories per day from clean sources is a) expensive, and b) difficult to stomach that much food since it's not very calorie-dense.
on the flip side, trying to diet with calorie dense fast food would be absolute hell. the tiny amounts necessary would always leave you starving, and your blood sugar levels would be all over the place. i may not enjoy the foods i eat, but eating cleanly leaves me more energetic and keeps my mood elevated.
You do realize that there is very little vitamins in vegies right? You are better off taking pills.... Infact im sure they make pancake mix that have more vit's and minerals in it the 4 meals with vegies.
i do both, actually. but the vegetables leave me more satisfied than taking in the same number of calories from another source, even if it doesn't taste particularly good.
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vodka is fine to diet on along with food with nutrients. cardboard doesn't have calories.
Actually.....you may be wrong....I think the "Mythbusters" guys proved that wrong.....
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Did you lose muscle?
If you recall.....Adam says this is not possible!
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You do realize that there is very little vitamins in vegies right? You are better off taking pills.... Infact im sure they make pancake mix that have more vit's and minerals in it the 4 meals with vegies.
eh.....that's becuase you don't need a very great amount of vitamins. The key is to eat a variety of nutritent rich foods.
The problem with "pills" and fortified foods is that you can get TOO MUCH vitamins which is actually a bad thing.
You will lose weight with the adonis principles, but in the long run, it is very unhealthy.
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One other thing, I like to train with high volume which is very difficult with 1,800 calories a day. I feel that if I eat a little healthier and consume more calories, combined with cardio I can still lose weight and have more energy.
I'm happy you made this decision.
That's all really. No gloating or shit like that. Just good to see you were able to see everything for what it is.
I'm sure you'll get good results, you seem to know a fair amount already about nutrition, but there are always more to learn.
Keep at it.
Good luck.
-Hedge
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You do realize that there is very little vitamins in vegies right? You are better off taking pills.... Infact im sure they make pancake mix that have more vit's and minerals in it the 4 meals with vegies.
Not trying to put you down...
But actually, one of the reasons vegetables are recommended, are because of the moderate vitamin levels. If you eat a vitamin pill, it's easy to enrich vitamins in the body, some of the non-solulable vitamins, like Vit A, have a very bad effect on the health if in high levels for long periods of time.
Also, veggies contains 200-300 different kinds of traces.
That's why you should eat veggies and a mixed diet instead of a multi.
I stopped eating multi's two or three years ago, and started to pay more attention to a mixed diet. I would recommend it to anyone.
-Hedge
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I'm happy you made this decision.
That's all really. No gloating or shit like that. Just good to see you were able to see everything for what it is.
I'm sure you'll get good results, you seem to know a fair amount already about nutrition, but there are always more to learn.
Keep at it.
Good luck.
-Hedge
I totally agree. I've been following your progress Tweeter, and no matter what, you definitely dedicated yourself to it and you did well. The most important thing about all of the people who have tried TA's approach is that they have learned something.
Who knows what the hell TA is doing, but best of luck to you Tweeter.
:)
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there is nothing wrong with restricting your diet for a given period of time to lose weight
whether or not it is the most effecient method for bodybuilding is debatable. But for losing weight it is the recommended way to go.
For the life of me I don't understand why this is called the adonis principle?
doesn't every weight lost program advise this?
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You guys just can't stand people who don't think like you do (like sheep) can you?
oh, the irony of that post.
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1. I am no longer participating in the case studies.
2. I am now dieting using a somewhat modified version of The Adonis Principles. I still primarily eat what I like but try to get in more protein, eat between 2,000 and 2,500 calories, and do some cardio. I have also eliminated alot of the junk food and processed stuff.
3. I never received the formula from TA and do not feel that it is really necessary anyway; I can use the mirror and scale just fine. 4. To my knowledge, all the other case studies have ended so I don't really see a need to drag this on and post everything I eat everyday; no on cares.
5. I appreciate TA and all his help; I believe that while he goes a little overboard at times, he has many valid points and is an asset to this board.
Because there is NO FORMULA!
HOpe this helps.
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I believe the formula is what is suppose to separate it from other diets. Supposedly, by using it one can determine how they will look down to the exact minute.
Man the assumption that you actually believed him is actually more questionable than anything else in this thread. Nobody else on the whole board bought it like you claim to have. I think you were looking to be made a victim in more ways than you may realize, so just drop it. You're sure as hell not gonna get Adam to say he never had anything he really thought was novel with this thread, that much is certain...so just cut your losses and move on. Yes, people will tell you anything provided you let them. End of story.
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Tweeter who are these multiple other "subjects" that Adonis has been working with, and why did we never hear about them, as we did you? You act like you just take it as a given that he had all these other people working with him. Who were they? Got any names?
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I haven't heard from Adam since January...no formula. and I am doing more cardio now.
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I believe the formula is what is suppose to separate it from other diets. Supposedly, by using it one can determine how they will look down to the exact minute.
how can there be an exact formula?
the human digestive system is more complex than that, the peristalsis process take different times in different people. You
http://www.vivo.colostate.edu/hbooks/pathphys/digestion/basics/peristalsis.html
my girlfriend's sister eat alot more food than yet she is skinny as hell. I look at a slice of pizza and I gain two pounds
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the dieting/weight management business is a multi billion dollar business
there are tons of scams, fads and some valid things out there
NOT ONE PERSON HAS EVER CLAIMED TO HAVE A FORMULA such as Adonis..including people that have degrees in scientific area
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well since I'm doing cardio now, I guess my thread should close, because one of the "principles" is no cardio...and to be honest, I was getting zits like crazy from all the chocolate and other stuff.
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well since I'm doing cardio now, I guess my thread should close, because one of the "principles" is no cardio...and to be honest, I was getting zits like crazy from all the chocolate and other stuff.
no offense to you migzi cause you seem like you're trying hard and I respect that but this is a BB board and if someone is gonna tout a principle that'll get you shredded and is so "easy" taking a guy who's 400lbs doesn't really apply. Realistically any diet could work for you simply cause you have a bigger "plate" to work with. Now if TA could take someone who is lean to begin with and bring them down to 3% like he claims then that would be something. I understand that TA claims to be 3% but he's been dieting for over a year so he's more the exception to the rule IMO. Not everyone is gonna diet for over a year like that.
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no answer from TA.................. Where is TA ???
my guess is....... gimmick ........ not much news from him lately, maybe he's dead from giving bad advices... No, he's probably doing research........ yeah, right!
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1. I am no longer participating in the case studies.
2. I am now dieting using a somewhat modified version of The Adonis Principles. I still primarily eat what I like but try to get in more protein, eat between 2,000 and 2,500 calories, and do some cardio. I have also eliminated alot of the junk food and processed stuff.
3. I never received the formula from TA and do not feel that it is really necessary anyway; I can use the mirror and scale just fine.
4. To my knowledge, all the other case studies have ended so I don't really see a need to drag this on and post everything I eat everyday; no on cares.
5. I appreciate TA and all his help; I believe that while he goes a little overboard at times, he has many valid points and is an asset to this board.
#6. Adonis is an ugly fucking arsehole and is full of shit
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All gimmicks and fads essentially prey on the same thing. They prey on the lack of knowledge on a given subject by the majority of people.
Very few people have a firm understanding of nutrition, and even fewer have a very firm grasp on the finer aspects of the physiology of nutrition, especially in regards to "bodybuilding" nutrition.
That is all Adam did.
He took a minor understanding of a few nutritional concepts, thought he had a greater understanding, and ran with it.
People who don't have the background knowledge to understand where his ideas fall apart had no ability to decipher the difference between his false claims, and other's "true" claims.
Most people with a firm grasp of nutrition stay out of things like this, as they're doing better things with their time.
Some people with a decent grasp on nutrition did try to inform people how Adam was wrong. But, as I said before, if you don't understand the background physiology, there is essentially no ability to understand who is being truthful, and who isn't.
It's too bad that many people were scammed, and more will continue to be scammed.
But, that is how gimmicks and fads work.
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Adonis Priciples = All BS.
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I haven't really been on the boards all that much lately; anyone know why Adonis has quit posting?
He probably died from his unhealthy diet. ;D
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If you would like more information regarding my involvement with the principles, send me a PM.
The fact you took part in the principles........speaks volumes. ::) ::) ::)
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I haven't really been on the boards all that much lately; anyone know why Adonis has quit posting?
one would think you had an inside line to him. Didn't he give you a number or email?
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All gimmicks and fads essentially prey on the same thing. They prey on the lack of knowledge on a given subject by the majority of people.
Very few people have a firm understanding of nutrition, and even fewer have a very firm grasp on the finer aspects of the physiology of nutrition, especially in regards to "bodybuilding" nutrition.
That is all Adam did.
He took a minor understanding of a few nutritional concepts, thought he had a greater understanding, and ran with it.
People who don't have the background knowledge to understand where his ideas fall apart had no ability to decipher the difference between his false claims, and other's "true" claims.
Most people with a firm grasp of nutrition stay out of things like this, as they're doing better things with their time.
Some people with a decent grasp on nutrition did try to inform people how Adam was wrong. But, as I said before, if you don't understand the background physiology, there is essentially no ability to understand who is being truthful, and who isn't.
It's too bad that many people were scammed, and more will continue to be scammed.
But, that is how gimmicks and fads work.
you forgot to mention the amount of time spent on google.
also his superior copy/paste skill...that has to count for something
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I wanted to try it but when he told med to stay under 1800 kcal a day for a month I realised that there was nothing special about it and didn't bother. If you eat less than you burn you will lose weight, no shit. ???
lol.....his research produced a scientific method for losing weight: eat less, brilliant
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I haven't really been on the boards all that much lately; anyone know why Adonis has quit posting?
It's definitely not because he got a job.
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I haven't really been on the boards all that much lately; anyone know why Adonis has quit posting?
Cause he was called out so many times to prove something and he never could. Hopefully he "offed" himself. Anyone read anything
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On the vitamin pill vs. vitamins from food issue, there isn't a lot proven on this for either side (much less than what most people think). Vitamins often do great in test tubes but how well they do in human bodies is something else entirely. There really isn't much evidence out there supporting vitamin supplementation for adults. Part of the problem is that it is really difficult from a methodological standpoint to tease out whatever effect (good or bad) that vitamins give. You can't just put adults in a cage and randomly assign one group multivitamins and another a placebo while keeping everything else constant (caged up for years). The last major research article I heard about with multivitamins that had a large sample and was over several years in length and looked pretty sound methodologically was with women and had found that taking multivitamins had a significantly postive INCREASE in risk for some disease or another. Personally, I think multivitamins may have been one of the biggest scams ever perpetrated and the scammers don't even know it.
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you forgot to mention the amount of time spent on google.
also his superior copy/paste skill...that has to count for something
Further he says protein is not important and that a calorie is a calorie.. By his logic you could cut or gain with lard..
I dunno why he has so many nuthuggers on here as he already took an idea that had been in the books from the dawn of man. hahaha
When he first started posting here, he couldn't type a sentence without making it seem like giant run on.. These days he's trying to come off as someone with superior credentials, when he's nothing more than a copy/paste punkass with short arms and a big ego.
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There isn't much evidence out there supporting vitamin supplementation for adults. The last major research article I heard found that taking multivitamins had a significantly postive INCREASE in risk for some disease or another. Personally, I think multivitamins may have been one of the biggest scams ever perpetrated and the scammers don't even know it.
If your expecting to get your nutritional needs met with supermarket food.......good luck. Dangerous to women?........total garbage.
Our bodies depend on both vitamins and minerals to SURVIVE.
Completely omit them and you die.
The word vitamin comes from 2 words........Vital Amines.
I assume the word "vital" sounds "kinda" important huh?? ::)
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For Bast and others:
the reason it didn't work for me was that, even if you say it is, it wasn't practical.
If say I was to eat 1800 calories a day "eating anything I wanted", it would amount to one value meal at mcdonalds plus 200 calories. So it'd be one meal a day plus a quarter of a chicken breast. 1800 calories a day would be a lot better spent on say 6 chicken breasts (don't quote me on these, i'm just using them as an example) and 5 slices of bread or whatever it came down to.
On the adonis diet, i'd get maybe 40 grams of protein a day. With chicken breasts, i get over 200 without the trans fats. Hmm, seems like an obvious choice.
Now if we're to ignore the last 50 years of " bodybuilding science", which he seems to be doing, i wouldn't need more than 40 grams of protein a day. But that's kinda silly.
When I asked him about insulin release that comes with his eat anything diet, he never responded. I thought it was a pretty important point to clarify.
After speaking with a couple "bros in the know" about bodybuilding diets, here's what they had to say:
a. Adonis claimed he could get down to 4 percent bodyfat over 6 months ago. He never did. Here's why (answer from the other bro)
b. his body got used to however he's feeding it now. since he dieted with a calorie deficit to begin with, his body's bouncing back now (starvation mode). He's probably losing muscle and gaining fat as we speak. He'll never get to 4 percent unless he starts a "bodybuilding diet".
And finally, Bast, you're carrying more muscle and less bodyfat on your horribly disfigured frame than Adonis. Why would you listen to someone who looks worse than you?
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It really isn't that difficult getting nutritional "needs" from solely food, and it's really easy if you include a daily protein shake or most mrp bars. You don't even necessarily have to eat clean (for example a bic mac will probably provide more vitamins and minerals than most salads available). I really don't get how people have problems getting a good amount of vitamins and minerals from food alone as long as you don't eat the same meals over and over. But the benefits of the multivitamin just have not been proven; they sound great in theory but that's only the first half of the story.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/health/healthmain.html?in_article_id=398853&in_page_id=1774&in_a_source
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/health/2003592944_vitamins280.html
http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/16655168/