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Title: SPOILER: Crocop Vs Gonzaga
Post by: Scimowser on April 21, 2007, 02:33:06 PM
Crocop has been absoluteloy demolished, hes been knocked out cold and his left leg has twisted 180 degrees after he was knocked out. 9 seconds to go til the end of round 1, he was annihilated from the beginning.

I dont see him fighting for along time, his leg could possibly be destroyed. He looked different, like he didnt want to be there. Koed by a kick to the head, fuckin incredible kick!

Im still stunned................. ..
Title: Re: SPOILER: Crocop Vs Gonzaga
Post by: Eric15210 on April 21, 2007, 03:01:25 PM
WTF is going on - first GSP and now Cro Cop

Chuck will be next one to fall
Title: Re: SPOILER: Crocop Vs Gonzaga
Post by: Eric15210 on April 21, 2007, 03:11:23 PM
spoiler video

http://dnevnik.hr/naslovnica/vijesti/sport/20070421_15882_44494.php


Title: Re: SPOILER: Crocop Vs Gonzaga
Post by: Scimowser on April 21, 2007, 03:12:56 PM
honestly ive never seen anything like it. He was waaaaaaaaaaaay out of his depth, was being battered by elbows on the ground and only landed 1 kick in the fight, which was half blocked and still left a massive mark on Gonzaga. He didnt care though, he battered the shit out of CC, i dont know what else to say. This was a mauling and im absolutely gutted
Title: Re: SPOILER: Crocop Vs Gonzaga
Post by: chaos on April 21, 2007, 03:54:44 PM
AAAAAAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!


where are the cro cop nuthuggers now?
he got knocked the fuck out!!!!

he looked fine on the leg afterwards only a little limp, but that looked awful.
Title: Re: SPOILER: Crocop Vs Gonzaga
Post by: Kwon on April 21, 2007, 04:17:15 PM
Unbelievable.

I am without words.

Hopefully Rampage vs Iceman will go as planned a la Nyquil-clinic.

Title: Re: SPOILER: Crocop Vs Gonzaga
Post by: jude2 on April 21, 2007, 05:30:13 PM
That was an awesome shot.
Title: Re: SPOILER: Crocop Vs Gonzaga
Post by: smoothasf on April 21, 2007, 06:37:59 PM
did not expect that, was really shocked at how poor mirko is on the floor of a cage. Watching this fight and fedor's against him i think mirko's game goes a bit off when he is pressed at a faster pace than he likes to work at, gonzaga had him number not only on the ground but stood up too.
Title: Re: SPOILER: Crocop Vs Gonzaga
Post by: smoothasf on April 21, 2007, 06:42:01 PM
imagine you took this bet at the bookies still in shock
Title: Cro Cop/Gonazga fight was kickin'!
Post by: daddy8ball on April 21, 2007, 08:59:13 PM
Cro cop got fucked up.

Big time.

Good LORD!

Gonzaga about killed him.

Edit: Shit! Just saw the thread about this below. Sorry. (Moderator, plz remove...)  ;D
Title: Re: Cro Cop got fucked up
Post by: brooklyn123 on April 21, 2007, 09:06:31 PM
Gonzaga just beat the chit out of cro cop. High kick to the dome will always do the trick
Title: CroCOp Knocked out and twists his ankle 180 degrees!!!!!!
Post by: Devon97 on April 21, 2007, 09:18:47 PM
Just saw Gonzalas kid Crocop to the head and knock him out cold ... as crocop was falling down his ankle got twisted VERY gross. 5 mins later he was up and walking so I guess he didnt break or tear anything but the head blow was devestating.
Title: Re: SPOILER: Crocop Vs Gonzaga
Post by: Earl1972 on April 21, 2007, 09:19:18 PM
AAAAAAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!


where are the cro cop nuthuggers now?
he got knocked the fuck out!!!!



yes I'm sure you picked gonzaga to beat him and knock him out with a head kick ::)

E
Title: Re: SPOILER: Crocop Vs Gonzaga
Post by: blinky on April 21, 2007, 09:22:14 PM
forget the kick to the head for a minute...he was getting pounded with elbows the whole time he was on his back too.
and ya i wouldnt be surprised if his knee/ankle is fucked up too

incredible win for gonzaga.

watch out couture
Title: Re: CroCOp Knocked out and twists his ankle 180 degrees!!!!!!
Post by: cheeksmaliod on April 21, 2007, 09:22:23 PM
crocop was definitely off tonite, give gonzalez credit he kicked ass.  Is it just me or is corture ging more and more weight every time i see him?  Should be a gret fight.  I also thought fedor was better than crocop and it seems more and more like i was right
Title: Re: CroCOp Knocked out and twists his ankle 180 degrees!!!!!!
Post by: Earl1972 on April 21, 2007, 09:23:47 PM
so many upsets this year

first some guy named "sokoudju" knocks out lil nog and arona making them both look like cans

old man couture comes out of retirement to win the UFC belt

serra who had to earn his way back to the ufc beats st. pierre

now cro cop loses to some guy named "gabriel" :o :o :o

i'm stunned beyond belief :o

E
Title: Re: SPOILER: Crocop Vs Gonzaga
Post by: chaos on April 21, 2007, 09:29:08 PM
yes I'm sure you picked gonzaga to beat him and knock him out with a head kick ::)

E
actually Earl I couldn't care less. I think it's funny when people run their mouths about how great one guy is, the he gets his ass handed to him by an underdog. :-*
Title: Re: SPOILER: Crocop Vs Gonzaga
Post by: Earl1972 on April 21, 2007, 09:32:26 PM
actually Earl I couldn't care less. I think it's funny when people run their mouths about how great one guy is, the he gets his ass handed to him by an underdog. :-*

EVERYBODY was a cro cop guy

for him to get knocked out by a head kick in the first round by some guy most people have never heard of this upset is on par with any upset in sporting history

E
Title: Re: SPOILER: Crocop Vs Gonzaga
Post by: blinky on April 21, 2007, 09:32:51 PM
heres a link to the last 2 mins of the fight...look quick before they remove it

Title: Re: SPOILER: Crocop Vs Gonzaga
Post by: blinky on April 21, 2007, 09:34:13 PM
EVERYBODY was a cro cop guy

for him to get knocked out by a head kick in the first round by some guy most people have never heard of this upset is on par with any upset in sporting history

E

funny thing is lots of people "in the know" actually picked gonzaga to win . couture picked him to win as well
Title: Re: SPOILER: Crocop Vs Gonzaga
Post by: Earl1972 on April 21, 2007, 09:35:01 PM
forget the kick to the head for a minute...he was getting pounded with elbows the whole time he was on his back too.
and ya i wouldnt be surprised if his knee/ankle is fucked up too

incredible win for gonzaga.

watch out couture

yeah I guess he isn't used to defending elbows since they aren't in pride

he really didn't look like he came to fight, gonzaga took him down about 2 minutes into the fight and before that body kick cro cop just stood there defending

he didn't have that aggression he had at the OWGP and I wonder why ???

E
Title: Re: SPOILER: Crocop Vs Gonzaga
Post by: Earl1972 on April 21, 2007, 09:35:36 PM
funny thing is lots of people "in the know" actually picked gonzaga to win . couture picked him to win as well

who else did other than randy?

E
Title: Re: CroCOp Knocked out and twists his ankle 180 degrees!!!!!!
Post by: Dballn247 on April 21, 2007, 09:36:39 PM
Can someone please GIF that?
Title: Re: CroCOp Knocked out and twists his ankle 180 degrees!!!!!!
Post by: evolutnbatista on April 21, 2007, 09:37:05 PM
that was one sick kick gonzaga landed
Title: Re: CroCOp Knocked out and twists his ankle 180 degrees!!!!!!
Post by: Earl1972 on April 21, 2007, 09:37:59 PM
that was one sick kick gonzaga landed

that kick with his ankle being completely twisted makes the one cro cop landed on igor and wanderlei look weak :o

E
Title: Re: CroCOp Knocked out and twists his ankle 180 degrees!!!!!!
Post by: ManBearPig... on April 21, 2007, 09:42:33 PM
Can someone please GIF that?

see my usurping thread re: this topic.
Title: Re: SPOILER: Crocop Vs Gonzaga
Post by: chaos on April 21, 2007, 09:47:37 PM
EVERYBODY was a cro cop guy
for him to get knocked out by a head kick in the first round by some guy most people have never heard of this upset is on par with any upset in sporting history

E
not me ;D

I'm nobodies fanboy, I just want to see a good fight. Don't care who wins/loses as long as two men enter and one man leaves.  Apparently CroCop was supposed to be some sort of badass everyone was claiming he would rise to the championship and he was going to walk through everyone in the UFC, hhmmmmm. Who is this Gonzaga guy, never seen him fight before.
Title: Re: SPOILER: Crocop Vs Gonzaga
Post by: Earl1972 on April 21, 2007, 09:49:32 PM
not me ;D



what i meant was everybody had him atleast as the number 2 heavyweight in the world

doesn't make you a "fanboy"

E
Title: Re: SPOILER: Crocop Vs Gonzaga
Post by: blinky on April 21, 2007, 09:51:57 PM
who else did other than randy?

E

sorry my bad..i shouldnt have said lots. not sure who it was but earlier in the show someone else said they thought he would win.



Title: Re: CroCOp Knocked out and twists his ankle 180 degrees!!!!!!
Post by: TheEgoCrusher on April 21, 2007, 10:07:24 PM
It still cracks me up how you UFC wannabe's watch that shit while actual REAL LIFE BOXERS train and laugh at it.
Title: Re: CroCOp Knocked out and twists his ankle 180 degrees!!!!!!
Post by: Earl1972 on April 21, 2007, 10:11:27 PM
It still cracks me up how you UFC wannabe's watch that shit while actual REAL LIFE BOXERS train and laugh at it.

so we shouldn't watch it because boxers laugh at it ???

E
Title: Re: CroCOp Knocked out and twists his ankle 180 degrees!!!!!!
Post by: TheEgoCrusher on April 21, 2007, 10:19:19 PM
Nah, you can watch it all you want.  That's your RIGHT as a human-being. 

Boxers or boxing fans just laugh at you.  These guys would last about 10 seconds on their feet with a world class puncher and all you UFC morons know it.

I know that the UFC appeals to guys who've never had any athletic ability on their own, who've never boxed, who want to wear their tap-out gear around the gym thinking they are bad-asses, but, I assure you, REAL WORLD FIGHTERS freaking LAUGH at the UFC.  ONE good strike and any of those clowns are done with.  You all know it's true and we (boxing fans) know it's true, also. 

However, the UFC embrasses a LOT of the general public...guys who've never been a DAMN THING in their life.  These idiots who currently roll around at their gym working on technique and position are enough to make ANYONE LAUGH. 

The best fighters in the WORLD are boxing and earing $10,000,000 per pay per view.  Inferior wannabes who could not CUT IT IN BOXING are making all you UFC watchers happy.  Hell, simply minds work alike.  I can see how all you narrow-minded simpletons like the UFC.  Those out of shape clowns are doing something that you idiots feel you can connect with them during.

You all are sad individuals.  Once you get past living through your currect MMA favorite, get off your ASS and get in shape at your local gym.  You are all a damn disgrace.
Title: Re: SPOILER: Crocop Vs Gonzaga
Post by: Thin Lizzy on April 21, 2007, 10:25:08 PM
Gonzaga did a great job with the g&p, but I get the feeling Crocop just fell asleep during the last 10 seconds of the round, thinking that Gonzaga was gonna just wait for the bell and not do anything. Wrong!!!
Title: Re: CroCOp Knocked out and twists his ankle 180 degrees!!!!!!
Post by: blinky on April 21, 2007, 10:25:09 PM
Nah, you can watch it all you want.  That's your RIGHT as a human-being. 

Boxers or boxing fans just laugh at you.  These guys would last about 10 seconds on their feet with a world class puncher and all you UFC morons know it.

I know that the UFC appeals to guys who've never had any athletic ability on their own, who've never boxed, who want to wear their tap-out gear around the gym thinking they are bad-asses, but, I assure you, REAL WORLD FIGHTERS freaking LAUGH at the UFC.  ONE good strike and any of those clowns are done with.  You all know it's true and we (boxing fans) know it's true, also. 

However, the UFC embrasses a LOT of the general public...guys who've never been a DAMN THING in their life.  These idiots who currently roll around at their gym working on technique and position are enough to make ANYONE LAUGH. 

The best fighters in the WORLD are boxing and earing $10,000,000 per pay per view.  Inferior wannabes who could not CUT IT IN BOXING are making all you UFC watchers happy.  Hell, simply minds work alike.  I can see how all you narrow-minded simpletons like the UFC.  Those out of shape clowns are doing something that you idiots feel you can connect with them during.

You all are sad individuals.  Once you get past living through your currect MMA favorite, get off your ASS and get in shape at your local gym.  You are all a damn disgrace.

take a deep breath buddy..it will be ok. no need to get so angry at your computer screen.
Title: Re: CroCOp Knocked out and twists his ankle 180 degrees!!!!!!
Post by: Earl1972 on April 21, 2007, 10:25:55 PM
meltdown of all meltdowns :o :o

I agree with some of what you said but your feelings seemed to be hurt by how big mma has gotten ???

E
Title: Re: SPOILER: Crocop Vs Gonzaga
Post by: blinky on April 21, 2007, 10:29:33 PM
Gonzaga did a great job with the g&p, but I get the feeling Crocop just fell asleep during the last 10 seconds of the round, thinking that Gonzaga was gonna just wait for the bell and not do anything. Wrong!!!


its possible but then that would make him lazy..good on gonzaga for fighting right til the bell.

and if u watch it looks like cro cop was lowering his arm to block the kick he probably thought was gonna be at the body...not the head
Title: Re: SPOILER: Crocop Vs Gonzaga
Post by: Earl1972 on April 21, 2007, 10:37:57 PM
Gonzaga did a great job with the g&p, but I get the feeling Crocop just fell asleep during the last 10 seconds of the round, thinking that Gonzaga was gonna just wait for the bell and not do anything. Wrong!!!

I seriously was thinking cro cop was saving his high kick for the last second

he didn't make it to the last second :-\

E
Title: Re: CroCOp Knocked out and twists his ankle 180 degrees!!!!!!
Post by: IceCold on April 21, 2007, 10:38:51 PM
Nah, you can watch it all you want.  That's your RIGHT as a human-being. 

Boxers or boxing fans just laugh at you.  These guys would last about 10 seconds on their feet with a world class puncher and all you UFC morons know it.



punching on their feet?  yes, what you said is true.

but there is more than 1 way to fight.

just look at all the k1 guys who get their asses handed to them against GOOD mma guys.  guys that have fought since they were little kids in various disciplines, sambo, tkd, wrestling, etc.

why is it that no boxer will fight a full mma fight with those rules?

it aint about money. 

if they would win so easily, they would be in no danger.

tyson refused to fight bob sapp-he said boxing rules only.
Title: Re: CroCOp Knocked out and twists his ankle 180 degrees!!!!!!
Post by: BroadStreetBruiser on April 21, 2007, 10:50:50 PM
HAHAHAH that pasty "retired from the military 10 years ago but like the haircut" dude got knocked out hahaha
Title: Re: CroCOp Knocked out and twists his ankle 180 degrees!!!!!!
Post by: Rami on April 21, 2007, 10:58:10 PM
Looked weak and past his prime. He is done.
Title: Re: CroCOp Knocked out and twists his ankle 180 degrees!!!!!!
Post by: titusisback on April 21, 2007, 11:14:08 PM
Nah, you can watch it all you want.  That's your RIGHT as a human-being. 

Boxers or boxing fans just laugh at you.  These guys would last about 10 seconds on their feet with a world class puncher and all you UFC morons know it.

I'll have to agree with you; on their feet, a boxer wins. Too bad for boxers that in 'no rules' fight, a boxer would get his ass kicked big time. I'd like to congratulate all top boxers for being some of the most over paid athletes in the world; boxing is obviously going down the drain these days. When Tyson was on the top, there was no doubt who the bext boxer is. Now, the general public has no f'ing clue.

I love the fact how boxing fans come to MMA threads telling how good boxers are. MMA is going to replace boxing as the top fighting sport. So, enjoy your dying sport for a little while.

P.S. for those who wonder how a top boxer would do in a MMA fight, see this video
Title: Re: CroCOp Knocked out and twists his ankle 180 degrees!!!!!!
Post by: jonsande on April 22, 2007, 12:01:57 AM
Nah, you can watch it all you want.  That's your RIGHT as a human-being. 

Boxers or boxing fans just laugh at you.  These guys would last about 10 seconds on their feet with a world class puncher and all you UFC morons know it.

I know that the UFC appeals to guys who've never had any athletic ability on their own, who've never boxed, who want to wear their tap-out gear around the gym thinking they are bad-asses, but, I assure you, REAL WORLD FIGHTERS freaking LAUGH at the UFC.  ONE good strike and any of those clowns are done with.  You all know it's true and we (boxing fans) know it's true, also. 

However, the UFC embrasses a LOT of the general public...guys who've never been a DAMN THING in their life.  These idiots who currently roll around at their gym working on technique and position are enough to make ANYONE LAUGH. 

The best fighters in the WORLD are boxing and earing $10,000,000 per pay per view.  Inferior wannabes who could not CUT IT IN BOXING are making all you UFC watchers happy.  Hell, simply minds work alike.  I can see how all you narrow-minded simpletons like the UFC.  Those out of shape clowns are doing something that you idiots feel you can connect with them during.

You all are sad individuals.  Once you get past living through your currect MMA favorite, get off your ASS and get in shape at your local gym.  You are all a damn disgrace.

Absolutely. 
Title: Re: CroCOp Knocked out and twists his ankle 180 degrees!!!!!!
Post by: jianjohn24 on April 22, 2007, 12:03:49 AM
Nah, you can watch it all you want.  That's your RIGHT as a human-being. 

Boxers or boxing fans just laugh at you.  These guys would last about 10 seconds on their feet with a world class puncher and all you UFC morons know it.

I know that the UFC appeals to guys who've never had any athletic ability on their own, who've never boxed, who want to wear their tap-out gear around the gym thinking they are bad-asses, but, I assure you, REAL WORLD FIGHTERS freaking LAUGH at the UFC.  ONE good strike and any of those clowns are done with.  You all know it's true and we (boxing fans) know it's true, also. 

However, the UFC embrasses a LOT of the general public...guys who've never been a DAMN THING in their life.  These idiots who currently roll around at their gym working on technique and position are enough to make ANYONE LAUGH. 

The best fighters in the WORLD are boxing and earing $10,000,000 per pay per view.  Inferior wannabes who could not CUT IT IN BOXING are making all you UFC watchers happy.  Hell, simply minds work alike.  I can see how all you narrow-minded simpletons like the UFC.  Those out of shape clowns are doing something that you idiots feel you can connect with them during.

You all are sad individuals.  Once you get past living through your currect MMA favorite, get off your ASS and get in shape at your local gym.  You are all a damn disgrace.

MELTDOWN


I'll have to agree with you; on their feet, a boxer wins. Too bad for boxers that in 'no rules' fight, a boxer would get his ass kicked big time. I'd like to congratulate all top boxers for being some of the most over paid athletes in the world; boxing is obviously going down the drain these days. When Tyson was on the top, there was no doubt who the bext boxer is. Now, the general public has no f'ing clue.

I love the fact how boxing fans come to MMA threads telling how good boxers are. MMA is going to replace boxing as the top fighting sport. So, enjoy your dying sport for a little while.

P.S. for those who wonder how a top boxer would do in a MMA fight, see this video


So true, BOXING is dead. Pussies
Title: Re: CroCOp Knocked out and twists his ankle 180 degrees!!!!!!
Post by: dalkiel on April 22, 2007, 12:09:22 AM
thanks a lot for ruining the fight for me minutes before i saw it. Could you have at least put the word spoiler in the subject line instead of typing the end result.

jackass
Title: Re: SPOILER: Crocop Vs Gonzaga
Post by: MindSpin on April 22, 2007, 12:12:31 AM
Brutal...I'm still in shock.  That was an ugly KO.  Nothing is for sure in MMA.  Arlovski won...but very disappointing.
Title: Re: CroCOp Knocked out and twists his ankle 180 degrees!!!!!!
Post by: canadaphiliac on April 22, 2007, 12:14:13 AM
Haha, I'm still waiting for any show of a boxer ever beating a grappler/mixed martial artist. In the mean time, there is the damning evidence Art Jimmerson tapping out without even having a submission hold applied.  ::)
Title: Re: CroCOp Knocked out and twists his ankle 180 degrees!!!!!!
Post by: @Brandon on April 22, 2007, 12:31:11 AM
Nah, you can watch it all you want.  That's your RIGHT as a human-being. 

Boxers or boxing fans just laugh at you.  These guys would last about 10 seconds on their feet with a world class puncher and all you UFC morons know it.

I know that the UFC appeals to guys who've never had any athletic ability on their own, who've never boxed, who want to wear their tap-out gear around the gym thinking they are bad-asses, but, I assure you, REAL WORLD FIGHTERS freaking LAUGH at the UFC.  ONE good strike and any of those clowns are done with.  You all know it's true and we (boxing fans) know it's true, also. 

However, the UFC embrasses a LOT of the general public...guys who've never been a DAMN THING in their life.  These idiots who currently roll around at their gym working on technique and position are enough to make ANYONE LAUGH. 

The best fighters in the WORLD are boxing and earing $10,000,000 per pay per view.  Inferior wannabes who could not CUT IT IN BOXING are making all you UFC watchers happy.  Hell, simply minds work alike.  I can see how all you narrow-minded simpletons like the UFC.  Those out of shape clowns are doing something that you idiots feel you can connect with them during.

You all are sad individuals.  Once you get past living through your currect MMA favorite, get off your ASS and get in shape at your local gym.  You are all a damn disgrace.

Egocrusher you are the narrowminded person we laugh at.

I train boxing and I am a boxing fan.
I also train MMA.
Only complete nubcakes and kindergarden kids believe any boxer can beat a pro mma fighter outside boxing rules.

Here is a video for you.
Ignashov(K1 MT)  fighting williams(a boxer)  your feet is hanging out from williams ass if you look closely.

Title: Re: CroCOp Knocked out and twists his ankle 180 degrees!!!!!!
Post by: mojo jojo on April 22, 2007, 01:02:55 AM
this arguement is flawed, as i could never see a top ranked boxer go in against a ufc fighter, for one it makes no sense financially, the other point being the rules of this bout. for me there'd have to be a middle ground if u were wanting a champion boxer vs a champion mma fighter......it doesnt seem fair to throw a boxer into mma rules or a mma fighter into a boxing ring...but as a boxing fan primarily i see the outcome of the fight favouring a boxer, but its all about opinions until it actually happens.
Title: Re: SPOILER: Crocop Vs Gonzaga
Post by: smoothasf on April 22, 2007, 01:05:49 AM
if i was crop i would have blocked for the body too i didnt for the life of me think gonzaga would be able to head kick, not at force anyway. if crop is injured it will be his knee not ankle ive done this and hes lucky he was out for it cause it was the worst pain ive every been in, the knee will go before the ankle
Title: Re: CroCOp Knocked out and twists his ankle 180 degrees!!!!!!
Post by: TheEgoCrusher on April 22, 2007, 01:13:08 AM
Egocrusher you are the narrowminded person we laugh at.

I train boxing and I am a boxing fan.
I also train MMA.
Only complete nubcakes and kindergarden kids believe any boxer can beat a pro mma fighter outside boxing rules.

Here is a video for you.
Ignashov(K1 MT)  fighting williams(a boxer)  your feet is hanging out from williams ass if you look closely.



I'll make sure to buy you some cookies the next time the girl-scouts are around.  After feeding them to you, you'll still be an overfed, fat, delusional piece of shit....just full of cookies....
Title: Re: CroCOp Knocked out and twists his ankle 180 degrees!!!!!!
Post by: Scimowser on April 22, 2007, 01:19:53 AM
ive boxed, ive done muay thai, ju-jitsu, shotokan, kuk sool won................you name it ive done it. And what do i think is the best of them all, well in truth the combination they give me. You cant say a boxer is superior cos i know a few pros and would maul them in a street fight based on my ability to get them to the ground and strike from there.

Thats all you need to do, and granted it may be harder than you think but thats where the fight ends and your bitching of them begins. I dont care if youre Mayweather, Jones Jr, Holyfield, Ali..........if a boxer is put on his back against a skilled ground fighter then hes fucked. Its completely alien to them.

Argument finished
Title: Re: CroCOp Knocked out and twists his ankle 180 degrees!!!!!!
Post by: smoothasf on April 22, 2007, 01:28:25 AM
stupid arguement, boxers punch WRONG, this is gonna start an arguement but i dont care.  Boxers punch technique is designed to move a 12-14oz glove at an apponent as quickly and effectly as possible take the glove away and everytime they land a hook (not a jab) they will break their hand.
I trained sombo and mma and currently train in boxing just for fitness.  My friends a boxer and EVERYtime we end up in a fight when we go out (regularly) he breaks his hands at the first punch, knocks them out, but breaks it.
when i was training tuesday a boxer there came over and told me how to hook cause i dont punch like a boxer, while it was more powerful, if i had taken the glove off i would have certainly broken my knuckles as the twist and straight from the elbow style hook hits your lower knuckles waaay to much.  chuck demonstrates how to punch with no gloves on almost perfectly
im not a chuck fan so dont even try.
Title: Re: SPOILER: Crocop Vs Gonzaga
Post by: OKMike on April 22, 2007, 06:23:20 AM
 :-\  :-X   :'(
Title: Re: CroCOp Knocked out and twists his ankle 180 degrees!!!!!!
Post by: djohnsen on April 22, 2007, 06:51:01 AM
ive boxed, ive done muay thai, ju-jitsu, shotokan, kuk sool won................you name it ive done it. And what do i think is the best of them all, well in truth the combination they give me. You cant say a boxer is superior cos i know a few pros and would maul them in a street fight based on my ability to get them to the ground and strike from there.

Thats all you need to do, and granted it may be harder than you think but thats where the fight ends and your bitching of them begins. I dont care if youre Mayweather, Jones Jr, Holyfield, Ali..........if a boxer is put on his back against a skilled ground fighter then hes fucked. Its completely alien to them.

Argument finished

In a street fight there are no rules. In a sport as boxing, there are rules....
Title: Re: CroCOp Knocked out and twists his ankle 180 degrees!!!!!!
Post by: Scimowser on April 22, 2007, 07:01:49 AM
yes i know, but when a boxer is drawn into a fight what does he do instinctively? Puts his guard up and punches!

If youre trained in grappling and striking what do you do instinctively? Take them down, mount them and leather the fuck out of them. Trust me, i see it most weekends
Title: Re: SPOILER: Crocop Vs Gonzaga
Post by: the shadow on April 22, 2007, 07:03:36 AM
damn :o..shocking news.i don't even wanna see the KO..i won't be able to sleep all night if i saw it.
Title: Re: SPOILER: Crocop Vs Gonzaga
Post by: Scimowser on April 22, 2007, 07:05:10 AM
this is the saddest sight ive ever seen in MMA, i just felt so empty when he went down. All i could do was rethink it over and over, even when i woke up this morning. I actually noticed his leg straight away, my wife was wondering what the hell was going on before Mike and Joe started screaming about it too
Title: Re: SPOILER: Crocop Vs Gonzaga
Post by: the shadow on April 22, 2007, 07:12:20 AM
this is the saddest sight ive ever seen in MMA, i just felt so empty when he went down. All i could do was rethink it over and over, even when i woke up this morning. I actually noticed his leg straight away, my wife was wondering what the hell was going on before Mike and Joe started screaming about it too
jesus :o.man that leg looks nasty..damn mma is unpredictable..i never even imagined that any body like mirko would end up like this in a fight..this gotta be far worse than any mma knockout ever..knocked out cold with an ankle twisted at 180 degree...this is sad..
Title: Re: SPOILER: Crocop Vs Gonzaga
Post by: Scimowser on April 22, 2007, 07:25:04 AM
people are saying "oh its ok, he walked out of the ring"

Listen, nobody gets KO'd like that, twists their leg like that and is ok in the morning. With the swelling up he will surely be in alot of pain, and who knows it there is serious ligament damage in his ankle or knee. Like i said, i dont see him fighting for a while

Title: Re: SPOILER: Crocop Vs Gonzaga
Post by: Petrucci on April 22, 2007, 07:30:00 AM
JESUS FUCKING CHRIST..../11!!!1!!


wow...im really in shock...but as i said some months ago in a thread about Fedor , NO ONE , stays on top forever...NEVER.
 Crocop didnt seemed prepared to thefight,all of it he was strange, and he barely throw any punch at all...just one awfull kick to the body...
 on ground he defended but it wasjust it...where the fuck are all his jiu jistu training now????

 I saw this hapenning to Kerr, Belfort, many others...and now Cro Cop...all hailed as invincible guys, and they got caught by their egos, thinking just because of the name they would win anyone...

 On the last fight of Fedor, i found him strange too...but even like that, it wasnt too much for him to loose...thats his MOST advantage...Fedor has something called BRAIN. Lack of inteligence and thinking on the fight was the most problem in the fights all those guys i put above...Fedor its the best for years but he didnt got caught by his ego, at least until now....Cro cop had a kick in the fucking head!!!! how the fuck do you get attacked like that in your best feature???

 if im not mistaken he did not landed ONE SINGLE LEFT HAND....just some weak jabs,and one kick....jesus fucking christ, thats what bothers me most, HE most of all loosed the fight (not taking anything away from Napao...i saw he many times in Brasil fighting, he is great, just not on Cro Cops league). Cro Cop use to have the best guard of standing fighters...and after seeying Napao telegraphed his kick he puts the hands ON THE BODY!!!! fuck.... (i know... its easy to talk, lol)

 Well, he is not finished...lets just not hope he dont pull a wanderlei´s now and loose his next fight...he have to do like he did on Randleman loss...Come back 110%, preparing to fight ANYONE, and not underestimade anyone....
 on his first fight on UFC he wasnt 100% too..he won, and it was difficult to say if he was just holding himself since he didnt need to fight with all his will...but i thinking he is living the  'holywood' life now, tons of money , seeying some 'unknown'' names on front of him and thinking 'nah, just some training and im ok'

 Man,i remember this exactly feeling when Belfort Lost to Couture on his firt fight...the difference being Vitor was undefeated at that time, wich was worse...Cro cop its not invencible,he proved that before...but he didnt have to loose this fight...It wasnt a 'lucky´s kick' nor just luck of Napao...he did win it fighting, but Cro Cop seemed to be like a ghost on the fucking fight....

 Hail Fedor...the man with skills, technique and BRAIN!!!!!!!

end of my rant (a meltdown of sorts rofl)
 
 
Title: Re: SPOILER: Crocop Vs Gonzaga
Post by: Eric15210 on April 22, 2007, 08:15:54 AM
Did we overrate Pride fighters  :o

Title: Re: SPOILER: Crocop Vs Gonzaga
Post by: MindSpin on April 22, 2007, 08:33:53 AM
Did we overrate Pride fighters  :o



I've been trying not to ge there, but perhaps.  All I ever hear is how much better the Pride guys are and how they would dominate in the UFC.  Their #2 guy just got destroyed :-\
Title: Re: SPOILER: Crocop Vs Gonzaga
Post by: Scimowser on April 22, 2007, 08:34:41 AM
how can you overrate the number 2 heavyweight in the world? He lost, nothing he can do about that just now but thats NOT the Mirko we have come to expect. He was disinterested in the fight, looked like he had other concerns and was certainly unprepared. A horrible showing by him but certainly not the end. hey even a prime Lennox Lewis got KO'd by a shitty Rahman. Anything is possible
Title: Re: SPOILER: Crocop Vs Gonzaga
Post by: UPINTHEMGUTS on April 22, 2007, 08:42:49 AM
Couture and Rogan were making VERY valid comments regarding CC's unwillingness to train in an octagon, but instead in a ring(Pride style). Couture was asked by Rogan if that makes any difference. I knew the answer to that before Randy spoke on it. OF COURSE it makes a difference. CC has excellent sprawling technique and probably didn't think he would get taken to the ground. Well, guess what? it happened and CC absolutely DID NOT look like he wanted to be there either as he getting pressed up against the cage with nowhere to go. That leg kick was devastating! Knocked CC right off his feet!

Incredible upset victory! Congratulations Gonzaga!
Title: Re: CroCOp Knocked out and twists his ankle 180 degrees!!!!!!
Post by: Earl1972 on April 22, 2007, 09:48:47 AM
Looked weak and past his prime. He is done.

he was knocked out by kevin randleman and came back plus a few times in K1

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Title: Re: SPOILER: Crocop Vs Gonzaga
Post by: *ChuteBoxe* on April 22, 2007, 09:49:04 AM
Latest Cro-cop News- I didn't feel that it's necessary to have 500 Cro-Cop threads so I'll just throw this in here.


Only one day after brutal and humiliating KO by Gabriel Gonzaga in Manchester, Mirko Cro Cop came back to Zagreb. Several of his friends, members of the special forces, were waiting for him at the airport. As soon as he got out of the terminal, walking with a limp, reporters gathered around him to hear his opinion on last night's fight, the fifth loss of Mirko's career.
Although just 10 hours passed from the KO, Mirko was calm and collected, and if it wasn't for the visible limp, you could never guess it was the same man who lied unconscious last night in the UFC cage.
"The fight went the same way I fought it, I didn't deserve any better", analyzed Mirko and continued: "That's seems to be the cross I'm carrying, I fall down every once in a while, I don't know why. I've been two times through such crisis, against Randleman and I came back, against Fedor and I came back. I'll come back after this again. It's part of my carrer, so I should handle it."
It didn't take long since last night's defeat for speculations to arise whether Gonzaga's hick-kick ended Mirko's career aswell. But to our question whether he'll continue fighting after this Cro Cop answered: "Of, course, I will fullfil the contract, I have 4 more fights to go."
After this short statement Mirko entered his car. Before anything, it's time to recover, and after that he'll start thinking about his next opponent.
Title: Re: SPOILER: Crocop Vs Gonzaga
Post by: posterchild on April 22, 2007, 10:52:00 AM
If we are comparing Pride to UFC, let's not forget about Nog.  I find it interesting how Cro Cop is / was considered to be the #2 fighter when he has an unavenged loss to Nog.  Nog has proved worthy and able to sustain a severe beating and continue fighting, and when it was against Cro Cop, to come back and win.  I know Nog lost a contriversial fight to Josh Barnet, and then Cro Cop TKOed Josh, buth think about how much punishment Josh took against Nog - and then he had to fight a more refreshed Cro Cop after.  Then Nog defeated Josh in their second bout.  Barnet is no slouch either. 

It should be interesting to see what happens in the coming year for UFC heavy.  I would guess that if Fedor does not come over, and there is no issues with Nog going blind we will see Nog being crowned champ - but anything is possible!
Title: Re: SPOILER: Crocop Vs Gonzaga
Post by: Bindare_Dundat on April 22, 2007, 12:25:43 PM
Mirko isn't a ground fighter. His ground game sucks cause he doesnt have one. His strength is only in his strikes and you can't be a well rounded fighter with just one dominating skill.

As soon as Mirko was on the ground he was fucked.
Title: Re: SPOILER: Crocop Vs Gonzaga
Post by: chaos on April 22, 2007, 12:47:56 PM
how can you overrate the number 2 heavyweight in the world? He lost, nothing he can do about that just now but thats NOT the Mirko we have come to expect. He was disinterested in the fight, looked like he had other concerns and was certainly unprepared. A horrible showing by him but certainly not the end. hey even a prime Lennox Lewis got KO'd by a shitty Rahman. Anything is possible
how can you rate him #2 in the world when he hadn't fought in UFC? He may have been #2 in PRIDE, but he was untested in UFC. So to rate him #2 without seeing how he performed against a different set of opponents was a bit hasty, don't you think?
Title: Re: SPOILER: Crocop Vs Gonzaga
Post by: Earl1972 on April 22, 2007, 01:06:31 PM
how can you rate him #2 in the world when he hadn't fought in UFC? He may have been #2 in PRIDE, but he was untested in UFC. So to rate him #2 without seeing how he performed against a different set of opponents was a bit hasty, don't you think?

with this logic fedor shouldn't be ranked number one in the world ::)

E
Title: Re: SPOILER: Crocop Vs Gonzaga
Post by: chaos on April 22, 2007, 01:20:34 PM
with this logic fedor shouldn't be ranked number one in the world ::)

E
has he beaten the best in the world or has he beaten the best in PRIDE? My whole point is you can't rank people in different orginizations above other people from other orginizations. If you do you get CroCop's head handed to him on a platter. I watched the fight and he was beaten to a pulp. Looked defenseless against the elbow on the ground. Did nothing to escape or advance. And made a huge mistake in dropping his arm, looked lazy like he expected a cakewalk. Is that because every fanboy out there is telling him how great he is and how he's #2 in the world, not just PRIDE, but the world.

Plain and simple. to me he looked awful, got his asswhipped, even before the head kick. But hey he's #2 in the world right? ::)
Title: Re: SPOILER: Crocop Vs Gonzaga
Post by: Earl1972 on April 22, 2007, 01:24:44 PM
has he beaten the best in the world or has he beaten the best in PRIDE? My whole point is you can't rank people in different orginizations above other people from other orginizations. If you do you get CroCop's head handed to him on a platter. I watched the fight and he was beaten to a pulp. Looked defenseless against the elbow on the ground. Did nothing to escape or advance. And made a huge mistake in dropping his arm, looked lazy like he expected a cakewalk. Is that because every fanboy out there is telling him how great he is and how he's #2 in the world, not just PRIDE, but the world.

Plain and simple. to me he looked awful, got his asswhipped, even before the head kick. But hey he's #2 in the world right? ::)

so you're saying rankings should be eliminated altogether?

E
Title: Re: SPOILER: Crocop Vs Gonzaga
Post by: chaos on April 22, 2007, 01:31:44 PM
so you're saying rankings should be eliminated altogether?

E
No. What I'm saying is that a fighter should only be compared to his own org. not every org. on the planet, the world. In other words someone could be ranked #2 in one org, then transfer to another org. he should have to start over, fighting like an unknown. Maybe move him up quicker because of experience, but bot blowing up his rep to be the best in the world, only that one org.

To find the best in the world they should have to fight champs from each org. against each other as the champ from each org. would be the best in that org at that time. The winner would be the best in the world. Make sense? Maybe it's not realistic, but it would solve the world ranking issue.

Besides how can you rank fighters who don't fight each other? I mean I never even heard of Gonzagas, but all I've heard for months is how CroCop should get a title shot, he shouldn't have to fight nobodies, but second fight in UFC, he get's knocked out by who? A nobody. :'(




too much typing.....meltdown :D
Title: Re: SPOILER: Crocop Vs Gonzaga
Post by: americanbulldog on April 22, 2007, 02:30:34 PM
Man I thought Kirik was just doing the hometown thing when he was backing Napao.  Napao dominated him on his feet, did a great job on the GNP, and RHK to the cemetary!   ;D
Title: Re: CroCOp Knocked out and twists his ankle 180 degrees!!!!!!
Post by: arce377 on April 22, 2007, 03:36:17 PM
I just seriously HOPE, THAT Mirko is OK, and NOT permanently brain and or leg damaged!... sad.gif


A TRUE, GREAT, MAN AND WARRIOR!


I SALUTE YOU MIRKO!


"THE HUNTER"

STEVE M. ARCE
DO SAN DOJO
Title: Re: CroCOp Knocked out and twists his ankle 180 degrees!!!!!!
Post by: americanbulldog on April 22, 2007, 05:42:26 PM
this arguement is flawed, as i could never see a top ranked boxer go in against a ufc fighter, for one it makes no sense financially, the other point being the rules of this bout. for me there'd have to be a middle ground if u were wanting a champion boxer vs a champion mma fighter......it doesnt seem fair to throw a boxer into mma rules or a mma fighter into a boxing ring...but as a boxing fan primarily i see the outcome of the fight favouring a boxer, but its all about opinions until it actually happens.

Which is why I don't know why people keep talking about this.  Top level boxers WILL NEVER step in the cage with a top level MMA fighter, and they will use the purse as the excuse.  But bottom line, if someone like PBF only boxes, he will have no solution for a single leg, double, ankle pick, leg dive much less a snapdown, two on one, armdrag, once it is within the clinch, it is all over.  So the boxer has one chance, and one chance only. 
Title: Re: SPOILER: Crocop Vs Gonzaga
Post by: Scimowser on April 23, 2007, 12:19:16 AM
you only have to look at the UFC heavyweight division to see how inferior the fighters are. Im not dragging up this argument again, but to say the likes of Mir, Sylvia, Arlovski etc are superior to Fedor, Crocop, Nog etc is plain stupidity. You know nothing - NOTHING - about MMA if you think that. At one time i thought everyone in UFC was the very best in the world, then i started to watch Pride constantly and you can tell that they are the very best.

How can you say Mayweather, Calzaghe, Hatton etc are the best when they havent fought everyone there is to fight? because they have proven it with their performances when they have had to step up. Point proved, argument over.
Title: Re: SPOILER: Crocop Vs Gonzaga
Post by: Petrucci on April 23, 2007, 05:23:06 AM
you only have to look at the UFC heavyweight division to see how inferior the fighters are. Im not dragging up this argument again, but to say the likes of Mir, Sylvia, Arlovski etc are superior to Fedor, Crocop, Nog etc is plain stupidity. You know nothing - NOTHING - about MMA if you think that. At one time i thought everyone in UFC was the very best in the world, then i started to watch Pride constantly and you can tell that they are the very best.

How can you say Mayweather, Calzaghe, Hatton etc are the best when they havent fought everyone there is to fight? because they have proven it with their performances when they have had to step up. Point proved, argument over.

very good point...Its not a thing of being a Pride fan, its only a question of being objective. They HAVE the best fighters, its just that. Analyze it calm and you will see it too...It doesnt matter if Fedor didnt fought in UFC before, its like telling he is not the 1st because he didnt fought ALL fighters in the world....
 Remember, UFC WAS the best and HAD the best fighters for years....That changed on the last years, its just that. And probably now they will be the best again since they own pride also... ;)

 Mirko seemed very conscious about his mistakes...Like lots of people told here, HE most of all did milions of mistakes on the fight...even if he didnt had fight very good, if he didnt had so many horrible decisions during the fight the result could be a lot different
Title: Re: SPOILER: Crocop Vs Gonzaga
Post by: cheeksmaliod on April 23, 2007, 08:42:13 AM
WTF is going on - first GSP and now Cro Cop

Chuck will be next one to fall

GSp lost one fight to a good fighter and he admited to being unfocused the french candian will rise again,
Title: Re: SPOILER: Crocop Vs Gonzaga
Post by: Colossus_500 on April 23, 2007, 09:53:16 AM
spoiler video

http://dnevnik.hr/naslovnica/vijesti/sport/20070421_15882_44494.php



WOW!!!   :o
Title: Re: CroCOp Knocked out and twists his ankle 180 degrees!!!!!!
Post by: SinCitysmallGUY on April 23, 2007, 11:01:21 AM
Which is why I don't know why people keep talking about this.  Top level boxers WILL NEVER step in the cage with a top level MMA fighter, and they will use the purse as the excuse.  But bottom line, if someone like PBF only boxes, he will have no solution for a single leg, double, ankle pick, leg dive much less a snapdown, two on one, armdrag, once it is within the clinch, it is all over.  So the boxer has one chance, and one chance only. 

Another sound argument is Boxers are trained to be hit with pillows... MMA guys train with 4 oz gloves... I don't really know how a boxer would take a shot from CroCop or Fedor with little gloves on... But once again something we will never know... >:(
Title: Re: CroCOp Knocked out and twists his ankle 180 degrees!!!!!!
Post by: ATHEIST on April 23, 2007, 01:07:42 PM
Another sound argument is Boxers are trained to be hit with pillows... MMA guys train with 4 oz gloves... I don't really know how a boxer would take a shot from CroCop or Fedor with little gloves on... But once again something we will never know... >:(
 
   boxers are always in their comfort zone standing. An experienced MMA practitioner is at least somewhat comfortable on his feet and would be able to do just enough to avoid punches and go for the single or double. bottom line, MMA is well rounded, boxers are great at punching and foot work but not take down defense.
 its like a track star who has blazing speed who is faster than the entire football team while running in a straight line, but when he tries out for the team he cant run routs properly and gets blanketed by the average DB.
Title: Re: SPOILER: Crocop Vs Gonzaga
Post by: Scimowser on April 23, 2007, 02:09:32 PM
has he beaten the best in the world or has he beaten the best in PRIDE? My whole point is you can't rank people in different orginizations above other people from other orginizations. If you do you get CroCop's head handed to him on a platter. I watched the fight and he was beaten to a pulp. Looked defenseless against the elbow on the ground. Did nothing to escape or advance. And made a huge mistake in dropping his arm, looked lazy like he expected a cakewalk. Is that because every fanboy out there is telling him how great he is and how he's #2 in the world, not just PRIDE, but the world.

Plain and simple. to me he looked awful, got his asswhipped, even before the head kick. But hey he's #2 in the world right? ::)

so i suppose Jeff Lacy was "that" good before the Calzaghe fight too eh!  ::) you havent got a clue what youre talking about mate, if you knew anything at all you would have realised that the real Mirko wasnt even in that fight. But sure, judge him on 1 performance and say hes shit by all means. Youll just look like a right arsehole
Title: Re: SPOILER: Crocop Vs Gonzaga
Post by: hangclean on April 23, 2007, 03:10:03 PM
In case anyone doesnt know, Dailymotion has all the UFC fights because of it being a French website.  The videos on youtube get taken down after like an hour.
Title: Re: SPOILER: Crocop Vs Gonzaga
Post by: Earl1972 on April 23, 2007, 03:23:00 PM
just saw on sportscenter that this knockout was like number 8 on some top hits list for the week in sports

I guess mma is becoming more "legit" :-\

E
Title: Re: SPOILER: Crocop Vs Gonzaga
Post by: chaos on April 23, 2007, 09:35:41 PM
so i suppose Jeff Lacy was "that" good before the Calzaghe fight too eh!  ::) you havent got a clue what youre talking about mate, if you knew anything at all you would have realised that the real Mirko wasnt even in that fight. But sure, judge him on 1 performance and say hes shit by all means. Youll just look like a right arsehole
you're right arsehole, I will judge him on this one performance because this one performance is what is being debated. He looked like shit, he was out of place, and didn't know what to do on his back, took a shitload of elbows. And if "the real Mirko" was that good, then he should be that good at every fight, right? Maybe he had an off day, whatever, he got whipped, face it. I don't give a shit about any fighters rep, only what he does in the fight. Mirko was pumped up as the greatest by guys like you without taking into effect that he's now fighting in the UFC with different rules, and different opponents.
Title: Re: SPOILER: Crocop Vs Gonzaga
Post by: Thin Lizzy on April 23, 2007, 10:19:51 PM
IMO, we're all gonna look back and realize that we underestimated Gonzaga. This is a solid 240 pounder who can kick, punch and is a black belt in
bjj.

Mirko didn't get punished on the ground because he was off. He got punished because he couldn't handle the bigger, stronger Gonazaga's top game. Even without the fence, what was crocop gonna do from the bottom? Hold on for dear life and hope the fight gets stood up. That's about it.

We're so used to seeing bjj guys playing bottom guard. Finally, there's a bjj guy big and strong enough to play top.
Title: Re: CroCOp Knocked out and twists his ankle 180 degrees!!!!!!
Post by: Bluto on April 24, 2007, 04:27:19 AM
good topic. spoiler. and no mod changing it.

maybe its time for some new mods on this place? ill suggest it to ron.
Title: Re: SPOILER: Crocop Vs Gonzaga
Post by: MindSpin on April 24, 2007, 07:25:53 AM
IMO, we're all gonna look back and realize that we underestimated Gonzaga. This is a solid 240 pounder who can kick, punch and is a black belt in
bjj.

Mirko didn't get punished on the ground because he was off. He got punished because he couldn't handle the bigger, stronger Gonazaga's top game. Even without the fence, what was crocop gonna do from the bottom? Hold on for dear life and hope the fight gets stood up. That's about it.

We're so used to seeing bjj guys playing bottom guard. Finally, there's a bjj guy big and strong enough to play top.

I agree...


So what is going to happen with Gonzaga vs. Randy?

BTW - the next fight I want to see is Vera vs. Arlovski!
Title: Re: CroCOp Knocked out and twists his ankle 180 degrees!!!!!!
Post by: BEAST 8692 on April 24, 2007, 07:54:32 AM
I'll have to agree with you; on their feet, a boxer wins. Too bad for boxers that in 'no rules' fight, a boxer would get his ass kicked big time. I'd like to congratulate all top boxers for being some of the most over paid athletes in the world; boxing is obviously going down the drain these days. When Tyson was on the top, there was no doubt who the bext boxer is. Now, the general public has no f'ing clue.

I love the fact how boxing fans come to MMA threads telling how good boxers are. MMA is going to replace boxing as the top fighting sport. So, enjoy your dying sport for a little while.

P.S. for those who wonder how a top boxer would do in a MMA fight, see this video


'art zimmerson' who the fuck is art zimmerson?

some punch drunk lunatic that was stupid enough to enter the octagon against royce gracie with one hand covered in a fucking boxing glove.

zimmerson wasn't a boxer, he was a clown. they probably told him the gig was at a rodeo.
Title: Re: SPOILER: Crocop Vs Gonzaga
Post by: BEAST 8692 on April 24, 2007, 08:03:02 AM
gonzaga came out of left field. i have never even seen this man before.

one thing for sure though and that is he brings it (and the kitchen sink too).

he was in no way intimidated by mirko. in fact he looked like he was champing at the bit to get it on.

gonzaga is a young strong bull and randy has been beaten by this type of beast a few times. i don't think randy should be fighting at this weight but his experience and calmness under pressure is second to none. we'll see.
Title: Re: SPOILER: Crocop Vs Gonzaga
Post by: Milos_Sarcev on April 24, 2007, 08:58:34 AM
After giving a credit where credit is do - to Gonzaga who really did phenomenal job on Saturday - I would like to mention that CRO COP (Mirko Filipovic) is still one of the most feared MMA fighters.

At times when everyone wanted to see Liddel - Silva match and most predicting demolition of the "Ice Man" by the "Axe Murderer" - Cro Cop completely dominated Silva - beating him with just as devastating HK as we saw last Saturday.
Same evening Mirko managed to beat Josh Barnett (for the third consecutive time) - man who defeated Mark Hunt and Antonio Nogeira on the way to finals...(and has numerous other victories over other formidable opponents...like Randy Couture...)

So, one bad day...a single loss - and some of you see Cro Cop finished?
Think again...UFC didn't signed him for - nothing...
Dana White recruited him from Pride - as THE MOST EXCITING fighter everyone wants to see...


I am convinced that "lightning would not strike twice" - as what just happened in Manchester was/is just a "freak of nature"...
No, I am not looking for excuses for Mirko...and I would not want to call his loss "an ACCIDENT" - but I am sure that combination of unfortunate circumstances caused Mirko's temporary lack of focus which (especially in the ring) could result in devastation of the worst kind.

Simply – it could have happened to anyone...
While I appreciate his comment: “kako sam se borio tako sam I prosao” [I got what I deserved] – I believe he just wanted to take the full responsibility – without looking for excuses or reasons why he lost…
Classy – as always.

For those of us who follow his career and appreciate his style of fighting (counter-puncher and conservative but super accurate striker who carefully chooses and times his attacks) – we know that even though he attempted only few punches and a single kick – at any moment he could have released barrage of deadly strikes and end the fight in his favor. We were all waiting for it and those few seconds in the first round when all of us expected  SOMETHING to happen - Gonzaga surprised us all – I am sure Mirko was the most surprised of all…Oh well…Life goes on.

Like I (or rather “Rocky”) said: champions are able to take punches and continue to move foreword – and Mirko did just that way too many times…and he’ll do it again…and this time (I have a feeling) – better than ever.


I am just somewhat concerned about Mirko’s last interview in which he admits that he had enough of traveling, training, fighting, waking up early…and everything else he needs to do to live the lifestyle of the premier MMA fighter in the world.

I feel the saturation and I am sure that thoughts of his early retirement occasionally come to his mind…but I believe that he will continue (doing what he loves the most) – for many years to come.

They say: “once a competitor – always competitor (especially a fighter)”…and it all boils down to: he doesn’t do it for the money (off course money is added bonus) or because he has to…but because he loves it and he wants it.

Believe me – I know.

Title: Re: SPOILER: Crocop Vs Gonzaga
Post by: Petrucci on April 24, 2007, 09:21:43 AM
After giving a credit where credit is do - to Gonzaga who really did phenomenal job on Saturday - I would like to mention that CRO COP (Mirko Filipovic) is still one of the most feared MMA fighters.

At times when everyone wanted to see Liddel - Silva match and most predicting demolition of the "Ice Man" by the "Axe Murderer" - Cro Cop completely dominated Silva - beating him with just as devastating HK as we saw last Saturday.
Same evening Mirko managed to beat Josh Barnett (for the third consecutive time) - man who defeated Mark Hunt and Antonio Nogeira on the way to finals...(and has numerous other victories over other formidable opponents...like Randy Couture...)

So, one bad day...a single loss - and some of you see Cro Cop finished?
Think again...UFC didn't signed him for - nothing...
Dana White recruited him from Pride - as THE MOST EXCITING fighter everyone wants to see...


I am convinced that "lightning would not strike twice" - as what just happened in Manchester was/is just a "freak of nature"...
No, I am not looking for excuses for Mirko...and I would not want to call his loss "an ACCIDENT" - but I am sure that combination of unfortunate circumstances caused Mirko's temporary lack of focus which (especially in the ring) could result in devastation of the worst kind.

Simply – it could have happened to anyone...
While I appreciate his comment: “kako sam se borio tako sam I prosao” [I got what I deserved] – I believe he just wanted to take the full responsibility – without looking for excuses or reasons why he lost…
Classy – as always.

For those of us who follow his career and appreciate his style of fighting (counter-puncher and conservative but super accurate striker who carefully chooses and times his attacks) – we know that even though he attempted only few punches and a single kick – at any moment he could have released barrage of deadly strikes and end the fight in his favor. We were all waiting for it and those few seconds in the first round when all of us expected  SOMETHING to happen - Gonzaga surprised us all – I am sure Mirko was the most surprised of all…Oh well…Life goes on.

Like I (or rather “Rocky”) said: champions are able to take punches and continue to move foreword – and Mirko did just that way too many times…and he’ll do it again…and this time (I have a feeling) – better than ever.


I am just somewhat concerned about Mirko’s last interview in which he admits that he had enough of traveling, training, fighting, waking up early…and everything else he needs to do to live the lifestyle of the premier MMA fighter in the world.

I feel the saturation and I am sure that thoughts of his early retirement occasionally come to his mind…but I believe that he will continue (doing what he loves the most) – for many years to come.

They say: “once a competitor – always competitor (especially a fighter)”…and it all boils down to: he doesn’t do it for the money (off course money is added bonus) or because he has to…but because he loves it and he wants it.

Believe me – I know.



for sure milos. Cro Cop has the hability to overcome this loss and come even better (as he did all the other times he lost). It was just that his focus was WAY OFF, and its really noticiable even when he was being announced on the fight. Two fights ago he was crowned the Pride GP champion if im not mistake so its really strange he did get lets say 'lazy' or out of concentration in just so little time...
 I think he had the fight for granted...thinking it would be easy...thats probably whats consuming him the most, specially the way he lost, because it was his most brutal ko i think (worse than Randleman´s...) Lets just hope it doesnt affect his psycological side
 Everyone is shocked ...first because he lost that way, second because he WAS acting that way on the fight, wich is even worse...Completely irrecognizable
Title: Re: SPOILER: Crocop Vs Gonzaga
Post by: Scimowser on April 24, 2007, 09:44:57 AM
you're right arsehole, I will judge him on this one performance because this one performance is what is being debated. He looked like shit, he was out of place, and didn't know what to do on his back, took a shitload of elbows. And if "the real Mirko" was that good, then he should be that good at every fight, right? Maybe he had an off day, whatever, he got whipped, face it. I don't give a shit about any fighters rep, only what he does in the fight. Mirko was pumped up as the greatest by guys like you without taking into effect that he's now fighting in the UFC with different rules, and different opponents.

Yeah he had an off night, but you made an attempt to belittle him with your remarks. Nobody really expected that performance from him, its the worst he has ever fought in MMA and he rightfully lost to the far far better man on the night. HOWEVER he is still head and shoulders above anyone else the UFC has to offer right now with the exception of Nog, and that would be a hell of a fight if both guys were on. He will come back from this and i think this will cause him to train properly for his next fight. Im thinking that he could now face off against Arlovski or Vera depending on how long he is out. 2 fights from now he gets his title shot. Hell Randleman knocked him out early and he came back to go on a rampage through the Pride HW division.
Title: Re: CroCOp Knocked out and twists his ankle 180 degrees!!!!!!
Post by: cheeksmaliod on April 24, 2007, 09:50:49 AM
Nah, you can watch it all you want.  That's your RIGHT as a human-being. 

Boxers or boxing fans just laugh at you.  These guys would last about 10 seconds on their feet with a world class puncher and all you UFC morons know it.

I know that the UFC appeals to guys who've never had any athletic ability on their own, who've never boxed, who want to wear their tap-out gear around the gym thinking they are bad-asses, but, I assure you, REAL WORLD FIGHTERS freaking LAUGH at the UFC.  ONE good strike and any of those clowns are done with.  You all know it's true and we (boxing fans) know it's true, also. 

However, the UFC embrasses a LOT of the general public...guys who've never been a DAMN THING in their life.  These idiots who currently roll around at their gym working on technique and position are enough to make ANYONE LAUGH. 

The best fighters in the WORLD are boxing and earing $10,000,000 per pay per view.  Inferior wannabes who could not CUT IT IN BOXING are making all you UFC watchers happy.  Hell, simply minds work alike.  I can see how all you narrow-minded simpletons like the UFC.  Those out of shape clowns are doing something that you idiots feel you can connect with them during.

You all are sad individuals.  Once you get past living through your currect MMA favorite, get off your ASS and get in shape at your local gym.  You are all a damn disgrace.

Bud not  to burst your bubble but ufc will surpass boxing in terms of prize money and popularity very shortly.  Want to know something else kickboxers laugh at boxers all the time as well, I mean seriously who only fights with half of there body.  and MMA is just the evolution of all forms of fighting, too say ufc fighters are out of shape is just stupid, go say that to matt hughes or tito ortiz face
Title: Re: SPOILER: Crocop Vs Gonzaga
Post by: Faust on April 24, 2007, 09:56:30 AM
This sucks. I admit, i like Crocop. I like his attitude and style.
One thing is certain, his fights are always very interesting.

It will be hard to come back, twisting your leg like that can really fuck it up for a long time. Trust me, i know.
And with the power he kicks ...
Plus he'll have to find that edge back mentally. He always comes off as a friendly guy, family man who loves his kid, dog, friends.
Title: Re: SPOILER: Crocop Vs Gonzaga
Post by: Thin Lizzy on April 24, 2007, 10:05:50 AM
I agree...


So what is going to happen with Gonzaga vs. Randy?



I'd bet Gonzaga by ref stoppage.
Title: Re: SPOILER: Crocop Vs Gonzaga
Post by: Petrucci on April 24, 2007, 10:14:23 AM
This sucks. I admit, i like Crocop. I like his attitude and style.
One thing is certain, his fights are always very interesting.

It will be hard to come back, twisting your leg like that can really fuck it up for a long time. Trust me, i know.
And with the power he kicks ...
Plus he'll have to find that edge back mentally. He always comes off as a friendly guy, family man who loves his kid, dog, friends.
at least it wasnt his left leg wich is his trademark...he dont use the right so often
Title: Re: SPOILER: Crocop Vs Gonzaga
Post by: smoothasf on April 24, 2007, 02:51:30 PM
if crocop- had won this and went to fight randy i would have put my money on randy, im a huge pride fan however, randys head movement is awesome, and a lot quicker than mirko jabs, he would easily take mirko down and dominate him on the floor of the cage. mirko is a ring fighter k1 and pride suit him perfectly.
the cage is for randy, nog, fedor and chuck
Title: Re: SPOILER: Crocop Vs Gonzaga
Post by: chaos on April 24, 2007, 08:02:43 PM
Yeah he had an off night, but you made an attempt to belittle him with your remarks.  Nobody really expected that performance from him, its the worst he has ever fought in MMA and he rightfully lost to the far far better man on the night. HOWEVER he is still head and shoulders above anyone else the UFC has to offer right now with the exception of Nog, and that would be a hell of a fight if both guys were on. He will come back from this and i think this will cause him to train properly for his next fight. Im thinking that he could now face off against Arlovski or Vera depending on how long he is out. 2 fights from now he gets his title shot. Hell Randleman knocked him out early and he came back to go on a rampage through the Pride HW division.

AHHHHHHH, this is where we missed each other. I'm not trying to belittle him, I'm trying to belittle the people who ran their mouths nonstop about how great he is. ;)

He is a fighter and I have no doubt he will come back. This isn't his first loss is it?
I hope he does go on a rampage through UFC, but I hope some people will realize that you cannot judge a man on what he's done in a different orginization.

No harm, no foul :D
Title: Re: SPOILER: Crocop Vs Gonzaga
Post by: Scimowser on April 25, 2007, 10:41:37 AM
very true, but he has destroyed former UFC champions - guys who were once thought untouchable and that is what be base it on.
Title: Re: SPOILER: Crocop Vs Gonzaga
Post by: Thin Lizzy on April 25, 2007, 03:55:22 PM
After giving a credit where credit is do - to Gonzaga who really did phenomenal job on Saturday - I would like to mention that CRO COP (Mirko Filipovic) is still one of the most feared MMA fighters.

At times when everyone wanted to see Liddel - Silva match and most predicting demolition of the "Ice Man" by the "Axe Murderer" - Cro Cop completely dominated Silva - beating him with just as devastating HK as we saw last Saturday.
Same evening Mirko managed to beat Josh Barnett (for the third consecutive time) - man who defeated Mark Hunt and Antonio Nogeira on the way to finals...(and has numerous other victories over other formidable opponents...like Randy Couture...)

So, one bad day...a single loss - and some of you see Cro Cop finished?
Think again...UFC didn't signed him for - nothing...
Dana White recruited him from Pride - as THE MOST EXCITING fighter everyone wants to see...


I am convinced that "lightning would not strike twice" - as what just happened in Manchester was/is just a "freak of nature"...
No, I am not looking for excuses for Mirko...and I would not want to call his loss "an ACCIDENT" - but I am sure that combination of unfortunate circumstances caused Mirko's temporary lack of focus which (especially in the ring) could result in devastation of the worst kind.



While I don't think Mirko is finished, I don't believe this loss was a result of lightening striking. Gonzaga, a 240lb version of Vanderlei Silva,  is a terrible matchup for Mirko. If they fight again, I give Mirko about a 10% punchers/kickers chance of winning. Otherwise, the fight goes to the ground, and an overmatched Mirko gets pounded again.



Title: Re: SPOILER: Crocop Vs Gonzaga
Post by: Earl1972 on April 25, 2007, 04:22:54 PM
If they fight again, I give Mirko about a 10% punchers/kickers chance of winning. Otherwise, the fight goes to the ground, and an overmatched Mirko gets pounded again.





what did you think before the fight?

the fact of the matter is mirko took him lightly

watch the owgp fights against wandy and barnet, it was clear that he came to fight that day

he didn't do anything offensively until 2 munites into the gonzaga fight

E
Title: Re: SPOILER: Crocop Vs Gonzaga
Post by: Petrucci on April 26, 2007, 06:03:31 AM
what did you think before the fight?

the fact of the matter is mirko took him lightly

watch the owgp fights against wandy and barnet, it was clear that he came to fight that day

he didn't do anything offensively until 2 munites into the gonzaga fight

E

correcting, he did NOTHING!!! just one awfull kick and some half-ass punches...NOTHING!!!! he could AT LEAST pull a Tyson and keepin throwing his left leg in the air hoping for a 'one hit KO' it would be horrible but at least a lot more action of his part...
HE DIDNT DO ANYTHING...it was perfect for Napao...

Napao: fighting the fight of his life....prepared for the WORSE
Mirko: acting like a zombie from night of the living dead....

can you guys see the diference?
Title: Re: SPOILER: Crocop Vs Gonzaga
Post by: BEAST 8692 on April 26, 2007, 06:23:20 AM
correcting, he did NOTHING!!! just one awfull kick and some half-ass punches...NOTHING!!!! he could AT LEAST pull a Tyson and keepin throwing his left leg in the air hoping for a 'one hit KO' it would be horrible but at least a lot more action of his part...
HE DIDNT DO ANYTHING...it was perfect for Napao...

Napao: fighting the fight of his life....prepared for the WORSE
Mirko: acting like a zombie from night of the living dead....

can you guys see the diference?

hey, it happens.

it started going rapidly down hill after he threw the offence (kick).

mirko lacked focus somewhat, but the thing is, you lose focus in a bout you can lose big. you lose focus in a tennis match you lose a point or a set.

every great fighter has had moments like this, but unfortunately so much expectation was placed on mirko's shoulders. people seem to expect their fighters to be supermen and it just goes to show how fickle a lot of fight fans are.

i don't know what mirko will do in his future, but he has my highest respect no matter what.

if his heart is, indeed, no longer in it (he's been at it a long time) he will be true to himself and the fans. the man is a true warrior.
Title: Re: SPOILER: Crocop Vs Gonzaga
Post by: Petrucci on April 26, 2007, 06:34:58 AM
hey, it happens.

it started going rapidly down hill after he threw the offence (kick).

mirko lacked focus somewhat, but the thing is, you lose focus in a bout you can lose big. you lose focus in a tennis match you lose a point or a set.

every great fighter has had moments like this, but unfortunately so much expectation was placed on mirko's shoulders. people seem to expect their fighters to be supermen and it just goes to show how fickle a lot of fight fans are.

i don't know what mirko will do in his future, but he has my highest respect no matter what.

if his heart is, indeed, no longer in it (he's been at it a long time) he will be true to himself and the fans. the man is a true warrior.

i agree with you...its just that its diferent comparing to lets say the Fedor fight...he lost fighting it...this one not. Whats the most frustating its this fact
Title: Re: SPOILER: Crocop Vs Gonzaga
Post by: BEAST 8692 on April 26, 2007, 06:44:11 AM
i agree with you...its just that its diferent comparing to lets say the Fedor fight...he lost fighting it...this one not. Whats the most frustating its this fact

yeah, dunno. he is, as milos pointed out, a counter puncher. maybe he just waited too long, underestimated his opponent?

hard to say, but at the end of the day: good fight by gonzaga, bad day for mirko. it happens.
Title: Re: SPOILER: Crocop Vs Gonzaga
Post by: MindSpin on April 26, 2007, 07:51:39 AM
"it happes"...I agree.  But, Mirko was slated to be one of the monsters from Pride that was going to walk into the UFC and destroy everyone before taking the belt.  Not only did he not get through his 2nd fight, but he got knocked the fuck out by a kick to the head...a dose of his own medicine. 

I'm thinking he is no better caliber than a Paul Buentello...ha ha!





































jk ;D
Title: Re: SPOILER: Crocop Vs Gonzaga
Post by: BEAST 8692 on April 26, 2007, 11:31:05 AM
"it happes"...I agree.  But, Mirko was slated to be one of the monsters from Pride that was going to walk into the UFC and destroy everyone before taking the belt.  Not only did he not get through his 2nd fight, but he got knocked the fuck out by a kick to the head...a dose of his own medicine. 

I'm thinking he is no better caliber than a Paul Buentello...ha ha!





































jk ;D

yes, joe king, ha ha...

just remember, mirko wasn't the one saying he was going to walk in and 'destroy everyone'.

that was the dana white hype machine and all the big tough mma 'fans' that wouldn't be caught dead going into the octagon.

do you ever wonder why mirko can't wait to get on the next plane back to his war torn country when he's done fighting ??? think about it, the guy could live like a king in japan or u.s with all the beautiful women and toys he could wish for, but he can't wait to get the fuck out like he's suffocating or something.

that's because he is, in bullshit. now he's stuck in a contract with dana white and he is only just starting to realize how stupid a move this was. there is far more bullshit/hype and he can't get out of it.

so you must excuse him for having a bad night.

when a tennis player has a bad night he may lose a game, set or the match but he walks away unscathed.

when a fighter has a bad night he gets all kinds of shit beaten out of him and cops another flogging from the 'fans'. ::)

yet the 'fans' would have a heart attack if they even thought they had to walk from the changeroom to the octagon.

tell me mindspin are you an 'mma fighter' too like guy grunde?
funny how so may mma fighters and none of them have ever had a fight ??? (including guy of course, but then he's waiting for a big pay day ::))

if a guy (no pun) said he was a really hot tennis player, but only ever practised his forehand, serve, etc but never actually played tennis everyone would laugh their boxes off at him, but for some reason it's all right for a guy who turns up to 'mma classes' mon - thurs at 5pm and call himself a kick arse mma competitor that knows everything about fighting and what this/ that competitor should have done, etc, etc.

let you in on a little secret ;) guys like mirko laugh their boxes off at you too.







jk ;D
Title: Re: SPOILER: Crocop Vs Gonzaga
Post by: MindSpin on April 26, 2007, 12:20:31 PM
yes, joe king, ha ha...

just remember, mirko wasn't the one saying he was going to walk in and 'destroy everyone'.

that was the dana white hype machine and all the big tough mma 'fans' that wouldn't be caught dead going into the octagon.

do you ever wonder why mirko can't wait to get on the next plane back to his war torn country when he's done fighting ??? think about it, the guy could live like a king in japan or u.s with all the beautiful women and toys he could wish for, but he can't wait to get the fuck out like he's suffocating or something.

that's because he is, in bullshit. now he's stuck in a contract with dana white and he is only just starting to realize how stupid a move this was. there is far more bullshit/hype and he can't get out of it.

so you must excuse him for having a bad night.

when a tennis player has a bad night he may lose a game, set or the match but he walks away unscathed.

when a fighter has a bad night he gets all kinds of shit beaten out of him and cops another flogging from the 'fans'. ::)

yet the 'fans' would have a heart attack if they even thought they had to walk from the changeroom to the octagon.

tell me mindspin are you an 'mma fighter' too like guy grunde?
funny how so may mma fighters and none of them have ever had a fight ??? (including guy of course, but then he's waiting for a big pay day ::))

if a guy (no pun) said he was a really hot tennis player, but only ever practised his forehand, serve, etc but never actually played tennis everyone would laugh their boxes off at him, but for some reason it's all right for a guy who turns up to 'mma classes' mon - thurs at 5pm and call himself a kick arse mma competitor that knows everything about fighting and what this/ that competitor should have done, etc, etc.

let you in on a little secret ;) guys like mirko laugh their boxes off at you too.







jk ;D


meltdown ;D
Title: Re: SPOILER: Crocop Vs Gonzaga
Post by: Earl1972 on April 26, 2007, 12:25:41 PM
trust me he bought into his own hype

he goes to war with guys like fedor, noguira, and barnett

than gets knocked out by randleman ::)

E
Title: Re: SPOILER: Crocop Vs Gonzaga
Post by: BEAST 8692 on April 26, 2007, 12:39:32 PM
trust me he bought into his own hype

he goes to war with guys like fedor, noguira, and barnett

than gets knocked out by randleman ::)

E

so tell me what makes you think that mirko 'bought into his own hype'?
Title: Re: SPOILER: Crocop Vs Gonzaga
Post by: Earl1972 on April 26, 2007, 12:42:13 PM
so tell me what makes you think that mirko 'bought into his own hype'?

the fact that everybody was telling him that he would easily win the ufc heavyweight title

E
Title: Re: SPOILER: Crocop Vs Gonzaga
Post by: BEAST 8692 on April 26, 2007, 12:44:07 PM
the fact that everybody was telling him that he would easily win the ufc heavyweight title

E

yes, so how does this mean that mirko 'has bought into his own hype' ??
Title: Re: SPOILER: Crocop Vs Gonzaga
Post by: BEAST 8692 on April 26, 2007, 12:46:18 PM
meltdown ;D

yeah i know

just wanted an excuse to get that off my chest. ;D
Title: Re: CroCOp Knocked out and twists his ankle 180 degrees!!!!!!
Post by: bmacsys on April 26, 2007, 03:31:58 PM
Nah, you can watch it all you want.  That's your RIGHT as a human-being. 

Boxers or boxing fans just laugh at you.  These guys would last about 10 seconds on their feet with a world class puncher and all you UFC morons know it.

I know that the UFC appeals to guys who've never had any athletic ability on their own, who've never boxed, who want to wear their tap-out gear around the gym thinking they are bad-asses, but, I assure you, REAL WORLD FIGHTERS freaking LAUGH at the UFC.  ONE good strike and any of those clowns are done with.  You all know it's true and we (boxing fans) know it's true, also. 

However, the UFC embrasses a LOT of the general public...guys who've never been a DAMN THING in their life.  These idiots who currently roll around at their gym working on technique and position are enough to make ANYONE LAUGH. 

The best fighters in the WORLD are boxing and earing $10,000,000 per pay per view.  Inferior wannabes who could not CUT IT IN BOXING are making all you UFC watchers happy.  Hell, simply minds work alike.  I can see how all you narrow-minded simpletons like the UFC.  Those out of shape clowns are doing something that you idiots feel you can connect with them during.

You all are sad individuals.  Once you get past living through your currect MMA favorite, get off your ASS and get in shape at your local gym.  You are all a damn disgrace.


Very few boxers make $10,000,000 paydays. The highest paid boxers today aren't making the money Tyson or Holyfield made in the late 80's early 90's. That tells you something. The publics interest in boxing is waning.
Title: Re: SPOILER: Crocop Vs Gonzaga
Post by: Earl1972 on April 26, 2007, 04:44:05 PM
yes, so how does this mean that mirko 'has bought into his own hype' ??

the fact that he admitted to having no gameplan when going into the fight

same thing with the sanchez fight

now if he fought fedor do you really think he wouldn't have had a gameplan?

E
Title: Re: SPOILER: Crocop Vs Gonzaga
Post by: BEAST 8692 on April 27, 2007, 05:41:16 AM
the fact that he admitted to having no gameplan when going into the fight

same thing with the sanchez fight

now if he fought fedor do you really think he wouldn't have had a gameplan?

E

wtf are you talking about ???

this does not indicate in any way whatsoever that mirko 'bought into his own hype'.

just admit that you were talking out of your arse to begin with and we'll leave it there.
Title: Re: SPOILER: Crocop Vs Gonzaga
Post by: Earl1972 on April 27, 2007, 11:49:07 AM
wtf are you talking about ???

this does not indicate in any way whatsoever that mirko 'bought into his own hype'.

just admit that you were talking out of your arse to begin with and we'll leave it there.

you are an idiot ::)

any smart fighter has a gameplan when THEY ARE FIGHTING SOMEBODY THEY FEEL CAN BEAT THEM

he admitted to not having a gameplan, THAT WOULD MEAN HE DIDN'T THINK HE HAD A CHANCE OF LOSING TO SOME NOBODY NAMED "GABRIEL"

for him to even talk about "gameplans" that would mean that he often fights with a GAMEPLAN

now tell me he didn't have a game plan when he fought fedor ::)

I doubt he had a gameplan when he fought minowa

why?  BECAUSE HE THOUGHT HE HAD NO CHANCE OF LOSING

no need for a gameplan when everybody including your grandma tells you that you will easily win, therefore YOU BUY INTO YOUR OWN HYPE

that should clear things up 8)

E
Title: Re: SPOILER: Crocop Vs Gonzaga
Post by: BEAST 8692 on April 27, 2007, 08:24:40 PM
you are an idiot ::)

any smart fighter has a gameplan when THEY ARE FIGHTING SOMEBODY THEY FEEL CAN BEAT THEM

he admitted to not having a gameplan, THAT WOULD MEAN HE DIDN'T THINK HE HAD A CHANCE OF LOSING TO SOME NOBODY NAMED "GABRIEL"

for him to even talk about "gameplans" that would mean that he often fights with a GAMEPLAN

now tell me he didn't have a game plan when he fought fedor ::)

I doubt he had a gameplan when he fought minowa

why?  BECAUSE HE THOUGHT HE HAD NO CHANCE OF LOSING

no need for a gameplan when everybody including your grandma tells you that you will easily win, therefore YOU BUY INTO YOUR OWN HYPE

that should clear things up 8)

E

keep trying then dick head because none of that indicates that mirko bought into the hype.

he is not some novice starry eyed flash in the pan that's never been hyped before. the guy is about as opposite to hype as you can get and still is.

the reason he didn't have a game plan is because the guy just couldn't focus or clear his mind because of all the bullshit going on around him. he was trying to escape the hype if anything.

the fact is, every athlete loses focus now and then, especially when they've been in the game as long as mirko. unfortunately, for a fighter the consequences can be a little more brutal, but that's what makes fighting such a great sport (challenge).



Title: Re: SPOILER: Crocop Vs Gonzaga
Post by: realkarateblackbelt on April 28, 2007, 12:54:17 AM
As soon as I saw them both in the ring I had a bad feeling about it.

I noticed that Gonzaga was huge compared to Cro Cop (dare I say a beast!) and looked like he had the skill and speed to match. The look in his eyes said this is a man that knows Crop Cops style and is well prepared to avoid the infamous left roundhouse. Cro Cop was completely outmuscled and out wrestled. He was taking elbow shots that would have stopped the fight if this was Tito vs. Kenny 4. Brutal stuff. And that kick!!!! OMG. Who would have guessed? Lightning fast for a man that size. The worst ownage in a long time.
Title: Re: SPOILER: Crocop Vs Gonzaga
Post by: Earl1972 on April 28, 2007, 05:26:36 PM
keep trying then dick head because none of that indicates that mirko bought into the hype.

he is not some novice starry eyed flash in the pan that's never been hyped before. the guy is about as opposite to hype as you can get and still is.

the reason he didn't have a game plan is because the guy just couldn't focus or clear his mind because of all the bullshit going on around him. he was trying to escape the hype if anything.

the fact is, every athlete loses focus now and then, especially when they've been in the game as long as mirko. unfortunately, for a fighter the consequences can be a little more brutal, but that's what makes fighting such a great sport (challenge).





and where does your proof of this come from ::)

I thought I was the one talking out of my ass hahaha

i'm sure there was no "bullshit" around him when he was preparing for the fedor fight which many dubbed the super bowl of mma ::)

you just don't want to admit that I owned you fool :)

E
Title: Re: SPOILER: Crocop Vs Gonzaga
Post by: BEAST 8692 on April 28, 2007, 10:37:36 PM
and where does your proof of this come from ::)

I thought I was the one talking out of my ass hahaha

i'm sure there was no "bullshit" around him when he was preparing for the fedor fight which many dubbed the super bowl of mma ::)

you just don't want to admit that I owned you fool :)

E

lol, you don't know when to walk away do you?

i'll try and make this very simple for you, k.

YOU ASSERTED THAT MIRKO BOUGHT INTO THE HYPE.

I CALLED YOU ON IT.

YOU'VE BEEN BACK PEDALLING EVER SINCE.

how's that? maybe i can draw pictures for you.
Title: Re: SPOILER: Crocop Vs Gonzaga
Post by: Earl1972 on April 29, 2007, 08:45:34 AM
lol, you don't know when to walk away do you?

i'll try and make this very simple for you, k.

YOU ASSERTED THAT MIRKO BOUGHT INTO THE HYPE.

I CALLED YOU ON IT.

YOU'VE BEEN BACK PEDALLING EVER SINCE.

how's that? maybe i can draw pictures for you.

backpeddeling hahahaha

I backpeddle from nothing sweetheart 8)

I asserted it BECAUSE HE DID ::)

yes please draw these pictures for me, when i was in elementary school the retards always drew cool looking pictures :D

E
Title: Re: SPOILER: Crocop Vs Gonzaga
Post by: BEAST 8692 on April 29, 2007, 08:49:59 AM
I asserted it BECAUSE HE DID

this is what i called you on.

so while we're here please tell me what actions or words mirko made that indicated that he was buying into the hype?

k, you can continue backpedalling now... ::)
Title: Re: SPOILER: Crocop Vs Gonzaga
Post by: Earl1972 on April 29, 2007, 01:36:24 PM
I asserted it BECAUSE HE DID

this is what i called you on.

so while we're here please tell me what actions or words mirko made that indicated that he was buying into the hype?

k, you can continue backpedalling now... ::)

he said he had no gameplan CAN'T YOU READ?

who goes into a BIG FIGHT without a gameplan?

he had no gameplan because he didn't think it was possible he'd lose

now where is you proof that he DIDN'T buy into his own hype since you want to play this stupid game ::)

also I don't think you know what the word "backpeddling" means because nothing I said would make it seem like I was "backpeddling"

did you just learn that word and think that it sounded cool? :-\

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Title: Re: SPOILER: Crocop Vs Gonzaga
Post by: BEAST 8692 on April 29, 2007, 08:40:11 PM
he said he had no gameplan CAN'T YOU READ?

who goes into a BIG FIGHT without a gameplan?

he had no gameplan because he didn't think it was possible he'd lose

now where is you proof that he DIDN'T buy into his own hype since you want to play this stupid game ::)

also I don't think you know what the word "backpeddling" means because nothing I said would make it seem like I was "backpeddling"

did you just learn that word and think that it sounded cool? :-\

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so you're saying that he had no game plan and therefore must have bought into all the hype ???

you're assuming he bought into the hype because he had no game plan? that's your "trust me i know" info ???

the fact that the man couldn't clear his head and get focused because of all the hype didn't occurr to you?

ok, i think we're done here. thanks.