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Victims of attack share their story
Crime: 10 arrested after attack on Halloween; $2,500 reward offered for information about other suspects still at large.
By Tracy Manzer, Staff writer
Article Launched: 11/03/2006 10:52:39 PM PST
LONG BEACH - Several suspects including at least three men who savagely beat three young women in a horrific hate crime attack Halloween night remained at large Friday.
The three victims - two of whom are 19 and the third 21 - agreed to sit down with a Press-Telegram reporter and discuss the painful attack in the hope that someone who knows the culprits will turn them in to police.
The young women asked to be identified by only their first names of Laura, Michelle and Lauren because they and their families fear for their safety. The assault, they said, was so savage they thank God they are alive.
`A pack of hyenas'
The victims - along with throngs of other people - had gone to the 3800 block of Linden Avenue around 9:30 p.m. for a popular Halloween block party. As they walked up to an elaborate haunted house, they said, a group of about a dozen males began taunting them.
"They asked us, `Are you down with it?,' we had no idea what that meant so we didn't say anything and just walked by them up to the haunted house," said Laura, "They were grabbing their crotches - we didn't know if it was a gang thing or what."
After making their way through a maze at the house, the
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three girls said they were back in the same spot where they were confronted and next to the same guys, who again taunted them. Still saying nothing, the three victims tried to walk away but were pelted with lemons and small pumpkins that split the seams on their costumes and left lumps and bruises on their bodies.
The taunts and jeers grew more aggressive, the victims recalled, as did the size of the crowd. Now females joined in, and everyone began saying "We hate white people, f--- whites!"
At this point, the girls began to run, but the pack of assailants ran ahead of them and kept them surrounded.
"It was like animals, like a pack of hyenas," Michelle said.
She was trying to call 911 on her cell phone when the taunts began, but kept getting busy signals. She tried three times to call, she said, but never got through to an operator.
The suspects also began to gradually separate the girls, first by grabbing Laura by her long hair and yanking her backward.
She said she tried to fight off a group of girls who surrounded her and were clawing and hitting her, but then a man came up and slammed her in the head with a skateboard, knocking her unconscious.
"One of the witnesses told the police that he saw my legs go straight up in the air and I hit the ground face first," she said, accounting for the bumps and bruises on her forehead and around her nose and eyes.
Her friends watched, horrified as the man raised the skateboard over his head and slammed her again as she lay on the ground. Others in the pack also began to hit and kick her motionless body.
Fearing their friend would be killed, the other two girls rushed to her aid.
Saved by a Samaritan
Lauren was the first at Laura's side, and a group of people immediately jumped on her and began punching her in the face and back of the head simultaneously. Some kicked her in the back of knees, causing her legs to buckle. At one point, when they got her cell phone away from her, Lauren said she knelt down to try and retrieve the phone.
"Once I knelt down, there was too much of a force on top of me to get back up," she said. "They were pounding on my back, on my head. ... They were kicking at the ball that was me."
Lauren suffered 12 fractures in her face, including four to her eye socket, three to her nose and three to her cheek.
Doctors don't yet know if she will regain all of her eyesight. Until the swelling goes down, they won't know if she'll require surgery to repair the many broken bones.
Forced to drop her college photography classes this semester because she cannot see well enough to use the camera, Lauren also can't blow her nose or sleep lying down. The pressure, doctors told her, could cause any of the fractured bones to shift, which could lead to her eye becoming detached from the shattered socket.
Michelle said she saw the group drag Lauren down as she rushed up and knocked the man with the skateboard off Laura. But then he then turned on her, punching her in both sides of her face and in the ribs.
Her face, like Lauren's and Laura's, is bruised and swollen. The lining that surrounds her lungs is also bruised.
As the man beat on Michelle, Laura regained consciousness and tried to pull him off her friend. But others in the pack immediately began to hammer at her again, she said.
She, like Lauren, suffered a concussion as well as multiple contusions. The lumps and marks on the back of her head and her back show where she was stomped, kicked and punched as she lay on the ground.
In all, the attack lasted about 10 minutes, and it ended only when a Good Samaritan driving by the melee stopped and physically blocked the battered girls bodies while yanking the assailants off the victims.
Maybe because he was also black, or because he was so tall and strong, the group broke up and scattered to several cars and fled, the victims said.
"If it wasn't for that guy, honestly, I don't think these two would be here today," Michelle said.
Shortly after the attack, police arrested 10 juveniles on a charge of felony hate crimes, including counts for assault with a deadly weapon, battery and robbery.
Some of the 10 youths - nine girls and one boy ranging in age from 12 to 17 - were found wearing the victim's earrings - which were ripped from their flesh - and had Lauren's cell phone.
Others still at large
The victims were able to identify all 10 but said there are several others who participated who remain at large. They estimated that at least 25 people took part in the attack, while witnesses who live on the block told police the crowd looked to have between 30 and 40 people.
"I heard these thumping sounds and all these people yelling "F--- whites, f--- whites!" said one resident who witnessed the attack.
She spoke on condition of anonymity, fearing the assailants might return to her neighborhood and attack her and other witnesses.
"I have such mixed feelings," she added. "I'm so ashamed that I didn't try to run out there and stop them, but it was terrifying."
"I've never seen anything like that in my life," she added. "I can't even describe it. I'm still terrified."
She said she called 911, along with several of her neighbors, and screamed frantically for help as a dispatcher tried to calm her down. North Division officers found the 10 youths not far from the scene of the crime in a grocery store parking lot.
One girl's mother said she doesn't blame witnesses who were too frightened to intervene.
And she and the other mothers said over and over how grateful they are to the man who saved their daughters' lives.
"I can't imagine," Barbara said, her eyes shining with tears. "I can't imagine anyone doing that to another human being, or even an animal."
Now the mothers are working with police and imploring the district attorney's office to prosecute the youths as adults and to seek the harshest sentences possible. They have raised $2,500 for a reward fund so far, and are taking more donations in the hope it will spur someone to turn those responsible in to authorities.
Most of all, the girls and their mothers want the three men - who appeared to be in their early 20s - to be arrested.
A team of detectives have been assigned to the case, and the police response has the victims and their families confident that the men will soon be found.
Anyone with information about the suspects or the incident is urged to call police at the Youth Services Division, at (562) 570-1426, or Violent Crimes Division, at (562) 570-7250.
"Anything anyone can do, please help," said one of the mothers. "These people ... they don't belong in society."
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Pretty crazy to hear the comments the black families made at the trial to the white victims and the media.
"Most victims of race crime—about 90 per cent—are white, according to the survey "Highlights from 20 Years of Surveying Crime Victims", published in 1993."
"Blacks thus committed 7.5 times more violent inter-racial crimes than whites even though the black population is only one-seventh the size of the white population. When these figures are adjusted on a per capita basis, they reveal an extraordinary disparity: blacks are committing more than 50 times the number of violent racial crimes of whites."
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Hmmm...makes you wonder why. Being poor or underprivileged (although there are more poor whites in the US) does not account for violent tendencies nor should it EVER make it an excuse.
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yeah this was just finished up....the punishment for beateing three white girls?
probation and house arrest...
what the fuck?????
who was there to defend those girls rights???? Oh wait that would be racism to call for a stricter punishment against those blacks.
And they were all cinvicted of HATE crimes for the beating.
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If twenty of my friends went and pummled the shit out of three black kids I would not be back on Getbig talking about race crimes ever again. That sucks. ;D
Seriously though, another example of the double standard and seeing blacks as a protected race. At least the dude who got dragged behind a car was a child molester. These were three innocent girls getting beat on because Tanisha, Tyrone and their friends were pissed that white girls got money and they don't. Is that a reason to almost kill someone? I see black girls giving my gf the devil eye at all the nice shit I've bought her. Pathetic.
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I guess you could say the same about all white males, since a few of them murdered a guy by tying him to the back of a car and driving till he was decapitated (old story)? Is it safe for a black man to walk the streets of Texas? [sarcasm]
Third Defendant Is Convicted In Dragging Death
in Texas
REUTERS
ASPER, Tex. -- A Texas jury found a man guilty of capital murder today but spared him from execution for helping drag a black man to death in one of the grisliest racial killings in recent American history.
The defendant, Shawn Allen Berry, the last of three white men to be tried in the case, was sentenced to life in prison. The two other men have been sentenced to death.
The jury of seven women and five men, all white, deliberated about 10 hours before reaching its verdict. It then heard more testimony before taking two hours to decide Berry's punishment. He must serve at least 40 years in prison before he has a chance of parole.
After the verdict was read, Berry, 24, comforted his weeping girlfriend, Christi Marcontell.
Prosecutors said Berry was one of three men who killed James Byrd, 49, on June 7, 1998, by chaining him to Berry's pickup truck and dragging him near Jasper. The other men were John William King and Lawrence Russell Brewer.
King and Brewer murdered Byrd, prosecutors said, because they were avowed racists who had joined a white supremacist gang in prison and wore racist tattoos. Berry was not known to share their beliefs, but probably joined in for the thrill, they said.
In the punishment phase, nine people testified that Berry did not meet the death-penalty test of being a future threat to society.
The jury announced it would have no comment. But a statement read in court by the jury foreman said, "We stand together as a group."
King, 25, and Brewer, 32, were convicted after separate trials this year. They are appealing.
Berry, the manager of a local movie theater, testified on Tuesday that King and Brewer had decided to attack Byrd after Berry, drinking beer and driving around town with the other two, offered him a ride.
Berry said he had tried to intervene when King and Brewer began the beating, but froze in fear when King told him that the same thing would happen to anyone who loved blacks. He watched while Byrd was killed, he said.
But prosecutors said that Berry had Byrd's blood on his clothes and that he might have been driving the truck while Byrd was being dragged.
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He was a child molester recently released from prison. That is why black community never really made a stink about it. Plus, that was 3 on 1, not 30 on 3.
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PEOPLE SUCK IN GENERAL I GREW UP IN A VERY ITALIAN AREA IN NEW YORK CITY
IF ANY EGGPLANT DARED WALK AROUND LIKE A TUFF GUY HE WAS GOING TO GET THE SHIT KICKED OUT OF HIM !
IT HAPPENEDS IN AREAS NOT JUST BLACK AGAINST WHITE
FOR YEARS WHITES WHERE HANGING BLACK MEN FOR JUST BEING BLACK !
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Cap86 if I could list all the things white people have did to african americans this thread would go on and on. Heck look at all the young white kids who have shot up schools for the past 20 years. I must say the kids that did that to the girls deserve a beating. You have to look at the surroundings. I didnt read the whole story but if they live in a ghetto neighborhood then I wouldnt be walking up the street like that. If I did I would have a "piece" with me.
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Cap86 if I could list all the things white people have did to african americans this thread would go on and on. Heck look at all the young white kids who have shot up schools for the past 20 years. I must say the kids that did that to the girls deserve a beating. You have to look at the surroundings. I didnt read the whole story but if they live in a ghetto neighborhood then I wouldnt be walking up the street like that. If I did I would have a "piece" with me.
I know where they were in Long Beach and it wasn't a ghetto and even if they were does that mean once you enter a bad area it makes it okay? Face it, black violence on white is ignored. These little douches deserve much worse. BTW, slavery has been over for a while. This is happening here and now. Plus the recent school shooting was an Asian dude, not white.
Can you imagine if YOUR 18 year daughter was beat up by the opposite race? ;D
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I guess you could say the same about all white males, since a few of them murdered a guy by tying him to the back of a car and driving till he was decapitated (old story)? Is it safe for a black man to walk the streets of Texas? [sarcasm]
Almost 1 million white Americans were murdered, robbed, assaulted or raped by black Americans in 1992, compared with about 132,000 blacks who were murdered, robbed, assaulted or raped by whites, according to the same survey. Is it safe for a white young women to walk down the streets in a black neighborhood?
Sorry Sgt. D you arguement regarding total violence with regards to race is ill compared considering all the crime figures are when calculated, appears that black Americans have committed at least 170 million crimes against white Americans in the past 30 years. It is the great defining disaster of American life and American ideals since World War II, according to the Justice dept statistics.
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Almost 1 million white Americans were murdered, robbed, assaulted or raped by black Americans in 1992, compared with about 132,000 blacks who were murdered, robbed, assaulted or raped by whites, according to the same survey. Is it safe for a white young women to walk down the streets in a black neighborhood?
Link?
What does the survey say about the racial makeup of pedophiles, serial killers, and mass murderers?
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Link?
What does the survey say about the racial makeup of pedophiles, serial killers, and mass murderers?
Aren't they typically white male ages 25-55? Just off the top of my head...
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Link?
What does the survey say about the racial makeup of pedophiles, serial killers, and mass murderers?
The only thing I can say to that is how many are hurt by violent crime by that group compared to the criminals you mentioned? I think in terms of pure numbers, not severity of the crime, blacks beat whites. But here are some stats to support your serial killer thoughts, which I would concede without them. One thing to note in bold.
The serial killer statistics -
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The USA has 76% of the worlds serial killers.
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Europe in second, has 17%. England has produced 28% of the European total; Germany produces 27%, and France produces 13%.
* California leads in the US with the most Serial Homicide cases that have occured. Texas, New York, Illinois, and Florida follow shortly behind.
* Maine has the lowest occurence of serial murders - none. Hawaii, Montana, North Dakota, Delaware, and Vermont each have had only one case of a serial murder.
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84% of American killers are caucasian.
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16% are black.
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Men make up at least 90% of the world wide total of serial killers.
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65% of victims are female.
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89% of victims are white.
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44% of all killers start in their twenties.
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26% start in their teens.
* 24% start in their thirties.
* Out of all the killers, 86% are heterosexual.
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Aren't they typically white male ages 25-55? Just off the top of my head...
Yes, they are... The reality, is that in THIS instance... it was a hate crime, but the kids got off light.
Why? Is it because they're black? I doubt it... it's because they are kids.
Eventually, everyone gets their due.
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When was the last time a black person got off "easy" in the criminal justice system?
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OJ, Pacman, Tank Jones, Ron Artest......
Right, black people with MONEY.
These kids weren't affluent enough to get off easy. They were just kids.
I still think whatever the reason is for the light sentence, it's terrible.
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Who were obviously guilty of VIOLENT acts. Pacman and Johnson used to be poor. They got off because of their race. Place 30 white kids in there and good luck with that one. Race riot, harsher sentence, rhyme master Sharpton out in force.
It's tough to argue... I'm on the fence... being interracial does that.
Seriously, these kids should be beat down. This is why everyone should carry a piece.
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Link?
What does the survey say about the racial makeup of pedophiles, serial killers, and mass murderers?
The Crime of Color, by New Century Foundation you can purchase it for 8.99.
EDIt: I just so happend to have found it online, http://amren.com/colorofcrime/color.pdf (http://amren.com/colorofcrime/color.pdf)
I still like having the paper copy, page 3 starts profiling
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Thats why there are too many gun deaths. Too many people use that as their only means of fighting. If gangs duked it out like the old days it would be much better but they are cowards and too skinny or afraid to fight like a man. Typical coward mentality on their part. Most of these little punks would never fight one on one, that's why they join a gang.
Agreed... no one can stand up on their own anymore.
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Yes, they are... The reality, is that in THIS instance... it was a hate crime, but the kids got off light.
Why? Is it because they're black? I doubt it... it's because they are kids.
Eventually, everyone gets their due.
I have to disagree, plenty of white kids are sitting in a adult prison population right now for hate crimes....such as the homeless beatings.
They played the race card. The trial had plenty of witnesses, and actual evidence of a hate crime, I doubt these girls punched their eyesockets out themselves.
Anyone see the special on NBC tonight? They covered a story in the black community on "STOP SNITCHING" and 2 rappers even admitted that they protect their own kind, and do everything they can to go against the police.
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I have to disagree, plenty of white kids are sitting in a adult prison population right now for hate crimes....such as the homeless beatings.
They played the race card. The trial had plenty of witnesses, and actual evidence of a hate crime, I doubt these girls punched their eyesockets out themselves.
Anyone see the special on NBC tonight? They covered a story in the black community on "STOP SNITCHING" and 2 rappers even admitted that they protect their own kind, and do everything they can to go against the police.
Yeah, snitching is a tough one... I was taught not to snitch too.
I was also taught not to expect the police to protect you... It's an interesting quandary.
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Blacks lie to police, police find out and become mistrustful, next time police are mistrustful again and don't believe blacks, blacks then don't believe in police function.
Oh, I know that as well... There are many instance of police losing faith in their community, which causes lost faith in the police.
It's a vicious cycle.
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Yeah, snitching is a tough one... I was taught not to snitch too.
I was also taught not to expect the police to protect you... It's an interesting quandary.
Sure the majority of us don't want to snitch but if you saw a murder or someone getting the life beat out of them and it difigured them and the police came to you and asked you if you knew anything about it would you tell them?
The rapper on tonight was asked if he knew a serial killer lived beside what would he do. He replied that he would move.
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Aren't they typically white male ages 25-55? Just off the top of my head...
Sounds about right. I wonder why youandme didn't touch this one?
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The Crime of Color, by New Century Foundation you can purchase it for 8.99.
EDIt: I just so happend to have found it online, http://amren.com/colorofcrime/color.pdf (http://amren.com/colorofcrime/color.pdf)
I still like having the paper copy, page 3 starts profiling
So I read up on the New Century Foundation and its founder Samuel Jared Taylor. He's nothing more than a white supremacist. http://www.adl.org/learn/ext_us/amren.asp?xpicked=5&item=amren
I wonder if the New Century Foundation has researched the racial makeup of pedophiles, serial killers, and mass murderers?
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So I read up on the New Century Foundation and its founder Samuel Jared Taylor. He's nothing more than a white supremacist. http://www.adl.org/learn/ext_us/amren.asp?xpicked=5&item=amren
I wonder if the New Century Foundation has researched the racial makeup of pedophiles, serial killers, and mass murderers?
So your going to discredit factual scientific findings? Pull your head out of your ass, These statistics referenced from that book were part of a broader study done by the Justice Department.
Some sources for your entertainment, I'm not going to dig up facts for this case, your the one with a 17 year old daughter, denial is the first mechanism for defense when a person is faced with a fact
New Century Foundation2U.S. Department of Justice, Federal Bureau ofInvestigation, Hate Crime Statistics 1997 (Wash-ington, DC: USGPO, 1999)
Hate Crime Statistics 1997, Ron Russel and Victor Mejia, “City of Fear,”New Times (Los Angeles), Feb. 12-18, 1998, Patty Sullivan, “Anchorage Man Gunned Downin Spenard,” Anchorage Daily News, Nov. 22, 1997,
Peter Porco, “Murder Suspect Acquitted,”
March 11, 1997.8U.S. Department of Justice, Bureau of JusticeStatistics, Criminal Victimization 1997 (Washing-
ton, DC: USGPO, 1998), U.S. Department of Justice, Federal Bureau ofInvestigation, Crime in the United States 1997
[known as Uniform Crime Reports or UCR] (Wash-ington, DC: USGPO, 1998)
Arrest information by race is from Crime inthe United States 1997
Criminal Victimization in the United States,1994
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So your going to discredit factual scientific findings? Pull your head out of your ass, These statistics referenced from that book were part of a broader study done by the Justice Department.
Some sources for your entertainment, I'm not going to dig up facts for this case, your the one with a 17 year old daughter, denial is the first mechanism for defense when a person is faced with a fact
New Century Foundation2U.S. Department of Justice, Federal Bureau ofInvestigation, Hate Crime Statistics 1997 (Wash-ington, DC: USGPO, 1999)
Hate Crime Statistics 1997, Ron Russel and Victor Mejia, “City of Fear,”New Times (Los Angeles), Feb. 12-18, 1998, Patty Sullivan, “Anchorage Man Gunned Downin Spenard,” Anchorage Daily News, Nov. 22, 1997,
Peter Porco, “Murder Suspect Acquitted,”
March 11, 1997.8U.S. Department of Justice, Bureau of JusticeStatistics, Criminal Victimization 1997 (Washing-
ton, DC: USGPO, 1998), U.S. Department of Justice, Federal Bureau ofInvestigation, Crime in the United States 1997
[known as Uniform Crime Reports or UCR] (Wash-ington, DC: USGPO, 1998)
Arrest information by race is from Crime inthe United States 1997
Criminal Victimization in the United States,1994
1. If someone wants to pay me to discredit these alleged "factual scientific findings," and I can find the time, I'll be glad to do it. Until then, I do not accept at face value anything a white supremacist organization alleges as "scientific findings."
2. I never said I have a 17 year old daughter. Quit making stuff up.
3. "I wonder if the New Century Foundation has researched the racial makeup of pedophiles, serial killers, and mass murderers?"
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1. If someone wants to pay me to discredit these alleged "factual scientific findings," and I can find the time, I'll be glad to do it. Until then, I do not accept at face value anything a white supremacist organization alleges as "scientific findings."
2. I never said I have a 17 year old daughter. Quit making stuff up.
3. "I wonder if the New Century Foundation has researched the racial makeup of pedophiles, serial killers, and mass murderers?"
1. Ok discredit the government, should be interesting. Did not know that the U.S. Department of Justice and the ACLU were white supremecists groups, but ok professor.
2. Ok, 18
3. No cf-n has not but the justice department has at it's website http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/welcome.html (http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/welcome.html)
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1. Ok discredit the government, should be interesting. Did not know that the U.S. Department of Justice and the ACLU were white supremecists groups, but ok professor.
2. Ok, 18
3. No cf-n has not but the justice department has at it's website http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/welcome.html (http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/welcome.html)
1. Are you kidding? Get your checkbook and I'll get to work. (I am working right now. :))
2. I have never stated the ages of my children. ::)
3. I wonder why the white supremacist New Century Foundation has not researched the racial makeup of pedophiles, serial killers, and mass murderers? Pedophiles are arguably the most dangerous predators in our society.
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haha you sound like a disgruntled CTer that objects to government findings.
Ok go ahead find some statistics that even come close. I guess the show I watched CRIME TACTICS on public broadcasting network was throwing up racial statistics when it stated 75% of of blacks that have been to jail will go to jail again.
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haha you sound like a disgruntled CTer that objects to government findings.
Ok go ahead find some statistics that even come close. I guess the show I watched CRIME TACTICS on public broadcasting network was throwing up racial statistics when it stated 75% of of blacks that have been to jail will go to jail again.
"I wonder why the white supremacist New Century Foundation has not researched the racial makeup of pedophiles, serial killers, and mass murderers? Pedophiles are arguably the most dangerous predators in our society."
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Blacks win in sexual crimes, homicide is intertwined with sexual crimes.
Maybe you should ask you pal Alberto Gonzales all of the Justice Department statistics go through him before hand. What what's that Alberto Alberto Gonzales and the Department of Justice are lying?
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Blacks win in sexual crimes, homicide is intertwined with sexual crimes.
Maybe you should ask you pal Alberto Gonzales all of the Justice Department statistics go through him before hand. What what's that Alberto Alberto Gonzales and the Department of Justice are lying?
When you're not tied up at a KKK rally, I suggest you write a letter about the question you keep avoiding:
"I wonder why the white supremacist New Century Foundation has not researched the racial makeup of pedophiles, serial killers, and mass murderers? Pedophiles are arguably the most dangerous predators in our society."
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When you're not tied up at a KKK rally, I suggest you write a letter about the question you keep avoiding:
"I wonder why the white supremacist New Century Foundation has not researched the racial makeup of pedophiles, serial killers, and mass murderers? Pedophiles are arguably the most dangerous predators in our society."
"Blacks win in sexual crimes, homicide is intertwined with sexual crimes."
I see that you can't have a rational discussion with people on this DB, you throw out petty insults as seen with 240's posts and you go nowhere with your logic.
I'm not going to search through a criminal justice database all afternoon, I've named numerous government resources for you to do your own peddling.
If you have some credible findings, that dispute the statistics I have posted feel free to share them.
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Black on Black crime or Black on white crime is bad no matter what. But, the punishments for black on white crime is a lot harsher than it would be for black on black crime. There is history behind that. As someone said before, about "white women walking the streets.." Why not women in general? Period. But you mean, "protect OUR precious white women from these savages".
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"Blacks win in sexual crimes, homicide is intertwined with sexual crimes."
I see that you can't have a rational discussion with people on this DB, you throw out petty insults as seen with 240's posts and you go nowhere with your logic.
I'm not going to search through a criminal justice database all afternoon, I've named numerous government resources for you to do your own peddling.
If you have some credible findings, that dispute the statistics I have posted feel free to share them.
Listen little Hitler, quit trying to act like you are engaging in a rational discussion about race. All you've done is post a link to a "report" prepared by a white supremacist organization. I'd be willing to wager you probably haven't even read the entire "report." I will not waste my time reading a "report" prepared by a group that devotes its time to that whole "white power," "blacks are evil" crap.
And you mention 240? Even he isn't a little Hitler like you. ::)
"I wonder why the white supremacist New Century Foundation has not researched the racial makeup of pedophiles, serial killers, and mass murderers? Pedophiles are arguably the most dangerous predators in our society."
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Black on Black crime or Black on white crime is bad no matter what. But, the punishments for black on white crime is a lot harsher than it would be for black on black crime. There is history behind that. As someone said before, about "white women walking the streets.." Why not women in general? Period. But you mean, "protect OUR precious white women from these savages".
Obviously misinformed. You have not read any of the journals I've posted before this thread "African American assaults on white caucasian women" is up at a alarming rate. Double standards on black on white hate crimes.
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Listen little Hitler, quit trying to act like you are engaging in a rational discussion about race. All you've done is post a link to a "report" prepared by a white supremacist organization. I'd be willing to wager you probably haven't even read the entire "report." I will not waste my time reading a "report" prepared by a group that devotes its time to that whole "white power," "blacks are evil" crap.
And you mention 240? Even he isn't a little Hitler like you. ::)
"I wonder why the white supremacist New Century Foundation has not researched the racial makeup of pedophiles, serial killers, and mass murderers? Pedophiles are arguably the most dangerous predators in our society."
Obviously I mentioned 240 because you can't get into a heated debate with him without throwing out insults.
Yes, I've read the whole report.
Would you let your daughter walk through a black neighborhood?
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Obviously I mentioned 240 because you can't get into a heated debate with him without throwing out insults.
Yes, I've read the whole report.
Would you let your daughter walk through a black neighborhood?
My daughter LIVES in a black neighborhood... with me and the rest of my family.
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Obviously I mentioned 240 because you can't get into a heated debate with him without throwing out insults.
Yes, I've read the whole report.
Would you let your daughter walk through a black neighborhood?
LOL. It's actually the other way around with 240. I rarely have debates with him. If you were actually paying attention, you'd notice we rarely have substantive exchanges. That said, he's still not the bigot you are.
What does my daughter walking through a "black neighborhood" have to do with anything? I wouldn't let my daughter walk through most neighborhoods. I suspect if she walked through Tu's neighborhood, she would be just fine.
But none of this has anything to do with why that white supremacist organization, and you, don't "research" the racial makeup of pedophiles, serial killers, and mass murderers.
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Victims of attack share their story
Crime: 10 arrested after attack on Halloween; $2,500 reward offered for information about other suspects still at large.
By Tracy Manzer, Staff writer
Article Launched: 11/03/2006 10:52:39 PM PST
LONG BEACH - Several suspects including at least three men who savagely beat three young women in a horrific hate crime attack Halloween night remained at large Friday.
The three victims - two of whom are 19 and the third 21 - agreed to sit down with a Press-Telegram reporter and discuss the painful attack in the hope that someone who knows the culprits will turn them in to police.
The young women asked to be identified by only their first names of Laura, Michelle and Lauren because they and their families fear for their safety. The assault, they said, was so savage they thank God they are alive.
`A pack of hyenas'
The victims - along with throngs of other people - had gone to the 3800 block of Linden Avenue around 9:30 p.m. for a popular Halloween block party. As they walked up to an elaborate haunted house, they said, a group of about a dozen males began taunting them.
"They asked us, `Are you down with it?,' we had no idea what that meant so we didn't say anything and just walked by them up to the haunted house," said Laura, "They were grabbing their crotches - we didn't know if it was a gang thing or what."
After making their way through a maze at the house, the
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three girls said they were back in the same spot where they were confronted and next to the same guys, who again taunted them. Still saying nothing, the three victims tried to walk away but were pelted with lemons and small pumpkins that split the seams on their costumes and left lumps and bruises on their bodies.
The taunts and jeers grew more aggressive, the victims recalled, as did the size of the crowd. Now females joined in, and everyone began saying "We hate white people, f--- whites!"
At this point, the girls began to run, but the pack of assailants ran ahead of them and kept them surrounded.
"It was like animals, like a pack of hyenas," Michelle said.
She was trying to call 911 on her cell phone when the taunts began, but kept getting busy signals. She tried three times to call, she said, but never got through to an operator.
The suspects also began to gradually separate the girls, first by grabbing Laura by her long hair and yanking her backward.
She said she tried to fight off a group of girls who surrounded her and were clawing and hitting her, but then a man came up and slammed her in the head with a skateboard, knocking her unconscious.
"One of the witnesses told the police that he saw my legs go straight up in the air and I hit the ground face first," she said, accounting for the bumps and bruises on her forehead and around her nose and eyes.
Her friends watched, horrified as the man raised the skateboard over his head and slammed her again as she lay on the ground. Others in the pack also began to hit and kick her motionless body.
Fearing their friend would be killed, the other two girls rushed to her aid.
Saved by a Samaritan
Lauren was the first at Laura's side, and a group of people immediately jumped on her and began punching her in the face and back of the head simultaneously. Some kicked her in the back of knees, causing her legs to buckle. At one point, when they got her cell phone away from her, Lauren said she knelt down to try and retrieve the phone.
"Once I knelt down, there was too much of a force on top of me to get back up," she said. "They were pounding on my back, on my head. ... They were kicking at the ball that was me."
Lauren suffered 12 fractures in her face, including four to her eye socket, three to her nose and three to her cheek.
Doctors don't yet know if she will regain all of her eyesight. Until the swelling goes down, they won't know if she'll require surgery to repair the many broken bones.
Forced to drop her college photography classes this semester because she cannot see well enough to use the camera, Lauren also can't blow her nose or sleep lying down. The pressure, doctors told her, could cause any of the fractured bones to shift, which could lead to her eye becoming detached from the shattered socket.
Michelle said she saw the group drag Lauren down as she rushed up and knocked the man with the skateboard off Laura. But then he then turned on her, punching her in both sides of her face and in the ribs.
Her face, like Lauren's and Laura's, is bruised and swollen. The lining that surrounds her lungs is also bruised.
As the man beat on Michelle, Laura regained consciousness and tried to pull him off her friend. But others in the pack immediately began to hammer at her again, she said.
She, like Lauren, suffered a concussion as well as multiple contusions. The lumps and marks on the back of her head and her back show where she was stomped, kicked and punched as she lay on the ground.
In all, the attack lasted about 10 minutes, and it ended only when a Good Samaritan driving by the melee stopped and physically blocked the battered girls bodies while yanking the assailants off the victims.
Maybe because he was also black, or because he was so tall and strong, the group broke up and scattered to several cars and fled, the victims said.
"If it wasn't for that guy, honestly, I don't think these two would be here today," Michelle said.
Shortly after the attack, police arrested 10 juveniles on a charge of felony hate crimes, including counts for assault with a deadly weapon, battery and robbery.
Some of the 10 youths - nine girls and one boy ranging in age from 12 to 17 - were found wearing the victim's earrings - which were ripped from their flesh - and had Lauren's cell phone.
Others still at large
The victims were able to identify all 10 but said there are several others who participated who remain at large. They estimated that at least 25 people took part in the attack, while witnesses who live on the block told police the crowd looked to have between 30 and 40 people.
"I heard these thumping sounds and all these people yelling "F--- whites, f--- whites!" said one resident who witnessed the attack.
She spoke on condition of anonymity, fearing the assailants might return to her neighborhood and attack her and other witnesses.
"I have such mixed feelings," she added. "I'm so ashamed that I didn't try to run out there and stop them, but it was terrifying."
"I've never seen anything like that in my life," she added. "I can't even describe it. I'm still terrified."
She said she called 911, along with several of her neighbors, and screamed frantically for help as a dispatcher tried to calm her down. North Division officers found the 10 youths not far from the scene of the crime in a grocery store parking lot.
One girl's mother said she doesn't blame witnesses who were too frightened to intervene.
And she and the other mothers said over and over how grateful they are to the man who saved their daughters' lives.
"I can't imagine," Barbara said, her eyes shining with tears. "I can't imagine anyone doing that to another human being, or even an animal."
Now the mothers are working with police and imploring the district attorney's office to prosecute the youths as adults and to seek the harshest sentences possible. They have raised $2,500 for a reward fund so far, and are taking more donations in the hope it will spur someone to turn those responsible in to authorities.
Most of all, the girls and their mothers want the three men - who appeared to be in their early 20s - to be arrested.
A team of detectives have been assigned to the case, and the police response has the victims and their families confident that the men will soon be found.
Anyone with information about the suspects or the incident is urged to call police at the Youth Services Division, at (562) 570-1426, or Violent Crimes Division, at (562) 570-7250.
"Anything anyone can do, please help," said one of the mothers. "These people ... they don't belong in society."
tis true these kids should be haning from a tree ... but did you read the part that said the girls were saved by a black guy
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My daughter LIVES in a black neighborhood... with me and the rest of my family.
Aren't you biracial?
If I had a daughter, I would not be okay with her walking around in certain areas of NYC.. All the cat calls, to idiots who wont accept a "No."
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But none of this has anything to do with why that white supremacist organization, and you, don't "research" the racial makeup of pedophiles, serial killers, and mass murderers.
I researched this information for a peace studies class, prevalance of serial killers is nill, most the US has ever had at one time is 35. Mass murders like Darfur and holocaust are organizational. Pedophiles in predominatly african american families and hispanic families go un reported, like most of child abuse, white families cases are reported more often since we have multiple outlets of help.
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I researched this information for a peace studies class, prevalance of serial killers is nill, most the US has ever had at one time is 35. Mass murders like Darfur and holocaust are organizational. Pedophiles in predominatly african american families and hispanic families go un reported, like most of child abuse, white families cases are reported more often since we have multiple outlets of help.
I see. Serial killers are nonexistent (because the overwhelming majority of them are white). Mass murderers are organizational (whatever the heck that means), because the overwhelming majority are white. And pedophiles in black and Hispanic families go unreported, which explains why the overwhelming majority of pedophiles are white. What a croc. If you were truly analyzing crime trends among racial groups, you wouldn't ignore these 800 pound elephants.
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I see. I guess Murders, hate crimes and rape are not important.
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"The white male stereotype is very deceptive though as white males are less likely to be serial killers as male Hispanics or male Blacks. African Americans make up 12 percent of the American population but 22% of serial killers and Hispanics roughly the same. Whites make up around 75% of the population but only 55% of all serial killers making whites disproportionately less likely to be serial killers."
Serial Murderers And Their Victims Eric Hickey, criminal-psychology professor at California State University-Fresno
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"The white male stereotype is very deceptive though as white males are less likely to be serial killers as male Hispanics or male Blacks. African Americans make up 12 percent of the American population but 22% of serial killers and Hispanics roughly the same. Whites make up around 75% of the population but only 55% of all serial killers making whites disproportionately less likely to be serial killers."
Serial Murderers And Their Victims Eric Hickey, criminal-psychology professor at California State University-Fresno
LOL . . . . . . . . .
So accepting this as true (and I have no idea if it is), whites make up "only" 55 percent of all serial killers. Can you imagine what a little Hitler would say if blacks or Hispanics made up over half of all serial killers? Talk about hypocrisy.
What does Eric Hickey say about pedophiles? I bet they "only" make up about more than half of all pedophiles too?
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Black on Black crime or Black on white crime is bad no matter what. But, the punishments for black on white crime is a lot harsher than it would be for black on black crime. There is history behind that. As someone said before, about "white women walking the streets.." Why not women in general? Period. But you mean, "protect OUR precious white women from these savages".
Those kids did act like savages against the women
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LOL . . . . . . . . .
So accepting this as true (and I have no idea if it is), whites make up "only" 55 percent of all serial killers. Can you imagine what a little Hitler would say if blacks or Hispanics made up over half of all serial killers? Talk about hypocrisy.
What does Eric Hickey say about pedophiles? I bet they "only" make up about more than half of all pedophiles too?
statistics 101, I'm sure your local college has it go check into it.
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Obviously misinformed. You have not read any of the journals I've posted before this thread "African American assaults on white caucasian women" is up at a alarming rate. Double standards on black on white hate crimes.
I skimmed, but I see that you qouted a 1992 stat, and then made your statement. Your stat goes with your statement, and out of date stat at that.
As far as hate crimes, if a black man assaults, a ramdom white man/woman is that a hate crime? If he/she is is in a bad neighborhood be it black, white or latino, and black man assaults him/her is it a hate crime? If a black man singles out a person because he/she is white, then that is a hate crime.
And stop using the well beaten, "white women", like she is a weak willed, "help, help, save me" damsel in distress. They have mouths of their own...Talk about playing the race card...
Trust me, you don't know what a hate crime is, you never have been the victim of one, I have.
Wether it is black on black, black on white, or white on white. I don't make excuses for people... Those kids did act like savages against the women
Yes they did, and it is a shame that human beings, regardless of color can act like that.
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youandme your not making sense
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I know where they were in Long Beach and it wasn't a ghetto and even if they were does that mean once you enter a bad area it makes it okay? Face it, black violence on white is ignored. These little douches deserve much worse. BTW, slavery has been over for a while. This is happening here and now. Plus the recent school shooting was an Asian dude, not white.
Can you imagine if YOUR 18 year daughter was beat up by the opposite race? ;D
There are alot of areas in Long Beach that are rough. Why would they want to walk in a bad neighborhood? I am not going to take a jog through Compton or Inglewood at night. ::) If you go in bad areas, you can except something bad might happen to you or somebody else. I was making a point that most school shooting are white kids.
If the fight was fair and she got beat up by the opposite race then it wouldn't bother me. As long as she tried to defend herself. That would never happen though :)
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There are alot of areas in Long Beach that are rough. Why would they want to walk in a bad neighborhood? I am not going to take a jog through Compton or Inglewood at night. ::) If you go in bad areas, you can except something bad might happen to you or somebody else. I was making a point that most school shooting are white kids.
If the fight was fair and she got beat up by the opposite race then it wouldn't bother me. As long as she tried to defend herself. That would never happen though :)
I know Long Beach and parts can be rough but you cannot compare it to Compton. Why should someone be afraid to walk through an area on Halloween? Does that mean it's okay for a high ly black populated area to be violent? Are you saying these blacks are violent? If they shouted racist slurs and was fair it would still be bad.
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84% of American killers are caucasian.
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16% are black.
So no native americans, hispanics, asians ever commit murder?????
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Aren't they typically white male ages 25-55? Just off the top of my head...
Profiling serial killers is one of the most diffucult criminal profilings. Psychologists and other specialists have to be very skilled in assesingtheir psychological profiles of the type of person thought to be behind the crime. Now alot of the FBIs criminal profilers are not even psychologists, the pay has gone to shit. What has happend now is they go out and abuse everyone who fits that profile, give em the arab shakedown. When the criminal is finally caught, about 50% of the time they do not resemble the profile at all. What we know now is is the behavior science unit of the FBI is lacking in keeping their profiling signals up, this was evident in the DC sniper killers where they brought in numerous profilers and all said it was a white male acting alone yada yada moms basement...
The outdated profile is in the process of being updated, right now the “typical” profile of a serial killer is a caucasian male between the ages of 18 and 32.... child abuse in his background...bedwetting beyond age 10...ABUSES ANIMALS (most evident) has a history of arson....right now the first step in updating the profiling system is categorizing heritages, with this VT attack they will make public records more available to databases with those with mental illness...