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When i train twice or 3 times a week can see myself growing fast.
when i trained 5, 6 times a week i get overtrained and never grow muscle.
if you re natural 3 times a week is all you need.
discuss.
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I completely disagree. If you have the diet to support training 5x a week, you will grow more, guaranteed. Less is more, doesn't really equate in the real world, but sounds good....doesn't it..haah
Of course, doing 48 sets for chest, would be overworking yourself though.
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I completely disagree. If you have the diet to support training 5x a week, you will grow more, guaranteed. Less is more, doesn't really equate in the real world, but sounds good....doesn't it..haah
Of course, doing 48 sets for chest, would be overworking yourself though.
PWNED!!!!
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Less is NEVER more. You are just lazy. Sorry for the update.
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i disagree as well. i'm a nattie but i train 5 days a week one trainining session for each body part shred the shit out of it rest it and feed it for a week. i see myself growing quite a bit like this.
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For myself, at least, I have found this to be somewhat true. I have found that 4-5 days per week of weight training works well for me. I have also found that less is more when it comes to the number of sets I do per bodypart. I found that I improve/grow faster when I do 5-6 sets for big parts (EG back, chest, legs) rather than 7-8 (or more). Then again, this is what I think works for me; someone else might be different.
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jrod thats good. realizing what works for you might not work for others etc. for me i find if i wanna get good results i gotta shred it once a week for me that usually means 18-22 sets for chest that kinda thing. and all to failure with partial holds on the last set of each exercise.
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when you train 3 days in a row, your workout is gonna suffer. no matter what you eat. for me it works better one day on one day off. often i have a 3 days break, and to my surprise i look much better after that. if you workout everyday, you will just have a constant pump in your muscles, and quess what thats not real muscle.
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when you train 3 days in a row, your workout is gonna suffer. no matter what you eat. for me it works better one day on one day off. often i have a 3 days break, and to my surprise i look much better after that. if you workout everyday, you will just have a constant pump in your muscles, and quess what thats not real muscle.
Wrong. Wrong. Wrong.
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I get great results off of training 3 times a week. I just do alot of compound movements and that taxes my muscles and CNS. I rest and eat the other days. I've been doing this for over 13 years so what works for me may not work for others.
Just do what works best for you, if you get caught up in what others tell you and switch your routine every time you think you find something better you will never give your body a chance to see what works and what doesnt. Give every workout at least 16 weeks to see if your body is responding. If your changing your workout everytime a new issue of FLEX comes out, you are banging your head against the wall.
Dballn247 8)
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What a bunch of f'n pussies.
Right now, some top European Olympic lifter is coming off his 4th workout of the day....
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I get great results off of training 3 times a week. I just do alot of compound movements and that taxes my muscles and CNS. I rest and eat the other days. I've been doing this for over 13 years so what works for me may not work for others.
Just do what works best for you, if you get caught up in what others tell you and switch your routine every time you think you find something better you will never give your body a chance to see what works and what doesnt. Give every workout at least 16 weeks to see if your body is responding. If your changing your workout everytime a new issue of FLEX comes out, you are banging your head against the wall.
Dballn247 8)
You must be a monster if you've been doing it for 13 years, and you "get great results!"
I know a lot of pros that didn't know what they were doing for years, and haven't been training for 13 years. I'd be interested in seeing what someone who gets "great results" for 13 straight years looks like!
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Oh brother....Go ahead and train your 10 times a day. ::)
Edit: what pro's do you know personally. The only time you need to train more than less is close to contest time. Other than that, its all about putting on size. If you can Deadlifts 455 and then turn around and squat 455 the next day more power to ya.
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I've experimented with many routines over the years and I found I grow (and get stronger) doing a 3 on 1 off routine.
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Oh brother....Go ahead and train your 10 times a day. ::)
Edit: what pro's do you know personally. The only time you need to train more than less is close to contest time. Other than that, its all about putting on size. If you can Deadlifts 455 and then turn around and squat 455 the next day more power to ya.
I know quite a few personally.
Most of them don't know anything about training or nutrition, and that's the best way to go about it.
At some point, someone hoping to push their own image helps them out, and tells them the basics. They learn a simple training routine, and learn to eat chicken and rice.
So, years later, they're busting ass on that simple training routine (not knowing why in the hell they're even doing it that way), and eating chicken and rice.
All the while, pussies like you are learning about some super post owrkout shake, and avoiding overtraining at all costs. HAHAHAH
Why do you think Ronnie does the same training routine he has been doing for 20 years?
Because he doesn't know what the fuck to do on his own. Someone told him that routine, so he did it, and continues to do it to this day.
Do you think he knows why he has a protein drink and grits for breakfast? He doesn't know....he knows someone told him to eat it.
Keep doing your 3 workouts every 7 days, you've certainly done a lot with it hte past 13 years....
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I know quite a few personally.
Most of them don't know anything about training or nutrition, and that's the best way to go about it.
At some point, someone hoping to push their own image helps them out, and tells them the basics. They learn a simple training routine, and learn to eat chicken and rice.
So, years later, they're busting ass on that simple training routine (not knowing why in the hell they're even doing it that way), and eating chicken and rice.
All the while, pussies like you are learning about some super post owrkout shake, and avoiding overtraining at all costs. HAHAHAH
Why do you think Ronnie does the same training routine he has been doing for 20 years?
Because he doesn't know what the fuck to do on his own. Someone told him that routine, so he did it, and continues to do it to this day.
Do you think he knows why he has a protein drink and grits for breakfast? He doesn't know....he knows someone told him to eat it.
Keep doing your 3 workouts every 7 days, you've certainly done a lot with it hte past 13 years....
OK "big guy" ::)
MELTDOWN!!!!!!!!!!
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OK "big guy" ::)
MELTDOWN!!!!!!!!!!
That's what you have?
I'm sorry, I didn't realize I was wasting my time.
Feel free to continue getting huge, as you have for the past 13 years.
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That's what you have?
I'm sorry, I didn't realize I was wasting my time.
Feel free to continue getting huge, as you have for the past 13 years.
Hater induced tiny tit Meltdown #2. You're way to easy brightspot. Next....
Continue to post $hit as you are a puss, Internet one upper who has to get the last word in. Feel free to post with no response from me.......tiny.
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there's merit to both approaches, Dballin makes great points about gaining strength and mass i get the best results from training a bodypart once per week but i think you can do more workouts per week if they are short, some people need more rest, i would just get fatter with too many rest days ;D i remember Palumbo saying that more workouts per week is better for fat loss because you're burning more calories throughout the week.
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there's merit to both approaches, Dballin makes great points about gaining strength and mass i get the best results from training a bodypart once per week but i think you can do more workouts per week if they are short, some people need more rest, i would just get fatter with too many rest days ;D i remember Palumbo saying that more workouts per week is better for fat loss because you're burning more calories throughout the week.
Word, this guy knows what I'm taking about.
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Hater induced tiny tit Meltdown #2. You're way to easy brightspot. Next....
Way TOO easy....
There are 3 ways to spell that word. To, two, and too....which would have been the proper use in that sentence.
Anything else, "brightspot?"
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When i train twice or 3 times a week can see myself growing fast.
when i trained 5, 6 times a week i get overtrained and never grow muscle.
if you re natural 3 times a week is all you need.
discuss.
I do not really agree with this guy on much...but he did not say if you WORK OUT...he said TRAIN. If you are really training and natural, you could not work out more than 3-4 times a week and recouperate properly. All you guys saying you go 5-6 times a week...you are working out not training. He is 100% correct on this. If you think you cannot grow on three days a week or REAL training, you do not know bodybuilding or powerlifting...you know working out.
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there's merit to both approaches, Dballin makes great points about gaining strength and mass i get the best results from training a bodypart once per week but i think you can do more workouts per week if they are short, some people need more rest, i would just get fatter with too many rest days ;D i remember Palumbo saying that more workouts per week is better for fat loss because you're burning more calories throughout the week.
eating less donuts is also a good way to keep your bodyfat in check.
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I do not really agree with this guy on much...but he did not say if you WORK OUT...he said TRAIN. If you are really training and natural, you could not work out more than 3-4 times a week and recouperate properly. All you guys saying you go 5-6 times a week...you are working out not training. He is 100% correct on this. If you think you cannot grow on three days a week or REAL training, you do not know bodybuilding or powerlifting...you know working out.
So, you've grown massively huge on oyur approach then, correct?
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So, you've grown massively huge on oyur approach then, correct?
Dude, are you really gonna go there with me? I am a national champion natrual powerlifter, competed in numerous bodybuilding shows, training with former Mr. Americas and Wrold Champion powerlifters...I am 5'6 215 with a near 400 bench, over 500 squat and over 600 dead...and I am fairly lean...lean enough to get in shape for a bodybuilding show in 8-10 if I chose to do so. What do you have to bring to this discussion? So yes...I have grown plenty with my approach...ass hat.
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Dude, are you really gonna go there with me? I am a national champion natrual powerlifter, competed in numerous bodybuilding shows, training with former Mr. Americas and Wrold Champion powerlifters...I am 5'6 215 with a near 400 bench, over 500 squat and over 600 dead...and I am fairly lean...lean enough to get in shape for a bodybuilding show in 8-10 if I chose to do so. What do you have to bring to this discussion? So yes...I have grown plenty with my approach...ass hat.
what does your schedule look like now Nick? those are great lifts BTW.
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When i train twice or 3 times a week can see myself growing fast.
when i trained 5, 6 times a week i get overtrained and never grow muscle.
if you re natural 3 times a week is all you need.
discuss.
up the burrito intake
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what does your schedule look like now Nick? those are great lifts BTW.
I go four times per week right now...Mon Tues Thurs Fri. I do each bodypart 1x per week. I do cardio 20 minutes after each workout too so that I can keep my calories up a bit. I do short, intense workouts...little rest as possible. Never use a belt or other crap unless I am doing singles. I prefer 5-6 rep range...with 6 being either spotted and forced, or bairly able to do it on my own...every set. With warm ups of course. I usually do shoulders and traps Mon. Legs and Calves Tuesday. Chest and Tris Thurs. Back and Bis Friday. I only do my sets of 5-6 on compound or major moves...benhc squat rows deads etc. Smaller shit is 8 to 10. Short and hard...I would laugh at some of these guys who say they could TRAIN 5-6 times a week. They would leave half way through my first leg or back day and then not walk for another 5 days, let alone train. If you can go to the gym 5-6 times a week with no drugs...YOU ARE NOT WORKING OUT HARD ENOUGH. PERIOD.
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Dude, are you really gonna go there with me? I am a national champion natrual powerlifter, competed in numerous bodybuilding shows, training with former Mr. Americas and Wrold Champion powerlifters...I am 5'6 215 with a near 400 bench, over 500 squat and over 600 dead...and I am fairly lean...lean enough to get in shape for a bodybuilding show in 8-10 if I chose to do so. What do you have to bring to this discussion? So yes...I have grown plenty with my approach...ass hat.
Good lifts man.
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Good lifts man.
Thanks.
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I go four times per week right now...Mon Tues Thurs Fri. I do each bodypart 1x per week. I do cardio 20 minutes after each workout too so that I can keep my calories up a bit. I do short, intense workouts...little rest as possible. Never use a belt or other crap unless I am doing singles. I prefer 5-6 rep range...with 6 being either spotted and forced, or bairly able to do it on my own...every set. With warm ups of course. I usually do shoulders and traps Mon. Legs and Calves Tuesday. Chest and Tris Thurs. Back and Bis Friday. I only do my sets of 5-6 on compound or major moves...benhc squat rows deads etc. Smaller shit is 8 to 10. Short and hard...I would laugh at some of these guys who say they could TRAIN 5-6 times a week. They would leave half way through my first leg or back day and then not walk for another 5 days, let alone train. If you can go to the gym 5-6 times a week with no drugs...YOU ARE NOT WORKING OUT HARD ENOUGH. PERIOD.
yes thats what im trying to say, but they dont listen. they prefer to do some triceps extensions instead.
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I go four times per week right now...Mon Tues Thurs Fri. I do each bodypart 1x per week. I do cardio 20 minutes after each workout too so that I can keep my calories up a bit. I do short, intense workouts...little rest as possible. Never use a belt or other crap unless I am doing singles. I prefer 5-6 rep range...with 6 being either spotted and forced, or bairly able to do it on my own...every set. With warm ups of course. I usually do shoulders and traps Mon. Legs and Calves Tuesday. Chest and Tris Thurs. Back and Bis Friday. I only do my sets of 5-6 on compound or major moves...benhc squat rows deads etc. Smaller shit is 8 to 10. Short and hard...I would laugh at some of these guys who say they could TRAIN 5-6 times a week. They would leave half way through my first leg or back day and then not walk for another 5 days, let alone train. If you can go to the gym 5-6 times a week with no drugs...YOU ARE NOT WORKING OUT HARD ENOUGH. PERIOD.
Holy shit you sound like a strong dude..... do you have any pics?
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Holy shit you sound like a strong dude..... do you have any pics?
I cannot tell if you are being sarcastic or not...but the answer is yes. Someone else...and DA or course were already asking me to post some pics. I moved this year and have to get competition photos out of the attic. As far as a current pic, I will snap a few with my cell phone this week and post for you...if you are trying to be funny...eat my ass...with grape jelly.
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Dude, are you really gonna go there with me? I am a national champion natrual powerlifter, competed in numerous bodybuilding shows, training with former Mr. Americas and Wrold Champion powerlifters...I am 5'6 215 with a near 400 bench, over 500 squat and over 600 dead...and I am fairly lean...lean enough to get in shape for a bodybuilding show in 8-10 if I chose to do so. What do you have to bring to this discussion? So yes...I have grown plenty with my approach...ass hat.
National champ in what fed? HAHAHA
I should compete there, I would be a national champ too! Hell, I think there would be about 8 guys who train at my gym who would be national champs.
If you think a 500lb squat is impressive, you've got the wrong fella.
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National champ in what fed? HAHAHA
I should compete there, I would be a national champ too! Hell, I think there would be about 8 guys who train at my gym who would be national champs.
If you think a 500lb squat is impressive, you've got the wrong fella.
AAU Raw Division smart guy...no drugs no shirt, wraps...belt optional. If you are so impressive, let's here what competions you have done...a few I have won are the AAU East Coast Classic, AAU NJ State Championshp, AAU Raw Nationals...all at 198lbs. I have competed in four or five others where I did not win. I also was Mr. Teen Philly many moons ago...1991 but that was juiced at 18...so I even know about that some. I placed 4rth with no drugs in the Mr. PA contest which was not drug tested...4 bodybuilding shows total. If 500 squat is not impressive lets hear about your competitions...have you ever had the nerve to strap on the trunks or wrestling suit and do your thing in front of everyone? Let's hear what makes you so impressive and to get back to the to[ic...dispute anything I said about how I train...aaaaand go.
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I go four times per week right now...Mon Tues Thurs Fri. I do each bodypart 1x per week. I do cardio 20 minutes after each workout too so that I can keep my calories up a bit. I do short, intense workouts...little rest as possible. Never use a belt or other crap unless I am doing singles. I prefer 5-6 rep range...with 6 being either spotted and forced, or bairly able to do it on my own...every set. With warm ups of course. I usually do shoulders and traps Mon. Legs and Calves Tuesday. Chest and Tris Thurs. Back and Bis Friday. I only do my sets of 5-6 on compound or major moves...benhc squat rows deads etc. Smaller shit is 8 to 10. Short and hard...I would laugh at some of these guys who say they could TRAIN 5-6 times a week. They would leave half way through my first leg or back day and then not walk for another 5 days, let alone train. If you can go to the gym 5-6 times a week with no drugs...YOU ARE NOT WORKING OUT HARD ENOUGH. PERIOD.
I agree 100%.
8)
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If you can go to the gym 5-6 times a week with no drugs...YOU ARE NOT WORKING OUT HARD ENOUGH. PERIOD.
agreed, 3-4 times a week is max for me
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National champ in what fed? HAHAHA
I should compete there, I would be a national champ too! Hell, I think there would be about 8 guys who train at my gym who would be national champs.
If you think a 500lb squat is impressive, you've got the wrong fella.
So where are your competitions there sparky?
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AAU Raw Division smart guy...no drugs no shirt, wraps...belt optional. If you are so impressive, let's here what competions you have done...a few I have won are the AAU East Coast Classic, AAU NJ State Championshp, AAU Raw Nationals...all at 198lbs. I have competed in four or five others where I did not win. I also was Mr. Teen Philly many moons ago...1991 but that was juiced at 18...so I even know about that some. I placed 4rth with no drugs in the Mr. PA contest which was not drug tested...4 bodybuilding shows total. If 500 squat is not impressive lets hear about your competitions...have you ever had the nerve to strap on the trunks or wrestling suit and do your thing in front of everyone? Let's hear what makes you so impressive and to get back to the to[ic...dispute anything I said about how I train...aaaaand go.
I've won both powerlifting meets, and bodybuilding shows.
You will soon learn that those accomplishments mean nothing on the internet, and in all reality, mean nothing to anyone but you.
I do these things for myself. Being an internet braggart proves nothing more than you believe your minor accomplishments make you something special.
You are not anything special.
If you were, you wouldn't have to tell me about your accomplishments, I would have already known.
Keep that in mind next time you're trying to impress someone with your mediocrity.
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Less is more:
what works for you may not work for others!!!
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I've won both powerlifting meets, and bodybuilding shows.
You will soon learn that those accomplishments mean nothing on the internet, and in all reality, mean nothing to anyone but you.
I do these things for myself. Being an internet braggart proves nothing more than you believe your minor accomplishments make you something special.
You are not anything special.
If you were, you wouldn't have to tell me about your accomplishments, I would have already known.
Keep that in mind next time you're trying to impress someone with your mediocrity.
1st off, Meltdown!!! Damn Poser, all of your threads are. Did you wake up on the wrongside of the bed?
2nd, Monster Hypocracy in the above statements. How are you going to attack Nick when you don't even have credibility here. You have less than 100 posts man.
Last, If you've won BB shows and are a powerlifter then why do you not have stars next to your name?
If you're the real deal man up and PM Ron your info and have him verify it. If you get stars Then I'll admit I was wrong about you, if not you're a POSER.
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1st off, Meltdown!!! Damn Poser, all of your threads are. Did you wake up on the wrongside of the bed?
2nd, Monster Hypocracy in the above statements. How are you going to attack Nick when you don't even have credibility here. You have less than 100 posts man.
Last, If you've won BB shows and are a powerlifter then why do you not have stars next to your name?
If you're the real deal man up and PM Ron your info and have him verify it. If you get stars Then I'll admit I was wrong about you, if not you're a POSER.
Hehe. Calm down, dball. I think this Nick guy also has super-noob status -ie. 64 vs. 66. You might be backing the wrong horse!?
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I've won both powerlifting meets, and bodybuilding shows.
You will soon learn that those accomplishments mean nothing on the internet, and in all reality, mean nothing to anyone but you.
I do these things for myself. Being an internet braggart proves nothing more than you believe your minor accomplishments make you something special.
You are not anything special.
If you were, you wouldn't have to tell me about your accomplishments, I would have already known.
Keep that in mind next time you're trying to impress someone with your mediocrity.
Classic. Pure Majestic keeps it real, this is great!
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Dr. C,
I'm as chill as can be brutha, I'm not saying he can't or shouldn't give training advice, it's a BB forum. He's been trolling all these threads. If he says hes done some shows, he should be able to back it up.
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i got a fucking great idea.....how about you train for what works best for YOU!!! everyone has a difference in ability to heal....
for example i can do 3 sets of squats and my wheels are sore for days but my biceps/back take a shitload of sets and reps to get stimulated and sore....i have done 5 days a week hammering out set after set and did not grow, just got tired and weak....4 times a week with around 12 sets per body part works great for me....i'm natural so i heal slower than the TEST/GH crowd
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I get great results off of training 3 times a week. I just do alot of compound movements and that taxes my muscles and CNS. I rest and eat the other days. I've been doing this for over 13 years so what works for me may not work for others.
Just do what works best for you, if you get caught up in what others tell you and switch your routine every time you think you find something better you will never give your body a chance to see what works and what doesnt. Give every workout at least 16 weeks to see if your body is responding. If your changing your workout everytime a new issue of FLEX comes out, you are banging your head against the wall.
Dballn247 8)
nice to see someone on her is a self thinker and not a follower....much props dballin
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Hire a personal trainer, take it from there dude. You seem a little confused with your questions in your threads.
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there's merit to both approaches, Dballin makes great points about gaining strength and mass i get the best results from training a bodypart once per week but i think you can do more workouts per week if they are short, some people need more rest, i would just get fatter with too many rest days ;D i remember Palumbo saying that more workouts per week is better for fat loss because you're burning more calories throughout the week.
true dat!! i am rooting for you bro....i hope you can stick to shedding and get cut....i think you will look great after cutting plus you will be able to stick it in all the haters fucking faces....if that isn't motivation, i don't know what is....make it happen!!
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1st off, Meltdown!!! Damn Poser, all of your threads are. Did you wake up on the wrongside of the bed?
2nd, Monster Hypocracy in the above statements. How are you going to attack Nick when you don't even have credibility here. You have less than 100 posts man.
Last, If you've won BB shows and are a powerlifter then why do you not have stars next to your name?
If you're the real deal man up and PM Ron your info and have him verify it. If you get stars Then I'll admit I was wrong about you, if not you're a POSER.
I am going to talk to Ron and send him my stuff...thanks for this advice. I did not know that is how it worked....
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I am going to talk to Ron and send him my stuff...thanks for this advice. I did not know that is how it worked....
Yes!
Then you can prove to everyone that you're legit! LOL!!!!!!!!
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1st off, Meltdown!!! Damn Poser, all of your threads are. Did you wake up on the wrongside of the bed?
2nd, Monster Hypocracy in the above statements. How are you going to attack Nick when you don't even have credibility here. You have less than 100 posts man.
Last, If you've won BB shows and are a powerlifter then why do you not have stars next to your name?
If you're the real deal man up and PM Ron your info and have him verify it. If you get stars Then I'll admit I was wrong about you, if not you're a POSER.
You'd be surprised who posts here for fun.
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You'd be surprised who posts here for fun.
who is this dishwasher?
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When i train twice or 3 times a week can see myself growing fast.
when i trained 5, 6 times a week i get overtrained and never grow muscle.
if you re natural 3 times a week is all you need.
discuss.
STFU
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Yes!
Then you can prove to everyone that you're legit! LOL!!!!!!!!
Dude...three things...first, I never claimed to be anything special...Squad asked me to post something about my current routine. He ASKED me...second, then you ripped me for no reason and ASKED me to post my competitions...so I did. I did not come here and say anything....I was ASKED about it and replied. Next time read the entire thread before you mouth off. Third...you still did not post anything about your shows, and you cannot dispute anything I have ever posted here about TRAINING. Politics, religion, girls, DA...sure...but not my training advice. I do not need to be "legit." I am working on my degree online so I am at my computer alot...and I started hanging out here while I am. The rest of the guys can tell who is a poser or not by the content of thier posts about training...not by thier trolling.
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Dude...three things...first, I never claimed to be anything special...Squad asked me to post something about my current routine. He ASKED me...second, then you ripped me for no reason and ASKED me to post my competitions...so I did. I did not come here and say anything....I was ASKED about it and replied. Next time read the entire thread before you mouth off. Third...you still did not post anything about your shows, and you cannot dispute anything I have ever posted here about TRAINING. Politics, religion, girls, DA...sure...but not my training advice. I do not need to be "legit." I am working on my degree online so I am at my computer alot...and I started hanging out here while I am. The rest of the guys can tell who is a poser or not by the content of thier posts about training...not by thier trolling.
Ok, cool.
As long as you know where you stand, I'm fine.
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Ok, cool.
As long as you know where you stand, I'm fine.
ROFL...cause that is my MAIN concern...as long as you are fine...