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By: Roger Simon
April 24, 2007 08:29 PM EST
Updated: April 24, 2007 09:07 PM EST
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0407/3684.html (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0407/3684.html)
Former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani
Republican presidential hopeful, former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani responds to a question at a town hall meeting during a campaign stop at New England College in Henniker, N.H.
MANCHESTER, N.H. - - Rudy Giuliani said if a Democrat is elected president in 2008, America will be at risk for another terrorist attack on the scale of Sept. 11, 2001.
But if a Republican is elected, he said, especially if it is him, terrorist attacks can be anticipated and stopped.
“If any Republican is elected president - - and I think obviously I would be the best at this - - we will remain on offense and will anticipate what (the terrorists) will do and try to stop them before they do it,” Giuliani said.
The former New York City mayor, currently leading in all national polls for the Republican nomination for president, said Tuesday night that America would ultimately defeat terrorism no matter which party gains the White House.
“But the question is how long will it take and how many casualties will we have?” Giuliani said. “If we are on defense (with a Democratic president,) we will have more losses and it will go on longer.”
“I listen a little to the Democrats and if one of them gets elected, we are going on defense,” Giuliani continued. “We will wave the white flag on Iraq. We will cut back on the Patriot Act, electronic surveillance, interrogation and we will be back to our pre-Sept. 11 attitude of defense.”
He added: “The Democrats do not understand the full nature and scope of the terrorist war against us.”
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After his speech to the Rockingham County Lincoln Day Dinner, I asked him about his statements and Giuliani said flatly: "America will safer with a Republican president."
Giuliani, whose past positions on abortion, gun control and gay rights have made him anathema to some in his party, believes his tough stance on national defense and his post-Sept. 11 reputation as a fighter of terrorism will be his trump card with doubting Republicans.
“This war ends when they stop coming here to kill us!” Giuliani said. “Never ever again will this country ever be on defense waiting for (terrorists) to attack us if I have anything to say about it. And make no mistake, the Democrats want to put us back on defense!”
Giuliani said terrorists “hate us and not because of anything bad we have done; it has nothing to do with Israel and Palestine. They hate us for the freedoms we have and the freedoms we want to share with the world.”
Giuliani continued: “The freedoms we have are in conflict with the perverted, maniacal interpretation of their religion.” He said Americans would fight for “freedom for women, the freedom of elections, freedom of religion, and the freedom of our economy.”
Addressing the terrorists directly, Giuliani said: “We are not giving that up and you are not going to take it from us!”
The crowd thundered its approval.
Giuliani also said that America had been naïve about terrorism in the past and had missed obvious signals.
“They were at war with us before we realized it, going back to 90s with all the Americans killed by the PLO and Hezbollah and Hamas,” he said. “They came here and killed us in 1993 (with the first attack on New York’s World Trade Center killing six people) and we didn’t get it. We didn’t get it that this was a war. Then Sept. 11, 2001 happened and we got it.”
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Here we go again, exactly what Cheney ran around telling the country in the last election, BOOO!!!! VOTE DEM AND YOU'RE ALL GOOOOING TO DIE!!!!
uhm... isn't that terrorism ???
(http://www.imagedonkey.com/out.php?i=20049_terrorism.jpg)
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But if a Republican is elected, he said, especially if it is him, terrorist attacks can be anticipated and stopped.
Wow, has such a mafia thug ring to it... :-\
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Campaign season soon will be upon us. We all might want to get used to meaningless political rhetoric. Even if it is inflammatory bullschit.
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remember the repubs playing the mushroom cloud ad nonstop right before the election?
you're stupid if you buy it.
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“I listen a little to the Democrats and if one of them gets elected, we are going on defense,” Giuliani continued. “We will wave the white flag on Iraq. We will cut back on the Patriot Act, electronic surveillance, interrogation and we will be back to our pre-Sept. 11 attitude of defense.”
He added: “The Democrats do not understand the full nature and scope of the terrorist war against us.”
He has a point. :-\
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He has a point. :-\
BB, you of all people do not understand the full nature and scope of the terrorist war against us.
You said oil had nothing to do with the war in Iraq, a statement which has been contradicted by Bush and Snow.
You've not even good at being a parrot neotaint. Imagine that. You're terrible at being a terrible person.
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BB, you of all people do not understand the full nature and scope of the terrorist war against us.
You said oil had nothing to do with the war in Iraq, a statement which has been contradicted by Bush and Snow.
You've not even good at being a parrot neotaint. Imagine that. You're terrible at being a terrible person.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0107614/
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Beach Bum,
everyone here knows you said the war in iraq had nothing to do with oil.
everyone here knows bush stood in the rose garden in december and said the war was about keeping oil prices low.
everyone here now knows you don't respect your President. Shame on you.
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Beach Bum,
everyone here knows you said the war in iraq had nothing to do with oil.
everyone here knows bush stood in the rose garden in december and said the war was about keeping oil prices low.
everyone here now knows you don't respect your President. Shame on you.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0109686/
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Beach Bum, the way you disrespect the President sickens me.
Even if you disagree with his policy and the war, at least have the dignity to respect the office.
Your statements about it "not being about the oil" when Bush says it is - that's just spreading bad information.
Why must you continually do that, Beach Bum? Don't you love America?
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By: Roger Simon
April 24, 2007 08:29 PM EST
Updated: April 24, 2007 09:07 PM EST
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0407/3684.html (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0407/3684.html)
Former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani
Republican presidential hopeful, former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani responds to a question at a town hall meeting during a campaign stop at New England College in Henniker, N.H.
MANCHESTER, N.H. - - Rudy Giuliani said if a Democrat is elected president in 2008, America will be at risk for another terrorist attack on the scale of Sept. 11, 2001.
But if a Republican is elected, he said, especially if it is him, terrorist attacks can be anticipated and stopped.
“If any Republican is elected president - - and I think obviously I would be the best at this - - we will remain on offense and will anticipate what (the terrorists) will do and try to stop them before they do it,” Giuliani said.
The former New York City mayor, currently leading in all national polls for the Republican nomination for president, said Tuesday night that America would ultimately defeat terrorism no matter which party gains the White House.
“But the question is how long will it take and how many casualties will we have?” Giuliani said. “If we are on defense (with a Democratic president,) we will have more losses and it will go on longer.”
“I listen a little to the Democrats and if one of them gets elected, we are going on defense,” Giuliani continued. “We will wave the white flag on Iraq. We will cut back on the Patriot Act, electronic surveillance, interrogation and we will be back to our pre-Sept. 11 attitude of defense.”
He added: “The Democrats do not understand the full nature and scope of the terrorist war against us.”
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Click here to submit yours.
Question The Candidates
After his speech to the Rockingham County Lincoln Day Dinner, I asked him about his statements and Giuliani said flatly: "America will safer with a Republican president."
Giuliani, whose past positions on abortion, gun control and gay rights have made him anathema to some in his party, believes his tough stance on national defense and his post-Sept. 11 reputation as a fighter of terrorism will be his trump card with doubting Republicans.
“This war ends when they stop coming here to kill us!” Giuliani said. “Never ever again will this country ever be on defense waiting for (terrorists) to attack us if I have anything to say about it. And make no mistake, the Democrats want to put us back on defense!”
Giuliani said terrorists “hate us and not because of anything bad we have done; it has nothing to do with Israel and Palestine. They hate us for the freedoms we have and the freedoms we want to share with the world.”
Giuliani continued: “The freedoms we have are in conflict with the perverted, maniacal interpretation of their religion.” He said Americans would fight for “freedom for women, the freedom of elections, freedom of religion, and the freedom of our economy.”
Addressing the terrorists directly, Giuliani said: “We are not giving that up and you are not going to take it from us!”
The crowd thundered its approval.
Giuliani also said that America had been naïve about terrorism in the past and had missed obvious signals.
“They were at war with us before we realized it, going back to 90s with all the Americans killed by the PLO and Hezbollah and Hamas,” he said. “They came here and killed us in 1993 (with the first attack on New York’s World Trade Center killing six people) and we didn’t get it. We didn’t get it that this was a war. Then Sept. 11, 2001 happened and we got it.”
I've been saying this for along time, why are you surprised? Anyone remember me saying that if we get a Dem/Lib as President the major cities and ports would become creaters :-\?
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Mr I,
How can you speak authoratively on what the Dems MIGHT do, when you don't even acknowledge what the CIA/FBI/Germany admits - Bush was warned about 911?
Look, do you think think Gore would have done NOTHING when given this information? If you believe this, then he would have done EXACTLY what Bush did.
In other words, stop bitching about the dems yard, cause your dog shit all over yours.
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Mr I,
How can you speak authoratively on what the Dems MIGHT do, when you don't even acknowledge what the CIA/FBI/Germany admits - Bush was warned about 911?
Look, do you think think Gore would have done NOTHING when given this information? If you believe this, then he would have done EXACTLY what Bush did.
In other words, stop bitching about the dems yard, cause your dog shit all over yours.
Warned about 9/11? Rob, can you imagine how many "warnings" a President gets a day, week, month or year? Which one's do you take seriously and which ones do you ignore?
I don't need to speak authoritatively on the dems might do, their history PROVES they do little to nothing. Gore? Gore was the vice pres when the USS Cole and all the embassy bombings were taking place, if Gore wanted to do something he could have recommended to Clinton to do something and what was done.........nothing.... ..and yes, judging by the hate speeches that Gore gives (on foreign soil mind you) he might have done less than Clinton if thats possible!
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youre very naive joe :(
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A pathetic attempt by Giuliani to not make himself look like a cross-dressing pussy for a change.
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remember the repubs playing the mushroom cloud ad nonstop right before the election?
you're stupid if you buy it.
Why? Its true. democrats will flee Iraq and proclaim Al Quaeda winners and then Al Quaeda says 'great, now we can blow something the fuck up in america!'
God , Al Quaeda will be giddy if a democrats win, who do you think Osama would vote for? Obama of course.
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Why? Its true. democrats will flee Iraq and proclaim Al Quaeda winners and then Al Quaeda says 'great, now we can blow something the fuck up in america!'
God , Al Quaeda will be giddy if a democrats win, who do you think Osama would vote for? Obama of course.
Dude, Bush and his generals let osama escape from the unbombed, unguarded north road in tora bora.
a 1000-vehicle caravan left in the middle of the battle and was not challenged.
that is when osama escaped, as our generals screamed, and Bush oversaw everything.
Now, I got a feeling osama ain't too skerred of Bush. 3 months after 9/11, and Bush let a 1000-car caravan drive to an airport, from tora bora where we knew osama was. You do the fcking math. Bush NEEDS osama alive - cause without a scary boogeyman, there is no need to keep repubs in office.
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I don't need to speak authoritatively on the dems might do, their history PROVES they do little to nothing. Gore? Gore was the vice pres when the USS Cole and all the embassy bombings were taking place, if Gore wanted to do something he could have recommended to Clinton to do something and what was done.........nothing.... ..
Not true.
After the barracks bombing in Saudi Arabia back in '96, the 'buddy system' was mandated for all enlisted personnel and all junior officers deployed overseas that summer.
I called 'bullshit', because it was an Air Force barracks that was hit, and I was in the freaken Navy.
At any rate, the 'buddy system' mandate meant that I was not permitted to drink a beer in peace.
Damn you, Bill Clinton!
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remember the repubs playing the mushroom cloud ad nonstop right before the election?
you're stupid if you buy it.
I would think that everyone by now would realize that the Democrats are weaker on defense. Not that an attack would for sure happen but I would give it better chances with the democrats in power.
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Dude, Bush and his generals let osama escape from the unbombed, unguarded north road in tora bora.
a 1000-vehicle caravan left in the middle of the battle and was not challenged.
that is when osama escaped, as our generals screamed, and Bush oversaw everything.
Now, I got a feeling osama ain't too skerred of Bush. 3 months after 9/11, and Bush let a 1000-car caravan drive to an airport, from tora bora where we knew osama was. You do the fcking math. Bush NEEDS osama alive - cause without a scary boogeyman, there is no need to keep repubs in office.
Thats ridiculous, if Osama dies or is dead, trust me, another boogey man will appear the next day.
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I would think that everyone by now would realize that the Democrats are weaker on defense. Not that an attack would for sure happen but I would give it better chances with the democrats in power.
because its true, we would play defense again instead of offense and i'm sure Al Quaeda would love to have the ball instead of playing defense. One gadget play for them and TOUCHDOWN!
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Thats ridiculous, if Osama dies or is dead, trust me, another boogey man will appear the next day.
Have to agree with that. OBL isn't the boogey man, the network of Al-queda is.
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I would think that everyone by now would realize that the Democrats are weaker on defense. Not that an attack would for sure happen but I would give it better chances with the democrats in power.
We could look at it this way - how "strong" are republicans on defense? Why the fvck is Osama sitll loose? If we know he's in the paki/afghan border, why aren't we there in any large force? We can put 160,000 men in iraq right now, but not 2,000 into that pastun region to kill osama?
And why hasn't osama been charged for 911? FBI - run by a repub choice mind you - says they have no evidence OBL was connected to 9/11. You would think the repubs, so "strong" on defense, would at least be able to make a case against osama.
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Thats ridiculous, if Osama dies or is dead, trust me, another boogey man will appear the next day.
NO ONE with the fear factor as osama, you know that
"Osama did 911" - remember?
they can't just paint a new guy as that evil. Every kid in america knows who osama is. No way you have that kinda household name value the next day.
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Have to agree with that. OBL isn't the boogey man, the network of Al-queda is.
Nooooooooooo way.
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We could look at it this way - how "strong" are republicans on defense? Why the fvck is Osama sitll loose? If we know he's in the paki/afghan border, why aren't we there in any large force? We can put 160,000 men in iraq right now, but not 2,000 into that pastun region to kill osama?
And why hasn't osama been charged for 911? FBI - run by a repub choice mind you - says they have no evidence OBL was connected to 9/11. You would think the repubs, so "strong" on defense, would at least be able to make a case against osama.
you realize in those mountains its like looking for a needle in a haystack, better we keep killing insurgents and Al Quaeda fellas that pop their heads out instead of looking for one old decrepid man that is most likely dead anyway.
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Nooooooooooo way.
So all we have to do is kill Osama and terrorism is over? Well hell then, lets kill him and be rid of terrorism forever!
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We could look at it this way - how "strong" are republicans on defense? Why the fvck is Osama sitll loose? If we know he's in the paki/afghan border, why aren't we there in any large force? We can put 160,000 men in iraq right now, but not 2,000 into that pastun region to kill osama?
And why hasn't osama been charged for 911? FBI - run by a repub choice mind you - says they have no evidence OBL was connected to 9/11. You would think the repubs, so "strong" on defense, would at least be able to make a case against osama.
No one knows why OBL is still loose, but I feel the Rebuplicans do more for the country's safety by being proactive and realizing that you can't use diplomacy with a terrorist group. As far as OBL being the boogeyman, you proved my point. Even if we kill/capture him today, Al-Queda is still going to be there and will be the boogeyman that gets the GOP elected
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So all we have to do is kill Osama and terrorism is over? Well hell then, lets kill him and be rid of terrorism forever!
of course not.
but once osama is dead, millions of americans are going to be MUCH more ready to end the war, you know this, right? Lot of people will just assume it's safer now.
The republicans will suffer politically when osama is dead - this is a fact, right?
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No one knows why OBL is still loose
Sorry man.
We do know.
In december 2001, every cable news show had generals on, and they all said the same thing: "CLOSE THE NORTH ROAD OR OSAMA WILL ESCAPE!"
Osama's 1000-car caravan escaped one day in the middle of a war with the most sophisticated military on earth surrounding them. Do you really believe our satellites "missed" 1000 cars in a row in the middle of a war?
We do know that a military decision was made to allow this path to remain unbombed and unguarded, and that 1000 cars escaped. That is why he is sitll out there.
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of course not.
but once osama is dead, millions of americans are going to be MUCH more ready to end the war, you know this, right? Lot of people will just assume it's safer now.
The republicans will suffer politically when osama is dead - this is a fact, right?
Will the republicans suffer when Osama dies? I don't think so.
Everyone I hope is bright enough to realize terrorism will not miss a beat when the old boy dies, hell i think he is already dead.
Every democrat is ready to tuck tail and run now, do i think republicans will be ready to tuck tail and run when osama dies? nope.
Republicans understand the big picture is TERRORISM, not OSAMA.
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Sorry man.
We do know.
In december 2001, every cable news show had generals on, and they all said the same thing: "CLOSE THE NORTH ROAD OR OSAMA WILL ESCAPE!"
Osama's 1000-car caravan escaped one day in the middle of a war with the most sophisticated military on earth surrounding them. Do you really believe our satellites "missed" 1000 cars in a row in the middle of a war?
We do know that a military decision was made to allow this path to remain unbombed and unguarded, and that 1000 cars escaped. That is why he is sitll out there.
I think there has to be more to the story, would like to hear from the commanders on the ground as opposed to a bunch of desk jockeys
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Will the republicans suffer when Osama dies? I don't think so.
Everyone I hope is bright enough to realize terrorism will not miss a beat when the old boy dies, hell i think he is already dead.
Every democrat is ready to tuck tail and run now, do i think republicans will be ready to tuck tail and run when osama dies? nope.
Republicans understand the big picture is TERRORISM, not OSAMA.
Then why did they use a BIG OSAMA FACE on ads which ran THOUSAND OF TIMES right before the 2006 elections?
They used his face to scare people into voting republican.
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Will the republicans suffer when Osama dies? I don't think so.
Everyone I hope is bright enough to realize terrorism will not miss a beat when the old boy dies, hell i think he is already dead.
Every democrat is ready to tuck tail and run now, do i think republicans will be ready to tuck tail and run when osama dies? nope.
Republicans understand the big picture is TERRORISM, not OSAMA.
I'm not tied to a particular party but this is the quote of the day
Republicans understand the big picture is TERRORISM, not OSAMA.
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I think there has to be more to the story, would like to hear from the commanders on the ground as opposed to a bunch of desk jockeys
the commanders on the ground have been some of the MOST VOCAL people as to how pissed they were about him escaping.
Every nation in the world watched them escape on their own satellites, it was no secret. Everyone talked about that unguraded road. hell, the northern alliance was ordered off of it because we were scared they'd see the caravan and open fire.
Osama was allowed to escape because if he hadn't, the war would have ended in early 2002 and we wouldn't have had the men and machines in place to declare war 15 months later in Iraq. It was part of the bigger plan, dude. If letting osama lives means we have access to 75 tillion in iraqi oil, it's an easy decision, right?
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the commanders on the ground have been some of the MOST VOCAL people as to how pissed they were about him escaping.
Every nation in the world watched them escape on their own satellites, it was no secret. Everyone talked about that unguraded road. hell, the northern alliance was ordered off of it because we were scared they'd see the caravan and open fire.
Osama was allowed to escape because if he hadn't, the war would have ended in early 2002 and we wouldn't have had the men and machines in place to declare war 15 months later in Iraq. It was part of the bigger plan, dude. If letting osama lives means we have access to 75 tillion in iraqi oil, it's an easy decision, right?
Hmmm, hard to believe it was purposeful. The war would still thrive without OBL however. Plenty of kooks to keep his flame alive.
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Then why did they use a BIG OSAMA FACE on ads which ran THOUSAND OF TIMES right before the 2006 elections?
They used his face to scare people into voting republican.
and it worked! GLORY GLORY!
Dont' worry, we will find another boogeyman before the 2008 election if Osama dies and we will plaster his face all over the media because everyone has an iq of 2 and will vote republican just cuz of that. *rolls eyes*
Folks don't vote democrat because they haven't had a candidate worth a crap since Bill Clinton and folks don't want to be taxed to death, and they don't want a guy whose opinion changes every other day because of popular opinion..
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Hmmm, hard to believe it was purposeful. The war would still thrive without OBL however. Plenty of kooks to keep his flame alive.
actually, the war in afghanistan would have ended very quickly. We went there to kill osama, AQ, and taleban. we had 10,000 of them (by far the majority) trapped. Then, 1000 cars left, went to the pak border, then continued to jalalabad airport where multiple planes leftin succession for Egypt.
If we had killed all 10,000 of those folks - we know osama and omar were there - al Q would have been close to death. The war in afghanistan CERTAINLY would have ended soon thereafter with no one left to fight.
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actually, the war in afghanistan would have ended very quickly. We went there to kill osama, AQ, and taleban. we had 10,000 of them (by far the majority) trapped. Then, 1000 cars left, went to the pak border, then continued to jalalabad airport where multiple planes leftin succession for Egypt.
If we had killed all 10,000 of those folks - we know osama and omar were there - al Q would have been close to death. The war in afghanistan CERTAINLY would have ended soon thereafter with no one left to fight.
That does it, i'm making you General and putting you in charge of the war, you leave in the morning. Since you could win this thing in a jiffy!
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That does it, i'm making you General and putting you in charge of the war, you leave in the morning. Since you could win this thing in a jiffy!
come on dude, you are honest with yourself and others here.
Why do you think 1000 cars were allowed to drive out of tora bora?
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DUBAI (Reuters) - Al Qaeda chief Osama bin Laden is orchestrating militants' operations in Iraq and Afghanistan, a senior commander of Afghan Islamist group Taliban said in remarks broadcast on Wednesday.
Bin Laden has not made any video statements for many months raising speculation that he might have died.
"He is drawing plans in Iraq and Afghanistan ... Praise God he is alive," Mullah Dadullah told Al Jazeera television.
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Dadullah said bin Laden ordered the attack on February 27 at the U.S. Bagram base during a visit by U.S. Vice President Dick Cheney to Afghanistan.
"Do you remember the martyrdom operation inside the Bagram base which targeted a senior American official ... this operation was the result of blessed plans put by him," Dadullah said. Jazeera said the U.S. official Dadullah was referring to was Cheney.
"He (bin Laden) guided us through it," he said, adding that no Afghan would have been able to penetrate the base if it was not for the world's most wanted militant.
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come on dude, you are honest with yourself and others here.
Why do you think 1000 cars were allowed to drive out of tora bora?
I dunno dude, i dunno why 1000 cars drove out, all i'm sure of is its not because of why u say it happened.
Remember , i don't believe in all your conspiracy nonsense.
I respect you, i just think you are a bit out there. I do enjoy your imagination though but if you won't be our general, then maybe you could write for the tv show 24, they love this stuff!
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I dunno dude, i dunno why 1000 cars drove out, all i'm sure of is its not because of why u say it happened.
Remember , i don't believe in all your conspiracy nonsense.
I don't have a conspiracy theory here.
I think it was a military decision to let Osama escape. the goal of Bush administration was energy - gain oil resources - and killing osama in 2001 would have also killed our war plans.
It's not any theory - it's an observation of what happened. We let him escape, boldly.
We did it so we could invade Iraq a year later.
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I don't have a conspiracy theory here.
I think it was a military decision to let Osama escape. the goal of Bush administration was energy - gain oil resources - and killing osama in 2001 would have also killed our war plans.
It's not any theory - it's an observation of what happened. We let him escape, boldly.
We did it so we could invade Iraq a year later.
It think most of what you say here is based in fact. We let Osama escape.
Perhaps Rooster will be willing to do a bit of research on his own to refute this.
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I don't have a conspiracy theory here.
I think it was a military decision to let Osama escape. the goal of Bush administration was energy - gain oil resources - and killing osama in 2001 would have also killed our war plans.
It's not any theory - it's an observation of what happened. We let him escape, boldly.
We did it so we could invade Iraq a year later.
Then why did Clinton let him go? He make plans with Bush to split the oil profits?
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Then why did Clinton let him go? He make plans with Bush to split the oil profits?
You are confusing your time lines O.R.
With Clinton, OBL was just another 2-bit terrorist.
With, BUSH, OBL is the mother of all terrorists. And BUSH let him go.
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You are confusing your time lines O.R.
With Clinton, OBL was just another 2-bit terrorist.
With, BUSH, OBL is the mother of all terrorists. And BUSH let him go.
hahahahahahaha, classic! That why when clinton saw the trade centers hit on 9/11 he said he immediately said OSAMA!
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With Clinton, OBL was just another 2-bit terrorist.
With, BUSH, OBL is the mother of all terrorists. And BUSH let him go.
True. And the taleban told clinton how to kill Osama, and gave him the coordinates. Clinton fired missiles and missed him by an hour, right?
In 2001, we had the most dangerous man in the world dead to rights, surrounded, after he killed 3000 Americans. And we watched 1000 cars leave. Inexcusable, unless the bigger plan involves a boogeyman.
Remind anyone of that plane of saudis and bin ladens who were allowed to sneak out of America on Sept 13th without being questioned? ;)
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hahahahahahaha, classic! That why when clinton saw the trade centers hit on 9/11 he said he immediately said OSAMA!
Doesn't change anything O.R.
Clinton let OBL go so to speak when he was terrorist who had done some jobs.
BUSH let him go AFTER he did the MOTHER of all jobs.
Your assertion doesn;t change anything. BUSH is stupid for letting him go, FAR more stupid then Clinton letting an ordinary terrorist go.
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True. And the taleban told clinton how to kill Osama, and gave him the coordinates. Clinton fired missiles and missed him by an hour, right?
In 2001, we had the most dangerous man in the world dead to rights, surrounded, after he killed 3000 Americans. And we watched 1000 cars leave. Inexcusable, unless the bigger plan involves a boogeyman.
Remind anyone of that plane of saudis and bin ladens who were allowed to sneak out of America on Sept 13th without being questioned? ;)
You mean the bin ladens that osama had been estragened from for decades? I guess by your logic we should execute the Va Tech's killers family.
Clinton in an interview after his presidency said he did not go after OSAMA because republicans would have said it was only to sway attention away from MonicaGate if he missed. Thats why your glorious clinton did not go after osama, because of a fucking blow job.
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It think most of what you say here is based in fact. We let Osama escape.
Perhaps Rooster will be willing to do a bit of research on his own to refute this.
I would like to see both sides prove thier points. I don't think this whole "let him go" has been proven on this board. Yes he might have escaped but has anyone been able to show it was on purpose?
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OzmO,
if you consider the larger plan - a sustained war for 7 to 10 years so we can grab control of middle eastern oil - then letting Osama go was planned.
Just like dragging out this war is planned.
The minute osama is dead and iraqi is peaceful and these attacks stop happening, guess what? We get sent home by the UN, and we lose the oil.
Watch and see. In October 2008, we'll magically "win" iraq and "kill" osama right as Bush leaves office. history will brand him a winner, and we'll have iraqi oil. The dems won't have an anti-war platform to run on. This shit it too easy.
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I would like to see both sides prove thier points. I don't think this whole "let him go" has been proven on this board. Yes he might have escaped but has anyone been able to show it was on purpose?
Of course. no one here has proven anything.
Which is why when someone says "we didn't do that, we wouldn't do that, he just got lucky", that's asinine.
And I sure as hell haven't proven anything.
it's just something else to look at and follow and think about. Interesting history.
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Doesn't change anything O.R.
Clinton let OBL go so to speak when he was terrorist who had done some jobs.
BUSH let him go AFTER he did the MOTHER of all jobs.
Your assertion doesn;t change anything. BUSH is stupid for letting him go, FAR more stupid then Clinton letting an ordinary terrorist go.
god the lengths you will go to proclaim bush a boogeyman is insane
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god the lengths you will go to proclaim bush a boogeyman is insane
And you counter counter your assumption about what lengths i will go through by bringing up clinton? ::)
It's no trouble to connect BUSH to not focusing on the target: OBL.
If he didn't start the Iraq war, I'd have little to say to about BUSH outside domestic issues.
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And you counter counter your assumption about what lengths i will go through by bringing up clinton? ::)
It's no trouble to connect BUSH to not focusing on the target: OBL.
If he didn't start the Iraq war, I'd have little to say to about BUSH outside domestic issues.
Hey even if Bush let OBL slip away, i'd still have voted bush and will definitely vote republican again this election.
Remember, i am a war monger and i wanted us to attack Iraq.
lunchtime, time to swat a few range balls. man living in disneyland is great.
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Hey even if Bush let OBL slip away, i'd still have voted bush and will definitely vote republican again this election.
Remember, i am a war monger and i wanted us to attack Iraq.
lunchtime, time to swat a few range balls. man living in disneyland is great.
That's what i like about you O.R., you are true to your word. :) (even though i disagree)
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I would like to see both sides prove thier points. I don't think this whole "let him go" has been proven on this board. Yes he might have escaped but has anyone been able to show it was on purpose?
No. But its a popular conspiracy theory. Then bush pushed down the detonator and blew up the world trade centers as he laughed maniacally!
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That's what i like about you O.R., you are true to your word. :) (even though i disagree)
and you and hedge are damn good moderators for letting my voice be heard!
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It's only fair that the Dems have there own 9/11 after all the Republicans have had thiers.
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It's only fair that the Dems have there own 9/11 after all the Republicans have had thiers.
Tack on 4 years of failure in Iraq.
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Tack on 4 years of failure in Iraq.
And outrageous spending.
And the Healthcare fiasco.
And the raping of the Constitution.
And alienating all of our allies.
And.....
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Here's what Bush Republicans really think about serving our country... as they send others to fight and die.
Republican Speaker of the House, Dennis Hastert, chose not to serve our country.
Former Republican House Majority Speaker, Dick Armey, chose not to serve our country.
Repblican Texas Senator Phil Gram got several deferments (4?).
Republican Jack Kemp chose not to serve our country, because of a “bad knee,” but that didn’t stop him from playing pro football. (No Pat Tillman he.)
Republican House Majority Leader, Tom DeLay, chose not to serve our country.
Republican House Majority Whip, Roy Blunt, chose not to serve our country.
Republican Representative Dana Rohrabacher chose not to serve our country.
Republican Senate Majority Leader, Bill Frist, chose not to serve our country.
Republican Majority Whip, Mitch McConnell, chose not to serve our country.
Republican Rick Santorum, third ranking Republican in the Senate, chose not to serve our country.
Former Republican Majority Leader, Trent Lott, chose not to serve our country.
Republican Bush official Elliot Abrams, convicted in Iran contra, chose not to serve our country.
Attorney General John Ashcroft received 7 deferments.
Jeb Bush chose not to serve our country.
Bush's chief political guru, Karl Rove, chose not to serve our country.
Republican moralizer in chief, Bill betting Bennett, chose not to serve our country.
Sean Hannity chose not to serve our country, but has no trouble denegrating any Democrat veteran.
Bill O'Reilly chose not to serve our country.
Rush Limbaugh got out because of a “pilonidal cyst” (read: boil on his butt), but has no trouble denegrating any Democrat veteran.
Former Republican Speaker of the House Newt Gingrich, and serial adulterer, chose not to serve our country.
Co-leader neocon and Iraqi war booster, Paul Wolfowitz, had no trouble sending others to die in war, but chose not to serve our country himself.
Co-leader neocon Iraqi booster, Richard Perle, also had no trouble sending others to die and get maimed in Iraq, but chose not to serve our country himself.
And Dick – doing business with the enemy, I had better things to do than serve my country – Cheney, seems to have received his last deferment by bedding down his wife and making her with child.
Democrats who served: Representative Dick Gephardt, Representative Bonoir, Senator Tom Daschle, Vice President Al Gore, Senator Bob Kerry, Senator Inouye, Senator John Kerry, Representative Charles Rangel, Senator Max Cleland, Senator Teddy Kennedy, Senator Tom Harkin, Senator Jack Reed, Senator Fritz Hollings, Boswell, Peterson, Thompson, McBridge, Pete Stark, Gray Davis... Senator George McGovern, Senator John Glenn, Vice President Walter Mondale, and, except for Ike, President Jimmy Carter, who served more years in the service than any other president.
Of course, there are many Democrats who didn’t serve our country, including President Bill Clinton.
However, Democrats aren’t the ones VILIFYING real VETERANS.
That would be the Bush-Cheney team, sanctioned by our “Mission Accomplished” commander in chief and his draft dodging Dick.
And what about George W. Bush’s service record, WHICH HE IS LYING ABOUT ON HIS RESUME?
Frankly, no one knows for sure.
There are missing, secret and scrubbed files.
And the White House won’t let anyone talk about it
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Keith Olbermann was in rare form after this provocation... ;D
http://www.crooksandliars.com/2007/04/25/olbermanns-special-comment-on-giulianis-fearmongering-how-dare-you-sir/
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He made an interesting point.
Is Rudy actually causing terror in people by saying "there will be another 911 if a dem wins"?
Is he using a threat of violence, playing upon the fear of people, to get his way? Isn't that what al quida does?
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you realize in those mountains its like looking for a needle in a haystack, better we keep killing insurgents and Al Quaeda fellas that pop their heads out instead of looking for one old decrepid man that is most likely dead anyway.
Well, Larry Miller found and interviewd him twice! The CIA can't even find his wives. And he's got like 10 or 11!
Maybe there are people here, in the US, who don't want the guy to be caught. Maybe, just maybe, people fear that since he is the finacier and capi-di-tutti-capi of AQ, once he's gone people will cease to be scared and start questioning things. I mean, with OBL caught, people will most likely demand a quick exit from Iraq, and God knows that is not to happen (at all costs!).
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am from nyc and i could tell you the media is just letting him off the hook for now
giving him rope to hang himself , wait till all the ''family'' history gets out and all the underhanded shit come out
and bernard keric will not help the matter either lol
it will be a media free for all next year !
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Giuliani is not sure about his own sexuality. How can we put him in power? Before you know it he'll be 69ing the British gay guy/president (Blair) in the oval office. Republicans are like that.
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Bill O'Reilly chose not to serve our country.
well, true... but he claims he did report from some war zones.
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well, true... but he claims he did report from some war zones.
LOL
"Bump"
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I've been saying this for along time, why are you surprised? Anyone remember me saying that if we get a Dem/Lib as President the major cities and ports would become creaters :-\?
......lol. Mr. Intenseone was coach is back old account.
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Beach Bum,
everyone here knows you said the war in iraq had nothing to do with oil.
everyone here knows bush stood in the rose garden in december and said the war was about keeping oil prices low.
everyone here now knows you don't respect your President. Shame on you.
LOL! What a great thread. :D
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Does Rudy see an opening? Is he going to run for President again? ::)
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Here's what Bush Republicans really think about serving our country... as they send others to fight and die.
Republican Speaker of the House, Dennis Hastert, chose not to serve our country.
Former Republican House Majority Speaker, Dick Armey, chose not to serve our country.
Repblican Texas Senator Phil Gram got several deferments (4?).
Republican Jack Kemp chose not to serve our country, because of a “bad knee,” but that didn’t stop him from playing pro football. (No Pat Tillman he.)
Republican House Majority Leader, Tom DeLay, chose not to serve our country.
Republican House Majority Whip, Roy Blunt, chose not to serve our country.
Republican Representative Dana Rohrabacher chose not to serve our country.
Republican Senate Majority Leader, Bill Frist, chose not to serve our country.
Republican Majority Whip, Mitch McConnell, chose not to serve our country.
Republican Rick Santorum, third ranking Republican in the Senate, chose not to serve our country.
Former Republican Majority Leader, Trent Lott, chose not to serve our country.
Republican Bush official Elliot Abrams, convicted in Iran contra, chose not to serve our country.
Attorney General John Ashcroft received 7 deferments.
Jeb Bush chose not to serve our country.
Bush's chief political guru, Karl Rove, chose not to serve our country.
Republican moralizer in chief, Bill betting Bennett, chose not to serve our country.
Sean Hannity chose not to serve our country, but has no trouble denegrating any Democrat veteran.
Bill O'Reilly chose not to serve our country.
Rush Limbaugh got out because of a “pilonidal cyst” (read: boil on his butt), but has no trouble denegrating any Democrat veteran.
Former Republican Speaker of the House Newt Gingrich, and serial adulterer, chose not to serve our country.
Co-leader neocon and Iraqi war booster, Paul Wolfowitz, had no trouble sending others to die in war, but chose not to serve our country himself.
Co-leader neocon Iraqi booster, Richard Perle, also had no trouble sending others to die and get maimed in Iraq, but chose not to serve our country himself.
And Dick – doing business with the enemy, I had better things to do than serve my country – Cheney, seems to have received his last deferment by bedding down his wife and making her with child.
Democrats who served: Representative Dick Gephardt, Representative Bonoir, Senator Tom Daschle, Vice President Al Gore, Senator Bob Kerry, Senator Inouye, Senator John Kerry, Representative Charles Rangel, Senator Max Cleland, Senator Teddy Kennedy, Senator Tom Harkin, Senator Jack Reed, Senator Fritz Hollings, Boswell, Peterson, Thompson, McBridge, Pete Stark, Gray Davis... Senator George McGovern, Senator John Glenn, Vice President Walter Mondale, and, except for Ike, President Jimmy Carter, who served more years in the service than any other president.
Of course, there are many Democrats who didn’t serve our country, including President Bill Clinton.
However, Democrats aren’t the ones VILIFYING real VETERANS.
That would be the Bush-Cheney team, sanctioned by our “Mission Accomplished” commander in chief and his draft dodging Dick.
And what about George W. Bush’s service record, WHICH HE IS LYING ABOUT ON HIS RESUME?
Frankly, no one knows for sure.
There are missing, secret and scrubbed files.
And the White House won’t let anyone talk about it
It is easy to be a hawk with someone else's life and limb at stake. ::)
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“But the question is how long will it take and how many casualties will we have?” Giuliani said. “If we are on defense (with a Democratic president,) we will have more losses and it will go on longer.”
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