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Monkey face strikes again HAHAHAHAHA
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I must admit watching him beat those drums, well lets just say Bill Clinton had a lot more rhythm blowing on his sax.
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And what is it Laura is grabbing? ;D
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Bears shit in the woods.
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hahaha, the poster that tried to call him and idIot can't even spell it. whats an IDOT?
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haha I thought it was funny
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Yeah? our president is an idiot?
What else is old?
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Yeah? our president is an idiot?
What else is old?
Some people need to be reminded.
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I think George Bush is a disaster as a president.
But in this case, I definitely think he's in the right. :o
What's wrong with showing some respect for another countrys music and culture by showing appreciation when visiting that country?
Credit where credit is due: Good on ya GWB. Slick move.
-Hedge
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The video is cool/funny, you can tell he's actually into it and not just putting on an act. At least we know his values and aren't left guessing what he will do like with other presidents, can any of you honestly say you would of rather had John Kerry at president ;D. He may not have been the best decision maker in the eyes of the public but we will all be thanking him when we still have oil in the future.
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The video is cool/funny, you can tell he's actually into it and not just putting on an act. At least we know his values and aren't left guessing what he will do like with other presidents, can any of you honestly say you would of rather had John Kerry at president ;D. He may not have been the best decision maker in the eyes of the public but we will all be thanking him when we still have oil in the future.
Bush is stubborn about his wrongs, and refuses to change his mind.
I actually think that's a negative trait of a leader.
-Hedge
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Bush is stubborn about his wrongs, and refuses to change his mind.
I actually think that's a negative trait of a leader.
-Hedge
Or he actually thinks he is doing whats best for the country and refuses to flip flop just to increase his popularity. I refer you to John Kerry
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Or he actually thinks he is doing whats best for the country and refuses to flip flop just to increase his popularity. I refer you to John Kerry
Well, then it's just a case of incompetence.
Refusing to see that fighting a war in Iraq and waging a confrontational foreign policy is hurting USA economically as well as politically, not only short-term, but long-term.
Either way, Bush has done terrible damage to USA.
McCain or Gore would've both been good or great choices, both would've been in pretty good balance with the other two branches as well too, IMO.
FWIW, none of the president candidates who could take office will be the same fcukup as Bush.
Giuliani or Edwards, they're who I see battling it out in the final.
-Hedge
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Or he actually thinks he is doing whats best for the country and refuses to flip flop just to increase his popularity. I refer you to John Kerry
Yes yes and YES!!! He is a great stand up man IMO.
Well, then it's just a case of incompetence.
Refusing to see that fighting a war in Iraq and waging a confrontational foreign policy is hurting USA economically as well as politically, not only short-term, but long-term.
Either way, Bush has done terrible damage to USA.
McCain or Gore would've both been good or great choices, both would've been in pretty good balance with the other two branches as well too, IMO.
FWIW, none of the president candidates who could take office will be the same fcukup as Bush.
Giuliani or Edwards, they're who I see battling it out in the final.
-Hedge
You'll be thanking him when we have Oil still coming in 10, 20, 30+ years from now. Don't forget the whole nation basically runs on OIL....
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Well, then it's just a case of incompetence.
Refusing to see that fighting a war in Iraq and waging a confrontational foreign policy is hurting USA economically as well as politically, not only short-term, but long-term.
Either way, Bush has done terrible damage to USA.
McCain or Gore would've both been good or great choices, both would've been in pretty good balance with the other two branches as well too, IMO.
FWIW, none of the president candidates who could take office will be the same fcukup as Bush.
Giuliani or Edwards, they're who I see battling it out in the final.
-Hedge
McCain would have us right where bush has us which is why i would vote for him.
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Yes yes and YES!!! He is a great stand up man IMO.
You'll be thanking him when we have Oil still coming in 10, 20, 30+ years from now. Don't forget the whole nation basically runs on OIL....
With another president, USA could have two things:
1. Much earlier started a serious venture into alternative fuels and resources that are found domestically. Also employed economical measures to ensure that the domestic car industry produced cars with low gas mileage/alternative fuels.
Essentially, USA only needs oil. If USA could get rid of the oil dependancy, USA would not have to take part in international trade, USA is self providing in all other areas, and that makes USA unique. No other nation is that independent.
Trade is a necessity to other countries, but extra-curricular to USA.
2. A foreign policy that would've ensured good relations with oil producing nations, making sure that USA had oil taps in all of the major oil nations in the world.
-Hedge
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With another president, USA could have two things:
1. Much earlier started a serious venture into alternative fuels and resources that are found domestically. Also employed economical measures to ensure that the domestic car industry produced cars with low gas mileage/alternative fuels.
Essentially, USA only needs oil. If USA could get rid of the oil dependancy, USA would not have to take part in international trade, USA is self providing in all other areas, and that makes USA unique. No other nation is that independent.
Trade is a necessity to other countries, but extra-curricular to USA.
2. A foreign policy that would've ensured good relations with oil producing nations, making sure that USA had oil taps in all of the major oil nations in the world.
-Hedge
Oil is used for thousands of things other then cars dipshit, your looking at this whole situation with a narrow point of view, and sorry but alternative fuels aren't great lubricants for industrial machinery IMO. Also with other countries like China developing as fast as they are importing and being able to afford it will be harder and harder.
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I love the honesty here.
I love it that the general notion of "we're not there for the oil" is only held by a few lost souls at this point.
I am so glad that people have the integrity and moral honesty to admit we are in iraq for their oil.
I'm not against it - it is what it is - taking resources from a weaker nation before someone else could do it.
I am against the outright lies. And for the most part, this place no longer reeks of them. bravo!
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I love the honesty here.
I love it that the general notion of "we're not there for the oil" is only held by a few lost souls at this point.
I am so glad that people have the integrity and moral honesty to admit we are in iraq for their oil.
I'm not against it - it is what it is - taking resources from a weaker nation before someone else could do it.
I am against the outright lies. And for the most part, this place no longer reeks of them. bravo!
Hell, i want all the oil in the middle east, not just Iraq's. Those folks are too whacko to control it.
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actually they're sane - and they'd prefer to sell it to Eur or China at a PROFIT than to us at a LOSS.
can't blame them, they gotta eat.
however, since we are getting beaten up in mnfg and globalization has killed our service advantage, we'rein trouble in the next few decades. nations like india and china are one generation away from doing EVERYTHING better than us - building shit, fixing shit, and any service.
So we gotta compete somehow. Stealing fits the bill!
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Oil is used for thousands of things other then cars dipshit, your looking at this whole situation with a narrow point of view, and sorry but alternative fuels aren't great lubricants for industrial machinery IMO. Also with other countries like China developing as fast as they are importing and being able to afford it will be harder and harder.
Hedgehog is correct about the value of alternative oils.
Here's a breakdown of what each barrel of oil yields for particular uses:
Petroleum Products Yielded from One Barrel of Crude, 2005 Product Gallons:
Finished Motor Gasoline 19.40
Distillate Fuel Oil 10.50
Kero-Type Jet Fuel 4.12
Petroleum Coke 2.23
Still Gas 1.81
Residual Fuel Oil 1.68
Liquefied Refinery Gas 1.51
Asphalt and Road Oil 1.34
Naptha for Feedstocks 0.59
Other Oils for Feedstocks 0.46
Lubricants 0.46
Kerosene 0.17
Miscellaneous Products 0.17
Special Naphthas 0.08
Finished Aviation Gasoline 0.04
Waxes 0.04
Total 44.60
The vast majority of uses for crude oil are as a fuel and clearly not as a lubricant. Synthetic lubricants exist, synthetic blends etc. Alternative lubricants exist: mineral, vegetable etc. http://www.eia.doe.gov/neic/infosheets/crudeproduction.html
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actually they're sane - and they'd prefer to sell it to Eur or China at a PROFIT than to us at a LOSS.
can't blame them, they gotta eat.
however, since we are getting beaten up in mnfg and globalization has killed our service advantage, we'rein trouble in the next few decades. nations like india and china are one generation away from doing EVERYTHING better than us - building shit, fixing shit, and any service.
So we gotta compete somehow. Stealing fits the bill!
Exactly, if we plan to still be the worlds most powerful country we have to start gathering up as much resources as we can. We need to think toward the future and even if we begin to rely more on non-gasoline powered cars we still need to think about what our major industries need and don't forget that tanks, planes/jets, troop transports etc... havn't been switching over to any kind of alternitive fuel so we still need oil to keep our armed forces going.
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Exactly, if we plan to still be the worlds most powerful country we have to start gathering up as much resources as we can. We need to think toward the future and even if we begin to rely more on non-gasoline powered cars we still need to think about what our major industries need and don't forget that tanks, planes/jets, troop transports etc... havn't been switching over to any kind of alternitive fuel so we still need oil to keep our armed forces going.
The first President Bush stated that our way of life in the US is not negotiable. That means taking by force, the rights to a foreign country's own natural resources.
As all the other rationales for the invasion melt away as lies, the oil rationale stands.
We could have thought "toward the future" re alternative fuels but we didn't.
Now the US is left with creating new and innovative reasons for stealing other countries's oil to maintain our way of life.
I'm no fatalist. I think the course can be changed. But there are too many oil men and other vested fossil fuel interests infesting our government.
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Exactly, if we plan to still be the worlds most powerful country we have to start gathering up as much resources as we can. We need to think toward the future and even if we begin to rely more on non-gasoline powered cars we still need to think about what our major industries need and don't forget that tanks, planes/jets, troop transports etc... havn't been switching over to any kind of alternitive fuel so we still need oil to keep our armed forces going.
We have alternatives in the works and they can be pulled out and put into place whenever we run out of oil. They just want to milk all the oil until there's no more of it, which means higher and higher profits for oil companies.. Higher corporate profits cause the US economy to grow.
We may have oil in the near future but we've essentially destroyed our reputation around the world and we've also given people a reason to actually hate us. This may or may nor have a negative impact on you, but your children and future Americans will have trouble on their hands.
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We have alternatives in the works and they can be pulled out and put into place whenever we run out of oil. They just want to milk all the oil until there's no more of it, which means higher and higher profits for oil companies.. Higher corporate profits cause the US economy to grow.
We may have oil in the near future but we've essentially destroyed our reputation around the world and we've also given people a reason to actually hate us. This may or may nor have a negative impact on you, but your children and future Americans will have trouble on their hands.
Nah, we can bitchslap this world silly for years and years to come. Always remember, this is our planet, the other nations are here on a guest pass from us. They cross us, we annihilate em.
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Nah, we can bitchslap this world silly for years and years to come. Always remember, this is our planet, the other nations are here on a guest pass from us. They cross us, we annihilate em.
No nations will cross us, but individual organizations will. This is a global economy now and what makes you think a group of hippies or extremists can't damage the states? And we have control for a few more decades until China catches up and you know they will because they're so much more efficient.. They're ability to provide cheap labor makes them more efficient and we already know they're smart as they have a higher mean IQ than the US. China and India are producing tube socks now, but they're venturing in oil refining, software, automobiles, banking and soon they'll do as much as the US. :-\ it's just a matter of time..
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We have alternatives in the works and they can be pulled out and put into place whenever we run out of oil. They just want to milk all the oil until there's no more of it, which means higher and higher profits for oil companies.. Higher corporate profits cause the US economy to grow.
We may have oil in the near future but we've essentially destroyed our reputation around the world and we've also given people a reason to actually hate us. This may or may nor have a negative impact on you, but your children and future Americans will have trouble on their hands.
Yeah but don't forget we can't switch to alternitives overnight and it will also be very costly at first to convert over so why not hold out as long a possible while perfecting it at the same time.
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Yeah but don't forget we can't switch to alternitives overnight and it will also be very costly at first to convert over so why not hold out as long a possible while perfecting it at the same time.
George W Bush only started this year to talk about alternative fuel sources, how USA should be less dependent on oil, and the efforts aren't exactly 100%.
With another president, chances are that this drive would've started much earlier, and with a bigger thrust.
As it happens, Bush is tied up in the oil lobby, a puppet.
IMO, it would have been somewhat understandable or maybe acceptable if Bush had gained something for the USA for all his efforts.
Ie, if you make omelette, you have to break some eggs, that kind of philosophy. That you will have to pay a price for giving benefits to the USA.
But it doesn't seem like Bush has managed to create anything worthwhile with his politics. He will leave a heavy bag of troubles to deal with for Giuliani or Edwards, or whoever replaces him.
-Hedge
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George W Bush only started this year to talk about alternative fuel sources, how USA should be less dependent on oil, and the efforts aren't exactly 100%.
With another president, chances are that this drive would've started much earlier, and with a bigger thrust.
As it happens, Bush is tied up in the oil lobby, a puppet.
IMO, it would have been somewhat understandable or maybe acceptable if Bush had gained something for the USA for all his efforts.
Ie, if you make omelette, you have to break some eggs, that kind of philosophy. That you will have to pay a price for giving benefits to the USA.
But it doesn't seem like Bush has managed to create anything worthwhile with his politics. He will leave a heavy bag of troubles to deal with for Giuliani or Edwards, or whoever replaces him.
-Hedge
I think in the end we will get something major from this, who knows what they have planned but if it all works things could change allot for the better. Countries have been fighting over resources for as long as we have been here, this is a time for us to take ahold of a region that everyone would like to have but we are the only ones with the balls to make a big presence there. We may look back at this and say thank god we have all this oil, took down extremist and are still the most influential and powerfull country in the world.
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I think in the end we will get something major from this, who knows what they have planned but if it all works things could change allot for the better. Countries have been fighting over resources for as long as we have been here, this is a time for us to take ahold of a region that everyone would like to have but we are the only ones with the balls to make a big presence there. We may look back at this and say thank god we have all this oil, took down extremist and are still the most influential and powerfull country in the world.
You should just change your screen name to Polly Anna. :-\
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You should just change your screen name to Polly Anna. :-\
Sorry I try to keep a positive mentality rather then the constantly unhappy crybaby non stop bitching type of attitude most the fags of the U.S. have. I didn't know it wasn't cool to agree with your government and support them in what there doing, I must be unamerican. ::)
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George W Bush only started this year to talk about alternative fuel sources, how USA should be less dependent on oil, and the efforts aren't exactly 100%.
With another president, chances are that this drive would've started much earlier, and with a bigger thrust.
As it happens, Bush is tied up in the oil lobby, a puppet.
IMO, it would have been somewhat understandable or maybe acceptable if Bush had gained something for the USA for all his efforts.
Ie, if you make omelette, you have to break some eggs, that kind of philosophy. That you will have to pay a price for giving benefits to the USA.
But it doesn't seem like Bush has managed to create anything worthwhile with his politics. He will leave a heavy bag of troubles to deal with for Giuliani or Edwards, or whoever replaces him.
-Hedge
I would love to see where lobbying money comes from. Is there a record somewhere of what people recieve and from who? I bet all politicians (both sides) are tied up in the Oil lobby. And if they don't recieve direct dollars from the oil company I bet they recieve money from a company that benefits from oil. As soon as corn farmers can fess up enough lobby money to compete with oil companies I don't see this problem going away.
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Indiana Department of Transportation ???
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Sorry I try to keep a positive mentality rather then the constantly unhappy crybaby non stop bitching type of attitude most the fags of the U.S. have. I didn't know it wasn't cool to agree with your government and support them in what there doing, I must be unamerican. ::)
FWIW, whoever takes over after Bush, will be equally hammered or even more in the media.
After the usual 3-4 month honeymoon, then the media and everyone will start to look for faults in the new Commander in Chief.
It's the way things works.
Clinton always provided Leno and Letterman with tons of material. Just as Bush is.
Nothing has changed.
So if Giuliani wins, or if Edwards or Clinton wins, most people on this board, six months into the presidency or so, will be finding tons of flaws.
The nature of the beast.
Although, Bush isn't just suffering from this, he's not a good president period.
-Hedge
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FWIW, whoever takes over after Bush, will be equally hammered or even more in the media.
After the usual 3-4 month honeymoon, then the media and everyone will start to look for faults in the new Commander in Chief.
It's the way things works.
Clinton always provided Leno and Letterman with tons of material. Just as Bush is.
Nothing has changed.
So if Giuliani wins, or if Edwards or Clinton wins, most people on this board, six months into the presidency or so, will be finding tons of flaws.
The nature of the beast.
Although, Bush isn't just suffering from this, he's not a good president period.
-Hedge
Well one great trait I have is I don't take anything the media says seriously and don't get caught up in there fucked up views. I actually must say I hate the media regarding almost every issue political or not. The media could never convince me to like or dislike anyone.
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this year, the crops planted specifically for ethanol in the US was the largest since WWII.
That's a good sign. there will be an adjustment period, but they know something we don't. perhaps peak oil is close. perhaps iraq is the last tap solution. who knows.
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this year, the crops planted specifically for ethanol in the US was the largest since WWII.
That's a good sign. there will be an adjustment period, but they know something we don't. perhaps peak oil is close. perhaps iraq is the last tap solution. who knows.
That's conspiracy thinking, making a drama of everything, making everything exciting.
It could be that Bush Administration finally realised that alternative fuel sources isn't just Greenpeace talk, but actually a way out of oil dependency.
-Hedge
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That's conspiracy thinking, making a drama of everything, making everything exciting.
It could be that Bush Administration finally realised that alternative fuel sources isn't just Greenpeace talk, but actually a way out of oil dependency.
-Hedge
Well they need to know vehicles will be built which use it and that comes down to the auto makers. Also over the past few years people have been more willing to try out those kinds of vehicles especially since they can still drive there SUV's and Trucks while using it, something not possible 5 years ago.
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Well they need to know vehicles will be built which use it and that comes down to the auto makers. Also over the past few years people have been more willing to try out those kinds of vehicles especially since they can still drive there SUV's and Trucks while using it, something not possible 5 years ago.
The government could do a couple of things to benefit alternative fuel sources:
1. Tax cuts, benefits and funds directed towards research and development of cars running on alternative sources.
2. A tax raise over a few years on gas, making it progressively more expensive, in a couple more years getting it up to around $10-12 a gallon, with the all the funds from the gas taxes going straight to the development of alternative fuels.
Especially 2. would get the car industry producing effective cars and alternative cars in no-time.
It would make it economically sound for them to put resources into develop for that market.
But Bush caters to the oil sheiks. He's in bed with the Saudi Royal family. >:(
And the American people (and the world), is getting fcuked in the meantime.
-Hedge
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The government could do a couple of things to benefit alternative fuel sources:
1. Tax cuts, benefits and funds directed towards research and development of cars running on alternative sources.
2. A tax raise over a few years on gas, making it progressively more expensive, in a couple more years getting it up to around $10-12 a gallon, with the all the funds from the gas taxes going straight to the development of alternative fuels.
Especially 2. would get the car industry producing effective cars and alternative cars in no-time.
It would make it economically sound for them to put resources into develop for that market.
But Bush caters to the oil sheiks. He's in bed with the Saudi Royal family. >:(
And the American people (and the world), is getting fcuked in the meantime.
-Hedge
I believe there is already tax cuts for using hybrids or alternitive fuel cars.
Number 2 would and could not work, what about all the people who can't afford new cars, how can they pay outrageous gasoline prices when they make under 20K a year. It would just be unfair. Also the prices are going to go up regardless so why make it even worse with a tax. I say find stupid shit we don't need and put more taxes on that. You can't just force big taxes on such a huge industry and something people rely on not just want, it would end up with another Boston Tea Party type of scenario, it affects millions of people inside and outside of that industry. There is no quick way to get around this, it will take time (like 15-20years at least) to have up to 50% of vehicles on alternitives.
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I believe there is already tax cuts for using hybrids or alternitive fuel cars.
Number 2 would and could not work, what about all the people who can't afford new cars, how can they pay outrageous gasoline prices when they make under 20K a year. It would just be unfair. Also the prices are going to go up regardless so why make it even worse with a tax. I say find stupid shit we don't need and put more taxes on that. You can't just force big taxes on such a huge industry and something people rely on not just want, it would end up with another Boston Tea Party type of scenario, it affects millions of people inside and outside of that industry. There is no quick way to get around this, it will take time (like 15-20years at least) to have up to 50% of vehicles on alternitives.
The reason to put hevy taxes on gas and transfer the funds from those taxes to alternative resources, as well as community transports, and such, is that it would give the resources for a faster transformation, which would benefit all.
It would have to be done gradually of course, and by making investments in public transportations/ public transportation infrastructure, those with poor economy, would not suffer, but rather possibly be even better off.
What I mean with p.t. infrastructure, is that every major city in the USA, lets say with more than 500 000 citizens, should have some kind of subway system. It would free up the downtowns and make it all helluva more efficient and productive too.
High tax on gas would have to be done gradually, and poor people would have to be monitored. But it is probably the best way USA can get less dependant on oil. As USA is highly independent in every other aspect.
-Hedge
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The reason to put hevy taxes on gas and transfer the funds from those taxes to alternative resources, as well as community transports, and such, is that it would give the resources for a faster transformation, which would benefit all.
It would have to be done gradually of course, and by making investments in public transportations/ public transportation infrastructure, those with poor economy, would not suffer, but rather possibly be even better off.
What I mean with p.t. infrastructure, is that every major city in the USA, lets say with more than 500 000 citizens, should have some kind of subway system. It would free up the downtowns and make it all helluva more efficient and productive too.
High tax on gas would have to be done gradually, and poor people would have to be monitored. But it is probably the best way USA can get less dependant on oil. As USA is highly independent in every other aspect.
-Hedge
But what about the large number of people living outside of big cities. Not all poor people live in big cities, there isn't that much of the total population that lives in cities of 500,000 or more.
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But what about the large number of people living outside of big cities. Not all poor people live in big cities, there isn't that much of the total population that lives in cities of 500,000 or more.
The building of the subways is only one part.
There could be a big expansion of public transportation system, buses, as well.
But like I mentioned, the developing situation has to be monitored carefully, especially for those with tight budgets.
-Hedge
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The building of the subways is only one part.
There could be a big expansion of public transportation system, buses, as well.
But like I mentioned, the developing situation has to be monitored carefully, especially for those with tight budgets.
-Hedge
Well yeah I get it but like I said what about people who live in rural areas who have to travel a fair distance to even get to the next house or people in town of less then 5,000. If anything make it a city tax and not a federal one so only those living in those big cities would be forced to use alternitive cars/fuels or use public trans.
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Well yeah I get it but like I said what about people who live in rural areas who have to travel a fair distance to even get to the next house or people in town of less then 5,000. If anything make it a city tax and not a federal one so only those living in those big cities would be forced to use alternitive cars/fuels or use public trans.
Something like that yeah. People in Montana and other places that doesn't have electricity yet ;D need some kind of break.
What this should be, I don't really know, but somehow it needs to be addressed.
I'm confident that as long as these obstacles are brought up, they will be taken into consideration.
Eg, in Norway, people living in the outback gets tax breaks. In Sweden, there are tax cuts for those who have big mileage when driving to work.
Just some examples.
I'm not saying these things are what should be done in the US, but rather mentioning them as an example of how there is possibilities to adjust for higher expenses in the wild.
Bottom line though: USA needs to become less oil dependent. Fast. And without the low income class suffering from it.
-Hedge