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Fucking pigs.
You have no excuses, not one.
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Fucking pigs.
You have no excuses, not one.
Fuck you asshole. Tell the fuckers not to act like assholes and assault police.
"On Wednesday night, the mayor and police chief want to know how a peaceful demonstration came to this.The march had just ended at a large park near downtown Los Angeles. Police were trying to move people off the street when some demonstrators threw bottles and cans.
Officers in riot gear move in, clearing the park firing tear gas and rubber bullets, also using their batons. Ahead of them was a mix of demonstrators, street vendors, bystanders, and members of the press."
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The official department position was that they warned the crowd with an announcement, then used force.
Multiple videotapes show they gave no warning - they just opened fire.
There is no excuse for lying about it. They may or may not have been justified in their use of force - we do not know yet. But we DO know they were caught in a big lie about what started it - which cripples their credibility on the rest of the day's events.
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Fuck you asshole. Tell the fuckers not to act like assholes and assault police.
"On Wednesday night, the mayor and police chief want to know how a peaceful demonstration came to this.The march had just ended at a large park near downtown Los Angeles. Police were trying to move people off the street when some demonstrators threw bottles and cans.
Officers in riot gear move in, clearing the park firing tear gas and rubber bullets, also using their batons. Ahead of them was a mix of demonstrators, street vendors, bystanders, and members of the press."
cap86,
should we hold the police accountable for lying?
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cap86,
should we hold the police accountable for lying?
You think the whole truth is out? With all the confusion there was no orders given? Is there footage yet of the people throwing shit at the police?
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You think the whole truth is out? With all the confusion there was no orders given? Is there footage yet of the people throwing shit at the police?
Of course the people threw shit. Of course, they responded with necessary force. That isn't where I have an argument - I will agree to all those points.
MY BEEF - and what many are upset about - is that the LAPD put out a statement telling the world that they megaphoned announcements to the crowd - and THEY DIDN'T.
The whole thing was being broadcast on multiple TV stations, and the LAPD never gave any announcement. The police chief admitted the statement wasn't correct today when he cancelled his vacation and vowed to get to the bottom of this deception. So it's not an issue of "IF" they put out a false statement - the chief agrees they did.
In light of this - what are your thoughts on a police force which puts out lies?
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Of course the people threw shit. Of course, they responded with necessary force. That isn't where I have an argument - I will agree to all those points.
MY BEEF - and what many are upset about - is that the LAPD put out a statement telling the world that they megaphoned announcements to the crowd - and THEY DIDN'T.
The whole thing was being broadcast on multiple TV stations, and the LAPD never gave any announcement. The police chief admitted the statement wasn't correct today when he cancelled his vacation and vowed to get to the bottom of this deception. So it's not an issue of "IF" they put out a false statement - the chief agrees they did.
In light of this - what are your thoughts on a police force which puts out lies?
Simple, (and trust me when I say I know) this chief is a douche and they will say ANYTHING to get him another term. His command staff is a piece of shit. Damage control now for Bill B. PM me for details Rob.
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I guess my beef is, as a regular citizen - why would the police be allowed to lie to the public about something so painfully obvious?
The minute you say it's okay for the police to lie about circumstances leading to the use of force, 2 things will happen. One, we're not gonna trust/help/obey the police. And two, other departments are going to lie at their convenience too. Suppose ten people had died at that protest form police bullets. Would the warning lie be a big deal then?
You gotta draw lines - and say we, as a public, aren't going to permit boldfaced lies.
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I guess my beef is, as a regular citizen - why would the police be allowed to lie to the public about something so painfully obvious?
The minute you say it's okay for the police to lie about circumstances leading to the use of force, 2 things will happen. One, we're not gonna trust/help/obey the police. And two, other departments are going to lie at their convenience too. Suppose ten people had died at that protest form police bullets. Would the warning lie be a big deal then?
You gotta draw lines - and say we, as a public, aren't going to permit boldfaced lies.
And what I am saying it is wrong and it reflects on the command staff who are incompetent, not the grunt police. They SHOULD NOT be able to lie if that indeed happen. My original beef is with TRE calling them Racist and pigs.
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And what I am saying it is wrong and it reflects on the command staff who are incompetent, not the grunt police. They SHOULD NOT be able to lie if that indeed happen. My original beef is with TRE calling them Racist and pigs.
I wouldn't call them racist and/or pigs.
I would say they put out a lie. With city letterhead. We're cool there.
I gotta admit... while I think when the police say to leave, you should leave... some of the video looked bad. An NBC cameraman getting knocked down BY COPS, kicked while in the fetal position BY COPS, then having his camera picked up and thrown to the ground BY COPS.
They can use their tools, training, and legal force. However, I am not sure that "smashing the camera of a guy in an NBC jacket" reeks of standard police protocol. ;)
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I wouldn't call them racist and/or pigs.
I would say they put out a lie. With city letterhead. We're cool there.
I gotta admit... while I think when the police say to leave, you should leave... some of the video looked bad. An NBC cameraman getting knocked down BY COPS, kicked while in the fetal position BY COPS, then having his camera picked up and thrown to the ground BY COPS.
They can use their tools, training, and legal force. However, I am not sure that "smashing the camera of a guy in an NBC jacket" reeks of standard police protocol. ;)
It doesnt matter when they are dispersing a crowd.
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The official department position was that they warned the crowd with an announcement, then used force.
Multiple videotapes show they gave no warning - they just opened fire.
There is no excuse for lying about it. They may or may not have been justified in their use of force - we do not know yet. But we DO know they were caught in a big lie about what started it - which cripples their credibility on the rest of the day's events.
Chief Bratton is claiming that they gave the announcement from a helicopter flying overhead.
Unreal.
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Fuck you asshole. Tell the fuckers not to act like assholes and assault police.
Yeah, gotta love all those cameramen and reporters who were 'assaulting' the police.
Get real.
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Yeah, gotta love all those cameramen and reporters who were 'assaulting' the police.
Get real.
Yea that ghetto trash that threw bottles and everything when they told them to leave. Read the whole post.
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Is there footage yet of the people throwing shit at the police?
Not yet, but it doesn't matter.
The police are arguing that there were 'about 50' agitators in the crowd who were there to deliberately provoke a confrontation with police. Even if that's true (and it's certainly likely that there were some intentional agitators present), then why were the police firing indiscriminantly into the crowd? And why were they observed beating unarmed civilians who'd been knocked to the ground by the slow stampede?
Even though there were no serious injuries, this was a very, very bad scene. Thankfully, I live up in Ventura County where all the cool cops are.
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Simple, (and trust me when I say I know) this chief is a douche and they will say ANYTHING to get him another term. His command staff is a piece of shit. Damage control now for Bill B. PM me for details Rob.
You're 100% correct here. He is charged with getting as many Latinos jailed as he can before he's booted from his post.
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My original beef is with TRE calling them Racist and pigs.
If our race-baiting politicians had not created this articial "immigration battleground", this never would've happened.
The people in Washington have deliberately created this "us (White) vs them (Latino immigrants)" fight in order to help keep themselves in power.
There should've been no demonstration in the first place.
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It doesnt matter when they are dispersing a crowd.
The amount of force used was WAY out of proportion with the situation at hand.
The next time a cop gets beaten down in the street, I guarantee people are going to be a lot less sympathetic.
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Tell them to get fucing jobs and quit collecting welfare checks. Today my sister got a flat tire (she is on college at LSU) and drive to Wal Mart to get it fixed, they said they had no workers....she drove to another Wal Mart to get the tire fixed some stupid black person pulled the nail out and wiggled it around, she called and told me and I told her to try to drive it to Wal Mart after calling up to Wal Mart and knew I was going to get nowhere with that blackie. So she drove her car to Sears and got it fixed. Stupid fucing blackies don't want to work, they just sit around and collect welfare checks.
Last week I had a blackie in my class(not even sure how he made it in this school, probably threw the race card) and threw a hissy fit since the professor posted grades on the board and he got a D (8 other people got D's they were white) he gets up and played the race card, i've seen his work it was F material.
I was pissed on my sister I went to visit her and I went to check her oil, and I told her she needed to get it changed 2 weeks ago, she went to QuickLube and they said they have no one to work, till weds.
Baton Rouge, La LSU, I thought all the black people from the hurricance evacuated that away? No...YES!!! Crime shot up, my sisters car was broken into TWICE her atm card stolen.....hmmmm guess who done it two blacks from N.O.
Government needs to quit giving them money, make them get jobs....statistics prove they are not working just making babies to collect fatter checks!! Site source.....many
I'm sure this thug had it coming!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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RE: Tre
That is normal use of force with a crowd that size. Rubber pellets are shot at the ground and bounce up, that is a fact. Tear gas is great at dispersing, why not use it. Bratton is the worst LAPD chief ever and his command staff is shit. They are to blame and hopefully this keeps him from a second term. Baton strikes are also normal. Just the way it is.
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I'm going to go get myself a baton, start takin care of bizzness.
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It doesnt matter when they are dispersing a crowd.
They can kick a man in the gut when he is in the fetal position, not moving?
They can pick up his property, and smash it on the ground, as he lies there not moving?
Please tell me you're not serious.
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when you deal with animals on a daily basis you begin to see them and treat them as such ... black cops would do that same shit
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They can kick a man in the gut when he is in the fetal position, not moving?
They can pick up his property, and smash it on the ground, as he lies there not moving?
Please tell me you're not serious.
SO far I have searched on YOutube and seen nothing you report. They clearly say, "move away from the skirmish line or you will be arrested." Sounds like a Verbal order to me.
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MSNBC played it tonight. Guy was from NBC latin station. It was #2 story on Countdown wth Olbermann tonight. Coming on msnbc now, if you want to tune in at 12:40 EST or so (38 min from now)
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They probably injured a few of the low life's waving Mexican Flags at least. ???
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The people in Washington have deliberately created this "us (White) vs them (Latino immigrants)" fight in order to help keep themselves in power.
I hear they did the same thing with Arabs, after 19 of them managed to destory 8 buildings on 9/11 ;)
Remember... you can't be the good guy, if there's no bad guy.
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I hear they did the same thing with Arabs, after 19 of them managed to destory 8 buildings on 9/11 ;)
Remember... you can't be the good guy, if there's no bad guy.
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White Racist Police Thugs on the Loose in L.A. Again
Teh awesome! :D
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They probably injured a few of the low life's waving Mexican Flags at least. ???
lol, just spit my water out. If people don't see the writing on the wall then were in.....deep trouble. My grandfather predicted a mexican president 9 years ago...I thought it was crazy talk until a few years ago when he brought it up again...
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... black cops would do that same shit
The Asian cops were in on it, too. I have not yet seen any damning footage of the Black or Latino officers who were present. I'm sure they were involved, though.
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I haven't seen it yet, but what were they protesting? Were they ILLEGALS? If so, Fu-- em and send them back as soon as possible.
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I had a couple of friends see it live. Police didn't give them a warning as far as they could hear. When you get a peaceful protest broken up with force, you know someone must've been trippin. Even media people were getting thrown out of the way, it's disturbing when you see people get shot without warning.
I live in LA and I've had numerous experience with LAPD dumbassness. This shouldn't come as a surprise tho. Racism, brutality, stupidity, you name it they got it. They 've done all they can for the city but they can't be given this much privilege.
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Racism, brutality, stupidity, you name it they got it.
...murderers, rapists, drug dealers, cop killers, thugs, pedophiles, immigrants, they sure do. This was a planned out orchestrated event, it began as a illegal imigration march....then when they saw it would not have a large impact they added it was a war protest...the writing is on the wall..they invoked this situation on themselves. As for the media getting some bumps and bruises, it's their job, by being in the crowd they were being part of the problem. As for Children and babies being at a protest, well their fathers should be charged by police and CPSS.
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...murderers, rapists, drug dealers, cop killers, thugs, pedophiles, immigrants, they sure do. This was a planned out orchestrated event, it began as a illegal imigration march....then when they saw it would not have a large impact they added it was a war protest...the writing is on the wall..they invoked this situation on themselves. As for the media getting some bumps and bruises, it's their job, by being in the crowd they were being part of the problem. As for Children and babies being at a protest, well their fathers should be charged by police and CPSS.
You must've been 'educated' in Amerika.
Your mother must be proud.
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I had a couple of friends see it live. Police didn't give them a warning as far as they could hear. When you get a peaceful protest broken up with force, you know someone must've been trippin. Even media people were getting thrown out of the way, it's disturbing when you see people get shot without warning.
I live in LA and I've had numerous experience with LAPD dumbassness. This shouldn't come as a surprise tho. Racism, brutality, stupidity, you name it they got it. They 've done all they can for the city but they can't be given this much privilege.
Things like this happen and then they ask us to teach our kids to respect the uniform.
L.A. is so large that when you see this incident, it cannot help but make the job tougher for officers all over the country.
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Fucking pigs.
You have no excuses, not one.
they should have used REAL bullets on the punks.
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they should have used REAL bullets on the punks.
So when do you report to the Akademy?
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You must've been 'educated' in Amerika.
Your mother must be proud.
She's not so happy that blacks and mexicans have all sorts of options and outlets to our system and can go to school for FREE, and collect thousands of dollars.
You must be real happy ::)
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Illegals have no real right to be here in the first place and when they fucking protest it's pushing it. Can't say I feel sorry for them.
Quote from: Tre on May 02, 2007, 08:20:42 PM
The people in Washington have deliberately created this "us (White) vs them (Latino immigrants)" fight in order to help keep themselves in power.
You mean illegal hispanics. You and hispanics always try and draw in the whole illegal immigration thing into immigration itself. Sorry, but the people who come LEGALLY often spend thousands and wait for 3-5 years. You just don't know how to debate this issue and always pull out the race card.
if anything, I'd day the people in washington have catered to the needs of the illegals. But these mexicans are so fucking stupid that they go out and protest against Bush, when he's their best fucking buddy.
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Illegals have no real right to be here in the first place and when they fucking protest it's pushing it. Can't say I feel sorry for them.
You mean illegal hispanics. You and hispanics always try and draw in the whole illegal immigration thing into immigration itself. Sorry, but the people who come LEGALLY often spend thousands and wait for 3-5 years. You just don't know how to debate this issue and always pull out the race card.
if anything, I'd day the people in washington have catered to the needs of the illegals. But these mexicans are so fucking stupid that they go out and protest against Bush, when he's their best fucking buddy.
Exactly
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Things like this happen and then they ask us to teach our kids to respect the uniform.
L.A. is so large that when you see this incident, it cannot help but make the job tougher for officers all over the country.
I'd have to agree with you. When inner-city kids see this, the message they get is far from positive. I've worked in more impoverished areas of LA and I've got the sense that the police aren't on these kids' good side. You guys might laugh now but at one point these kids will be adults who still carry this disregard for police/law.
There was excessive force in this situation no doubt about it. It's just sad that some people have to consistently make up excuses for law enforcement. I'm sure these cops were trained to handle situations like this during training....
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I'd have to agree with you. When inner-city kids see this, the message they get is far from positive. I've worked in more impoverished areas of LA and I've got the sense that the police aren't on these kids' good side. You guys might laugh now but at one point these kids will be adults who still carry this disregard for police/law. (Then they will be arrested. Their problem, not mine.)
There was excessive force in this situation no doubt about it. It's just sad that some people have to consistently make up excuses for law enforcement. I'm sure these cops were trained to handle situations like this during training. (They did use their training.)
Here is the type of people that live in LA. http://www.ebaumsworld.com/2006/07/boogotshot.html
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Crazy world we live in when you can be "illegal" and publically protest something and NOT get arrested....
Tre, when you see things like this there is (ACTION)/ (Reaction), in this case the action was the illegal demonstrators and the re-action was the cops. Yes, the re action was not good, but if ILLEGALS weren't here it would not have happened....Stop the action and there will be no re action.
These illegals have to go...they are way past due,,, get out and come back when you become legal.
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Here is the type of people that live in LA. http://www.ebaumsworld.com/2006/07/boogotshot.html
arrested so we can fill up our jails. yeah, those don't come for free.
they used their training? i think by definition cops should not be allowed to use force unless they are provoked or the situation calls for (keeping safety/peace). so when one person attempts to help someone else who has fallen down, does training call for using a baton on the person trying to help?
mmm just accept it.... ::)
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arrested so we can fill up our jails. yeah, those don't come for free.
they used their training? i think by definition cops should not be allowed to use force unless they are provoked or the situation calls for (keeping safety/peace). so when one person attempts to help someone else who has fallen down, does training call for using a baton on the person trying to help?
mmm just accept it.... ::)
Yeah your right is cost on avg $26,000 a year to house a inmate in Boston, MA, it cost an avg of $32,000 a year of tuition and living costs to attend Harvard....if they were not here commiting crimes in the first place and draining our system we would not need to keep overcrowding the jails, they commit crime get deported and come right back and do it again...hello drug smugglers...hello rapists...hello murder for hire.
Your going to argue training skills? Have you evre been to a demonstration that turned into a riot, with angry illegals thinking that this country owes them? Hell they would actually be in the right even if they did not follow protocol, illegal aliens should not have rights to our constitutional priveleges. The official opinion is that they are not due the rights of a US citizen, and that they are not due the rights of an foreign soldier, they are not due the rights as a ILLEGAL!!!
This sity ation is going to cost millions, not to mention the hundreds of thousands of dollars they wasted on overtime
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arrested so we can fill up our jails. yeah, those don't come for free.
they used their training? i think by definition cops should not be allowed to use force unless they are provoked or the situation calls for (keeping safety/peace). so when one person attempts to help someone else who has fallen down, does training call for using a baton on the person trying to help?
mmm just accept it.... ::)
They were assaulted. Did you check up on this issue at all?
If they didn't overpopulate this world with welfare babies and raise them in poor situations then they wouldn't turn to crime and act like assholes. Also, crime is functional in society and there always will be deviants and deviations from LAW. That's right law, like the one's CRIMINALS (such as illegals) commit by stepping foot in this country.
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She's not so happy that blacks and mexicans have all sorts of options and outlets to our system and can go to school for FREE, and collect thousands of dollars.
You must be real happy ::)
Happy that idiots like her are free to raise idiots like you?
I just have to accept that that's the price of freedom.
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Illegals have no real right to be here in the first place and when they fucking protest it's pushing it. Can't say I feel sorry for them.
You mean illegal hispanics. You and hispanics always try and draw in the whole illegal immigration thing into immigration itself. Sorry, but the people who come LEGALLY often spend thousands and wait for 3-5 years. You just don't know how to debate this issue and always pull out the race card.
if anything, I'd day the people in washington have catered to the needs of the illegals. But these mexicans are so fucking stupid that they go out and protest against Bush, when he's their best fucking buddy.
You're 100% correct in stating that Bush is their main ally.
The fact of the matter is that BOTH of the ruling (White) parties benefit from two things:
1) Having as many illegal immigrants as possible here to provide cheap labor and future votes
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2) Making U.S. citizens think that illegal immigration is somehow a 'problem' that each party is trying to solve
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I just have to accept that that's the price of freedom.
I guess if the price of freedom is to give blacks money for nothing then yes, price of freedom.
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Crazy world we live in when you can be "illegal" and publically protest something and NOT get arrested....
Tre, when you see things like this there is (ACTION)/ (Reaction), in this case the action was the illegal demonstrators and the re-action was the cops. Yes, the re action was not good, but if ILLEGALS weren't here it would not have happened....Stop the action and there will be no re action.
These illegals have to go...they are way past due,,, get out and come back when you become legal.
You just don't get it - IF BUSH, CLINTON AND ALL THE OTHERS WANT THEM HERE, IT DOES NOT MATTER WHAT ANY REGULAR CITIZEN FEELS ABOUT THE ISSUE.
America is supposed to be the Land of Opportunity. We need to get back to that AMERICAN ideal.
I do not support bi-lingual education initiatives, but if someone can speak English and has no proven terrorist or gang affiliations, then they should be able to swear allegiance to America and become a citizen within a few weeks.
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They were assaulted. Did you check up on this issue at all?
If they didn't overpopulate this world with welfare babies and raise them in poor situations then they wouldn't turn to crime and act like assholes. Also, crime is functional in society and there always will be deviants and deviations from LAW. That's right law, like the one's CRIMINALS (such as illegals) commit by stepping foot in this country.
Yes I did. Assaulted? I'd like to know how you would define that.
"If they didn't overpopulate this world with welfare babies and raise them in poor situations then they wouldn't turn to crime and act like assholes." Have you been to the inner-city? I doubt you have because you would know that we help to put them there. They got more liquor stores than banks and housing that you wouldn't consider possible. I've been there and done that, and some of these people don't really have a choice unless you behind the computer are willing to give them one. With acts like this, you just set back the whole idea of social reform.
And I agree that crime is inevitable in this society, but everyone should abide by the same laws (ie. lapd)
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Yes I did. Assaulted? I'd like to know how you would define that.
"If they didn't overpopulate this world with welfare babies and raise them in poor situations then they wouldn't turn to crime and act like assholes." Have you been to the inner-city? I doubt you have because you would know that we help to put them there. They got more liquor stores than banks and housing that you wouldn't consider possible. I've been there and done that, and some of these people don't really have a choice unless you behind the computer are willing to give them one. With acts like this, you just set back the whole idea of social reform.
And I agree that crime is inevitable in this society, but everyone should abide by the same laws (ie. lapd)
I know downtown LA very well. They were assaulted with bottles and other objects. That is in every article I have read.
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I know downtown LA very well. They were assaulted with bottles and other objects. That is in every article I have read.
what do you expect when they try to break up a huge crowd using motorcycles and police cars. when that didn't work they began to do it themselves with physical force and lovely little sticks...wouldn't that kind of piss you off? people were coming to the park from every part of the street...i don't know exactly what training tactic you would call that....
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You're 100% correct in stating that Bush is their main ally.
The fact of the matter is that BOTH of the ruling (White) parties benefit from two things:
1) Having as many illegal immigrants as possible here to provide cheap labor and future votes
and
2) Making U.S. citizens think that illegal immigration is somehow a 'problem' that each party is trying to solve
Of course both parties are doing nothing.. I mean they wanna get hispanic votes and take a dump on certain americans. :-\ You are absolutely right.
At the same time these hispanics and every other illegal have no fucking right to act like they're victims.
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NEXT TIME, HAHA.
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I guess if the price of freedom is to give blacks money for nothing then yes, price of freedom.
The people who receive welfare in this country are the very wealthy and the very poor. The middle class gets stuck with the bill for both.
The wealthy ensure welfare for themselves, because they can. They're rich, therefore they have the power.
The wealthy ensure welfare for the poor, because it helps the wealthy to maintain power over the poor.
The primary goal of those in power is to remain in power. By getting as many people as possible dependent on welfare, that helps to make those individuals less competitive in the marketplace. And less competition means that the wealthy and their descendants will have even more advantages with respect to holding onto their power.
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WOW, just WOW, I can't believe we got so many fucked up people on this board. :'( With people like this, this country is going to shit. :'(
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You just don't get it - IF BUSH, CLINTON AND ALL THE OTHERS WANT THEM HERE, IT DOES NOT MATTER WHAT ANY REGULAR CITIZEN FEELS ABOUT THE ISSUE.
America is supposed to be the Land of Opportunity. We need to get back to that AMERICAN ideal.
I do not support bi-lingual education initiatives, but if someone can speak English and has no proven terrorist or gang affiliations, then they should be able to swear allegiance to America and become a citizen within a few weeks.
"land of opportunity",,,, waaay too far back in history. Today America is overpopulated and we can't simply keep the borders open for immigrants to come in by the thousands...it just can't happen anymore.
Isn't there a law now that allows a certain number of immigrants to LEGALLY obtain citizenship each year in America? If so, which I think there is then that's that....the ones that come over illegally should simply be sent back.
If these pople were Illegal and not only breaking the law but protesting they should be arrested, sent back and not allowed to obtain citizenship because they proved they can not follow law.
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i dont have a huge problem with some illegals.
IMO their lax enforcement lets *just enough* in to do the work, but doesn't let 50 million cross in a year, unmanageable numbers.