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And that's within 3 days.
We expect there to be at least 3 dozen civil suits filed.
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can illegals file lawsuits? :-\
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Do they have rights...atleast with something like this. Apparently they do...More of our hard earned tax dollars thrown away.
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More of our hard earned tax dollars thrown away.
Over stupidity.
Our men and women in uniform *must* be held to a higher standard when it comes to acting within the law.
And yes, non-citizens can file civil suits.
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Over stupidity.
Our men and women in uniform *must* be held to a higher standard when it comes to acting within the law.
And yes, non-citizens can file civil suits.
Wonder if this will stir the immigration pot in congress
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Over stupidity.
Our men and women in uniform *must* be held to a higher standard when it comes to acting within the law.
And yes, non-citizens can file civil suits.
REALLY..clinton didn't get koed for getting his dick gotton sucked :-\
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That is insane...be illegally in a country and have the right to file a lawsuit.....I'm not sure but that probably is not a possibility in any other country. Does anyone know?
It's like our great border control agents shooting illegal immigrant drug dealers and getting sent to jail...Crazy world we live in.
really too bad, get rid of the illegals and this all could have been avoided.
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Bare in mind folks, that crowd was not a crowd of illegals, it was a crowd of people... Americans!
Some legal, some not, ...but when you fire into a crowd like that, you should expect litigation trouble.
If taxpayers have a problem with paying hefty civil damages, they should hold their law enforcement officers to higher standards.
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IF Americans have a law suit because they got hit then that is fine, however, if Illegal people have a law suit they should have no grounds for suing.
I, Obviously, realize that is not true because many cases in the past have proven it.
Take Bernard Geutz (sp) in ny in the 80's...he was mugged with a weapon, shot to defend and then offend himself and he got sued successfully by one of the assailants.
In this particular case, I do have a problem with it and I feel the immigration officers should be held to a higher regard...they should not have been in this country...they are 100% illegal, they have NO right to be protesting in our country. If we did it in theirs we would be in jail, true or not?
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Getz said he only shot the guy X amount of times because he only had X bullets lol........
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Bare in mind folks, that crowd was not a crowd of illegals, it was a crowd of people... Americans!
Some legal, some not, ...
the "some not" are not amreekans dipshit
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Over stupidity.
Our men and women in uniform *must* be held to a higher standard when it comes to acting within the law.
And yes, non-citizens can file civil suits.
You sure about that? I have no idea, but it doesn't make sense. The minute they appear in a lawsuit they get deported.
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Bare in mind folks, that crowd was not a crowd of illegals, it was a crowd of people... Americans!
Some legal, some not, ...but when you fire into a crowd like that, you should expect litigation trouble.
If taxpayers have a problem with paying hefty civil damages, they should hold their law enforcement officers to higher standards.
Once again you fail to make any sense..
Those fuckers threw stuff at the officers but they act as though they're being treated like shit, when essentially they're living in the states undisturbed.
And those illegals who don't even any status are filing lawsuits with the money of american tax payers. We have every right to be angry.. :-\
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We have every right to be angry.. :-\
I find myself quoting you almost every day. lol
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IF Americans have a law suit because they got hit then that is fine, however, if Illegal people have a law suit they should have no grounds for suing.
I, Obviously, realize that is not true because many cases in the past have proven it.
Take Bernard Geutz (sp) in ny in the 80's...he was mugged with a weapon, shot to defend and then offend himself and he got sued successfully by one of the assailants.
That is a horrible example. The victims shot by Getz, were NOT illegals, ...they were Americans born & bred.
Furthermore, Getz did not fire in self defense. They did NOT mug Getz. Bernard Getz found himself on a subway train with a group of young men, and fearful of being mugged, he opened fire on them. His, actions were a pre-emptive offensive attack, based on paranoia, not a reactive, defensive act, based on any assault against his person by these young men, ...and that is why he lost. We have all been witnessing the folly of pre-emptive offensive acts based on paranoia on a national level for the past 6 years. How's that going for you so far? ::)
In this particular case, I do have a problem with it and I feel the immigration officers should be held to a higher regard...they should not have been in this country...they are 100% illegal, they have NO right to be protesting in our country. If we did it in theirs we would be in jail, true or not?
And if this were Afghanistan or some other part of the world, you would have been stoned for many of the things you've done, ...doesn't mean it has to occur here. This is North America. In my case Canada, ...and in your case America. There are certain rights available to all people (for now) regardless of their citizenship, ...including the right to assemble peaceably. If the right of peaceful assembly to protest is not available in other parts of the world, ...if such an action would result in prosecution elsewhere, that is not valid enough a reason to proceed in the same fashion in a country that guarantees people the right to do so.
You protect the rights of others in order to ensure your own, ...a lesson that appears lost on many of you,
...however, in the last few years I think many of you are in fact waking up to that truth. At least you should be.
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And if this were Afghanistan or some other part of the world, you would have been stoned for many of the things you've done, ...doesn't mean it has to occur here. This is North America. In my case Canada, ...and in your case America. There are certain rights available to all people (for now) regardless of their citizenship, ...including the right to assemble peaceably. If the right of peaceful assembly to protest is not available in other parts of the world, ...if such an action would result in prosecution elsewhere, that is not valid enough a reason to proceed in the same fashion in a country that guarantees people the right to do so.
You protect the rights of others in order to ensure your own, ...a lesson that appears lost on many of you,
...however, in the last few years I think many of you are in fact waking up to that truth. At least you should be.
More appologist nonsense..
In your arguement you fail to explain why americans such as myself should pay for an illegal's right to sue.
You fail to explain why those people have right to try and engage police officers by throwing shit.
These people are protesting over nothing.. First, they're being given a free stay in america, so they have no legit reason to be actually angry. They're taking away equity from not just american citizens, but also people with green cards. If anything, legal immigrants and americans should be angry and protesting.
Due to appologist like you, these people are arrogant beyond belief... They actually think the American people owe them something.
Personally I'm sick of all this nonsense.. If I had my way I'd grant amnesty to the illegals already here and shut down the borders. Any illegals getting caught after the closing would be jailed.
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More appologist nonsense..
In your arguement you fail to explain why americans such as myself should pay for an illegal's right to sue.
You fail to explain why those people have right to try and engage police officers by throwing shit.
These people are protesting over nothing.. First, they're being given a free stay in america, so they have no legit reason to be actually angry. They're taking away equity from not just american citizens, but also people with green cards. If anything, legal immigrants and americans should be angry and protesting.
Due to appologist like you, these people are arrogant beyond belief... They actually think the American people owe them something.
Personally I'm sick of all this nonsense.. If I had my way I'd grant amnesty to the illegals already here and shut down the borders. Any illegals getting caught after the closing would be jailed.
I never said anyone had the right to throw things at police. Those who do should be arrested.
What I am saying is that it is irresponsible and reckless for officers to fire into the crowd the way they did.
I have not taken any stance on illegal immigration, or potential amnesty etc.,
My statement is based upon the actions of those officers which I felt was inappropriate.
Had I been out on the street, and gotten shot by police, I can assure you there would be hell to pay!
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This thread is the reason why my Common Sense initiative needs to be mandated in the U.S.
To those of you so adamant about denying non-citizens the right to due process and the right to assemble peaceably, I ask the following questions:
1) If you were visiting another country (for whatever reason), would it be fair for the local police to beat you even though you were offering no resistance to their directions?
2) If you were visiting another country and were accused of a crime, regardless of whether you did it or not, would it be fair for the local authorities to throw you into jail and deny you legal counsel and further deny you so much as a trial?
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This thread is the reason why my Common Sense initiative needs to be mandated in the U.S.
To those of you so adamant about denying non-citizens the right to due process and the right to assemble peaceably, I ask the following questions:
1) If you were visiting another country (for whatever reason), would it be fair for the local police to beat you even though you were offering no resistance to their directions?
2) If you were visiting another country and were accused of a crime, regardless of whether you did it or not, would it be fair for the local authorities to throw you into jail and deny you legal counsel and further deny you so much as a trial?
I wasn't talking about due process. You mentioned illegal aliens having the right to file civil lawsuits. If there ain't a law prohibiting this, there ought to be.
In response to your questions:
1. If I was in another country, legally or illegally, the local police should not have the right to be beat me if I was offering no resistance to their directions.
2. If was visiting another country illegally and accused of a crime, it would be fair for local authorities to deny tax-payer funded defense counsel.
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This thread is the reason why my Common Sense initiative needs to be mandated in the U.S.
To those of you so adamant about denying non-citizens the right to due process and the right to assemble peaceably, I ask the following questions:
1) If you were visiting another country (for whatever reason), would it be fair for the local police to beat you even though you were offering no resistance to their directions?
2) If you were visiting another country and were accused of a crime, regardless of whether you did it or not, would it be fair for the local authorities to throw you into jail and deny you legal counsel and further deny you so much as a trial?
Doesn't matter if it is fair, they do it anyway. You don't have american rights in other countries.
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This thread is the reason why my Common Sense initiative needs to be mandated in the U.S.
To those of you so adamant about denying non-citizens the right to due process and the right to assemble peaceably, I ask the following questions:
1) If you were visiting another country (for whatever reason), would it be fair for the local police to beat you even though you were offering no resistance to their directions?
2) If you were visiting another country and were accused of a crime, regardless of whether you did it or not, would it be fair for the local authorities to throw you into jail and deny you legal counsel and further deny you so much as a trial?
1. Have you ever traveled to any south american country? No not the bubble tourists areas, the real areas?
2. Happens all the time, the 1st and 2nd main source if income for some nations is blackmail and kidnapping.
My great cousin was into having fun went to Mexico in 1990 and never came back, the authorities are holding him, his family is worth millions many times over have worked with the embassy and senators and still cannot get them to budge. You have no common sense so whatever your inititive is, you have already failed it.
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Do they have rights...atleast with something like this. Apparently they do...More of our hard earned tax dollars thrown away.
Well, they are human. I suppose you wish we could just put them in ovens and bake them up.
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Well, they are human. I suppose you wish we could just put them in ovens and bake them up.
wtf? Yea and waste more tax dollars! why would I want to heat up some chiimichangas...
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I wasn't talking about due process. You mentioned illegal aliens having the right to file civil lawsuits. If there ain't a law prohibiting this, there ought to be.
In response to your questions:
1. If I was in another country, legally or illegally, the local police should not have the right to be beat me if I was offering no resistance to their directions.
2. If was visiting another country illegally and accused of a crime, it would be fair for local authorities to deny tax-payer funded defense counsel.
The law acts as a deterent for bad behaviour on both sides. If you remove thier ability to file civil suites the police are less inclined to respect thier rights.
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I wasn't talking about due process. You mentioned illegal aliens having the right to file civil lawsuits. If there ain't a law prohibiting this, there ought to be.
In response to your questions:
1. If I was in another country, legally or illegally, the local police should not have the right to be beat me if I was offering no resistance to their directions.
2. If was visiting another country illegally and accused of a crime, it would be fair for local authorities to deny tax-payer funded defense counsel.
Right or wrong, the politicians, BANKS, and business owners want the immigrant workforce here. I'm going to keep repeating that point until Americans 'get it'.
1) As a guest in another country, I would hate to be treated the way the predominantly Latino crowd at MacArthur Park was treated last week.
2) As a believer in the rule of *reasonable* law, I would hope that I'd be provided counsel if I was accused of a crime and jailed. Assuming I wasn't fluent in the native language, I would also hope that they'd make an effort to provide a translator or translation materials for me.
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The law acts as a deterent for bad behaviour on both sides. If you remove thier ability to file civil suites the police are less inclined to respect thier rights.
Illegal aliens show complete disregard for the law when they come into our country without going through the proper channels. The law doesn't deter them one bit. And there are criminal laws on the books that prevent police brutality. We don't need to give illegals the right to use our civil courts to get money from the taxpayers.
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Right or wrong, the politicians, BANKS, and business owners want the immigrant workforce here. I'm going to keep repeating that point until Americans 'get it'.
1) As a guest in another country, I would hate to be treated the way the predominantly Latino crowd at MacArthur Park was treated last week.
2) As a believer in the rule of *reasonable* law, I would hope that I'd be provided counsel if I was accused of a crime and jailed. Assuming I wasn't fluent in the native language, I would also hope that they'd make an effort to provide a translator or translation materials for me.
The immigrant workforce is fine. The illegal immigrant workforce is not.
If you enter a country illegally, you should not have the right to anything funded by taxpayers. That's just wrong.
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Illegal aliens show complete disregard for the law when they come into our country without going through the proper channels. The law doesn't deter them one bit. And there are criminal laws on the books that prevent police brutality. We don't need to give illegals the right to use our civil courts to get money from the taxpayers.
You need to control illegal immigration so that the standard of living in your country does not drop to unacceptable level. But you should consider yourself lucky that you were born or could come to a country that has a high standard of living with rights for everyone. Those born into poorer countries have no choice where they are born remember that.
I also bet most of these illegals work damn hard for very little return comparatively in the US.
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I'm not 100% certain, but I heard the illegals make up the highest percentage of rape perpetrators in usa prisons.
Does anyone know where one can find such info?
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I'm sure you could find info to back this up on Stormfront. ::)
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I'm not 100% certain, but I heard the illegals make up the highest percentage of rape perpetrators in usa prisons.
Does anyone know where one can find such info?
Pretty good bit of resources, If you want to find out I'd start off with the department of justice website. Then you can trickle down to criminal juvenille justice statistics.
But I already looked into the majoroity of rapes and it's black offenders followed by hispanics, but it showed that the hispanic population was more frequently to not be charged, and most of the time the offenders went through the system on unrelated charges (the other revolving door affect)
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But I already looked into the majoroity of rapes and it's black offenders followed by hispanics, but it showed that the hispanic population was more frequently to not be charged, and most of the time the offenders went through the system on unrelated charges (the other revolving door affect)
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All that means is that the conviction rates for Black and Brown defendants is higher than for Whites.
Shocker.
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I just did a quick search, i don't have time so i can't even read the article right now, but it was titled, "illegal aliens kill 12 americans daily"...not rape but murder, oh well perhaps I was off so I guess these illegals deserve to stay, huh?
Further more, the article states that there ar 240,000 illegal aliens sexual offenders in the usa. I guess i was accurate, afterall.
Get rid of them today!!!!!! All of them and then allow the 6,000 or so usa allows LEGALLY in every year.....In this overcrowded america that is more than enough.
wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=53103
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Bump this.
What do the alien supporters think of these crime facts?
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http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2005/10/6/92636.shtml
This is not, unfortunately, a freakish, one-of-a-kind event. Last year, Heather MacDonald, in a piece for City-Journal which also posted at Frontpagemagazine.com, addressed the astounding impact of illegal alien criminals. In "Illegal Alien Crime Wave," she notes that in Los Angeles, 95 percent of all outstanding warrants for homicide (which total 1,200 to 1,500) target illegal aliens. Up to two-thirds of all fugitive felony warrants (17,000) are for illegal aliens.
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http://www.cairco.org/issues/issues_crime_us.html
In fiscal year 2002, 33.6% of criminals sentenced in federal district courts under Federal Sentencing Guidelines were non-citizens, and 55% of these non-citizens were illegal aliens. This means that illegal aliens accounted for 17.5% of all crimes prosecuted in federal courts, whereas they are less than 6% of the adult population.
There are 400,000 illegal aliens being sought by the U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) as "Absconders," and 100,000 of them are criminals. They have been ordered deported but cannot be located.
From 1980 to 1999, the number of illegal aliens in federal and state prisons grew from 9,000 to 68,000. Today, criminal aliens account for about 30% of the inmates in federal prisons and 15-25% in many local jails. Incarceration costs to the taxpayers were estimated by the Justice Department in 2002 to be $891 million for federal prison inmates and $624 million for inmates in state prisons.
In 2004, the federal government reimbursed states and counties almost $300 million for over 200,000 illegal aliens in custody in jails and prisons. This number does not include illegal aliens in jail in jurisdictions that did not request reimbursement (such as Illinois and Wisconsin), nor does it include thousands sentenced to probation instead of jail time.
From 1995 to 1999, the INS released over 35,000 criminal aliens instead of deporting them. Over 11,000 of them later committed serious crimes. The data for 2000-2004 has not been released.
In 2003, the ICE Detention and Removal Office in Los Angeles had the manpower to process only 10-12% of the estimated 40,000 illegal aliens who passed through the county jail (24% of the total of 170,000). Over 35,000 were released back into the community.
Over 23,000 individuals with criminal histories were apprehended by the Border Patrol in 2004 trying to enter the U.S. illegally. No one knows how many crossed our open borders successfully.
The Los Angeles County District Attorney's office says there are over 300 murder warrants outstanding in L.A. County for illegal aliens who have fled to Mexico. They estimate there are 800 to 1,000 such warrants statewide in California and possibly 3,000 nationwide.
Frequently, an illegal alien arrested for a crime can accept "voluntary removal" instead of going to trial for his crime. He is sent home but not counted as being deported. Thus, he has no criminal record if he re-enters the country. Local prosecutors make this deal to save money, but because of our open borders such criminals often return and commit additional crimes. No one has yet calculated the cost of this practice.
Although all illegal aliens are subject to deportation by law, only the most serious criminals are detained and deported from local jails because of inadequate ICE manpower. Over 200,000 illegal aliens who were incarcerated for minor crimes in 2004 were released back into the community instead of being deported.
In 2004, over 50,000 apprehended "Other-than-Mexican" illegal aliens were released by the Border Patrol due to a lack of detention space. Most of them did not show up for their immigration court hearing.
The Border Patrol does not routinely arrest "coyotes" who smuggle illegal aliens into the country. They are merely sent back across the border with their "clients." They are arrested and prosecuted for human trafficking only after the coyote's file has numerous apprehensions and five documented re-entries after deportation.
Illegal aliens are often released because of lack of detention space, yet the federal agency responsible for detention facilities, ICE/DRO, has never requested the funds to build adequate detention facilities.
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You need to control illegal immigration so that the standard of living in your country does not drop to unacceptable level. But you should consider yourself lucky that you were born or could come to a country that has a high standard of living with rights for everyone. Those born into poorer countries have no choice where they are born remember that.
I also bet most of these illegals work damn hard for very little return comparatively in the US.
I disagree. Those born in poorer countries come here legally all the time. We have tons of them in Hawaii.
I bet I spend an inordinate amount of tax dollars funding border patrols, the INS, medical benefits, law enforcement, and prison space for illegals.
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I bet I spend an inordinate amount of tax dollars funding border patrols, the INS, medical benefits, law enforcement, and prison space for illegals.
It would be a lot more cost-effective to use that money to build the infrastructure and economy of Mexico.
We should just invade them and start doing that. American contractors would have a field day, but since they're NOT, there's obviously some incentive to keep sending American money overseas and the middle class is getting stuck with the bill.
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It would be a lot more cost-effective to use that money to build the infrastructure and economy of Mexico.
We should just invade them and start doing that. American contractors would have a field day, but since they're NOT, there's obviously some incentive to keep sending American money overseas and the middle class is getting stuck with the bill.
Okay with me, so long as we take over all of the Mexican restaurants. :)
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So now that we know the crimes sats, do those that support them still believe the system should stay the same?
i say get rid of them and have them apply and come through the legal way, including those that have the balls to march for rights while they are illegal.
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I disagree. Those born in poorer countries come here legally all the time. We have tons of them in Hawaii.
I bet I spend an inordinate amount of tax dollars funding border patrols, the INS, medical benefits, law enforcement, and prison space for illegals.
You'd probably be incorrect. Border security is a joke.
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You'd probably be incorrect. Border security is a joke.
You're talking about effectiveness. I'm talking dollars and cents. Wouldn't be the first time the government has flushed my money down the toilet.
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You sure about that? I have no idea, but it doesn't make sense. The minute they appear in a lawsuit they get deported.
Near where I live a town tried to make a law to punish buss. owners who hired illegals but it was challanged cause only the federal gov could make a law like that but guess who showed to fight the case..... a few dozens illegals from the area who had homes and children in our schools, the ACLU was even there, no one was arrested or deported...
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Bob Baker, president of the police union, turned down a request for an interview, but issued a statement defending the police response after the May 1 clash, saying officers responded appropriately when some members of the crowd threw bottles and rocks at police.
"As Chief Bratton says, 'sometimes policing isn't pretty and there is little if any time for reflection and discussion before action,'" Baker said. "... In the coming days it will become clear what transpired. Until then there should be no rush to judgment."
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Bare in mind folks, that crowd was not a crowd of illegals, it was a crowd of people... Americans!
Some legal, some not, ...but when you fire into a crowd like that, you should expect litigation trouble.
If taxpayers have a problem with paying hefty civil damages, they should hold their law enforcement officers to higher standards.
illegal aliens are not americans. they are not citizens.
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You'd probably be incorrect. Border security is a joke.
we need to at least double the number of cutoms and border batroll agents.. do you have any idea how hard it is to recruit the type of numbers we need? people are not willing to move to a shithole town in the middle of nowhere,, to work for shit pay, in terrible conditions,, dealing with some of the scummiest and dangerous people in the world.. not only that but they have to pass a strict background check and they must speak spanish in order to do there job...
so please give me an answer to how we are going to secure these borders... keep in mind every dollar you spend is going to make you look bad.. your talking millions, if not billions to do this, so a "wall" is out of the question..on top of that you have huge political pressure from the other side, and millions of americans who are unwilling to fund an anti-immigration program...
it cant be done overnight. and until then we are that much more at risk.. but god forbid we rely on intelligence and surveillance to keep you safe -because the same people we are trying to protect are bitching about how evil and unjust we are..
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we need to at least double the number of cutoms and border batroll agents.. do you have any idea how hard it is to recruit the type of numbers we need? people are not willing to move to a shithole town in the middle of nowhere,, to work for shit pay, in terrible conditions,, dealing with some of the scummiest and dangerous people in the world.. not only that but they have to pass a strict background check and they must speak spanish in order to do there job...
Get rid of the sf-86 background check, as it's WAYYY over the top.. Most people will not wait a year for a application to process, when they can make more money elsewhere.