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The average citizen gets to decide.
The average citizen = stupid with zero insight.
We need to create an upper class of very intelligent and highly accomplished humans that can rule over the masses. That way, society will improve, and the mediocre tendencies -> will eventually just disappear.
The 50% class with an IQ below 100 -> Should not have a word to say about anything.
Discuss.
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The average citizen gets to decide.
The average citizen = stupid with zero insight.
We need to create an upper class of very intelligent and highly accomplished humans that can rule over the masses. That way, society will improve, and the mediocre tendencies -> will eventually just disappear.
Discuss.
No fucking way..
An oligarchy would just lead to abuse.
Democracy isn't perfect but it's better than everything else.
Democratic nations for the most part are wealthy and have high standards of living. Maybe delusional folks such as yourself need to go and spend some time in a third world shithole, then maybe you'd realize how lucky you are.
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Democracy is an awful way to run a country, but it's the best system we have.
-Winston Churchill
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No fucking way..
An oligarchy would just lead to abuse.
Democracy isn't perfect but it's better than everything else.
Democratic nations for the most part are wealthy and have high standards of living. Maybe delusional folks such as yourself need to go and spend some time in a third world shithole, then maybe you'd realize how lucky you are.
You realized that Debussey was pushing it a bit, right?
Democracy = the best system we have, but only until a superior system comes around.
AND then real decisions will be taken by the extraordinary intelligent and skilled people with real decision power within specific areas. As of now, we are letting conflicting interest groups wreck havoc on society, and real decisions that MUST be made are not being made due to indecision and stupidity.
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They're working on that right now, ...it's called the New World Order,
...however, I strongly doubt they're more intelligent, ...certainly wealthy, powerful, & influential,
...but I think they've been inbred for too many generations to truly be intelligent. Too many recessive genes.
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They're working on that right now, ...it's called the New World Order,
...however, I strongly doubt they're more intelligent, ...certainly wealthy, powerful, & influential,
...but I think they've been inbred for too many generations to truly be intelligent. Too many recessive genes.
The point is simple: The ones in power today are not intelligent and responsible enough, and the current system makes it hard to make strong and lasting decisions to the best of humanity.
The world needs a firm slap hand that makes informed global decisions...
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Democracy is an awful way to run a country, but it's the best system we have.
-Winston Churchill
I agree with Mr. Churchill. It may suck, but it sucks less than other forms of government.... :-X
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Humans in groups behave more irrationally than single humanoids do.
It is a common human tendency not to respond immediately to problems growing slow and incrementally, because they represent no immediate danger to our current feelings of well being, yet we all know that you reap what you sow, and by neglecting to take problems by the root before they grow and become uncontrollable, we are setting ourselves up for a future of termination. (A simple example: Most students do little schoolwork in the early semester, and must struggle like hell to pass the exam..)
Humans usually first respond when there is an immediate danger approaching.
No matter what contemporary assholes seeking to protect the current state of affairs might say, you can not deny that very little = being done, and what really happens just proves the point: humans, and especially humans in groups or in a pluralistic society are not fit to steer humanity in the right direction.
We need an objective ultra intelligent global decision maker that makes informed and final decisions, even if it means that certain interest groups must practice "delayed gratification"..
As long as democracy exists as it does today, nothing will be done, because democracy exists to serve basic human tendencies, which = by definition irresponsible and unable to deal with the upcoming problems (as proven) and shit might get outa hand...
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The average citizen gets to decide.
The average citizen = stupid with zero insight.
We need to create an upper class of very intelligent and highly accomplished humans that can rule over the masses. That way, society will improve, and the mediocre tendencies -> will eventually just disappear.
The 50% class with an IQ below 100 -> Should not have a word to say about anything.
Discuss.
Exactly.
Take for instance being judged in a court by "a jury of your peers". We should not allow laymen to judge situations which require expert opinions. We should be judged in a court of law by a panel of legal experts who are better suited to formulate a conclusion based on the given evidence. The same flaws of the justice system apply to a democracy.
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No fucking way..
An oligarchy would just lead to abuse.
50% of the citizenry in the ruling class is hardly an oligarchy.
I actually think this is a good idea. If our "leaders" weren't forced to pander to the ignorant masses to get reelected, they might actually make better decisions.
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Exactly.
Take for instance being judged in a court by "a jury of your peers". We should not allow layman's to judge situations which require expert opinions. We should be judged in a court of law by a panel of legal experts who are better suited to formulate a conclusion based on the given evidence. The same flaws of the justice system apply to a democracy.
Humans as a group behave slow, and irrationally.
It's a known fact in behavioural psychology that humans fail to respond to problems that grows slow and incrementally (as Debussey wrote), and nothing will be done until the proper incentive = in place. Democracy as stated, exist to serve human needs, and human needs are not capable of making a firm decision about the future problems.
Until the "ultra intelligent world council" makes final decisions, NOTHING will be done until the danger = so great that it serves as a proper signal effect to the "take action to prevent disaster" button in the average persons mind. Right now, the political system = all about "image" and "SIG's". They actually care more about the president fucking a fat whore, than to fix real issues.
Conclusion: Human needs = very irresponsible, and can not by any stretch of imagination ever serve the average human. Thus, democracy as it exists today will lead humanity into teh gutter.
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It's kinda already the case. Ever heard the "golden rule"? He who has the gold, makes the rules.
Some of the founding fathers (can't remember which...but remember studying it) believed that exact same thing -- most people are stupid, so they shouldn't be allowed to vote.
But what's the alternative? A king? Communism?
And giving a test to see if you're smart enough to vote will most likely turn out like the test to see if you're smart enough to drive...and we've got morons who don't know there's a fast and slow lane driving the roads daily (literally -- my friends sister had no idea they were broken up like that). Because the liberals -- "no one left behind" -- will make it so the test is so stupid easy anyone can pass.
Rather than get rid of democracy, get rid of liberal morons. Then we can be free to filter the rest of the morons...
Like jimmy.
The solution = To establish the "superintelligent world council" that consists only of the finest minds within each field represented. Their mission will be to make OBJECTIVE plans for the future, that EVERY nation MUST follow. As long as these guidelines = followed, everybody can whatever they want.
We all know the "if you fail to plan, you plan to fail" thing. As of now, humanity does not have a firm and good plan for the future, and as a result, we have created a lot of stupid problems. Some excuses can be made, since we first now have the technology and so fourth.
Conclusion: We need to run humanity like one giant unit, and the "ultra intelligent world council" will make the plans for the future. Only THEN will humanity move forward in a logical and constructive manner while solving the problems we face, instead of the situation we have today, where every stupid fuck alive moves in different directions to please their own sense of well being, while dragging the foundation of human life to hell.
2 alternatives exists:
1: We continue with the pure democracy/independent nation bullshit. People will feel good for a while, until it all goes down teh drain. This is the same as escaping a problem by drinking every night until you are fucked.
2: We do it the DEBUSSEY WAY, and set instant gratification aside for a few decades to create a better world for everyone.
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Brilliant thoughts Debussey!
You should join this website:
http://www.highiqsociety.org
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Brilliant thoughts Debussey!
You should join this website:
http://www.highiqsociety.org
:)
Debusseys thoughts does have severe implementation problems. Debussey will ask Gary Busey for some advice, GOD knows everything.
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Conclusion: We need to run humanity like one giant unit, and the "ultra intelligent world council" will make the plans for the future. Only THEN will humanity move forward in a logical and constructive manner while solving the problems we face, instead of the situation we have today, where every stupid fuck alive moves in different directions to please their own sense of well being, while dragging the foundation of human life to hell.
How do you know your elitist society wouldn't abuse their powers? You're assuming that these super intelligent leaders will be benevolent when looking out for humanity as a whole, when in reality that wouldn't be the case. All people, no matter how intelligent, are prone to bias. How would you act once put in a high place of power? I think you'd be assertive with your ideals, but there's so much more that you could be.. Including being blatantly abusive and having complete disregard for individual needs. And all because you don't believe in them or think they hold humanity back. ::)
My point is that you rationale is similar to that of blood thirsty dictators, facist and monarchs. It took us a while to be rid of those tyrants and to come to the conclusion of democracy. Now people like you are itching because you're unhappy with the current scheme of things. Listen, it's not so bad. I'm assuming you live in the states and have acess to a lot of luxury, as well as basic needs.
A place like africa is a shithole. But there's brightspots in the globe in places other then the states or western europe.. Many asian countries have embraced democracy and free market economics and are growing as a result. More people are literate now than at any point in time. More people now have acess to food and education than at any point in time. It's not so bad.
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How do you know your elitist society wouldn't abuse their powers? You're assuming that these super intelligent leaders will be benevolent when looking out for humanity as a whole, when in reality that wouldn't be the case. All people, no matter how intelligent, are prone to bias. How would you act once put in a high place of power? I think you'd be assertive with your ideals, but there's so much more that you could be.. Including being blatantly abusive and having complete disregard for individual needs. And all because you don't believe in them or think they hold humanity back. ::)
My point is that you rationale is similar to that of blood thirsty dictators, facist and monarchs. It took us a while to be rid of those tyrants and to come to the conclusion of democracy. Now people like you are itching because you're unhappy with the current scheme of things. Listen, it's not so bad. I'm assuming you live in the states and have acess to a lot of luxury, as well as basic needs.
A place like africa is a shithole. But there's brightspots in the globe in places other then the states or western europe.. Many asian countries have embraced democracy and free market economics and are growing as a result. More people are literate now than at any point in time. More people now have acess to food and education than at any point in time. It's not so bad.
You are not seeing the entire picture.
To put it into simple terms: In a country, you have some kind of organ that has the power to decide. Why? Because this is necessary to provide a pooling of resources towards a single goal that a small minority is unable to provide (like infrastructure and so on....)
Without central leadership, chaos will prevail.
Do you think America would be a great place to live if it each neighborhood controlled itself? If this was the case, we'd still be in the stone age or something. NASA did not send a man to the moon without the entire US scientific community helping out.
Right now, we face problems that must be solved by UNITING the global society, to provide a CENTRAL leadership. You can not solve this when each nation basically does as it pleases, and when small stupid things are being prioritized, thereby maintaining a status quo with persistent problems.
The "ultra intelligent world council" basically means that we put the most intelligent and skilled minds within each field to make general goals and objectives for humanity. They will have no "ultimate power", and all their work will be tested for rationality.
Humans with normal intelligence can generally not see the solutions to problems, thus, we use the people with the highest intelligence and the most developed skill.
We already do this to a certain extent today, (UN), but it is disorganized, and as long as NO action = being taken, nothing will happen.
You seem to disregard all the arguments being written, because you automatically imply that "the superintelligent world council ;D " would have ultimate power to do what they pleased, just like a dictator or a king. Debussey = not saying this, but Debussey = saying that the world council will have the authority and the right to make solid decisions that might step on certain individual needs in order to serve the greater good.
Conclusion: Debussey never wrote anything about "blood thirsty dictators" or having a complete disregard for individual needs. The only one saying this is you, because you fail to comprehend the ideas, and instead fill them in with your own assumptions.
The point = simple: Most of the problems today are not being solved because the current system does not work, because it serves human tendencies that by their own nature will avoid any attempt to solve the problems before it is to late. Only by making real commitments, can we solve these problems, and this can not be done by the current state of affairs.
One more thing: How on earth do you conclude that Debusseys thoughts (if put into action) would mean the end of free market economics? ::) The only way you can make such a foolish assumption -> that you use dictatorships from 3rd world countries as an analogous example to prove a point about a superior way for all of humanity. You can not use a blueprint for a woodshed to help build a rocket.
Any free market economy MUST be regulated in some way, or else we would have a shitload of problems, like pollution (do you think any company in a free market economy would give a shit about pollution if no restrictions existed? ::) ).
The Superintelligent world councils main role would be to make plans and strategies for humanity in total, and this means that everybody must share the responsibility by accepting certain limitations. (ergo, delayed gratification).
In other words, Debussey = saying that we need a global government with decision power to battle the problems we face today (which can not be solved by todays system), and we need the best suitable people in this government. If you had problems understanding this, go back to class. This does not imply that free markets will seize to exist and this does not mean any kind of classical dictatorship. This means creating a long term solution before it is to late.
(-> Debussey agrees that there will be a lot of implementation problems and stuff like that, as allready stated)
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Oh, and in The superintelligent World council, everybody would be measured by OBJECTIVE criteria.
The masses make their decisions based on a politicians image, yet, in Debusseys world, each of the thousands in the world council will continuously be measured by objective criteria. In other words, bias and lobbying would be far more difficult to pull off. Today, politics = not about responsibility. It's a dirty game, because the politicians can do as they please (= the root of dictatorship).
In "The superintelligent world society" there would be many different organs for measuring the actions of the council, and many different organs for analyzing the councils work. Every credible unit in the world will help with the work.
Science today = not a one man show, it is a community making incremental steps by global cooperation. THIS is how the council will work, and at the same time, the single organ will have the final word to ensure that decisions = made.
This is a bit more advanced and brilliant than having an entire nation care more about a presidents dick and homosexual marrage, while doing nothing about the real pressing problems facing the world.....
Nations will still exist, and free markets will still exist, but in DebusseyWorld we have a steering wheel to the car, thus, the world will stay on the road for many years to come.
:)
SUPPORT DEBUSSEYWORLD!!!!!
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We need to create an upper class of very intelligent and highly accomplished humans that can rule over the masses. That way, society will improve, and the mediocre tendencies -> will eventually just disappear.
Discuss.
I believe this was tried by a short Austrian painter about 70 years ago. Debussey just shoot yourself now and save civilized society the time and trouble. :-\
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I believe this was tried by a short Austrian painter about 70 years ago. Debussey just shoot yourself now and save civilized society the time and trouble. :-\
Unfortunately, you fail to understand the real message.....
Hint: That first post was kind of a joke.
:)
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I agree, stupidity should be painful.
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Humans in groups behave more irrationally than single humanoids do.
It is a common human tendency not to respond immediately to problems growing slow and incrementally, because they represent no immediate danger to our current feelings of well being, yet we all know that you reap what you sow, and by neglecting to take problems by the root before they grow and become uncontrollable, we are setting ourselves up for a future of termination. (A simple example: Most students do little schoolwork in the early semester, and must struggle like hell to pass the exam..)
Humans usually first respond when there is an immediate danger approaching.
No matter what contemporary assholes seeking to protect the current state of affairs might say, you can not deny that very little = being done, and what really happens just proves the point: humans, and especially humans in groups or in a pluralistic society are not fit to steer humanity in the right direction.
We need an objective ultra intelligent global decision maker that makes informed and final decisions, even if it means that certain interest groups must practice "delayed gratification"..
As long as democracy exists as it does today, nothing will be done, because democracy exists to serve basic human tendencies, which = by definition irresponsible and unable to deal with the upcoming problems (as proven) and shit might get outa hand...
oooooooh, ...can I be that? huh... can I? huh? huh? can I? pretty pleeeeeeeeeeease
We do have that... it's called Universal Law ...or karma. ...and it's gonna hurt big time when she bitch slaps humans.
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It's kinda already the case. Ever heard the "golden rule"? He who has the gold, makes the rules.
Some of the founding fathers (can't remember which...but remember studying it) believed that exact same thing -- most people are stupid, so they shouldn't be allowed to vote.
But what's the alternative? A king? Communism?
And giving a test to see if you're smart enough to vote will most likely turn out like the test to see if you're smart enough to drive...and we've got morons who don't know there's a fast and slow lane driving the roads daily (literally -- my friends sister had no idea they were broken up like that). Because the liberals -- "no one left behind" -- will make it so the test is so stupid easy anyone can pass.
Rather than get rid of democracy, get rid of liberal morons. Then we can be free to filter the rest of the morons...
...like jimmy.
Sorry hun, it was a straight up neo-con who coined the phrase "No Child Left Behind",
...Then he proceeded to underfund education leaving a whole lot of kids behind, ...like the lying POS he is. :-X
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The average citizen gets to decide.
The average citizen = stupid with zero insight.
We need to create an upper class of very intelligent and highly accomplished humans that can rule over the masses. That way, society will improve, and the mediocre tendencies -> will eventually just disappear.
The 50% class with an IQ below 100 -> Should not have a word to say about anything.
Discuss.
Simple.............."The Masses are Asses."
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Simple.............."The Masses are Asses."
Simple.............."The Elite are Effete."
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Simple.............."The Masses are Asses."
It's good to be on top, along with the holy spirit of Gary Busey. 8)
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I see where you are coming from, Debussey..
I do agree that people with average intelligence often do not see the big picture.. I mean why else did most americans get riled up when Clinton got a bj? Was it because it was a real issue? Or because the mean IQ in the United States is around 98?
The masses make their decisions based on a politicians image, yet, in Debusseys world, each of the thousands in the world council will continuously be measured by objective criteria. In other words, bias and lobbying would be far more difficult to pull off. Today, politics = not about responsibility. It's a dirty game, because the politicians can do as they please (= the root of dictatorship).
I agree with you here.. Politics is a dirty game. If it really were about creating the best possible allocation of equity in society, then I guess economists would be running for office and actually winning.
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It's good to be on top, along with the holy spirit of Gary Busey. 8)
Your damn right, Gary. 8)
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I see where you are coming from, Debussey..
I do agree that people with average intelligence often do not see the big picture.. I mean why else did most americans get riled up when Clinton got a bj? Was it because it was a real issue? Or because the mean IQ in the United States is around 98?
I agree with you here.. Politics is a dirty game. If it really were about creating the best possible allocation of equity in society, then I guess economists would be running for office and actually winning.
Good stuff.
The first post was a bit of a joke, but the last 4 posts Debussey wrote = serious. The only way to really battle the problems we face today = to unite the world via something like the "superintelligent world council ;D". A human body can not function if each organ just do its own thing, it only works because each organ contributes to the greater good. The Gary Busey world council will be the brain of the "worlds body", and it will ensure that each organ/country promotes the greater good. This will result in action. A human being with no brain can not make the "human system" into an action prone machine. It could not even fight off a virus. To kill an infection, the sub systems of the body works together. This = an analogy to what we face today. The smarter the brain is, the better decisions will be made, and with the ability to act, the human can optimize its results.
The brain = the most complex organ in the body, and the superintelligent world council must gather the best brains and the council must have decision power. A brain with no control over a body cant do anything.
DEBUSSEYWORLD!
PS: In Debusseyworld, The Shadow will be put in a prison cell, to protect the citizens from the curry smell. :)
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Good stuff.
The first post was a bit of a joke, but the last 4 posts Debussey wrote = serious. The only way to really battle the problems we face today = to unite the world via something like the "superintelligent world council ;D". A human body can not function if each organ just do its own thing, it only works because each organ contributes to the greater good. The Gary Busey world council will be the brain of the "worlds body", and it will ensure that each organ/country promotes the greater good. This will result in action. A human being with no brain can not make the "human system" into an action prone machine. It could not even fight off a virus. To kill an infection, the sub systems of the body works together. This = an analogy to what we face today. The smarter the brain is, the better decisions will be made, and with the ability to act, the human can optimize its results.
The brain = the most complex organ in the body, and the superintelligent world council must gather the best brains and the council must have decision power. A brain with no control over a body cant do anything.
DEBUSSEYWORLD!
PS: In Debusseyworld, The Shadow will be put in a prison cell, to protect the citizens from the curry smell. :)
Makes perfect sense to me. ;)
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I agree! Dumb people are incapable of making good descisions, and therefore we cannot let them vote!
Also in this new society, short or bald guys should be considered equals! :D
Only if they wear this:
(http://codebrigade.com/images/Gary-Busey-1sm.gif)
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democracy isn't perfect, but it's the best thing going.
anything more free/less organized would be crushed quickly by its neighbors, unfortunately. Such is the nature of man.
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democracy isn't perfect, but it's the best thing going.
anything more free/less organized would be crushed quickly by its neighbors, unfortunately. Such is the nature of man.
Yes, that is why the aliens will have a position in the Superintelligent World Council. They will interfere with any country not following the Councils decisions to the letter.
Gary Busey approved this yesterday.