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Last night's Oscar/Maywether fight was the best boxing has to offer. "12 rounds of 2 skinny guys with pillows on their hands sparing"...yawn ::) MMA is the future :D
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Last night's Oscar/Maywether fight was the best boxing has to offer. "12 rounds of 2 skinny guys with pillows on their hands sparing"...yawn ::) MMA is the future :D
You watched skinny men fight? Was there lube and leather straps involved?
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If you miss 7 straight days of your diet, you officially become a cage fighter.
I'v been cagefighting for 30 years now. I have fighting experience though.
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If you miss 7 straight days of your diet, you officially become a cage fighter.
I'v been cagefighting for 30 years now. I have fighting experience though.
hahha you stupid fuck ;D
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While it was a good technical fight. I don't think it was the kind of fight that is gonna bring the casual sports fan back to boxing.
And once you get used to seeing mma, those boxing gloves do look really big.
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what about karate?
are the chuck norris times gone for good? :(
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If you miss 7 straight days of your diet, you officially become a cage fighter.
I'v been cagefighting for 30 years now. I have fighting experience though.
you are speaking the truth..more and more guys are forsaking lifting weights for shadow boxing
these fuckers are taking over the gym..shadowing boxing in between sets of brutal 125 barbell bench press for 10 reps ::)
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what about karate?
are the chuck norris times gone for good? :(
Even K-1 is waaay better than boxing.
While it was a good technical fight. I don't think it was the kind of fight that is gonna bring the casual sports fan back to boxing.
And once you get used to seeing mma, those boxing gloves do look really big.
maybe, but it's just not a fight. No one gets hurt. it's just a bunch of pats...boring.
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you are speaking the truth..more and more guys are forsaking lifting weights for shadow boxing
these fuckers are taking over the gym..shadowing boxing in between sets of brutal 125 barbell bench press for 10 reps ::)
Ha ha! You can spot them all over..."Team Punishment" t-shirts, tatoos on their necks, mean look in their eye, no shadow boxing but lots of shadow "clinching & knees" and Xynergy drinks ha ha!
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Ha ha! You can spot them all over..."Team Punishment" t-shirts, tatoos on their necks, mean look in their eye, no shadow boxing but lots of shadow "clinching & knees" and Xynergy drinks ha ha!
I know these people all to well, the funny thing is I know most of them have never trained and have never been in a fight in their lives. Everytime I see someone do that it pisses me off and I want to fight them on the spot.
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How does that work, do they have to fight or train to be allowed to wear a t-shirt? I'm glad the same doesn't go for metal t-shirts, I've never been on stage or played in a band and I've got a couple :-\
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How does that work, do they have to fight or train to be allowed to wear a t-shirt? I'm glad the same doesn't go for metal t-shirts, I've never been on stage or played in a band and I've got a couple :-\
I don't give a fuck about shirts, im talking about these little chumps with a fake mean look in their eye that try to throw punches, kicks, and knees in between sets but fail miserably since they have no technique whatsoever, and haven't trained a day in their life, outside of watching TUF a few times. When you're wearing your metal shirts do you carry a guitar with you and act like you know how to play it?
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I don't give a fuck about shirts, im talking about these little chumps with a fake mean look in their eye that try to throw punches, kicks, and knees in between sets but fail miserably since they have no technique whatsoever, and haven't trained a day in their life, outside of watching TUF a few times. When you're wearing your metal shirts do you carry a guitar with you and act like you know how to play it?
Good point. No I don't, and I don't have these type of guys at my gym :D
They should stick to buying shirts and supplements and support the sport financially.
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When you're wearing your metal shirts do you carry a guitar with you and act like you know how to play it?
Does Air Guitar count?
If so, I'm guilty.
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Does Air Guitar count?
If so, I'm guilty.
Lol
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Boxing isn't going anywhere. A good boxing match is 10x better than a good MMA fight. MMA will eventually need to make some rule changes to make the fights more exciting in general.
The shorter rounds in boxing and the number of rounds in boxing make it so that there can be an ebb and flow to the match. There is enough time to change strategy, or make a come back if hurt and make the fight exciting.
MMA has none of that and needs it. 90% of the fights are 1 or 2 punch knockouts, or they roll around in full guard for 3 min of a 5 min round. Pride is better then UFC imo because they make the guys get back on their feet and fight if the fight bogs down.
I think MMA is super popular with the weightlifing crowd and such because it seem more "doable" to them than boxing. From an early age most people know they have no chance to become an elite boxer or even a journeyman pro for that matter. But MMA is guys who decided to start fighting in their 20's after training for a few years ( i know there are exceptions to this) after college wrestling or after training muy thai or something for awhile. So they guy in the gym or in high school sees that and decides hey i can do that too. I don't need speed, or even a good chin to compete.
It will be interesting to see what the next generation of MMA fighters will be like. Like if there are kids like 10 now training to be the next MMA champ like in boxing. Maybe that will make make MMA more exciting, but mostly i think it just needs some rule changes.
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Boxing isn't going anywhere. A good boxing match is 10x better than a good MMA fight. MMA will eventually need to make some rule changes to make the fights more exciting in general.
The shorter rounds in boxing and the number of rounds in boxing make it so that there can be an ebb and flow to the match. There is enough time to change strategy, or make a come back if hurt and make the fight exciting.
MMA has none of that and needs it. 90% of the fights are 1 or 2 punch knockouts, or they roll around in full guard for 3 min of a 5 min round. Pride is better then UFC imo because they make the guys get back on their feet and fight if the fight bogs down.
I think MMA is super popular with the weightlifing crowd and such because it seem more "doable" to them than boxing. From an early age most people know they have no chance to become an elite boxer or even a journeyman pro for that matter. But MMA is guys who decided to start fighting in their 20's after training for a few years ( i know there are exceptions to this) after college wrestling or after training muy thai or something for awhile. So they guy in the gym or in high school sees that and decides hey i can do that too. I don't need speed, or even a good chin to compete.
It will be interesting to see what the next generation of MMA fighters will be like. Like if there are kids like 10 now training to be the next MMA champ like in boxing. Maybe that will make make MMA more exciting, but mostly i think it just needs some rule changes.
All the changes you just suggested would kill MMA. The reason why it's exciting, is becasue it's as close to a real street fight as it gets in organized sports. In a real fight there are no rounds, no standing people up and no rules. If you ask me, the UFC fights were better when there were less rules, no wieght classes and no time limits.
And getting into a cage and coming out triumphant seems a lot less "doable" than doing it in a boxing rign pillows on your hands ::)
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UFC is boring. Guys rolling around on the floor, what fun ::)
However, it was awesome when the K1 had a stand up round followed by a mma round. That is the way forward, and would generate great exitement. Sapp vs Lebanner was great, and proved that Sapp is alot better than people give him credit for, and Jerome is one tough frenchie.
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All the changes you just suggested would kill MMA. The reason why it's exciting, is becasue it's as close to a real street fight as it gets in organized sports. In a real fight there are no rounds, no standing people up and no rules. If you ask me, the UFC fights were better when there were less rules, no wieght classes and no time limits.
And getting into a cage and coming out triumphant seems a lot less "doable" than doing it in a boxing rign pillows on your hands ::)
you're joking right? how is a street fight entertaining? there's a lot of luck and less skill involved. you just got your homer rose colored glasses on. MMA is rightly evolving, they new that the sport would go no where with what you are suggesting. There will be more rule changes, i gaurentee it, to make it more watchable and exciting. Now MMA is 90% boring.
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you're joking right? how is a street fight entertaining? there's a lot of luck and less skill involved. you just got your homer rose colored glasses on. MMA is rightly evolving, they new that the sport would go no where with what you are suggesting. There will be more rule changes, i gaurentee it, to make it more watchable and exciting. Now MMA is 90% boring.
The rule changes came about only becasue they needed to sanction the fights and get deep-shit politicians off their back. If they continue to introduce more rules, they will lose the core fan base and it will open up an opportunity for another federation to come up.
Eaither way, boxing sucks, it's boring and it's dead. ;D
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what about karate?
are the chuck norris times gone for good? :(
no they are alive and well
Chuck Norris sold his soul to the devil for his rugged good looks and unparalleled martial arts ability. Shortly after the transaction was finalized, Chuck roundhouse kicked the devil in the face and took his soul back. The devil, who appreciates irony, couldn't stay mad and admitted he should have seen it coming. They now play poker every second Wednesday of the month. :D
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The rule changes came about only becasue they needed to sanction the fights and get deep-shit politicians off their back. If they continue to introduce more rules, they will lose the core fan base and it will open up an opportunity for another federation to come up.
Eaither way, boxing sucks, it's boring and it's dead. ;D
whatever but i'll take 3 rounds of Hagler v Hearns than the 3 round snore fest i saw last night on Pride, Fedor v Cro Cop. MMA is interesting but doesn't come close to primetime boxing. that's why de la hoya made more last night than liddell and ortiz put together in their entire careers.
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whatever but i'll take 3 rounds of Hagler v Hearns than the 3 round snore fest i saw last night on Pride, Fedor v Cro Cop. MMA is interesting but doesn't come close to primetime boxing. that's why de la hoya made more last night than liddell and ortiz put together in their entire careers.
You say boxing requires more skill. I disagree. It requires skill in only one discipline...boxing. MMA on the other hand, requires not just boxing skill, but a myriad of others. You need to develop a good ground game, take down defense, clinch game, wrestling, striking (with knees, elbows, legs), etc. As the sport has grown in popularity, so has the skill level.
As I am sure you well know, UFC PPV has surpassed boxing. Amazing considering how young the sport is. But, not surprising. While there are definitely many great boxing matches, most are a snooze-fest. It is possible for an MMA match to be boring when two opponents are equally matched and cancel each other out. But there are so many more ways a fight can go in MMA, vs. boxing, that they are just more exciting. As MMA grows, the money is poring in and the purses are growing. Hence, the death of boxing...
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Boxing is fastly dying and MMA is rapidly growing for a simple reason;
-Boxing = The fighter is the draw and there isn't many draws anymore
-MMA = The action is the draw and there is tons of talent to display the action where boxing is lacking poplular fighters to bring the crowd!
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I d rather watch 2 men have a stand up fist fight then roll around with their legs wrapped round each other.
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This MMA vs. Boxing shit is getting really old.
Boxing isn't dead by any means. I can't wait for Margarito v. Williams, Hopkins v. Wright, Castillo v. Hatton, or the Cotto v. Judah fight. There are a lot of great fights on the horizon.
I wish people would knock the chip off of their shoulder on this whole issue and enjoy both for what they're worth.
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I d rather watch 2 men have a stand up fist fight then roll around with their legs wrapped round each other.
Sounds like you're fucked then, for there is no sport for you as there is no fist fighting in boxing...just a bunch of pussys with pillows on their hands patting eachother :-\
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Sounds like you're fucked then, for there is no sport for you as there is no fist fighting in boxing...just a bunch of pussys with pillows on their hands patting eachother :-\
Why are the boxers pussys? Isn't MMA safer than boxing because of less blows received to the head? Doesn't that make the MMA guys pussys too. It's two different things. I boxed for 9 years as a youth and received plenty of accolades and now I study Sambo and Muay Thai. I'd like to try MMA. Maybe I shouldn't though, apparently you can't like one without hating the other.
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Why are the boxers pussys? Isn't MMA safer than boxing because of less blows received to the head? Doesn't that make the MMA guys pussys too. It's two different things. I boxed for 9 years as a youth and received plenty of accolades and now I study Sambo and Muay Thai. I'd like to try MMA. Maybe I shouldn't though, apparently you can't like one without hating the other.
just fucking with you guys...chill ;D
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just fucking with you guys...chill ;D
Peace. ;D
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Peace. ;D
How are you adjusting to Muay Thai v. boxing?
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We'll see when the PPV buys comes in.
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This MMA vs. Boxing shit is getting really old.
Boxing isn't dead by any means. I can't wait for Margarito v. Williams, Hopkins v. Wright, Castillo v. Hatton, or the Cotto v. Judah fight. There are a lot of great fights on the horizon.
I wish people would knock the chip off of their shoulder on this whole issue and enjoy both for what they're worth.
I completely agree brother. I'll watch the best match up on the tube plain and simple.
UFC is getting god damn annoying with all it's pay-per-views. It's lke the WWF. A new hype every 60 days. Boxing might not be what it was ten years ago but at least I'm not getting over exposed and asked to pay $45.00+ every 60 days for a fight. At least with boxing I'll see the fight on HBO down the road. If you miss the UFC fight you're screwed. Maybe youtube.
While the pay-per-view numbers are great for the UFC that doesn't mean the fights are any good. Look at UFC 69 Diego Sanchez vs. Josh Koscheck. WHAT A PIECE OF SHIT. Dirty Sanchez was the next comming of Christ according to lame ass Joe Rogan and he did nothing.
So while boxing might be on life support that doesn't mean the UFC is taking the throne. I'll watch the best action on TV. That could be either way.
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We'll see when the PPV buys comes in.
http://www.mmaweekly.com/absolutenm/templates/dailynews.asp?articleid=3897&zoneid=3 (http://www.mmaweekly.com/absolutenm/templates/dailynews.asp?articleid=3897&zoneid=3)
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I completely agree brother. I'll watch the best match up on the tube plain and simple.
UFC is getting god damn annoying with all it's pay-per-views. It's lke the WWF. A new hype every 60 days. Boxing might not be what it was ten years ago but at least I'm not getting over exposed and asked to pay $45.00+ every 60 days for a fight. At least with boxing I'll see the fight on HBO down the road. If you miss the UFC fight you're screwed. Maybe youtube.
While the pay-per-view numbers are great for the UFC that doesn't mean the fights are any good. Look at UFC 69 Diego Sanchez vs. Josh Koscheck. WHAT A PIECE OF SHIT. Dirty Sanchez was the next comming of Christ according to lame ass Joe Rogan and he did nothing.
So while boxing might be on life support that doesn't mean the UFC is taking the throne. I'll watch the best action on TV. That could be either way.
Sanchez vs. Koschek sucked becasue the BOXED for three rounds!
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I agree with LatsMcgee, I personally enjoy watching a good fight, I don't care if it's MMA, Boxing,Muay Thai, or a ground war for that matter.
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Sanchez vs. Koschek sucked becasue the BOXED for three rounds!
Exactly. THEY WISHED THEY WERE BOXERS!!! In the end every MMA wants a knockout NOT a tap out.
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Exactly. THEY WISHED THEY WERE BOXERS!!! In the end every MMA wants a knockout NOT a tap out.
Of course most people prefer a KO. Yet another reason why MMA is killing boxing. With 4oz gloves, elbows, knees, legs, body slams and G&P as part of the arsenal, KO's are FAR more common in MMA vs. hands-in-pillows-only boxing...ha ha ha! You boxing guys get so pissed it's comical...lol!
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Boxing is fastly dying and MMA is rapidly growing for a simple reason;
-Boxing = The fighter is the draw and there isn't many draws anymore
-MMA = The action is the draw and there is tons of talent to display the action where boxing is lacking poplular fighters to bring the crowd!
One other thing: MMA has white guys who can actually fight who aren't pussies. How many of those have you seen in boxing over the last 3 decades?
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I agree with LatsMcgee, I personally enjoy watching a good fight, I don't care if it's MMA, Boxing,Muay Thai, or a ground war for that matter.
Ya, but it doesn't happen often enough in boxing.
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All the changes you just suggested would kill MMA. The reason why it's exciting, is becasue it's as close to a real street fight as it gets in organized sports. In a real fight there are no rounds, no standing people up and no rules. If you ask me, the UFC fights were better when there were less rules, no wieght classes and no time limits.
Agreed; part of the problem with boxing is that there are too many rules, clinches, strategies, etc. in the way of action now. Ali was one of the first responsible for this with rope-a-dope, holding, clinching, etc. nothing to do with fighting.
Another problem with boxing is the lack of white guys, especially anyone who can fight. What i want to know is why white guys like to fight in MMA and not boxing, obviously there's an appeal with one and not the other.
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One other thing: MMA has white guys who can actually fight who aren't pussies. How many of those have you seen in boxing over the last 3 decades?
Klitchkos (sp) ?????????????
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One other thing: MMA has white guys who can actually fight who aren't pussies. How many of those have you seen in boxing over the last 3 decades?
Mickey Ward was arguably the toughest and most fun to watch in boxing and he was white.
Anybody that watched his bouts with Arturo Gatti would never think those two were pussies.
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I love all combat sports, I just like having more weapons in one's arsenal that a GOOD mma match allows. Getting a nice arm drag, a sweep from open guard, a well executed jab, body kick, hook combo. Or transisitioning seemlessly from striking to clinch to ground.
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I love all combat sports, I just like having more weapons in one's arsenal that a GOOD mma match allows. Getting a nice arm drag, a sweep from open guard, a well executed jab, body kick, hook combo. Or transisitioning seemlessly from striking to clinch to ground.
that only seems to happen when one of the guys is completely outclassed. other wise it's 2 guys looking for a 1 punch KO until they go to ground then they roll around until the end of the round. when there are 2 good mma guys in the ring they cancel each other out and nothing happens unless it's a lucky KO or someone actually tries for something misses and gets submitted.
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How are you adjusting to Muay Thai v. boxing?
Being able to knee on the clinch is the coolest thing ever. I also enjoy the leg kicks. When I first started it was hard to adjust but I'm catching up.
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Agreed; part of the problem with boxing is that there are too many rules, clinches, strategies, etc. in the way of action now. Ali was one of the first responsible for this with rope-a-dope, holding, clinching, etc. nothing to do with fighting.
Another problem with boxing is the lack of white guys, especially anyone who can fight. What i want to know is why white guys like to fight in MMA and not boxing, obviously there's an appeal with one and not the other.
All the heavyweight champs except Briggs are white guys. ::)
Boxing attracts poor working class types, because it doesn't require a ton of equipment or specialised training in a variety of fighting styles. It's like basketball, all you need is a ball and a hoop. That's why you see a lot of blacks, hispanics, and eatern Europeans. They come from poor environments. Also, with boxing you either got the speed or you don't when you're young, and you cultivate that from an early age. Middle-class Anglo guys usually are thinking about school first, so it's hard to gauge their boxing skills. Much easier for these guys to learn the technical aspects of ground fighting, and develop "decent" stand up. That's all it takes to win really.
Back on topic:
Boxing isn't dead. UFC has already peaked. Boxing has been around forever. UFC was entertaining when it was a better approximation of a real fight...when guys like Tank Abbott, Bas Rutten, and Don Fry were dominant. Now it's turned into another sport. Boxing, while not as "real" is much more entertaining if it's a good fight. It's pure. The winner is determined to be the best boxer, while a UFC match has more variables. I'd rather see guys with fast hands wailing on each other's head, than see a couple guys roll around for 5 minutes. Snooze fest. zzzzzz.
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All the heavyweight champs except Briggs are white guys. ::)
Oh those guys are outstanding. ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
Boxing attracts poor working class types.
No shit, thanks for enlightening us. I have news for you: good working class white fighters are almost as rare as minorities in hockey.
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Boxing isn't dead. UFC has already peaked. Boxing has been around forever. UFC was entertaining when it was a better approximation of a real fight...when guys like Tank Abbott, Bas Rutten, and Don Fry were dominant. Now it's turned into another sport. Boxing, while not as "real" is much more entertaining if it's a good fight. It's pure. The winner is determined to be the best boxer, while a UFC match has more variables. I'd rather see guys with fast hands wailing on each other's head, than see a couple guys roll around for 5 minutes. Snooze fest. zzzzzz.
Thanks again for stating the obvious. Wishful thinking on boxing. Not to say it won't change in future but the key thing you've missed is that the frequency of good fights is low. Overall boxing now is about as exciting as your theories.
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Of course most people prefer a KO. Yet another reason why MMA is killing boxing. With 4oz gloves, elbows, knees, legs, body slams and G&P as part of the arsenal, KO's are FAR more common in MMA vs. hands-in-pillows-only boxing...ha ha ha! You boxing guys get so pissed it's comical...lol!
Mindspin how is the MMA killing boxing?
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Mindspin how is the MMA killing boxing?
Boxing has been killing itself. With the advent of the UFC, the death process has simply been accelerated.
How? The fan base is leaving boxing and going to MMA. There may be 1-2 boxing fights that will out sell MMA in a PPV, but as a whole, MMA has surpassed boxing and it is continuing to grow...
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Boxing has been killing itself. With the advent of the UFC, the death process has simply been accelerated.
How? The fan base is leaving boxing and going to MMA. There may be 1-2 boxing fights that will out sell MMA in a PPV, but as a whole, MMA has surpassed boxing and it is continuing to grow...
How do you know the fan base is leaving boxing and going to MMA?
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How do you know the fan base is leaving boxing and going to MMA?
Are you seriuous?
Who do you think is responsible for the big PPV dollars that the UFC is getting? Why are PPV boxing dollars down? Coincidence?
Also, personal experience. For years, I used to watch all the boxing fights with my buddies. Don't do that any more. But, we do catch most Pride/UFC fights...
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Are you seriuous?
Who do you think is responsible for the big PPV dollars that the UFC is getting? Why are PPV boxing dollars down? Coincidence?
Also, personal experience. For years, I used to watch all the boxing fights with my buddies. Don't do that any more. But, we do catch most Pride/UFC fights...
The 16,500 seats in the MGM Grand Garden Arena, with a top ringside price of $2,000, sold out in three hours, generating $19 million in revenue, surpassing the record $16.8 million for Tyson-Holyfield II. The total revenue from the match, to be seen in 176 countries, is expected to exceed $100 million and could challenge the record $112 million generated by Tyson-Lewis. Also, 15,700 seats for a closed-circuit showing of the fight in Las Vegas have been sold. --The LA Times
The pay-per-view boxing numbers are down. No, the number of UFC pay-per-view events are up. Nearly 3-1 to boxing pay-per-views.
While the MMA fights might be at an all-time high point you can't argue that boxing is going through a big low point. One of the biggest reasons why MMA fights are becoming so popular is because boxing fights aren't anymore.
The UFC didn't take over boxing in it's prime. It beat up a weak and dying old man. But as you can see from the numbers above people WANT boxing to be great.
I really enjoy watching MMA fights and boxing, but if you had to choose between Ali/Frasier or Liddell/Couture I'd have to see Ali/Frasier. People WANT Ali/Frasier but they are forced to watch Liddell/Couture.
If UFC 71 would have been on May 5th do you really think it would have outdrawn the fight?
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If UFC 71 would have been on May 5th do you really think it would have outdrawn the fight?
Of course not. The Maywether/Oscar fight was like the Superbowl of boxing. Probably the most anticipated boxing match in decades. And, it was promoted like no other fight I've ever seen.
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Sounds like you're fucked then, for there is no sport for you as there is no fist fighting in boxing...just a bunch of pussys with pillows on their hands patting eachother :-\
Tell Tyson,Lewis,Calzaghe, Hatton,etc they are pussies to their face. I doubt you ll post again
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Tell Tyson,Lewis,Calzaghe, Hatton,etc they are pussies to their face. I doubt you ll post again
Ha ha ha! Meltdown.
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How do you know the fan base is leaving boxing and going to MMA?
I don't know that this is the case, at least to a large extent.
I think it's a matter of Boxing's fan base getting older and not being replaced by younger fans.
Many of MMA's fans are young people who were never into boxing in the first place.
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I don't know that this is the case, at least to a large extent.
I think it's a matter of Boxing's fan base getting older and not being replaced by younger fans.
Many of MMA's fans are young people who were never into boxing in the first place.
Absolutely true. Spoken like a Harry S Dent student.
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I don't know that this is the case, at least to a large extent.
I think it's a matter of Boxing's fan base getting older and not being replaced by younger fans.
Many of MMA's fans are young people who were never into boxing in the first place.
i.e. skinny white kids in tapout gear with no athletic ability but think they can someday cage fight like their heroes because they train mauy tai and their teacher says they are good hahaha.
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MMA (IFL) is actually PAYING writers to write negative stories about boxing. Here is the link...read about half way down when the writer say's, "they (ifl) are paying for this article.... Now THAT is pathetic. Who is scared???
http://msn.foxsports.com/boxing/story/6785912?MSNHPHMA
UFC and Dana White, started doing what wrestling does and EDITED OUT two piss poor fights ( where the fans were going crazy with boring chants) that were listed on the last Spike tv ufc card a couple weeks ago and filled them in with undercard fights......They also edit or pipe in cheers when the crowd is DEAD or chanting boring, which is becoming more and more popular.
In reference to the boring chants, however, and ufc I DO NOT think that ufc or mma should change their style to appease the fans that chant boring...why? because it will take away from the mixed martial arts profession and make it simply a stand up game.
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Oh those guys are outstanding. ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
Yes, I would say they are outstanding. They are world champs in the heavyweight division.
You said there is a lack of white guys in boxing that can fight, when this is in fact not true.
The fact that they are white doesn't mean they don't count angry guy. :)
No shit, thanks for enlightening us. I have news for you: good working class white fighters are almost as rare as minorities in hockey.
I said "Boxing attracts poor working class types." I didn't even mention race in this instance.
You have some kind of hangup.
Thanks again for stating the obvious. Wishful thinking on boxing. Not to say it won't change in future but the key thing you've missed is that the frequency of good fights is low. Overall boxing now is about as exciting as your theories.
I wouldn't say boxing is on the decline. The UFC means minor competition that will restore boxing to it's former glory. It's funny how people say boxing is fading away, yet everyone I know is talking about this fight. It's in the news all the time. Stuff like Classical music, ballroom dancing, and boxing waxes and wanes in terms of popularity, but they never truly dissapear because they are just that - classic.
But anyway...
Dumb questions get obvious answers...
Confucious say: losers live in crappy one bedroom apartments and use Bowflex. ;D
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Tell Tyson,Lewis,Calzaghe, Hatton,etc they are pussies to their face. I doubt you ll post again
How many of those guys are still fighting? Having to bring up names who are long retired only reinforces the gist of this thread actually.
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Yes, I would say they are outstanding. They are world champs in the heavyweight division.
You said there is a lack of white guys in boxing that can fight, when this is in fact not true.
The fact that they are white doesn't mean they don't count angry guy. :)
In which case you know very little. "Outstanding", sure. ::) ::) ::)
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I wouldn't say boxing is on the decline. The UFC means minor competition that will restore boxing to it's former glory. It's funny how people say boxing is fading away, yet everyone I know is talking about this fight. It's in the news all the time. Stuff like Classical music, ballroom dancing, and boxing waxes and wanes in terms of popularity, but they never truly dissapear because they are just that - classic.
You have the arrogance to actually think that if you personally believe it, it must be true because you're so clever bwahahahahaahahahah
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I said "Boxing attracts poor working class types." I didn't even mention race in this instance.
Get a grip, I never said you brought up race. I did. Because there's a clear difference in the demos of the two sports, which IS effecting the audiences & interest in each. Wake up.
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Last night's Oscar/Maywether fight was the best boxing has to offer. "12 rounds of 2 skinny guys with pillows on their hands sparing"...yawn ::) MMA is the future :D
hahaha, with that post you expose the fact that you are not aware of the fight game and never put on a pair of gloves in your life, hahahha,
Your a cage fighter, right....typical white suburban kid, mommy and daddy gets a car, gets a tribal tatoo and never had a fight in your life.
Just out of curiosity, post a pix.
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In which case you know very little. "Outstanding", sure...
You have the arrogance to actually think that if you personally believe it, it must be true because you're so clever bwahahahahaahahahah...
Get a grip, I never said you brought up race. I did. Because there's a clear difference in the demos of the two sports, which IS effecting the audiences & interest in each. Wake up...
(http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j51/realkarateblackbelt/bowflexdumpster.jpg)
BWAAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!
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And who is it that says boxing is dead? hahahaha... 2.15 MILLION PPV buys for 2 fighters...NOT a whole card full of fighters......All that AND at least half of the people that would have bought it (my friend as well) DID N'T because it is gonna be shown for FREE this week on hbo...so they would have had at least 3 million ppv buys if their was no free showing a week later.
The BEST and most talented athletes will box, as is evident by their skill level....anyone that doesn't believe, just put on a pair of ten ounces and see how goofy you look throwing punches.
Oh, one more thing...Boxing didn't have to PAY a writer to write this article, hahaha...yeah go MMA and the reality show where the so called pro's including Matt Hughes can not even throw a good leg kick.
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Bout Tops Lewis-Tyson, Holyfield-Tyson
By Mike Reynolds -- Multichannel News, 5/9/2007 3:24:00 PM
The heavyweights can move over: The Cinco De Mayo bout in which Floyd Mayweather topped Oscar de la Hoya for the Golden Boy’s junior-middleweight crown is pay-per-view’s all-time champ.
Mayweather’s split decision triumph over de la Hoya from the MGM Grand in Las Vegas generated 2.15 million buys and $120 million in PPV revenue, according to HBO officials. The showdown produced 1,225,000 buys from cable systems and 925,000 buys from satellite homes throughout the 50 states.
The Mayweather-de la Hoya card topped the $106.9 million drawn by the June 8, 2002, bout in which Lennox Lewis stopped Mike Tyson and surpassed the 1.99 million buys for the infamous Evander Holyfield/Tyson II bout on June 28, 1997, when the erstwhile Iron Mike bit off a piece of Holyfield’s ear.
“De la Hoya vs. Mayweather was a record-setting event from the moment the fight was announced,” HBO Sports president Ross Greenburg said in a prepared statement. “We are delighted that sports fans recognized the greatness of these two future Hall of Famers and tuned in for their showdown. It’s satisfying to see that boxing still connects with sports fans throughout the country, and we are determined to continue to present high-profile fights that capture the public’s imagination.”
The fight will be replayed on HBO Saturday at 10 p.m. (EST/ PST) and 9 p.m. (CST). HBO2 is scheduled to encore the bout May 13 at 8 a.m. and 5:30 p.m. and May 15 at 11:30 p.m.
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hahaha good find. I didn't know this fight topped Holyfield-Tyson. Amazing!
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If boxing is dying, its by its own hand. With all the various alphabet belts available the entire field is a muddled mess. Its advantageous for promotors to avoid unifying matches because it decreases the marketability of their fighter. Unfortunatley that also prevents some very interesting fights from happening and it also prevents the establishment of a linear dominant champion. A clear champion. I love boxing and follow the sport pretty closely as I do MMA. There are obvious disadvantages and advantages to the way an organization like the UFC is run. Mangement are morely likely to put good fights together because they benefit directly from pay per view buys. Unfortunately rampant favortism can arise. Fighters also are at the mercy of the UFC to determine the types of monies they recieve from fights this is only been compounded by the demise of a alternate organization for fighters to go to if they are dissatisified.