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Would you be willing to pay $1 more for every item in the grocery store, if it meant all illegal immigrants would leave the United States?
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Would you be willing to pay $1 more for every item in the grocery store, if it meant all illegal immigrants would leave the United States?
I have a question too. How do you know that it would be $1 and not $5, $10 or $20 more?
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Thats too simple...illigals do more then pick fruit. They provide cheap labor on construction sites...clean our hotels..and do a myriad of other shit jobs. There is no easy answer to this question. I'm for way more border patrol agents and a wall...principly to stop any terrorists from getting through.
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We have no illegal immigrants here in Oz and we're already paying more. No big deal - we don't have as many big race issues either.
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I have a question too. How do you know that it would be $1 and not $5, $10 or $20 more?
I am not smart enough to calculate the impact of removing ten million employees from valuable productive infrastructural positions in our economy. The $1 figure was an estimate. Once we determine if removing illegals is worth the pocketbook hit, we can talk about the various numbers.
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I am not smart enough to calculate the impact of removing ten million employees from valuable productive infrastructural positions in our economy. The $1 figure was an estimate. Once we determine if removing illegals is worth the pocketbook hit, we can talk about the various numbers.
Yours is a good question, but if you ask people if they would pay $1 more, they might say "sure, deport them all at once." But if you ask them if they would pay $20 more, they'll say "no way, leave the illegals alone."
By the way, questions and arguments like these were brought up in Britain and in America long ago when men stood up to fight slavery(free labor) and to abolish it completely. Men who opposed them and who supported slavery always brought up the economical impact that would follow if they abolished slavery.
Look at America today, slavery is no more yet your economy is still strong. Now, all you have to do is deal with your dependence on illegals(cheap labor) and your dependence on oil. ;D
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Would you be willing to pay $1 more for every item in the grocery store, if it meant all illegal immigrants would leave the United States?
i'd be willing to pay $5 more...
when ya rock a bowl filled with water..it goes to the edges..but eventually settles..and quickly too..
although the dumbcunts would have ya believe its gonna rock back and forth forever..
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ok how about we deport all illegals in prison first..start there.
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ok how about we deport all illegals in prison first..start there.
If you let them out they'll just cross the border, it'll be like a get out of jail free card. Let them finish thier sentences.
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shoot 1 illegal crossing the border..shoot to kill..
and the next 50,000 tacos will think 2ice..
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If you let them out they'll just cross the border, it'll be like a get out of jail free card. Let them finish thier sentences.
This takes into account we have a better wall..how about exporting them. It costs us 50 grand per prisoner..how about sending em elsewhere at 25 grand or 10 grand.
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If i have to pay one dollar more i don;t care.................... ...ALL I WANT is people to speak the same language. When i hear of public school time being cut in half so they can teach in Spanish it gone way too far.
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NO
I would start my own bulldozer business and start building the wall though.
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I don't mean $1 per shopping order.
I mean $1 PER ITEM in your cart.
If you have 30 items in your cart, your grocery bill goes up $30 per trip.
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It's going up that much anyway with our supposed "victory over the oil reserves in iraq" (increased prices on all goods due to increased gas prices)
Basically we are a group of B.O.H.I.C.A.'s
Cause we keep getting it over and over again.
>:(
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I'd have no problem making all illegals that are working citizens and deporting all non-working and imprisoned illegals. And at the same time securing our borders, both north and south.
Working illegals play a valuable role, it's the bums that don't work and drain society that have to go.
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Close the borders slowly and grant amnesty to the 12 million already here.
Your fear mongering over illegals leaving is getting annoying.. First, the US admits more legals immigrants than almost any other country. Second, if we just closed the borders then prices would rise slowly and so would wages.
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Cardio's is the best approach..nobody wants to pay 6 bucks for OJ but more then migrant workers are getting through.
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I'd have no problem making all illegals that are working citizens and deporting all non-working and imprisoned illegals. And at the same time securing our borders, both north and south.
It would be impossible to measure who's working and who's not.. Plus it would just cost even more to deport people and throw them into prison.
The best solution is amnesty, followed by closing the southern border.
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Its cost like 50 grand to incarcerate somebody for 1 year..roughly anyway. I think u can deport them etc as long as u have a way to make suire most end up back in. What they have to do is stop the born here=automatic citizenship crap. Its costing us all a fortune. Canada had it and found out it was a huge mistake.
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No.
We need to devote the next 20 years to building Mexico and making it so desirable to live there that no one will want to leave.
In fact, we should be doing this pretty much all over the world.
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No.
We need to devote the next 20 years to building Mexico and making it so desirable to live there that no one will want to leave.
In fact, we should be doing this pretty much all over the world.
They are the landscapers.....have em do their own yards. I say get em all out and we will be paying 11 dollars for an orange and 15 dollars for a head of lettuce.......capitilism at work. ::)
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No.
We need to devote the next 20 years to building Mexico and making it so desirable to live there that no one will want to leave.
In fact, we should be doing this pretty much all over the world.
LOL... we kinda already are.
The north american union is dedicated to importing mexican labor (or exporting work there) using the same monetary system. The amero, the new buck, is being talked about a lot, as is the giant road to connect Can to mex thru Texas.
After that, we'll deliver our brand of freedom to S. America. That's why Hugo Chavez and his little alliance are so damn nervous. They know the US will enjoy the Canadian resources to the north, but will certainly need a little more fuel in mexico to energize this transformation. That is where Venezulan oil comes in. And if our actions in Iraq coupled with our being crushed by chinese mnfg is any example, we don't have the economic capacity to pay mkt value.
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I don't mean $1 per shopping order.
I mean $1 PER ITEM in your cart.
If you have 30 items in your cart, your grocery bill goes up $30 per trip.
I would much rather do that then pay for Jorge and his 8 kids. I am sick of these people not speaking English, taking our money and not ASSIMILATING into our culture. Get rid of the ones that are here, put businesses over there and then build a wall they can't scale, using....Mexican labor and put them on the other side. Honestly, Americans used to do these jobs before and they should do them again. I am not liberal by any means but kicking these idiots out and having a worker program like FDR had for citizens to EARN there "guvment check" by doing these menial jobs that Mexicans do and if they don't then tough shit, you and your 4 welfare babies don't eat.
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We are and we do...but the Mexicans are so dammm currupt it makes it almost impossible. When kidnapping is almost the most profitable income source in your country..u have a long way to go.
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I probably buy 50 items a week at the grocery store.
$50 per week times 52 weeks = $2600.
Ya know... I'd rather have my $2600 than send em home. They honestly don't do $2600 damage to my life every year.
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It ain't them..so much it might be the illiegal trucker running ur wife off the road.....or the AQ operative getting muled in with a truck load of artichoke pickers.
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Would you be willing to pay $1 more for every item in the grocery store, if it meant all illegal immigrants would leave the United States?
I would say no I'm not. Currently (call it selfish) the immigration problem doesn't affect me, but $1 more an item sure would. I still say we stop more from coming in and give the ones here a way to become legal. Either that or ship them all home and take welfare recipients and MAKE them to the jobs left vacant in order to recieve benefits. I have heard people on assistance say "I'm not going to work at McDonalds"
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Until a backpack nuke slips through..look welfare people are on welfare for a reason...most folks who are on it never get off. Its another government program that doesn't help those it was intended for. People cheat the system all the time. Back in the early 70's before I was born my old man had sold one business and was waiting to start for construction to finish on his new one. Somebody told him he could get unemployment for the month he was off work. So he would get his check on a Friday and blow it all on my mom..take her to the Ritz for the weekend etc. But he had to park his brand New New Yorker well away from the agency. Anyway i imagine there are plenty of people who do this kinda crap for years.
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Until a backpack nuke slips through..look welfare people are on welfare for a reason...most folks who are on it never get off. Its another government program that doesn't help those it was intended for. People cheat the system all the time. Back in the early 70's before I was born my old man had sold one business and was waiting to start for construction to finish on his new one. Somebody told him he could get unemployment for the month he was off work. So he would get his check on a Friday and blow it all on my mom..take her to the Ritz for the weekend etc. But he had to park his brand New New Yorker well away from the agency. Anyway i imagine there are plenty of people who do this kinda crap for years.
They should just do the tasks the Mexicans do for the same money if we are stuck for welfare. Kill 2 birds with one stone. The illegals are gone and the lazy asses have to work or NO CHECK. The same jobs get done.
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There would be riots..and then who would pick up after the riots.... :P
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There would be riots..and then who would pick up after the riots.... :P
The riots would be due to politically correct nonsense put forth by people like Al Sharpton.. Ending piggybacking off of tax payers is surely racist. :-\
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Would you be willing to pay $1 more for every item in the grocery store, if it meant all illegal immigrants would leave the United States?
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I have a question too. How do you know that it would be $1 and not $5, $10 or $20 more?
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still yes.
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We need to force all the ILLEGALS out and then make the welfare recipients do their jobs and all the same work will still get done with welfare leeches actually WORKING for their money and provide a service. Please tell me how this could not work.
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We need to force all the ILLEGALS out and then make the welfare recipients do their jobs and all the same work will still get done with welfare leeches actually WORKING for their money and provide a service. Please tell me how this could not work.
Welfare recipients are lazy fucks.. They'd work, but it would be inefficient and slow.
My uncle has had a resteraunt for 10 years now and he's never hired according to the demographic of the neighborhood. I don't think I ever saw a black guy working for him, but plenty of mexicans and people from the motherland.
I don't think focing them out would be good for the economy. I think amnesty followed by a huge fence to keep others out would be the best solution. An exodus of 12 million would foce a lot of small businesses out. Just close the fucking borders already.
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where i live.... yes, enough already!!!
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Welfare recipients are lazy fucks.. They'd work, but it would be inefficient and slow.
My uncle has had a resteraunt for 10 years now and he's never hired according to the demographic of the neighborhood. I don't think I ever saw a black guy working for him, but plenty of mexicans and people from the motherland.
I don't think focing them out would be good for the economy. I think amnesty followed by a huge fence to keep others out would be the best solution. An exodus of 12 million would foce a lot of small businesses out. Just close the fucking borders already.
I know what you mean but if you tell a welfare dude he will not get his check unless he does that job, he will work. It is simple logic. These people do not work because they do not have to and we pay for it. We also need a fence, we need the illegals gone and people need to stop bitching and vote already. Here is a Texas town taking a step in the right direction. Amnesty is not an option to me. I refuse to allow illegals to become citizens overnight. It's like rewarding any other criminal.
http://www.reuters.com/article/domesticNews/idUSB43707620070513
Work hard, welfare recipients and illegal immigrants depend on you.
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Would you be willing to pay $1 more for every item in the grocery store, if it meant all illegal immigrants would leave the United States?
It's not that simple.
Get rid of the illegals and drop the "minimum wage" and have employers compete for workers.
I think you'd see a big change.
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It's not that simple.
Get rid of the illegals and drop the "minimum wage" and have employers compete for workers.
I think you'd see a big change.
Employers would have to raise prices in order to compete.
Employees will cost more - and as a fixed cost, the products we buy will cost more too.
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Employers would have to raise prices in order to compete.
Employees will cost more - and as a fixed cost, the products we buy will cost more too.
who cares? employers would also have to pay more because the market would have less people in it, so it evens out.
not to mention the relief on our healthcare system, the prison system and how about that auto insurance, huh? how many illegals are paying for these things?
My guess is not many, so who pays?
Overall some higher prices may occur, but I think saving would be seen in other areas.
And I agree with cap, get these motherfer's off wlfare to work the janitor jobs and the fruit picking jobs and fast food jobs etc etc etc that the illegals are doing.
CUT welfare, food stamps and force them to work for their check.
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who cares? employers would also have to pay more because the market would have less people in it, so it evens out.
not to mention the relief on our healthcare system, the prison system and how about that auto insurance, huh? how many illegals are paying for these things?
My guess is not many, so who pays?
Overall some higher prices may occur, but I think saving would be seen in other areas.
And I agree with cap, get these motherfer's off wlfare to work the janitor jobs and the fruit picking jobs and fast food jobs etc etc etc that the illegals are doing.
CUT welfare, food stamps and force them to work for their check.
Seriously man. Even if the government split the bill with the businesses for the wages that these guys would be paying. FDR had the public works program. Although I am not a Dem or Lib, there is common sense to this. Set it up so that people work for the amount they are currently getting. If that means that the welfare recipient has to flip burgers or pick strawberries, at least they are earning their pay and doing the jobs that illegals would have done. You kill two birds with one stone.
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exactly, where there is a will, there is a way :D
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who cares? employers would also have to pay more because the market would have less people in it, so it evens out.
sorry boss. disagree.
Less people in the market (300 mil to 288 mil) would hurt companies - less consumers.
And higher labor costs translate to higher product/services costs. always.
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sorry boss. disagree.
Less people in the market (300 mil to 288 mil) would hurt companies - less consumers.
And higher labor costs translate to higher product/services costs. always.
So having welfare workers do those jobs won't keep costs down? Force them to work and do those jobs. The government can save money by splitting the cost of that money. Currently you and I pay for welfare and the government sends those funds to welfare recipients who do nothing. Consider what companies pay illegal immigrants and subtract that from what the government pays and you reduce our tax output to welfare. At the very least it would keep costs low.
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Thats too simple...illigals do more then pick fruit. They provide cheap labor on construction sites...clean our hotels..and do a myriad of other shit jobs. There is no easy answer to this question. I'm for way more border patrol agents and a wall...principly to stop any terrorists from getting through.
That cheap labor argument is so blown out of proportion and not so accurate.
There are many many people that WILL do the jobs of these ILLEGALS and can not.
In ny were I'm from there are many teens or adults without education looking for work landscaping, raod work, gutters, moving furniture, anything, but they can't get it because the owners ILLEGALLY pick up the illegals.
In Miami recently there was a news story about a high school kid that couldn't get worjk in a hotel because they were hiring illegals for cheaper.
Bottom line, enforce the law...the law that is written today and get rid of the illegals and hire our own americans to do the work.
I grew up in the catering business in NY and know the deal with illegals and I still say get rid of them.
Any supporters want to answer the post I wrote that included the crime stats of these criminals? Do you still support these illegals after seeing that OVER 240, 000 are taken up space in our prisons and they are the highest on the list of sexual predators in the united states...and they are illegal.