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I get the feeling the REPEATED color coded "Terror Alerts" were used primarily to scare the American public before elections.
Is it possible the Bush W.H. use the "Terror Alerts" to scare the American public into voting Repug?
Discuss....
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I get the feeling the REPEATED color coded "Terror Alerts" were used primarily to scare the American public before elections.
Is it possible the Bush W.H. use the "Terror Alerts" to scare the American public into voting Repug?
Discuss....
I could be mistaken, but has the "Terror" gone away? ???
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beats me..but every American Dad episode has a color coded chart on the fridgerator!!
Props to Tom Ridge for our Terror Alert code!! hehe.
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I could be mistaken, but has the "Terror" gone away? ???
Thanks to the Republicans who are strong on national defense I would say yes. Glad to see you come around finally.
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Thanks to the Republicans who are strong on national defense I would say yes. Glad to see you come around finally.
Thank God the Repugs saved us from Saddams WMD's.
Whew!! I feel so protected........like a bay in mommy's arms. ::)
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fear tactics to vote republican. everyone knows it by now. you can only play that card for so long, and people are going to see thru it. When they announce a foiled attack now, we think back to the massive 10 plane UK plot which ended up to be BS.
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Tuesday, May 1, 2007 (London)
A UK jury has convicted five men of plotting to bomb several targets in London, including a popular nightclub, power plants and shopping mall - with chemical fertiliser.
The yearlong trial, Britain's longest ever terror case, exposed links between the men and at least two of the suicide bombers who attacked London's public transport system in 2005, killing 52 commuters.
Yeah not everything is perfect but these people are a threat and any time they don't take things seriously somebody will get through and do damage and then everybody will whine and cry and complain that the governemnst didn't do enough. The argument thats is all about fear is complete BS. If one bomb get through or one backpack nuke or small scale WMD kills anbody over here..the libs will be screaming for Bush's head because he didn't do enough.
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Yeah not everything is perfect but these people are a threat and any time they don't take things seriously somebody will get through and do damage and then everybody will whine and cry and complain that the governemnst didn't do enough. The argument thats is all about fear is complete BS. If one bomb get through or one backpack nuke or small scale WMD kills anbody over here..the libs will be screaming for Bush's head because he didn't do enough.
you're a smart poster, hh6. Please don't make people think you're a hateful guy by calling folks "libs" because they don't support an elective war for oil while our borders sit wide open.
I think what many get pissed about is the "BREAKING NEWS..." that last 5 days, the OReillys patting themselves on the back and mocking libs for weeks, over the UK plane scare... then they get awfully quiet when it turns out the threat was hollow.
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I do not consider every democrat a lib...far from it. This country is by its nature center right..always has been. In order to govern here..folks like Clinton had to move to the right...and he did alot of things that really pissed off the far left of his party. Guys like bush have to move center to hit the average Amnerican...alot of repubs feel uncomfortable with the evangelical wing of the party. I know i get sorta 'itchy' thinking about them. All that said..should an attack occur..the average dem or repub would not become unhinged but would look at what happened and try and fix it. Libs by their nature....would whine and scream like children..without looking at how some of their own..such as the ACLU etc have dampened efforts to find these batsrds and do something before we all glow in the dark...and thanks for the complement..I'm doing my best :P. My current job is sooooooooo boring so u guys are keeping me going.
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here's the thing.
many neocons believe the threat is worse than it is because 1) They beleive everything bush says, including fear tactics which benefit him come election time, 2) they bought all the WMD talk despite experts and intel saying otherwise.
many libs underestimate the threat because, simply, they believe a lot of the terror is partially created by our own govt. Why? Shit, without 9/11, there would be no patriot act, no invasions on afghan, iraq, and no coming iran. 9/11 was bush's blank check, we all can agree to that. You toss in all the evidence - like WTC7 being a controlled demo - and many libs do believe that the terror threat is actually generated by us to justify us imperialist aggression.
I believe there ARE crazy groups out ther ewho would love to hurt us. But it's odd the only time it happens here, it happens to have white fingerprints all over it. I mean, FAA standing down and destorying records - what the fvck was that? It was involvement, plain and simple.
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Here's the daily National Threat Advisory http://www.dhs.gov/xinfoshare/programs/Copy_of_press_release_0046.shtm
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Thanks to the Republicans who are strong on national defense I would say yes. Glad to see you come around finally.
either u r a puss..
or i'm hardened..
but i kinda never really felt terrified after 911..
occumz razor..
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The only thing I'm worried about isa nuke or dirty bomb..and i figure they have all that pretty well tracked.
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either u r a puss..
or i'm hardened..
but i kinda never really felt terrified after 911..
occumz razor..
I've never felt worried either
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Thanks to the Republicans who are strong on national defense I would say yes. Glad to see you come around finally.
really?
i quote you here..
so ya musta felt some kinda terror..
i wasn't even concerned.. :-\
a red terror alert day meant traffic would be better for me :)
if there is a draft..man o man..people like you (repbs) r the ones that r gonna suffer..
for me..its been there..done that..
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No everybody will suffer......or get a deferment. I think it would be good for some u guys to suffer a bit.
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No everybody will suffer......or get a deferment. I think it would be good for some u guys to suffer a bit.
lol i'll move to europe.. :)
its not my fight :)
ya wanna die for some dumb redneck that $ hungry..go ahead..
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No everybody will suffer......or get a deferment. I think it would be good for some u guys to suffer a bit.
This war ends in a NY minute if the Repugs start getting drafted.
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Dude this war ends if anybody starts getting drafted. Its the reason this war has gone on so long in the first place. Everybody serving volunteered and the average American doesn't care.
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beats me..but every American Dad episode has a color coded chart on the fridgerator!!
Props to Tom Ridge for our Terror Alert code!! hehe.
haha, I love that show
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I fly pretty frequently and believe we were at "Threat Level Orange" last weekend.
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This war ends in a NY minute if the Repugs start getting drafted.
No need for the draft when people are RE-ENLISTING!!
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No need for the draft when people are RE-ENLISTING!!
Kinda a vague statement there. Across the board, enlistment, and re-enslists are down, and we don't have enough military personnel. Plus grads aren't serving as they used to. Stats show this across the board - less people are joining. ALso requirements are being laxed.
But hey, if a generic statement like "people are Re-Enlisting" makes you feel better, by all means, use it everywhere! But be aware that LESS are re-enlisting.
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That will come to end end soon man..I'm in the middle of this crap and when senior officers are starting to scratch their heads we have problems.
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I don't talk about this stuff because I don't wanna give some on here ammunition but...guys are sick of this crap...nobody minds smoking badguys but rolling down roads and getting IED'd is friggen stupid. When the Iraqi folks your training are so damm worthless u know it won't get done unless u do it..it kinda sickens u. These folks wanna kill themselves..let em.
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I don't talk about this stuff because I don't wanna give some on here ammunition but...guys are sick of this crap...nobody minds smoking badguys but rolling down roads and getting IED'd is friggen stupid. When the Iraqi folks your training are so damm worthless u know it won't get done unless u do it..it kinda sickens u. These folks wanna kill themselves..let em.
I appreciate and respect your honesty.
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If they told these guys, go take down that house or we'rte going to fight that fat Fuck Al Sadr..they will ina heartbeat.......but riding downa road and getting blown up....its like being sucker punched. Everybody here lifts...we all have an ego of some sort..well if a 120 prick hit ya with a bat from behind and u ended up in a wheelchair and may never get a chance to get the lillte bastad u'd go nust..thats Iraq. When we went into Falujha we fucked em up......nobody to really hit back at with an IED attack.
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really?
i quote you here..
so ya musta felt some kinda terror..
i wasn't even concerned.. :-\
a red terror alert day meant traffic would be better for me :)
if there is a draft..man o man..people like you (repbs) r the ones that r gonna suffer..
for me..its been there..done that..
I'm not sure how that quote infers fear, he asked if terror threat was gone. I was simply implying since there have been no more attacks then yes it must be gone. I don't think they have actively done anything but the world knows that the republicans will retaliate and that helps to keep it away. What do I have to worry about? I live in montana! Why am I considered a repub simple because I think that party is tougher on defense?I prefer the way that Democrats don't harp as much on what is censored on tv/radio. Does that make me a dem?
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This war ends in a NY minute if the Repugs start getting drafted.
Who do you think is in the military now?
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Kinda a vague statement there. Across the board, enlistment, and re-enslists are down, and we don't have enough military personnel. Plus grads aren't serving as they used to. Stats show this across the board - less people are joining. ALso requirements are being laxed.
But hey, if a generic statement like "people are Re-Enlisting" makes you feel better, by all means, use it everywhere! But be aware that LESS are re-enlisting.
Less people are joining because the size of the military is being cut, we aren't recruiting as many, however all goals are bwing met. Same with re-enlistment, the numbers look down because they are cutting 40,000 from the AF for instance, however the goals are being met.
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Kinda a vague statement there. Across the board, enlistment, and re-enslists are down, and we don't have enough military personnel. Plus grads aren't serving as they used to. Stats show this across the board - less people are joining. ALso requirements are being laxed.
But hey, if a generic statement like "people are Re-Enlisting" makes you feel better, by all means, use it everywhere! But be aware that LESS are re-enlisting.
Stop it, Mr. Hate isn't interested in facts, only anti-liberal propaganda.
BTW, my favorite of the Bush Administration Terror Alerts was the directive to keep our eyes open for anything suspicious. LOL
I love the idea of citizens cruising our highways searching for anything that doesn't look right.
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Well we're trying to grow the Army and the Marines so...somebody is going to have to join.
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Well we're trying to grow the Army and the Marines so...somebody is going to have to join.
You haven't heard of blue to green?
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Stop it, Mr. Hate isn't interested in facts, only anti-liberal propaganda.
BTW, my favorite of the Bush Administration Terror Alerts was the directive to keep our eyes open for anything suspicious. LOL
I love the idea of citizens cruising our highways searching for anything that doesn't look right.
I enjoyed the duct tape fiasco. ;D
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Yeah i think we crossed over the 1200 guy mark on that..we need 50,000 Joes and another Marine Div worth of guys. Blue to green helps but its not enough.
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2500 guys in ira doing all this damage, according to gen. mccaffrey.
incredible that our 300,000 men (combined us forces and contractors) cannot flush em out and plug em in a week, much less 4 years :(
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2500 guys in ira doing all this damage, according to gen. mccaffrey.
incredible that our 300,000 men (combined us forces and contractors) cannot flush em out and plug em in a week, much less 4 years :(
If you only had any idea how wars are fought I would agree with you
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If you only had any idea how wars are fought I would agree with you
I've read clauswitz and sun tzu. i have not served. This argument is about macro tactics, not micro, where one who served would have experience, so disparaging my lack of experience should be followed by you delivering your credentials on nation-scale planning, or you backing off that front.
Now... we have a 100 to 1 man advantage, the support of the local govt, and a huge technology and unlimited resource advantage. Additionally, we have the ability to entrench in any position we choose as we fight their urban guerilla tactics. We should not be losing. Four years, we should have starved, isolated, bribed, located, intel'd, and killed 2500 pricks by now, many of whom end themselves daily by suicide bomb.
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When we went into Falujha we fucked em up
Yes, American soldiers killed lots of civilians. Proud of that? All because 4 American mercenaries from Blackwater got what they deserved.
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We leveled the place because they had it coming..those guys were hero's defending a convoy. The Marines went in to exact a bit of revenge for that and alot more.
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I've read clauswitz and sun tzu. i have not served. This argument is about macro tactics, not micro, where one who served would have experience, so disparaging my lack of experience should be followed by you delivering your credentials on nation-scale planning, or you backing off that front.
Now... we have a 100 to 1 man advantage, the support of the local govt, and a huge technology and unlimited resource advantage. Additionally, we have the ability to entrench in any position we choose as we fight their urban guerilla tactics. We should not be losing. Four years, we should have starved, isolated, bribed, located, intel'd, and killed 2500 pricks by now, many of whom end themselves daily by suicide bomb.
Can you show me one battle that we have lost? One battle where they took more casualities than we did? One time that we failed to root them out of a hole they were trying to defend? They take our lives with roadside bombs, not bullets. What did clauswitz and sun tzu have to say about dealing with IEDs? I am sure you know that if we were figthing conventional warfare we would have wiped them out along time ago.
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SZ and claus wrote of sneak attacks of an urban insurgency method. whether it be planted bombs or men putting hemlock in the water supply, it's nontraditional battlefield techniques and involves much more than "leveling fallujah to teach them a lesson" as someone wrote here yesterday.
Intel. resource feed. public morale/support. these things are broken, and i believe by design, to prolong the war so we can finish the oil evac. period.
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It was me..anyway Falujha was neccesary.....some Civilians were killed but u nver heard a huge outcry because we told them to get out and by and large they did. Now I'm not saying thats how we need to do business every time but it sends a message. The problem is we are very uneven with our responses.
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is falujah a peaceful place today?
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We leveled the place because they had it coming..those guys were hero's defending a convoy. The Marines went in to exact a bit of revenge for that and alot more.
You should read your own words.
"Leveled the place because they had it coming..."
Come on man, we're the good guys.
At least, we're supposed to be.
Destroying infrastructure, ruining lives and possibilities? When did it all come down to shit like that?
Did you know about that part of the deal when you signed up in the military?
I don't blame you hh6. Not for a second. It's our political leaders that lacks balls and courage, as well as moral, to do the right thing.
-Hedge
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Ok well Falujha was a complex issue..we had planned it for months....went it backed down..and then went in again after the "Blackwater bridge incident", more as a catalyst. This was early in the insurgency and we were trying show consistancy with our actions..or atleast sending a message to the bad guys. We pulled out a few months earlier and that emboldened the enemy. I think if we were more consistand and really hammer the bad guys and then watch what we do as we treat civi's it would send the right message to the populace.
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I do not consider every democrat a lib...far from it.
Nor do I consider every Republican to be a "Repug" .........as in repugnant.
Libs are to the far left.
Repugs are to the far right.
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Ok well Falujha was a complex issue..we had planned it for months....went it backed down..and then went in again after the "Blackwater bridge incident", more as a catalyst. This was early in the insurgency and we were trying show consistancy with our actions..or atleast sending a message to the bad guys. We pulled out a few months earlier and that emboldened the enemy. I think if we were more consistand and really hammer the bad guys and then watch what we do as we treat civi's it would send the right message to the populace.
What's your best memory from being in Iraq,
and what is the worst?
-Hedge
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We leveled the place because they had it coming..those guys were hero's defending a convoy. The Marines went in to exact a bit of revenge for that and alot more.
How many DU rounds do you estimate we utilized in that city, and what will the long term effects be to both the GI's and the surviving civilians??
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Not many as DU is a huge waste of money on non-armored targets..It goes right through mostly eveything with not much of a bang..more DU during Desert Storm.
I had many guys load up on HE rounds..we figured we'd see more lite skinned crap then tracks.
Craziest moment was ..we had encountered some infantry and some of my guys were going after them. I was on the radio calling in the contact and screwing with my map... and my gunner was pretty much running thing on the track. Well some hero in a tank comes rolling ouyt of a junk yard..i doubt he ever even knew there were M1's around...he was bugging out. Well I saw him first and swung the gun over to him....at the same time a few of those guys my own troops had been chasing came out of alley and were bugging out..dropping weapons etc as they had M1's chasing em.. My gunner swung the tube back over to engage them,..so we're both yelling and finally i had to kick his helmit, My loader figured we were dead. The idiot in the tank sort a stopped...I finally got the tube over and my gunner smkoed him from about 75 yards or so...Spung the turret 20 feet in the air. Very scary...thought i shit myself.
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is falujah a peaceful place today?
Is it?
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Well they leveled it pretty good buit folks moved back in..I'm sure it sucks like every other part. I'll dig around and see.
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I don't talk about this stuff because I don't wanna give some on here ammunition but...guys are sick of this crap...nobody minds smoking badguys but rolling down roads and getting IED'd is friggen stupid.
Amen!! Finally some truth.
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I'm sure if we stay long enough we will have fleets of IED proof lite vehicles..and have a mastery of insurgency warfare..long enough to face a resurgent conventional threat in Russia (doubtful) or China. ::)
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HH6, why do you hide information from people simply because it supports their views? That's the second time I've seen you post that. Makes me wonder how much else you're not filling us in on.
At this point everyone knows the situation in Iraq is a mess, I for one would love to know what the soldiers on the ground think. Not because it would support my views but because they're the ones doing the actual work while we all sit safely at our desks pontificating.
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Well as u have seen in the last few days...I'm starting to come clean...60% would like to pack up. i think they will release a study here within the next few days. I'll get u guys more on it so ur the 'first to know". The guys have no problem fighting these guys....but getting blown up is not what we want to do.
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Well as u have seen in the last few days...I'm starting to come clean...60% would like to pack up. i think they will release a study here within the next few days. I'll get u guys more on it so ur the 'first to know". The guys have no problem fighting these guys....but getting blown up is not what we want to do.
No one wants to go to war. I am sure 90%+ would rather be watching seinfeld reruns with the family
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No one wants to go to war.
The facts prove George W Bush wanted a war. Just don't ask HIM to fight.
Typical Repug. ::)