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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: mesmorph78 on May 11, 2007, 04:50:18 PM
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Stronger thab ronnie coleman..
levrone..
cormier
jay?
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he is strong on deads yes..
strongest bodybuilder..
no
the strongerst bodybuilder is the guy who is strong on a wide variety of lifts..
overall that title belongs to coleman he is strong on virtally everything
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Tom Prince or Flex Wheeler. Greg Valentino cheat curls 405.
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Tom Prince or Flex Wheeler. Greg Valentino cheat curls 405.
405?? You're kidding me
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405?? You're kidding me
I think he means Greg inflates to 405 psi
one could not consider Johnny O as one of the strongest when he only gets 1 clean bounced rep with 405
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Johnnie Jackson strenght is extremely overrated. He is only strong on deadlifts, he was fucking crazy when he challenged ronnie. I watched bfto 05 when he and branch warren were training together, even though they were both low on carbs and calories in general johnnie could bearly keep up with branch. I'm not sure where these claims that he is significally stronger than most bbers came from. I understand he powerlifts but the only impressive lift that he has is the deadlift, I believe everyone has that one movement that they're just exceptionally strong at.
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Johnnie Jackson strenght is extremely overrated. He is only strong on deadlifts, he was fucking crazy when he challenged ronnie. I watched bfto 05 when he and branch warren were training together, even though they were both low on carbs and calories in general johnnie could bearly keep up with branch. I'm not sure where these claims that he is significally stronger than most bbers came from. I understand he powerlifts but the only impressive lift that he has is the deadlift, I believe everyone has that one movement that they're just exceptionally strong at.
he's pulled 814 in competition, squatted around 830, and if i'm not mistaken his bench was in the 500s. JOJ is incredibly strong, he just gets weak as hell when dieting for a show.
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Johnnie Jackson strenght is extremely overrated. He is only strong on deadlifts, he was fucking crazy when he challenged ronnie. I watched bfto 05 when he and branch warren were training together, even though they were both low on carbs and calories in general johnnie could bearly keep up with branch. I'm not sure where these claims that he is significally stronger than most bbers came from. I understand he powerlifts but the only impressive lift that he has is the deadlift, I believe everyone has that one movement that they're just exceptionally strong at.
i agree..
i think branch is stronger than johnnie...
but with coleman there is no comparision.. he is strong at EVERYTHING...
shoulder presses with 160
bench press with 5 plates
squats with 8 or nine plates
rows with 500lbs
200lb dumbell presses..
here is simply no comparison between him and coleman..
kevin levron is quite strong as well tom prince
cormier is stron ive seen cormier rep 405 for 10 on his final set of inclines inclines..
after which he did bench presses from 225 straight up to 405 for to on beech press
and that wasnt off season was a couple weeks out from the olympia..3 to 4 weeks i think... how johnnie got past all these guys to be the strongest bber alive... i have no clue..
he has a good deadlift... yes strongest .. hell no
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he's pulled 814 in competition, squatted around 830, and if i'm not mistaken his bench was in the 500s. JOJ is incredibly strong, he just gets weak as hell when dieting for a show.
Dude wouldnt you say Branch is stronger than JJ though?
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he's pulled 814 in competition, squatted around 830, and if i'm not mistaken his bench was in the 500s. JOJ is incredibly strong, he just gets weak as hell when dieting for a show.
where is the video.. id like to see these lifts..
coleman squatted 833 3 weeks out from the 2003 olympia
i would love to see that bench video....in particular
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Dude wouldnt you say Branch is stronger than JJ though?
in some lifts, definitely. but JoJ has demonstrated a stronger bench, squat, and deadlift than any other bodybuilder.
ronnie ain't the be all and end all of strength. his bb row and DB bench was the only lift no one can beat him on, and even those we don't know definitively.
where is the video.. id like to see these lifts..
coleman squatted 833 3 weeks out from the 2003 olympia
i would love to see that bench video....in particular
uh, no he didn't. he squatted 800 even not to parallel about 6-8 weeks out. JoJ did his lifts in sanctioned PL competitions, ronnie did them in the gym. JoJ pulled 814 without straps 3 weeks out of the 2001 nationals at a meet weighing about 50 pounds less than ronnie.
in a PL competition, JoJ wins in straight numbers and especially if you use bodyweight coefficients. ronnie is far and away the better bodybuilder. let it be.
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JJ can't touch Ronnie.
Ronnie benched 495 for 5 reps.. There are very few people in the world that can do that.
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Jackson benched 405 for two reps and hes juiced to the gills. Big deal ::)
A friend of mine who has never taken any juice has done 405 for more reps than that and he weighs about 205. ::)
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JJ can't touch Ronnie.
Ronnie benched 495 for 5 reps.. There are very few people in the world that can do that.
watch that video again. aside from bouncing it off his chest nicely, he hardly even went halfway up. i'd be curious to see if he could do that even once with a pause and to full lockout.
Jackson benched 405 for two reps and hes juiced to the gills. Big deal ::)
A friend of mine who has never taken any juice has done 405 for more reps than that and he weighs about 205. ::)
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jackson benched 405 for two reps weak as hell due to contest dieting. it just baffles me that you guys are so stupid that simple things like that elude you.
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405 for two and juiced to the gills, big fucking deal. ::) I dont give a shit if it was the day of the contest, not impressive. As ive said, guys who have never juiced do more reps at 205 pounds. ::)
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watch that video again. aside from bouncing it off his chest nicely, he hardly even went halfway up. i'd be curious to see if he could do that even once with a pause and to full lockout.
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jackson benched 405 for two reps weak as hell due to contest dieting. it just baffles me that you guys are so stupid that simple things like that elude you.
If you are going to call out ronnie on form, then do the same of JJ. JJ's form just plain sucks.
Ronnie was a few weeks out when he benched 495 for 5 and we wasn't bouncing the weight off his chest.. ::)
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in some lifts, definitely. but JoJ has demonstrated a stronger bench, squat, and deadlift than any other bodybuilder.
ronnie ain't the be all and end all of strength. his bb row and DB bench was the only lift no one can beat him on, and even those we don't know definitively.
uh, no he didn't. he squatted 800 even not to parallel about 6-8 weeks out. JoJ did his lifts in sanctioned PL competitions, ronnie did them in the gym. JoJ pulled 814 without straps 3 weeks out of the 2001 nationals at a meet weighing about 50 pounds less than ronnie.
in a PL competition, JoJ wins in straight numbers and especially if you use bodyweight coefficients. ronnie is far and away the better bodybuilder. let it be.
True
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405 for two and juiced to the gills, big fucking deal. ::) I dont give a shit if it was the day of the contest, not impressive. As ive said, guys who have never juiced do more reps at 205 pounds. ::)
Never competed have you?
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a) He was 2 weeks out from a show.
b) Who knows what he did prior to benching?
c) How old is that video? He said he turned pro and so on. If it were more recent he would have mentioned his pro competitions.
d) I have seen the guy lift in person, he is STRONG!
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Post a video where makes an impressive lift instead of some juiced up cretin bouncing 405 off his chest for 2 reps. hahahahaha
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David "Tank" Abbott benches 600 raw.
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Tank's lifts are much more impressive , plus he could beat Mr Jackson like a rented mule in the octagon. ;D
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haha
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in some lifts, definitely. but JoJ has demonstrated a stronger bench, squat, and deadlift than any other bodybuilder.
ronnie ain't the be all and end all of strength. his bb row and DB bench was the only lift no one can beat him on, and even those we don't know definitively.
uh, no he didn't. he squatted 800 even not to parallel about 6-8 weeks out. JoJ did his lifts in sanctioned PL competitions, ronnie did them in the gym. JoJ pulled 814 without straps 3 weeks out of the 2001 nationals at a meet weighing about 50 pounds less than ronnie.
in a PL competition, JoJ wins in straight numbers and especially if you use bodyweight coefficients. ronnie is far and away the better bodybuilder. let it be.
are you forgetting coleman 160 dumbell presses..
315 militay presses for 12
405 inclinne barbell presses
200 dumbell row700 behind the back shrugs
.. these i have seen on video
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what have we seen so far from johnie on video..
495 deadlift 405 barbell rows...
and his form is worst than ronnies..
put it this way i read in an article with johnie and branch chest workot he wast struggling to get 6 reps with 160
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coleman shoulder press those...
take all the excersises.. it is no contest what so ever...
and i have yet to see johnie move any weight to colemans.. on video.... yet to see it..
branch destroyed him on chest..
jaymoore deadlifted more than him on back on brto 2004..
all i keep hearin is how strong this guy is i am yet to see it with me eyes..i have watched 4 videos with him now...
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The juiced to the gills bodybuilders don't impress me. Those WSM guys, walking around with a right ungodly beer gut and 33.333333% bodyfat do.
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are you forgetting coleman 160 dumbell presses..
315 militay presses for 12
405 inclinne barbell presses
200 dumbell row700 behind the back shrugs
.. these i have seen on video
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what have we seen so far from johnie on video..
495 deadlift 405 barbell rows...
and his form is worst than ronnies..
put it this way i read in an article with johnie and branch chest workot he wast struggling to get 6 reps with 160
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coleman shoulder press those...
take all the excersises.. it is no contest what so ever...
and i have yet to see johnie move any weight to colemans.. on video.... yet to see it..
branch destroyed him on chest..
jaymoore deadlifted more than him on back on brto 2004..
all i keep hearin is how strong this guy is i am yet to see it with me eyes..i have watched 4 videos with him now...
i agree, Jonnie's strength is overrated but he did do 11-12 decent reps with 315 on the incline on BFTO 05 training chest with Branch, there was another video of him and Branch in Kuwait where Branch does something like 15 with 405 on the flat bench and Jonnie does something like 8 but they also both do 405 on the incline for a few reps, no one i've seen has demonstrated the ALL AROUND strength of Coleman though.
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The only guy comprable to Coleman in strength has been Yates....although most people do not understand just how strong Yates was due to his extremely strict form. In the offseason of 92, Yates was shoulder pressing 150lb dumbells like peanuts, benching over 500lbs, calf raises with 1400lbs, barbell rowing 475 (With Coleman's form this may be closer to 550), and on. Yates used to barbell squat well in excess of 600lbs before he decided to not use that movement anymore.
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The juiced to the gills bodybuilders don't impress me. Those WSM guys, walking around with a right ungodly beer gut and 33.333333% bodyfat do.
Epic physique goals. ;D
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The only guy comprable to Coleman in strength has been Yates....although most people do not understand just how strong Yates was due to his extremely strict form. In the offseason of 92, Yates was shoulder pressing 150lb dumbells like peanuts, benching over 500lbs, calf raises with 1400lbs, barbell rowing 475 (With Coleman's form this may be closer to 550), and on. Yates used to barbell squat well in excess of 600lbs before he decided to not use that movement anymore.
Agreed, I always thought Ytes was the strongest bodybuilder ever. The absolutely perfect form he exerted on every rep is why he is far and above anyone in terms of bodybuilding strength.
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What about Greg Kovacs? Given we stretch any definition we have of "bodybuilding" to include him in it.
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Levrone did 495 easier than JOJ did 405.
no bber beats levrone on presses.
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In the february 2004 flex europe edition
it has coleman squatting 9 plates (it looks real)
and I quote
"Four weeks before the 2003 Olympia, Ronnie Coleman squatted 855 pounds. Thats the kind of drive that takes home Sandow statuettes."
end quote
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uh, no he didn't. he squatted 800 even not to parallel about 6-8 weeks out. JoJ did his lifts in sanctioned PL competitions, ronnie did them in the gym. JoJ pulled 814 without straps 3 weeks out of the 2001 nationals at a meet weighing about 50 pounds less than ronnie.
in a PL competition, JoJ wins in straight numbers and especially if you use bodyweight coefficients. ronnie is far and away the better bodybuilder. let it be.
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Man, that must be some good crack that you have been smoking... Ronnie's fucking hamstrings practically touched his fucking calves and he was about 3 weeks out... and he pulled 805 lbs off the floor for a double(i know he was wearing straps but that is still impressive). if you think that Johnny is stronger then you are just crazeeeeeeeeeee!
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i am looking at the pic now of coleman squattin 9 plates .. looks autentic... feb 2004 flex
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uh, no he didn't. he squatted 800 even not to parallel about 6-8 weeks out. JoJ did his lifts in sanctioned PL competitions, ronnie did them in the gym. JoJ pulled 814 without straps 3 weeks out of the 2001 nationals at a meet weighing about 50 pounds less than ronnie.
in a PL competition, JoJ wins in straight numbers and especially if you use bodyweight coefficients. ronnie is far and away the better bodybuilder. let it be.
Man, that must be some good crack that you have been smoking... Ronnie's fucking hamstrings practically touched his fucking calves and he was about 3 weeks out... and he pulled 805 lbs off the floor for a double(i know he was wearing straps but that is still impressive). if you think that Johnny is stronger then you are just crazeeeeeeeeeee!
exactly, it always makes me laugh when people say that the 800 that Coleman did for 2 on COR was a half squat, hahahahahahaha, he was at least an inch below parallel on those reps.
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exactly, it always makes me laugh when people say that the 800 that Coleman did for 2 on COR was a half squat, hahahahahahaha, he was at least an inch below parallel on those reps.
He was far from an inch below parallel. He was slightly above parallel, but the lift was very impressive.
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He was far from an inch below parallel. He was slightly above parallel, but the lift was very impressive.
bullshit, i've slowed that DVD down and watched it many times at one eighth speed and paused it at the bottom and he's below parallel.
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Well, if you want to talk about ex-Bodybuilders, Gary Taylor comes to mind.
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He was far from an inch below parallel. He was slightly above parallel, but the lift was very impressive.
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i dunno..
if u are the strongest bodybuilder in the world at least in your video you would do some kind of feat to support that claim so far what i i have seen of johnnny.. doest even suggest he is the strongers bb in his gym.. because from what i have seen branch.. and jay moore have moved more weight than him.
he wasnt even close to branch in the chest sessions i have seen them both do...
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Are there any other bodybuilders who have done a powerlifting meet?
Even if they aren't pros? Isn't there a powerlifter who posts here who does bodybuilding shows?
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Are there any other bodybuilders who have done a powerlifting meet?
Even if they aren't pros? Isn't there a powerlifter who posts here who does bodybuilding shows?
Billy Mimnaugh posts here and he's done fairly well at both but he's not at the level that JOJ is in bodybuilding.
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Rory Leidelmeyer
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Are there any other bodybuilders who have done a powerlifting meet?
Even if they aren't pros? Isn't there a powerlifter who posts here who does bodybuilding shows?
Gary Taylor, completed in Olympic lifting, power lifting and bodybuilding...I read he came second to Dorian at one of the British Championship. More famously know for winning World's Strongest Man. Glenn Ross has won some Irish Bodybuilding competition as well...
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Gary Taylor, completed in Olympic lifting, power lifting and bodybuilding...I read he came second to Dorian at one of the British Championship. More famously know for winning World's Strongest Man. Glenn Ross has won some Irish Bodybuilding competition as well...
You are joking about Glenn Ross right?
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The juiced to the gills bodybuilders don't impress me. Those WSM guys, walking around with a right ungodly beer gut and 33.333333% bodyfat do.
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that was some weak ass bench (compared to the stronger bodybuilders of course)
but you cant deny that JOJ has some of the best pecs in bodybuilding today.
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bullshit, i've slowed that DVD down and watched it many times at one eighth speed and paused it at the bottom and he's below parallel.
Really? Why not post a clip which is paused to prove your point?
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Yes, I watch strongman when it comes on...
He is more the exception than the rule.
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i am looking at the pic now of coleman squattin 9 plates .. looks autentic... feb 2004 flex
totally fake.
look at the plates again - you can see a difference in the fake vs. real ones.
or look at it like this, in ronnie's vid he squats 800 a few weeks before the olympia with a squat suit.
in the photo shoot he is doing 855 with no squat suit, spotters, and much closer or sooner from a contest.
dont think so.
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Really? Why not post a clip which is paused to prove your point?
hahahahaha, you seriously make me laugh, you think you're the only guy who lifts any kind of weight with good form, my Lord!!!!!!!!! 6 plate partial t bars , 545 pound deadlifts off the power rack supports and 170 pound swing curls, you're a BEAST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ;D
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No one has mentioned Kovacs... :'(
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You are joking about Glenn Ross right?
Glenn in contest shape, no idea when.
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Stronger thab ronnie coleman..
levrone..
cormier
jay?
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he is strong on deads yes..
strongest bodybuilder..
no
the strongerst bodybuilder is the guy who is strong on a wide variety of lifts..
overall that title belongs to coleman he is strong on virtally everything
Compared to Coleman JJ is a little boy...