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Getbig Misc Discussion Boards => Mixed Martial Arts (MMA/UFC) => Topic started by: vikingpower on May 15, 2007, 11:59:38 AM
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bulldog said eddie bravo was my hero and that got me thinking about who my actual ones were..
i learned the most from watching dean lister and fedor ... dean has the tighest bjj game for a somewhat big man, and fedor (while not having the best game from the bottom on side/half) has the best armbars in mma, some of the most effective striking, amazing power in both strikes and takedowns ... and the ability to callously size up his exponents and ... win
i learned more from pulling apart these guys vids(both training and fight footage) than i did training under an (amaxing) black belt instructor in bjj ...
who do you people look up to and why?
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i just recently started again bjj lessons, but very recreational...i didnt do it for like 8 years...so i cant say its a 'fighting' influence, but my favorite guy was, is and always will be Vitor Belfort...When he got famous it was the 'boom' of MMA and jiu jitsu here in brazil, more or less in 97, after jiu jitsu was gaining more and more fame each year, after UFC was created by the Gracies...Vitor was the beginning of a new type of fighter, more hybrid, technical but still like an animal...very explosive. He was also young, charismatic and a disciple of the 'outside' man in the Gracie family - Carlson Gracie (wich at that time had the best MMA team here...wich some years later became Brazilian Top Team)
On MMA, after Belfort the ones i like more-
- Igor Vovchanchin
- Rickson Gracie
nowadays
- Fedor
- Cro Cop
- Mark Hunt
On Jiu jitsu, the ones i always liked to watch:
- Rickson Gracie
- Royler Gracie
- Saulo Ribeiro (he have a gym in USA now...this guy was unbeatable for some years)
- Jorge Patino 'Macaco' - With Roberto Godoi, he had one of the most famous JJ gyms in Brazil in the beginning of 00īs
- Fernando 'Margarida' Pontes...If you guys dont know Margarida, you should look for videos of him on youtube...This guy was a 'tsunami' on jiu jitsu ranks here in brazil more or less between 99 and 01...after that he had some personal problems and accidents, but he is trying to regain his fame still...His jiu jitsu was simple awesome, very technical and explosive. He could even loose a fight, it would always be a great show to watch
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For wrestling:
I like Saku
Woogie
Darrel Gholar
Kid
For Jits:
Marcelo
Saulo and Xande
Shinya Aoki
Jacare
JJ Machado
For striking:
Mike Zambidis
Rob Kaman
Judo:
Yoshida
Fedor
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i really like gomi's striking for mma ... too many guys neglect the body
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i just recently started again bjj lessons, but very recreational...i didnt do it for like 8 years...so i cant say its a 'fighting' influence, but my favorite guy was, is and always will be Vitor Belfort...When he got famous it was the 'boom' of MMA and jiu jitsu here in brazil, more or less in 97, after jiu jitsu was gaining more and more fame each year, after UFC was created by the Gracies...Vitor was the beginning of a new type of fighter, more hybrid, technical but still like an animal...very explosive. He was also young, charismatic and a disciple of the 'outside' man in the Gracie family - Carlson Gracie (wich at that time had the best MMA team here...wich some years later became Brazilian Top Team)
While Vitor was very exciting to watch at that time because of his youth and explosiveness, IMO, the guy who is "The Godfather" of modern day mma is Marco Ruas. He was the first guy who could do it all. Today, Fedor has taken it to another level, although I agree with VP about his bottom game being less than stellar.
For tournament BJJ, here are a few of my favorites:
Sergio "Belao" Souza
Roberto "Gordo" Correa
Ricardo De La Riva
Roleta
Mario Sperry
Fabio Gurgel
Leo Vierra
Nino
Pe Da Pano
Margarida
Roger Gracie
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i really like gomi's striking for mma ... too many guys neglect the body
For that same reason I have always been a huge fan of Jens Pulver, the dude has pretty technical boxing skills for MMA and hits pretty hard too, if only he could take a better punch. The Gomi/Pulver fight is still one of my favorite fights to this day even though Jens lost.
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I like Hug because of his devotion to his art,
Tank because of his fearlessness,
and Cro Cop because his facial structure looks like my own.
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I like Hug because of his devotion to his art,
Tank because he thought learning basic submissions and escapes is for pussies
and Cro Cop because his facial structure looks like my own.
fixed :D
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I forgot to mention Severn and Fry for the seventies mustaches. They set a precedent.
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Tank probably could have been pretty good if he bothered to keep up with the times. He should have switched to tough man or Kimbo fights. I still grit my teeth everytime I watch Tank Vs. Fry at the Ultimate Ultimate. That's the closet he ever came to being recognised as a legitimate legend. Guy never dissapointed though, always an exciting match with Tank on the card.
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Jack Dempsey, Jake Lamatta, Ali, Forman, Evander, Marciano, Gatti, Ward, Delahoya, Herns, Sugar ray...and the list goes on and on of the truely GREAT fighters in history...way too many to name.
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bas rutten, jeff monson, mark kerr, mark coleman, randy, don thomas, vitor, randleman,
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For that same reason I have always been a huge fan of Jens Pulver, the dude has pretty technical boxing skills for MMA and hits pretty hard too, if only he could take a better punch. The Gomi/Pulver fight is still one of my favorite fights to this day even though Jens lost.
Jens fight with Dane Agbayani is a clinic. Dane is my boy, but heart alone does not win fights.
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Fabio Gurgel
Leo Vierra
very good remind...Leo Vieira is a 'monster' in JJ also...very technical...
as someone said , Bas Rutten was a lot of fun to watch too...he got to the top of the game pretty fast when he went for MMA, sad that he had to retire so soon
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IRON MIKE TYSON FOREVER....I DUN CARE WAT U PPL THINK
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i hate the people that say ali would beat tyson. in there primes. come on tyson would murder ali.
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a prime tyson would murder any other boxer out there
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but thats boxing ... he would get tapped or GNP'd by many many 185lb+ mma fighters
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If it's about sword fighting: Myamoto musashi.
If it's about movie legends: Bruce Lee.
If it's about boxing: Muhammed Ali.
If it's about today (mma): Fedor Emalianenko (sp)
If it's about K1: difficult to make a decision. :-\
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Yoda
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Jens fight with Dane Agbayani is a clinic. Dane is my boy, but heart alone does not win fights.
His fight with Naoya Uematsu in Shooto was a pretty sweet clinic as well, all hands at that.
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i hate the people that say ali would beat tyson. in there primes. come on tyson would murder ali.
you hate smart people ::)
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Hahahaha. Tyson was overrated. He beat sub-par competition. An old Holyfield schooled him twice.
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Fedor and Aleks, Roy Jones, James Toney(MW days), Shogun, Manny Pacquaio, Floyd Patterson.....
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Hahahaha. Tyson was overrated. He beat sub-par competition. An old Holyfield schooled him twice.
I think holyfield would beat Ali.
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I think holyfield would beat Ali.
um you do realize that ali knocked out Foreman IN HIS PRIME and Holyfield struggled with a 40+ Foreman while Holyfield was IN HIS PRIME right? ???
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Gommi:I like how he sprints
Fedor:Hits hard almost always lands on top when falling, actually good all around fighter.
GSP:Fun to watch also good all around so you never know what kind of fight you will see.
Cro Cop:Awesome kicks and a awesome straight right
Andy Huge:Good kicking and boxing and powerful with both
Nog:How in the world dose he absorb some of the hits he has? I like his ground game and fairly good boxer also.
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I think holyfield would beat Ali.
I think Holyfield would get killed by Ali! In General I think Boxers were much better in the old days than they are now. In fact I would still be a huge boxing fan if the fights and fighters where like the old days.
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um you do realize that ali knocked out Foreman IN HIS PRIME and Holyfield struggled with a 40+ Foreman while Holyfield was IN HIS PRIME right? ???
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holyfield Is the only fighter in history to become the heavyweight champ four separate times,breaking Ali's record of three.not sure what you mean by struggled against forman,Holyfield won by unanimous decision.
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Andy Hug.... One of the greatest ever in my book. I loved to watch him fight..
Bas Rutten... He was a bad ass.
Tyson just because of his knockout power.
BJ Penn when he shows up...
And I guess Remmy Bowjoski (sp.)
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holyfield Is the only fighter in history to become the heavyweight champ four separate times,breaking Ali's record of three.not sure what you mean by struggled against forman,Holyfield won by unanimous decision.
he had held the belt one more time than ali
that means he lost it one more time too :)
yeah he won by unanimous decision but it wasn't an easy fight and FOREMAN WAS ABOUT 20 YEARS OLDER THAN HIS FIGHT WITH ALI
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James West
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um you do realize that ali knocked out Foreman IN HIS PRIME and Holyfield struggled with a 40+ Foreman while Holyfield was IN HIS PRIME right? ???
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Ali didn't really knock out Foreman. He could never ko Foreman. He did not have the power to do that. Foreman just gassed from throwing so many punches. Ali could have pushed him over after that.
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Ali didn't really knock out Foreman. He could never ko Foreman. He did not have the power to do that.
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I still stand by what I wrote. Ali did not hurt Big George. He knocked him down only because he was too tired to stand. Foreman was just too physically exhausted to get up. Ali used a great strategy in that fight. Ali knew he would not be able to hurt him, but he did get in his head and made him use all of his energy early trying to knock his head off.
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I still stand by what I wrote. Ali did not hurt Big George. He knocked him down only because he was too tired to stand. Foreman was just too physically exhausted to get up. Ali used a great strategy in that fight. Ali knew he would not be able to hurt him, but he did get in his head and made him use all of his energy early trying to knock his head off.
While Foreman was certainly tired, he went down because of Ali's punches, not because he was too tired to stand.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gok2z-mWaeM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gok2z-mWaeM)
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Ali didn't really knock out Foreman. He could never ko Foreman. He did not have the power to do that. Foreman just gassed from throwing so many punches. Ali could have pushed him over after that.
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and even if that's true foreman was much younger than and never fell down once 20 years later against a prime holyfield
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I still stand by what I wrote. Ali did not hurt Big George. He knocked him down only because he was too tired to stand. Foreman was just too physically exhausted to get up. Ali used a great strategy in that fight. Ali knew he would not be able to hurt him, but he did get in his head and made him use all of his energy early trying to knock his head off.
So what you are saying is if Ali didn't hit him he would have fallen down anyway since he was so tired. I don't think so. Ali was nailing George in that round and hitting very good. Have you ever seen Ali's fist. He may not have been known to knockout people, but he could. He chose to to wear down opponents with jabs and dancing. Get em tired then attack.
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Josh Barnett- for some reason ive always been a fan of his catch wrestling style of grappling.
Jens Pulver- pretty clean boxing skills and he always brings it, win or lose.
Karo Parysian- sick judo without a gi.
Team Chuteboxe- they all come out throwing and are usually always fun to watch, win or lose.
Randy Couture- he's a good wrestler, but more importantly he's always improving on all aspects of his game (much like his former teammate Matt Lindland), plus he's captain America.
Boxing- James Toney and Rafael Marquez
Alex Gong
"Judo" Gene Labelle
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The sad thing is alot of you list Tyson.My point with holyfield look at the competion he fought,not only did he whoop Tyson twice he also fought,George forman,Larry Holmes, fres oquendo,riddick bowe 3 times,Michael moorer,ray mercer,lennox lewis twice,hasim rahman,Chris Byrd,James toney,and thats just the ones I remember.who'd Tyson fight?I mean I know holyfield did not win all of those fights but at least he stepped into the ring with all the best fighters of his time.
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The sad thing is alot of you list Tyson.My point with holyfield look at the competion he fought,not only did he whoop Tyson twice he also fought,George forman,Larry Holmes, fres oquendo,riddick bowe 3 times,Michael moorer,ray mercer,lennox lewis twice,hasim rahman,Chris Byrd,James toney,and thats just the ones I remember.who'd Tyson fight?I mean I know holyfield did not win all of those fights but at least he stepped into the ring with all the best fighters of his time.
Holyfield fought a washed up Tyson...it was the same person, the same face, but not the same fighter...I dont believe Holyfied would win that before Tyson being in prison...all of that imho off course
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So what you are saying is if Ali didn't hit him he would have fallen down anyway since he was so tired. I don't think so. Ali was nailing George in that round and hitting very good. Have you ever seen Ali's fist. He may not have been known to knockout people, but he could. He chose to to wear down opponents with jabs and dancing. Get em tired then attack.
Havent you heard Big George in a recent book claims that he was drugged. The rumble in the Jungle and good Ol' George gets drugged. He was given water before the fight and told his trainer it tasted funny. He even said he almost spit it out. His trainer denies any drugs in the water. I just saw this bullshit on MSN.com talking about George and this new book..,...
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Holyfield fought a washed up Tyson...it was the same person, the same face, but not the same fighter...I dont believe Holyfied would win that before Tyson being in prison...all of that imho off course
the question is what makes you think that?
tyson had a mystique, not a resume
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Bill "Super Foot" Wallace
Bas Rutten
and Ken Shamrock
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Havent you heard Big George in a recent book claims that he was drugged. The rumble in the Jungle and good Ol' George gets drugged. He was given water before the fight and told his trainer it tasted funny. He even said he almost spit it out. His trainer denies any drugs in the water. I just saw this bullshit on MSN.com talking about George and this new book..,...
I saw that too. I wonder why he would say this now instead of shortly after the fight? Maybe he just needs controversy to promote his book?
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Tyson would never beat Holyfield. Shit, even when they fought Holyfield was already getting older. He was past his prime. Tyson looked good knocking out a bunch of chumps and one blown up cruiserweight. He's the Tank Abbott of boxing...exciting knockouts, but never could beat top competition.
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i hate the people that say ali would beat tyson. in there primes. come on tyson would murder ali.
nope
Tyson didn't face great competition in his prime. Ali was, and is The Greatest.
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I think holyfield would beat Ali.
delete your account
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Bottom line it would be a toss up.I've been watching boxing since I was five years old.Most people that talk about Ali have only seen like 4 or 5 of his fights. I've watched about 25 of them he's a great fighter but also over rated, he lost at least 4 fights that they gave him by decision and no one remembers those fights because everyone wants to hold on to the charisma he had.He fought forman and Frazier.Who else?maybe sonny listen,and ken norton are the other two you could mention.even though norton whooped him.
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I don't know if he would beat Ali, but Holyfield would give him a run for his money.
Ali, Holyfield, Frazier, and Foreman are the best in terms of boxing; I'm not counting charisma.
Lennox Lewis and Tyson are overrated fighters. Lewis looked bad against Klitschko, and he never had any heart. He beat a washed up Tyson.
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Tyson was better when he was younger and wasn't the champ. He was hungry and he wanted the belt and fought harder and was focused for every fight.
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Tyson was better when he was younger and wasn't the champ. He was hungry and he wanted the belt and fought harder and was focused for every fight.
After Cus death, and after Rooney left, he went downhill. No longer patient, no longer throwing devastating body shots. He became a head hunter.
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Tyson was better when he was younger and wasn't the champ. He was hungry and he wanted the belt and fought harder and was focused for every fight.
Before he was champ he was broke and had to focus... if he didnt win he didnt eat.. Tyson wouldnt have made it without his boxing power. If he was to work a normal job he wouldve been a bum. He sucked when he became a champ 1. because of Don King, 2. the parties and the drgus. 3. Don King
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No Teddy Atlas, No Cus, No Kevin Rooney, No chance^^^.