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igf1lr3 should be used before sleep when try to shed fat with out holding lot of water while cutting,,also do not consume carbs only protien when taken before sleep. hypo is not a problem..eat half a banana and wait an hour or 2 before going to sleep,,dose recomended is 60-100mcg depending on lean muscle mass
igf1lr3 will make you hold water anyother way and will blurr your definition and cuts while making your muscles fuller due to water retention,,thats part of the reason you think you grow on it,,its water weight unless taken right,, ...taken before sleep it will help in shedding fat and filling you up during night time,,do not forget ephedrine upon waking up to keep any smoothness away.
testosterone,,eq,,,winstrol,,arimidex or lliquid equivelent or aromasn are recommended products while on
halo should be added later on for final touch
diet matters when working with igf1lr3,,especially when cutting down to 6%
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igf1lr3 should be used before sleep when try to shed fat with out holding lot of water while cutting,,also do not consume carbs only protien when taken before sleep. hypo is not a problem..eat half a banana and wait an hour or 2 before going to sleep,,dose recomended is 60-100mcg depending on lean muscle mass
igf1lr3 will make you hold water anyother way and will blurr your definition and cuts while making your muscles fuller due to water retention,,thats part of the reason you think you grow on it,,its water weight unless taken right,, ...taken before sleep it will help in shedding fat and filling you up during night time,,do not forget ephedrine upon waking up to keep any smoothness away.
testosterone,,eq,,,winstrol,,arimidex or lliquid equivelent or aromasn are recommended products while on
halo should be added later on for final touch
diet matters when working with igf1lr3,,especially when cutting down to 6%
Is this one of those "tips" similar to "no pro I know ever use Jintropin, they get the "good stuff" like humatrope"?
All my athletes use IGF post training localized to the muscle group trained that day AND the day before. I sincerely though this was common knowledge by now.
Learned that from ALR himself; afterall that's how he rebuilt Freeman.
Who has gh15 built lately?
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Learned that from ALR himself and that's how he rebuilt Freeman.
ALR is a huckster and a fool filled with Synthol.
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ALR is a huckster and a fool filled with Synthol.
Prove it.
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Prove it.
Which part? Put up a pic of him and everyone will spot the Synthol.
His books and articles are filled with scientific errors. Too many to list. A typical conman who tries to dazzle his audience with overcomplicated drug info, just to sound smart.
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gh15. Is it ok if one wants to build muscle while drugfree.
This would avoid the chemistry lessons and keep us from shitting our kidneys out in the toilet.
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IGF is worthless.
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Is this one of those "tips" similar to "no pro I know ever use Jintropin, they get the "good stuff" like humatrope"?
All my athletes use IGF post training localized to the muscle group trained that day AND the day before. I sincerely though this was common knowledge by now.
Learned that from ALR himself; afterall that's how he rebuilt Freeman.
Who has gh15 built lately?
no professional bodybuilder im aware of use jin,,sell it ? yes,,tried it and played with it some? yes use it consistenntly? HELL NO,,jin is water retention in its glory,,thats that,,it is usable but lack in many aspects when it comes to purity and handling
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igf like disgusted said is pretty much useless unless used the way i just told you here,,,what i would use igf is to reduce bodyfat,,short term use,,that in the long term may contribute to an increase in muscle fiber but the main reason you should use igf is to take your bodyfat even lower while trying to keep a full look to the muscle,,it will only be achieved if strict diet is at hand and injected as i recommended,,
other ways youll get no where,,any increase of mesurments post igf use will be gone within a month off product because its water retention,,the use of igf should be mainly for bodyfat reduction along with other products,,if used diff than i recommendent here you will have the following look: blauchy,,meaning little redness as in small sweat bumps on the body and blurrr of definition,,if used as i recommended the blauchy look will be avoided in most casees and the water retention will be none due to the timing of injection,,
you use products inorder to improve your look not ruin it,,what matter is what the eye sees,,,and what the eye sees if the product used diff than what i said here is blauchiness and swole,,when you cut and prep,,you dont want to look swole,,this is the last thing you look for
also its not a must and you can do with out
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gh15. Is it ok if one wants to build muscle while drugfree.
This would avoid the chemistry lessons and keep us from shitting our kidneys out in the toilet.
LOL
A guy like gh15 doesn't know how to work with the "natural" trainer. His experience is in gear and its affects.
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LOL
A guy like gh15 doesn't know how to work with the "natural" trainer. His experience is in gear and its affects.
Can you elaborate on what you mean by "affects"
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no professional bodybuilder im aware of use jin,,sell it ? yes,,tried it and played with it some? yes use it consistenntly? HELL NO,,jin is water retention in its glory,,thats that,,it is usable but lack in many aspects when it comes to purity and handling
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igf like disgusted said is pretty much useless unless used the way i just told you here(and i'm a self proclaimed drug king),,,what i would use igf is to reduce bodyfat,,short term use,,that in the long term may contribute to an increase in muscle fiber but the main reason you should use igf is to take your bodyfat even lower while trying to keep a full look to the muscle,,it will only be achieved if strict diet is at hand and injected as i recommended,,
other ways youll get no where,,any increase of mesurments post igf use will be gone within a month off product because its water retention,,the use of igf should be mainly for bodyfat reduction along with other products,,if used diff than i recommendent here you will have the following look: blauchy,,meaning little redness as in small sweat bumps on the body and blurrr of definition,,if used as i recommended the blauchy look will be avoided in most casees and the water retention will be none due to the timing of injection,,
you use products inorder to improve your look not ruin it,,what matter is what the eye sees,,,and what the eye sees if the product used diff than what i said here is blauchiness and swole,,when you cut and prep,,you dont want to look swole,,this is the last thing you look for
also its not a must and you can do with out(as you can most of my advice)
fixed
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gh15. Is it ok if one wants to build muscle while drugfree.
This would avoid the chemistry lessons and keep us from shitting our kidneys out in the toilet.
I answer on gh15's behalf...
If you want to build muscle drugfree, take 300mg testosterone enantate e3d, stacked with 40mg dianabol every day, 8 iu Gh ed and three injections DNP every 4 hours. ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
Seriously, gh15 is totally out of this world....
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gh15, how would you advise a bodybuilder get as big as possible while avoiding the much talked about gh gut.
is gh in fact responsible? or insulin? or a combo?
i'm sure 90's bb's like shawn ray etc took insulin, but never had the gut so i dont think it was that. igf perhaps????
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i think gh gut has more to do with extreme eating in the off season... i would think ALL pros would take as much gh as they could afford goin into a show
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Who is ALR?
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IGF is worthless.
so i've heard... :-\
everyone i know whos' used it...bad.
example on pro stage? Silvio Samuel. Always lean in the abs, but it looks like an alien is in there growing.
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Is this one of those "tips" similar to "no pro I know ever use Jintropin, they get the "good stuff" like humatrope"?
All my athletesBodybuilders use IGF post training localized to the muscle group trained that day AND the day before. I sincerely though this was common knowledge by now.
Learned that from ALR himself; afterall that's how he rebuilt Freeman.
Who has gh15 built lately?
Fixed
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so i've heard... :-\
everyone i know whos' used it...bad.
example on pro stage? Silvio Samuel. Always lean in the abs, but it looks like an alien is in there growing.
I have just never seen anyone gain any muscle mass from it.
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I have just never seen anyone gain any muscle mass from it.
drugs only help 5%, don't you know?
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so i've heard... :-\
everyone i know whos' used it...bad.
example on pro stage? Silvio Samuel. Always lean in the abs, but it looks like an alien is in there growing.
I explained that awhile ago.......insulin sensitivity!
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I have just never seen anyone gain any muscle mass from it.
what about GH
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what about GH
combined with Test it works, by itself not so much.
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combined with Test it works, by itself not so much.
have you tried GH, Father of the Squad?
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have you tried GH, Father of the Squad?
never, just seen people who've used it by itself and it doesn't do shit by itself.
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combined with Test it works, by itself not so much.
I saw a dude transformed like crazy when he added GH to his stack
he is like 43 or 44, unbelievable change in a month
most young guys who takes it, I don't even notice it
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I saw a dude transformed like crazy when he added GH to his stack
he is like 43 or 44, unbelievable change in a month
most young guys who takes it, I don't even notice it
I think that you just answered your own question. ;)
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let me try to clear this up,,
igf should be used for bf% reduction,,that is it when it comes to short term goals,,it should be injected berfore going to sleep while eating half a banana about an hour before going to bed,,ya ya i know you want it post training but im giving you the way to actually decrease your bodyfat% with out holding water weight,,
now as the father said test should be there in anycase,,test should always be there,,its natural to thebody ,,men are more muscular than women because they have more testosterone in them,,
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6-7 mcg of igf = 1 unit of growth,,
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you are not me nor you are ron colman,,you do not need 120mcg you dont look to be 300lb with huge pot prego belly which is a result of excess growth and insulin combined with food,, we do it because this is our job and this is what grows us to be freaky,,everything gets freaky,,that includes the bello and midsection,,this is how pros look now days and that is what you gotta do inorder to get to 260lb of lean muscle mass,,
what you as an amatuer bodybuilder need to do to begin with,,,is to take lower doses,,,to take them every other day or every third day,,doses like 30mcg 40mcg 50mcg,,depending on lean muscle mass,,
30 mcg = almost 6 units of growth,,it is plenty you dont need more and you need to take it EVERY OTHER DAY,,shock your body dont over saturate it,,
the above especially if injected before bed time will do 2 things to you:
1. will lean you out and reduce your bodyfat even farther
2. will bring out your veins and help you get the road map look as in paper thin skin
those are the main pusposes of growth and igf ,,,igf will bring is faster because it is the milk that comes out of the cow,,,only that you dont need to have a cow now when you already have what you needed which was the milk,,
inother words igf has a place in bodybuilding for the massess but you need to know how to use it and growth is not its main purposes,,,it is composition change,,,it is getting bodyfat down while holding to lean muscle mass,, this is part of the tools needed inorder to get the 3 dimention look of quality muscle so talked about,,
it can be donewith out igf and was done this way for years,,,but igf can make it a little easier and faster,,as long as its not being abused,,as in 200lb bodybuilder injecting 120mcg every day,,this! will cause you waterbloat,,,this will cause you side effects,,
you gotta be smart about the way you go with gh and igf,,dont try to put in you 150mcg a day when your body only needs 30mcg,,
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GH15, thanks for the tip.
Questions:
Shoot IM or Sub-Q?
Is there anyway to keep your receptors fresh so it can be used over longer periods?
Would it be okay to use a small amount of slin PWO, or would that defeat the fat burning purpose?
Any tips regarding MGF or pegylated-MGF?
My protocol now has me shooting 75mcg bilaterally post workout in the muscle group worked. Been having mediocre results, looking forward to trying your suggestion.
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im
yes every second day or every third day,,use lower dose,,1000mcg vial should last you 2 months
i wouldnt use slin with it unless you are going to do nationals or that level of competetive bodybuildiing,,even then you can do with out the slin
mgf should be injected to the muscle you want grown and pegmgf will work better because it will have longer life,,as simple as that,,with mgf timing of injection is everythiing ,,with pegmgf you can be play around more when it comes to timing
your protocal for what? igf ? mgf? peg? igf should be injected at 30mcg every other day i would even inject it 2 times a day 15 mcg post training and 15 mcg before sleep,,,or everything before sleep
mgf should be injected at 100-300mcg into the muscle you want grown and go from there,,all depend on lean muscle mass you carry
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do you think that the extras like IGF and the other growth factors are necessary in NPC and IFBB level bb'ing or is the combination of the hormones and small amounts of GH enough, GH?
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igf is growth for younger people who want faster results and dont wanna wait 8 months for the gh to be producing enough igf to start working its magic,,
gh got other benefits but most guys who like those benefits are over 35,,younger guys as in under 35 should do well on igf and see the results in half the time if not less,,some see results as good as gh within 2 months or less,,
in general you can do with only gh aas and fatburners,,igf will make it shorter,,and the rest of the peptides are too new and still out there for final judgment
most people who use gh over igf do it for other benefits the gh gives them,,and the gh is superior and 100 times better in this aspect,,but younger guys dont care they are healthy as a horse and want the fast 3 dimention look and igf will give it to them if not abused
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im
yes every second day or every third day,,use lower dose,,1000mcg vial should last you 2 months
i wouldnt use slin with it unless you are going to do nationals or that level of competetive bodybuildiing,,even then you can do with out the slin
mgf should be injected to the muscle you want grown and pegmgf will work better because it will have longer life,,as simple as that,,with mgf timing of injection is everythiing ,,with pegmgf you can be play around more when it comes to timing
your protocal for what? igf ? mgf? peg? igf should be injected at 30mcg every other day i would even inject it 2 times a day 15 mcg post training and 15 mcg before sleep,,,or everything before sleep
mgf should be injected at 100-300mcg into the muscle you want grown and go from there,,all depend on lean muscle mass you carry
How do we know the so-called Peg-MGF is even what it is purported to be?? No one is testing the stuff that is sold so it's anyones guess. I have seen some chemists say they doubt there is any "real" Peg-MGF on the market as of now. Patrick Arnold is one who says this. I tend to believe him. Then there is the question as to whether it will work the way the sellers claim. There is zero data on Peg-MGF, there is science on other pegylated peptides but zero on Peg-MGF.
Just a couple of months ago you said there is no real IGF on the market now suddenly there is, what's changed? You said IGTropin was garbage, you really think the other Chinese IGF is of better quality? Who even knows where it's made, by who and to what quality standard, it comes without labels out of China. Zero quality control on it when it is received.
From what I've seen IGF doesn't do much, if anything, at all. Disgusted said the same on promuscle. The only thing I've seen it do is perhaps make you a bit leaner, so I agree with that. In human studies IGF has been used in multi-milligram amounts, why would something like 25mcg do anything noticeable (and the LR3 is probably not much more potent than regular IGF-1 according to research)? It has been way overhyped by those who sell it.
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How do we know the so-called Peg-MGF is even what it is purported to be?? No one is testing the stuff that is sold so it's anyones guess. I have seen some chemists say they doubt there is any "real" Peg-MGF on the market as of now. Patrick Arnold is one who says this. I tend to believe him. Then there is the question as to whether it will work the way the sellers claim. There is zero data on Peg-MGF, there is science on other pegylated peptides but zero on Peg-MGF.
Just a couple of months ago you said there is no real IGF on the market now suddenly there is, what's changed? You said IGTropin was garbage, you really think the other Chinese IGF is of better quality? Who even knows where it's made, by who and to what quality standard, it comes without labels out of China. Zero quality control on it when it is received.
From what I've seen IGF doesn't do much, if anything, at all. Disgusted said the same on promuscle. The only thing I've seen it do is perhaps make you a bit leaner, so I agree with that. In human studies IGF has been used in multi-milligram amounts, why would something like 25mcg do anything noticeable (and the LR3 is probably not much more potent than regular IGF-1 according to research)? It has been way overhyped by those who sell it.
igtropin is crap from my experience with it,,i had time to use some generic igf during this period of time and i found it to be good for bf% reduction,,basically gives you same effect of growth hormone when it comes to bf% only in less than half the time,,ofcourse you need other products in a combo with igf for it to work at 100%
when i said there was no real igf i said it after couple times review of the igtropin that everytime dissapointed and i think it is mainly due to handling of the product,,i doubt gensci actually produced it,,in any case the handling of the product was bad and thus the review,,
when i got the chinease generics for review they all come fresh and helped in bf% reduction and tighting of the physiqe while bring out the veins even more,,i could simply see in the mirror the muscle fibers movements more clear by the week while using the product eod,,similar to growth
the key is to use lowe doses every other day
about the pegmgf and mgf,,try both and see what you like,,its pennies,,nothing like trying it for yourself once and see,,no good no buy,,yes good yes buy
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GH15
What do you think this gay cowboy is on?? Var+efi?
(http://www.manitobaharvest.com/images/upload/jeremyshore2.jpg)
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igf1lr3 should be used before sleep when try to shed fat with out holding lot of water while cutting,,also do not consume carbs only protien when taken before sleep. hypo is not a problem..eat half a banana and wait an hour or 2 before going to sleep,,dose recomended is 60-100mcg depending on lean muscle mass
igf1lr3 will make you hold water anyother way and will blurr your definition and cuts while making your muscles fuller due to water retention,,thats part of the reason you think you grow on it,,its water weight unless taken right,, ...taken before sleep it will help in shedding fat and filling you up during night time,,do not forget ephedrine upon waking up to keep any smoothness away.
testosterone,,eq,,,winstrol,,arimidex or lliquid equivelent or aromasn are recommended products while on
halo should be added later on for final touch
i got a great tip Al, how is my credit?
diet matters when working with igf1lr3,,especially when cutting down to 6%