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Title: Andreas Munzer
Post by: SirTraps on May 19, 2007, 10:50:05 AM
any thoughts on why he was the most shredded human ever ? just a lot of cardio, or what was he doing different ?  ;D

       What was the official cause of his unfortunate demise anyway ?
Title: Re: Andreas Munzer
Post by: the shadow on May 19, 2007, 10:51:42 AM
any thoughts on why he was the most shredded human ever ? just a lot of cardio, or what was he doing different ?  ;D

       What was the official cause of his unfortunate demise anyway ?
heres the official cause of his demise....
http://www.bodybuildingpro.com/andreasmunzercocktail.html
Title: Re: Andreas Munzer
Post by: Mars on May 19, 2007, 10:59:33 AM
He was just a roided pussy with bad genetics for mass.
Title: Re: Andreas Munzer
Post by: SWOLETRAIN on May 19, 2007, 11:00:43 AM
I want to see the juice regimen again
Title: Re: Andreas Munzer
Post by: shiftedShapes on May 19, 2007, 11:06:39 AM
He was just a roided pussy with bad genetics for mass.

he was actually pretty big, you mostly see solo shots of him, but take a look at some comparisons and you will see that he held up well against the bigger guys of that era
Title: Re: Andreas Munzer
Post by: Figo on May 19, 2007, 01:23:02 PM
heres the official cause of his demise....
http://www.bodybuildingpro.com/andreasmunzercocktail.html

This "stack" is based on conjecture due to a list written down with different anabolics and dosages found at his residence subsequent to his demise.

Its a commonly used tactic by dealers to justify having high quantities of gear in their possession when bust.

Title: Re: Andreas Munzer
Post by: Van_Bilderass on May 19, 2007, 01:30:19 PM
He was just a roided pussy with bad genetics for mass.
No, he had insane genetics for bb.
Title: Re: Andreas Munzer
Post by: MAXX on May 19, 2007, 01:30:42 PM
didnt he die from just being extreme with diuretics?
Title: Re: Andreas Munzer
Post by: Mars on May 19, 2007, 01:33:44 PM
Not for nothing he died, he was an idiot for taking so much stuff.
Title: Re: Andreas Munzer
Post by: affeman on May 19, 2007, 01:38:49 PM
Not for nothing he died, he was an idiot for taking so much stuff.
You think he took more stuff than anyone else??
Title: Re: Andreas Munzer
Post by: spinnis on May 19, 2007, 01:51:51 PM

10-9 Weeks before the Competition daily: Ephederine, AN 1, Captagon,
Aspirine, Valium, Clenbuterol

8-6 weeks before the Competition daily: 2 injects Testoviron a 250 mg
1 inject Parabolan
30 tabletts Halotestin
30 tabletts Metandienon
20 IE* STH
20 IE* Insuline

5-3 weeks before the Competition daily: 3 injects Masteron
2 injects Parabolan
30 tabletts Halotestin
50 tabletts Stromba
2 injects Stromba
24 IE* STH

2-1 weeks before the Competition daily: 2 injects Masteron
2 injects Stromba
40 tabletts Halotestin
80 tabletts Stromba
24 IE* STH
Insuline
IGF

A few days before the Competition: Aldactone, Lasik
Title: Re: Andreas Munzer
Post by: JackIt on May 19, 2007, 01:57:44 PM
I think this is total bs! think about the costs of that much juice ^^
The gh alone ,24 uis a day?

I'd like to hear gh15's opinion about this "pro-stack"...
Title: Re: Andreas Munzer
Post by: Dave Czech on May 19, 2007, 01:59:08 PM
shit It wasn't bodybuilder but narcomaniac ; ?? :-X :-X
Title: Re: Andreas Munzer
Post by: CARTEL on May 19, 2007, 01:59:31 PM
I think this is total bs! think about the costs of that much juice ^^
The gh alone ,24 uis a day?

I'd like to hear gh15's opinion about this "pro-stack"...

gh15 will answer your PM. But remember to ask him to keep your name out of his response.
Title: Re: Andreas Munzer
Post by: Weez on May 20, 2007, 12:25:28 AM
didnt he die from just being extreme with diuretics?


Not at all. It was the EPO. His hemocrit level was high, and got even higher (in fact fatally higher), when he travelled in a commercial airliner. He was as they say, "dead man walking", when he "unboarded" the jet. His blood was so thick, and "clotty", that it shut down his organs one by one. RIP..........
Title: Re: Andreas Munzer
Post by: webcake on May 20, 2007, 04:33:51 AM

10-9 Weeks before the Competition daily: Ephederine, AN 1, Captagon,
Aspirine, Valium, Clenbuterol

8-6 weeks before the Competition daily: 2 injects Testoviron a 250 mg
1 inject Parabolan
30 tabletts Halotestin
30 tabletts Metandienon
20 IE* STH
20 IE* Insuline

5-3 weeks before the Competition daily: 3 injects Masteron
2 injects Parabolan
30 tabletts Halotestin
50 tabletts Stromba
2 injects Stromba
24 IE* STH

2-1 weeks before the Competition daily: 2 injects Masteron
2 injects Stromba
40 tabletts Halotestin
80 tabletts Stromba
24 IE* STH
Insuline
IGF

A few days before the Competition: Aldactone, Lasik


If thats true then its no wonder he died, that must have cost him heaps (ultimately it turned out to be his life :() What did he place in the end or did he die before the show finished?
Title: Re: Andreas Munzer
Post by: MAXX on May 20, 2007, 04:39:17 AM

Not at all. It was the EPO. His hemocrit level was high, and got even higher (in fact fatally higher), when he travelled in a commercial airliner. He was as they say, "dead man walking", when he "unboarded" the jet. His blood was so thick, and "clotty", that it shut down his organs one by one. RIP..........
how the hell does EPO help a bodybuilder?

i thought only endurance athletes used that.
Title: Re: Andreas Munzer
Post by: will938 on May 20, 2007, 05:31:40 AM
I think that cycle is exactly what someone said earlier, it was just his way of justifying having so much gear in the house, there is no way he was on that much stuff!!
Title: Re: Andreas Munzer
Post by: the shadow on May 20, 2007, 06:54:28 AM
If thats true then its no wonder he died, that must have cost him heaps (ultimately it turned out to be his life :() What did he place in the end or did he die before the show finished?
munzer placed 6th at the arnold 1996..10 days after this show he died of a liver failure
Title: Re: Andreas Munzer
Post by: karasan on May 20, 2007, 07:03:35 AM
he was actually pretty big, you mostly see solo shots of him, but take a look at some comparisons and you will see that he held up well against the bigger guys of that era

He had good genetics for building ripped mass, he had very very good legs, esspecially quads, and again great triceps.
He was absolutely gifted musclewise, but on the other hand, he had a crap skeleton structure.
He had narrow shoulders and a wide waist. Thats why he could never manage to have a decent taper.
That also goes for Tom Platz, he had narrow shoulders and wide waist...
but when I compare Platz with Münzer, latter had much better muscle structure...
Title: Re: Andreas Munzer
Post by: Mars on May 20, 2007, 07:59:05 AM
If he was so gifted. why would he need that much stuff for?
Title: Re: Andreas Munzer
Post by: karasan on May 20, 2007, 09:49:33 AM
If he was so gifted. why would he need that much stuff for?
Why he used sooo much juice?
Coz he was not sane.
I guess he didn't know the "diminishing returns" factor, nor did he know about risk to benefit factor...
Do you think he needed to take so many drugs to make the gains he made.
He would gained nearly same amount of quality muscle mass with 20 percent of juice he used.
You don't need to be a drug maniac to be ripped, ultra ripped Hamdullah Aykutlug used to be my neighbour, he doesn't do crazy things to be a walking anatomy chart (he just used to smoke pot to control his apetite and to get a dry look on his skin  ;D
You can't build Münzer type quads with all the juice in the world.
If you don't have full muscle bellies and his kind of quadriceps, all the juice in the world can't help...
I didn't say he had the best genetics in the world, skeletal structurewise he was doomed, but he had nice muscle shape and size potential...
Title: Re: Andreas Munzer
Post by: MisterMagoo on May 20, 2007, 09:02:12 PM
he didn't take all that, the guy was a dealer but kept that written on a slip of paper with him so he could claim all the shit he had in his possession was for personal use. the man undoubtedly loved his diuretics and from what i've heard didn't know the meaning of "cheat meal", but if you believe he actually took all that you're as gullible as any police who would have snagged him.
Title: Re: Andreas Munzer
Post by: honest on May 20, 2007, 09:56:54 PM
the main drug that caused his demise was Cytandren or aminogluthemide, he died from internal bleeding and organ failure that was a direct consequence of his overuse of that drug in particular, as for the stack , doesnt make sense, theres no way he was on 24ius of hgh the week of the show and managed to get to his level of conditioning, even with diuretics you wont drop that amount of water quick enough, and you wouldnt use parabolan that far out and drop it, you would use it the last few weeks only, and stanozyl both injectable and oral at the same time, i dont think so, maybe injectable a few weeks out and then tabs all the way up after dropping the shots, just another internet rumour.
Title: Re: Andreas Munzer
Post by: affy on May 20, 2007, 10:09:09 PM
the main drug that caused his demise was Cytandren or aminogluthemide, he died from internal bleeding and organ failure that was a direct consequence of his overuse of that drug in particular, as for the stack , doesnt make sense, theres no way he was on 24ius of hgh the week of the show and managed to get to his level of conditioning, even with diuretics you wont drop that amount of water quick enough, and you wouldnt use parabolan that far out and drop it, you would use it the last few weeks only, and stanozyl both injectable and oral at the same time, i dont think so, maybe injectable a few weeks out and then tabs all the way up after dropping the shots, just another internet rumour.

lmao what about the 40 tablets of Halo...wtf???
Title: Re: Andreas Munzer
Post by: Matt C on May 20, 2007, 10:23:41 PM
The guy died from drugs, so while it may be ignorant to blindly accept that stack as real without further research, it is also ignorant to assume he wasn't drugged to the bloody tits.  Not to disrespect a dead person or anything, but as I said, he did die from drugs.
Title: Re: Andreas Munzer
Post by: Peptide Wizard on May 20, 2007, 10:26:35 PM
The guy died from drugs, so while it may be ignorant to blindly accept that stack as real without further research, it is also ignorant to assume he wasn't drugged to the bloody tits.  Not to disrespect a dead person or anything, but as I said, he did die from drugs.

"Matt C" your site is very impressive. Great quality of information.

Very "up to date" as well.

You must be proud.
Title: Re: Andreas Munzer
Post by: Matt C on May 20, 2007, 10:41:42 PM
"Matt C" your site is very impressive. Great quality of information.

Very "up to date" as well.

You must be proud.

Thanks...if you are not being sarcastic.  ;D

I try to keep up as well as possible, but it's tough since I'm the only one running the website and I can only do so much - bodybuilding.com has 400 writers but is not nearly 400 times the size.  I think my website is the second largest content based bodybuilding website after bodybuilding.com though.
Title: Re: Andreas Munzer
Post by: Weez on May 21, 2007, 12:45:38 AM
the main drug that caused his demise was Cytandren or aminogluthemide, he died from internal bleeding and organ failure that was a direct consequence of his overuse of that drug in particular, as for the stack , doesnt make sense, theres no way he was on 24ius of hgh the week of the show and managed to get to his level of conditioning, even with diuretics you wont drop that amount of water quick enough, and you wouldnt use parabolan that far out and drop it, you would use it the last few weeks only, and stanozyl both injectable and oral at the same time, i dont think so, maybe injectable a few weeks out and then tabs all the way up after dropping the shots, just another internet rumour.



With all due respect, how can Cytadren cause his stomach lining to give out, or cause his blood to be so viscous. I find it hard to believe that Cytadren had anything to do with this nature of death, with all due respect. If anything, this drug would cause his 'crit level to be low, and not dangerously high like it was at the time of Andreas' very sad death.
Title: Re: Andreas Munzer
Post by: D.L. 5 on May 21, 2007, 01:16:02 AM
i read about his death it one of those bill phillips massive books that cover all supplements and drugs its like an encyclopedia its huge.

the problem with his death and mahomah azziza or whatever his name was ....is this:

they took the diuretics combined with the clenbuterol made them die.

it said something about vital electrolytes being flushed out combined with the clen and water reduction caused the death. it might have mentioned potassium too was a reason cos it was not present...cant remember i read it at a book store. i dont own teh book it was too expensive!
Title: Re: Andreas Munzer
Post by: slaveboy1980 on May 21, 2007, 04:06:05 AM
munzer had severe mental problems.
Title: Re: Andreas Munzer
Post by: Figo on May 21, 2007, 06:50:57 AM
i read about his death it one of those bill phillips massive books that cover all supplements and drugs its like an encyclopedia its huge.

the problem with his death and mahomah azziza or whatever his name was ....is this:

they took the diuretics combined with the clenbuterol made them die.

it said something about vital electrolytes being flushed out combined with the clen and water reduction caused the death. it might have mentioned potassium too was a reason cos it was not present...cant remember i read it at a book store. i dont own teh book it was too expensive!

Saw that yrs ago, does anyone know name of Phillips' book, and where to get?
Title: Re: Andreas Munzer
Post by: Mars on May 21, 2007, 07:12:51 AM
I will put more health into these thread.

(http://de.fishki.net/mypics3/21_podborka_20.jpg)
Title: Re: Andreas Munzer
Post by: 240 is Back on May 21, 2007, 07:49:12 AM
When I get to heaven, I'm going to talk to Munzer and get to the bottom of this.

I be they have some fast ass T1 lines in heaven.  I'll keep my getbig breathren posted, unless you guys get to the crossroads first...
Title: Re: Andreas Munzer
Post by: BayGBM on May 21, 2007, 07:50:18 AM
Damn!! MArs, I also put health fuel..

Wow!  Who is that?  She's got more muscle and better conditioning that most men!  :o
Title: Re: Andreas Munzer
Post by: Monster_Everything on May 21, 2007, 07:51:43 AM
one thing about Andreas Munzer....

He loved bodybuilding to death....

At least he didnt half ass his dosings...if your goin to be on roids you might as well be on all of them
Title: Re: Andreas Munzer
Post by: the shadow on May 21, 2007, 07:51:57 AM
Damn!! MArs, I also put health fuel..
nice boobies :P
Title: Re: Andreas Munzer
Post by: Mars on May 21, 2007, 07:58:28 AM
(http://www.trudyireland.com/02.jpg)

Haha every mens fantasy.
Title: Re: Andreas Munzer
Post by: the shadow on May 21, 2007, 07:59:14 AM
according to google, this beast name is Trudy Ireland..
:-\
Title: Re: Andreas Munzer
Post by: D.L. 5 on May 21, 2007, 09:21:23 AM
she is more muscular than the getbig forum member  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Andreas Munzer
Post by: affy on May 21, 2007, 12:07:03 PM
Damn!! MArs, I also put health fuel..

goddamn i bet she shits out vials of test
Title: Re: Andreas Munzer
Post by: dzulboy on May 21, 2007, 09:55:57 PM
it was the cytadren   cooked his organs


also keep in mind stromba's were like 2 mg's
Title: Re: Andreas Munzer
Post by: Matt C on May 21, 2007, 10:16:51 PM
munzer had severe mental problems.

Psychologically, he was no different than a cocaine junkie.
Title: Re: Andreas Munzer
Post by: D.L. 5 on May 21, 2007, 11:00:42 PM
Saw that yrs ago, does anyone know name of Phillips' book, and where to get?
hey figo,

yeah the book was a lil old but honestly it was a great read problem was it was like 60-70 usd to buy from borders in australia and i was like, screw it i'll save the cash. if i see the book next time i go to borders i'll let u know, it was a great read! very informative.
Title: Re: Andreas Munzer
Post by: Hurricane Beef ! on May 22, 2007, 08:42:22 AM
No, he had insane genetics for bb.

Agreed, Munzer was massive.

The Beef
Title: Re: Andreas Munzer
Post by: Lartinos on March 13, 2023, 07:39:53 PM
What killed this guy?

Have any theories changed?
Title: Re: Andreas Munzer
Post by: Van_Bilderass on March 13, 2023, 10:25:27 PM
What killed this guy?

Have any theories changed?

I just want to say that cycle isn't that crazy today, it really isn't , numerous guys have pushed it much much further. At the time almost no one could believe, I thought the cycle corresponded perfectly to his physique. Compare the Dallas McCarver cycle to this and Munzer was doing peanuts.

The official cause of death was internal bleeding and he had major internal issues. Him dying after a show makes sense, he was in a weakened state. So one organ gives out and it's like a cascade, everything gives out at the same time.

There are guys on this forum who have done more drugs than this, at least individual drugs. Tren at 532 a week. LOL there guys here who have done 1500 and 2000 a week. And 20iu insulin, gotta be kidding 100iu a day is routine these days.
Title: Re: Andreas Munzer
Post by: beakdoctor on March 13, 2023, 10:47:15 PM
I just want to say that cycle isn't that crazy today, it really isn't , numerous guys have pushed it much much further. At the time almost no one could believe, I thought the cycle corresponded perfectly to his physique. Compare the Dallas McCarver cycle to this and Munzer was doing peanuts.

The official cause of death was internal bleeding and he had major internal issues. Him dying after a show makes sense, he was in a weakened state. So one organ gives out and it's like a cascade, everything gives out at the same time.

There are guys on this forum who have done more drugs than this, at least individual drugs. Tren at 532 a week. LOL there guys here who have done 1500 and 2000 a week. And 20iu insulin, gotta be kidding 100iu a day is routine these days.

For one legendary getbigger 6 grams is the sweet spot.

Hmmm maybe that was Bhanks problem. Instead of ragging on him for the 2 grams of gear he was on we should have encouraged him to add another 4 grams.

Back to Andres. I can't remember if it was Jerry Brainum or Wayne Demilia but one of them said they were talking to Munzer about how he got so shredded and Munzer rattled off the drugs he was using and named 3 separate diuretics. And they asked which one he was using and Munzer said 'all of them.' So the guy freaks out he says to Munzer  how dangerous that is and even using one type is dangerous and can be deadly if not managed correctly etc.... he said Munzer was all drugs and no knowledge. His mindset was 'if this works then more works better' but just had no knowledge of what the shit he was taking was doing to his body.
Title: Re: Andreas Munzer
Post by: illuminati on March 13, 2023, 10:59:12 PM
I just want to say that cycle isn't that crazy today, it really isn't , numerous guys have pushed it much much further. At the time almost no one could believe, I thought the cycle corresponded perfectly to his physique. Compare the Dallas McCarver cycle to this and Munzer was doing peanuts.

The official cause of death was internal bleeding and he had major internal issues. Him dying after a show makes sense, he was in a weakened state. So one organ gives out and it's like a cascade, everything gives out at the same time.

There are guys on this forum who have done more drugs than this, at least individual drugs. Tren at 532 a week. LOL there guys here who have done 1500 and 2000 a week. And 20iu insulin, gotta be kidding 100iu a day is routine these days.

1500 - 2000mg tren a week  - Do you know of anyone who took 20+ Shots of Parabolan a week ?
Title: Re: Andreas Munzer
Post by: 20inch calves on March 14, 2023, 10:25:10 AM
1500 - 2000mg tren a week  - Do you know of anyone who took 20+ Shots of Parabolan a week ?


I personally knew a guy..made it to the national scene n never turned pro..he went up to 6 grams of test and 1200mg a tren a week for a short time..I also know he used gh n insulin..but never said how much.  The thing is he went to that level because he every time he didn't win an overall at a show he took more drugs. He ended up tearing muscles (quad while turning with the weight to do overhead tricep extension,,, his bicep and eventually his tricep while inclining 180lb dumbbells) which caused him to retire. Btw he came back yrs later in his 40's and he couldn't win his weight class at a local show
Title: Re: Andreas Munzer
Post by: njflex on March 14, 2023, 10:35:38 AM

I personally knew a guy..made it to the national scene n never turned pro..he went up to 6 grams of test and 1200mg a tren a week for a short time..I also know he used gh n insulin..but never said how much.  The thing is he went to that level because he every time he didn't win an overall at a show he took more drugs. He ended up tearing muscles (quad while turning with the weight to do overhead tricep extension,,, his bicep and eventually his tricep while inclining 180lb dumbbells) which caused him to retire. Btw he came back yrs later in his 40's and he couldn't win his weight class at a local show
I BELIEVE IT...
Title: Re: Andreas Munzer
Post by: BossBoss on March 14, 2023, 11:38:31 AM
Psychologically, he was no different than a cocaine junkie.

Münzer was an addict who used several grams of cocaine per day...

He was also on diuretics regularly between competitions, he used them for guest appearances wich he did constantly the whole year.

The same goes for several other steroids (orals etc.), he took them in high dosages for guest appearances, this was his basic income..
which he used for more cocaine\steroids.
Title: Re: Andreas Munzer
Post by: illuminati on March 14, 2023, 12:49:27 PM
Münzer was a cocaine addict who used several grams per day...

He was also on diuretics regularly between competitions, he used them for guest appearances wich he did constantly the whole year.

The same goes for several other steroids (orals etc.), he took them in high dosages for guest appearances, this was his basic income..
which he used for more cocaine\steroids.

Worked out well for him


Oh wait. !!
Title: Re: Andreas Munzer
Post by: Matt on March 14, 2023, 12:51:34 PM
Münzer was a cocaine addict who used several grams per day...

He was also on diuretics regularly between competitions, he used them for guest appearances wich he did constantly the whole year.

The same goes for several other steroids (orals etc.), he took them in high dosages for guest appearances, this was his basic income..
which he used for more cocaine\steroids.

Munzer used cocaine?
Title: Re: Andreas Munzer
Post by: Deacon Jeschin on March 14, 2023, 01:31:24 PM
What killed this guy?

Have any theories changed?

Covid?
Title: Re: Andreas Munzer
Post by: Royalty on March 14, 2023, 01:45:44 PM
Nasser EL Sonbaty said that Andreas Munzer was the nicest bodybuilder that he had ever met
Title: Re: Andreas Munzer
Post by: Van_Bilderass on March 14, 2023, 03:33:21 PM
1500 - 2000mg tren a week  - Do you know of anyone who took 20+ Shots of Parabolan a week ?

No because it was discontinued in 97 and the dosages weren't pushed tthen like they are today. But you have exact copies easy to come by. It's pretty much like Tren E, hard to tell the difference. It's usually twice as expensive as Tren E because they can only dissolve about 100mg in a ml. Guys tell me it feels milder than Tren E but it's basically because they use less of it.
Title: Re: Andreas Munzer
Post by: Matt on March 14, 2023, 03:37:44 PM
No because it was discontinued in 97 and the dosages weren't pushed tthen like they are today. But you have exact copies easy to come by. It's pretty much like Tren E, hard to tell the difference. It's usually twice as expensive as Tren E because they can only dissolve about 100mg in a ml. Guys tell me it feels milder than Tren E but it's basically because they use less of it.

I just picked up my gear for my upcoming cycle.

A friend of mine asked him to grab him a vial of Tren while I was at it. He's been slow to pick it up, and someone on here said Winstrol will damage my joint, which was what I was planning to run, alongside Test Prop.

Is Winny really so bad? Would Tren be better to run? A friend of mine said it is one of the few types of gear that passes the blood brain barrier, and is not to be messed with.
Title: Re: Andreas Munzer
Post by: Van_Bilderass on March 14, 2023, 03:50:02 PM
I just picked up my gear for my upcoming cycle.

A friend of mine asked him to grab him a vial of Tren while I was at it. He's been slow to pick it up, and someone on here said Winstrol will damage my joint, which was what I was planning to run, alongside Test Prop.

Is Winny really so bad? Would Tren be better to run? A friend of mine said it is one of the few types of gear that passes the blood brain barrier, and is not to be messed with.

It's not because it uniquely passes the BBB, it's that it messes with emotions in a weird way. It makes you disgustingly obsessed with sex, makes you paranoid (girlfriend is cheating on me) and can make you snap in a second and if you don't catch yourself you might end up in some trouble. I used it a lot but I always wondered why I made myself go through this crap but still I did. In the darkness you have moments where you feel like a god. Women can smell this on you, it feels like you are more attractive to them. Maybe it's imaginary, maybe not. If you have a period where you want to have lots of kinky sex this is the drug for you.

Try the Winstrol and see for yourself. I think this is probably mostly imaginary because it's been repeated so much. I never noticed any special joint issues with it. It never made a big impression on me. All the popular orals probably can make you gain as much actual muscle protein at say 50mg. Win, Anavar, Dbol, Drol. I preferred Dbol for the wellbeing and Anadrol for strength.
Title: Re: Andreas Munzer
Post by: Fortress on March 14, 2023, 03:59:12 PM
Eat a burger and call it a day.

The harm some inflict on their bodies is astounding.

But when your health begins to fail, well, you’d do anything to go back and make very different choices.

Munzer was obsessed and clearly of an unreasonable mind.

He committed suicide. Essentially.
Title: Re: Andreas Munzer
Post by: illuminati on March 14, 2023, 04:12:05 PM
Eat a burger and call it a day.

The harm some inflict on their bodies is astounding.

But when your health begins to fail, well, you’d do anything to go back and make very different choices.

Munzer was obsessed and clearly of an unreasonable mind.

He committed suicide. Essentially.


"Munzer was obsessed and clearly of an unreasonable mind 

He committed suicide. Essentially "


Sounds a lot like Mike Mentzer.
Title: Re: Andreas Munzer
Post by: pamith on March 14, 2023, 05:24:53 PM
Munzer used cocaine?
Brutal if true
Title: Re: Andreas Munzer
Post by: pamith on March 14, 2023, 05:37:58 PM
I just picked up my gear for my upcoming cycle.

A friend of mine asked him to grab him a vial of Tren while I was at it. He's been slow to pick it up, and someone on here said Winstrol will damage my joint, which was what I was planning to run, alongside Test Prop.

Is Winny really so bad? Would Tren be better to run? A friend of mine said it is one of the few types of gear that passes the blood brain barrier, and is not to be messed with.
Why not just be natty?
Title: Re: Andreas Munzer
Post by: ThisisOverload on March 14, 2023, 06:24:31 PM
I just picked up my gear for my upcoming cycle.

A friend of mine asked him to grab him a vial of Tren while I was at it. He's been slow to pick it up, and someone on here said Winstrol will damage my joint, which was what I was planning to run, alongside Test Prop.

Is Winny really so bad? Would Tren be better to run? A friend of mine said it is one of the few types of gear that passes the blood brain barrier, and is not to be messed with.

There is no reason to use Tren or Winny unless you plan to compete. If you take Winny take it orally, unless you want an infection. Every person i know who got a bad infection was shooting Winny.

Just use Test, Deca and Dbol.

You only care about strength anyway.
Title: Re: Andreas Munzer
Post by: Lartinos on March 14, 2023, 07:31:41 PM
Test, EQ, and Dbol I think is better than Deca.

Deca gives me similar non androgenic side effects like gyno that Tren does.

Winny was a little tightening of the joints, but being used for a short time can be nice as it also helps against gyno and gives decent strength.

Too long on it would probably wreck my joints, but for a week or two I could handle it when a little bloated.

Title: Re: Andreas Munzer
Post by: Matt on March 14, 2023, 08:34:10 PM
Why not just be natty?

To answer that question, here is a picture of me before and after my little wimpy Anadrol cycle, then another picture of me on cycle, followed my how I look today.

I don't give a shit what anyone says, there is nothing I can do naturally to have that full, pumped look that I have while "ON".

Yes, I could be closer by upping my protein intake, but running good gear will allow a person to maintain a 50% pump 24/7.

While natty, I stay pumped for an hour - with the brunt of it disappearing in 15 minutes.

That being said, I'm not willing to significantly compromise my health. Since I already have the gear, I'll be doing this cycle, but it may be my last.

If I have any firm reason to believe the odd summer cycle will compromise my health significantly, I'll stop forever, but I'm going to give this next cycle a legitimate try.

First, I'll be cutting to about 172, then bulking up to about 187.

Strength is good right now [deadlift = 500, bench press = 350 with a feather touch], but I'll be training for high reps, and think I can get to 187, but a LOT leaner than I was at 205 than I was on my last cycle.

Like I said, if I have good reason to believe this may seriously compromise my health, I won't do it again, but I don't think some Test and a little oral Winny will be that bad. But if it is - this will be my last time.
Title: Re: Andreas Munzer
Post by: bigbychoices on March 15, 2023, 07:30:11 AM
 I am responding about the use of tren and winstrol. First remember EVERYONE can have different side effects so remember that. But Tren does in fact make a man more aggressive for sure. But then again almost every other steroid will at high enough doses. What Tren does in the brain is it does affect your pituatary gland. It increases your prolactin causing  gyno and NO sex drive! ( some guys says it increases theirs but in all honesty maybe at the beginning of the cycle but if you stay on for any length of time without anything to combat the high prolactin you will lose desire for sex) Of course getting the women has more to do with your confidence ( getting bigger and cut etc will give that to you) and women notice a CONFIDENT man. They also notice a man who is an asshole.                                                                                                           
                                                       Now winstrol will in fact dry out the joints and cause havic if you run it long enough without deca. ( deca helps with the joints) but then again deca can increase prolactin just like tren). So uise it cautiously. As far as the infections from injectable winny back in the day there was A LOT of fake winny and they were actually putting armor all in the vials!! Maybe they got some of that. Or some other type of fake winny. I have never heard of anyone getting an infection from good clean winny. Again everyone is different. 
                                                    People on here talk about drug cycles in yesteryear and how people like Lee priest can claim using so little gear. Well if anyone remembers the late great Dan Duchaine always said "steroids work best when you over train" It is true! They were developed to help cancer, burn and muscle wasting patients. So the guys back then over trained and looked awesome!  Guys now days think more drugs lots of drugs more more more and train very little. Also Dan had said that results are good up to 2000 total milligrams a week combined. BUT between 2000 and 5000 not much better for risk to benefit ratio BUT he said the sweet spot was 5000 and up. ( that is for todays bodybuilders that is why they use so much and look like shit because they let the drugs do the work and not train like they should plus the insulin and gh)
                                            And to set the record straight about Mike Mentzer drinking his own urine  during an interview for a muscle mag ( I think muscle media)  He was asked about Mentzer carrying around a jug of his urine. And Dan being Dan ( plus he did NOT like mike) said "I don't know But I think he drinks it".  lol. Dan knew Mike was having kidney issues and he had to piss in a jug all day every so often and return it to the kidney specialist. So hopefully that clears that up. But yes Mentzer did in fact go nuts after Arnold beat him.
.
Title: Re: Andreas Munzer
Post by: Fortress on March 15, 2023, 08:21:44 AM
To answer that question, here is a picture of me before and after my little wimpy Anadrol cycle, then another picture of me on cycle, followed my how I look today.

I don't give a shit what anyone says, there is nothing I can do naturally to have that full, pumped look that I have while "ON".

Yes, I could be closer by upping my protein intake, but running good gear will allow a person to maintain a 50% pump 24/7.

While natty, I stay pumped for an hour - with the brunt of it disappearing in 15 minutes.

That being said, I'm not willing to significantly compromise my health. Since I already have the gear, I'll be doing this cycle, but it may be my last.

If I have any firm reason to believe the odd summer cycle will compromise my health significantly, I'll stop forever, but I'm going to give this next cycle a legitimate try.

First, I'll be cutting to about 172, then bulking up to about 187.

Strength is good right now [deadlift = 500, bench press = 350 with a feather touch], but I'll be training for high reps, and think I can get to 187, but a LOT leaner than I was at 205 than I was on my last cycle.

Like I said, if I have good reason to believe this may seriously compromise my health, I won't do it again, but I don't think some Test and a little oral Winny will be that bad. But if it is - this will be my last time.

That carpet is something else.
Title: Re: Andreas Munzer
Post by: Van_Bilderass on March 15, 2023, 01:18:04 PM
Test, EQ, and Dbol I think is better than Deca.


Question is why EQ at all? There's a reason many guys attempt to megadose it, like 1-3 grams a week on top of everything else. When I was on test or anything at all I never really noticed the addition of EQ. But people are different. EQ
also has the potential side of really nasty panic anxiety which isn't all that rare actually. I'm using a ml of EQ now which I got for free but I wouldn't pay for it.

Some of the biggest guys I know just really blast the hell out of test. One does like 3 grams of test and only periodically adds Parabolan when he really wants to push. The rest are left for precontest.

Tren is the only steroid I can really feel when added on top of other steroids. I can feel it on the psyche and sex drive in a day or two.

Test, Tren, Anadrol, that's my stack of choice if I want to gain as much as possible. Different goals, slightly different stacks and risks. Something like Test and Anavar might be the safest as Anavar has been found to not be much liver toxic. I read about prepubertal boys and girls getting 2.5mg of Anavar for like 6 months and one getting it for 38 months. and there were no short or long time sides, no effect on adult height. But they gained substantiall weight when they were getting it, bigger appetites.
Title: Re: Andreas Munzer
Post by: myosaurus on March 15, 2023, 01:43:39 PM
What killed this guy?

Have any theories changed?


Read it in muscle media first.
It was cytadren that shut down the "fear flight fight" response of cortisol including stoppage of bleeding. He died from internal bleeding and all organs shut down afterwards.
There has been talks that it was a heart attack from diuretic use as well.
I'm guessing both.
Title: Re: Andreas Munzer
Post by: bhank on March 15, 2023, 02:40:05 PM
I am responding about the use of tren and winstrol. First remember EVERYONE can have different side effects so remember that. But Tren does in fact make a man more aggressive for sure. But then again almost every other steroid will at high enough doses. What Tren does in the brain is it does affect your pituatary gland. It increases your prolactin causing  gyno and NO sex drive! ( some guys says it increases theirs but in all honesty maybe at the beginning of the cycle but if you stay on for any length of time without anything to combat the high prolactin you will lose desire for sex) Of course getting the women has more to do with your confidence ( getting bigger and cut etc will give that to you) and women notice a CONFIDENT man. They also notice a man who is an asshole.                                                                                                           
                                                       Now winstrol will in fact dry out the joints and cause havic if you run it long enough without deca. ( deca helps with the joints) but then again deca can increase prolactin just like tren). So uise it cautiously. As far as the infections from injectable winny back in the day there was A LOT of fake winny and they were actually putting armor all in the vials!! Maybe they got some of that. Or some other type of fake winny. I have never heard of anyone getting an infection from good clean winny. Again everyone is different. 
                                                    People on here talk about drug cycles in yesteryear and how people like Lee priest can claim using so little gear. Well if anyone remembers the late great Dan Duchaine always said "steroids work best when you over train" It is true! They were developed to help cancer, burn and muscle wasting patients. So the guys back then over trained and looked awesome!  Guys now days think more drugs lots of drugs more more more and train very little. Also Dan had said that results are good up to 2000 total milligrams a week combined. BUT between 2000 and 5000 not much better for risk to benefit ratio BUT he said the sweet spot was 5000 and up. ( that is for todays bodybuilders that is why they use so much and look like shit because they let the drugs do the work and not train like they should plus the insulin and gh)
                                            And to set the record straight about Mike Mentzer drinking his own urine  during an interview for a muscle mag ( I think muscle media)  He was asked about Mentzer carrying around a jug of his urine. And Dan being Dan ( plus he did NOT like mike) said "I don't know But I think he drinks it".  lol. Dan knew Mike was having kidney issues and he had to piss in a jug all day every so often and return it to the kidney specialist. So hopefully that clears that up. But yes Mentzer did in fact go nuts after Arnold beat him.
.

Duchaine also looked like shit kind of like taking advice from one of these skinny YouTube idiots like Leo or more plates more dates 
Title: Re: Andreas Munzer
Post by: bhank on March 15, 2023, 02:48:07 PM
To answer that question, here is a picture of me before and after my little wimpy Anadrol cycle, then another picture of me on cycle, followed my how I look today.

I don't give a shit what anyone says, there is nothing I can do naturally to have that full, pumped look that I have while "ON".

Yes, I could be closer by upping my protein intake, but running good gear will allow a person to maintain a 50% pump 24/7.

While natty, I stay pumped for an hour - with the brunt of it disappearing in 15 minutes.

That being said, I'm not willing to significantly compromise my health. Since I already have the gear, I'll be doing this cycle, but it may be my last.

If I have any firm reason to believe the odd summer cycle will compromise my health significantly, I'll stop forever, but I'm going to give this next cycle a legitimate try.

First, I'll be cutting to about 172, then bulking up to about 187.

Strength is good right now [deadlift = 500, bench press = 350 with a feather touch], but I'll be training for high reps, and think I can get to 187, but a LOT leaner than I was at 205 than I was on my last cycle.

Like I said, if I have good reason to believe this may seriously compromise my health, I won't do it again, but I don't think some Test and a little oral Winny will be that bad. But if it is - this will be my last time.

Look at your build you want non aromatizing dry lean gainers that take time to recomp your body not mass gainers that will put more water and slop on you. You need to dry and lean out your estrogen is too high your body fat is too high basically while the androgens put size on you they didn’t change your condition fix your condition first you need to recomp and establish a weight you are lean at then bulk from there . Everyone says I am gaining and losing the same 15lbs and laughs but that is the idea to bulk a little then recomp a little and slowly bring the weight up with the condition. Unless you lose the fat first you are never going to be happy bulked up as you then come off and lose the muscle while keeping the fat. That’s what people don’t get androgens can give you size they don’t give you condition and your condition gets worse when you bulk so you need to start lean.
Title: Re: Andreas Munzer
Post by: joswift on March 15, 2023, 02:48:59 PM
Duchaine also looked like shit kind of like taking advice from one of these skinny YouTube idiots like Leo or more plates more dates
yes, we should listen to people like you
Title: Re: Andreas Munzer
Post by: joswift on March 15, 2023, 02:50:19 PM
Look at your build you want non aromatizing dry lean gainers that take time to recomp your body not mass gainers that will put more water and slop on you. You need to dry and lean out your estrogen is too high your body fat is too high basically while the androgens put size on you they didn’t change your condition fix your condition first you need to recomp and establish a weight you are lean at then bulk from there . Everyone says I am gaining and losing the same 15lbs and laughs but that is the idea to bulk a little then recomp a little and slowly bring the weight up with the condition. Unless you lose the fat first you are never going to be happy bulked up as you then come off and lose the muscle while keeping the fat. That’s what people don’t get androgens can give you size they don’t give you condition and your condition gets worse when you bulk so you need to start lean.

you have been in pretty much the same condition for 20 years at 225

the photos you posted dont lie
Title: Re: Andreas Munzer
Post by: bhank on March 15, 2023, 02:57:29 PM
you have been in pretty much the same condition for 20 years at 225

the photos you posted dont lie

I wish I had been in this condition the last 20 years but yes I have been close a few times  but the last few years I have made gains I was in peak form around 2015 then I lost a lot of size then I started gaining it back again

2019

2021

2023
Title: Re: Andreas Munzer
Post by: Scrancer on March 15, 2023, 02:57:55 PM
Look at your build you want non aromatizing dry lean gainers that take time to recomp your body not mass gainers that will put more water and slop on you. You need to dry and lean out your estrogen is too high your body fat is too high basically while the androgens put size on you they didn’t change your condition fix your condition first you need to recomp and establish a weight you are lean at then bulk from there . Everyone says I am gaining and losing the same 15lbs and laughs but that is the idea to bulk a little then recomp a little and slowly bring the weight up with the condition. Unless you lose the fat first you are never going to be happy bulked up as you then come off and lose the muscle while keeping the fat. That’s what people don’t get androgens can give you size they don’t give you condition and your condition gets worse when you bulk so you need to start lean.

fuck off pedo woman beater
Title: Re: Andreas Munzer
Post by: bhank on March 15, 2023, 03:02:56 PM
I would say Jan 2016 was close to my best this was on vacation on Oahu and that’s a real tan. I went over from Maui for a contest to check out the expo with my girlfriend at the time who was I to fitness and I took this one in the Hotel. I remember thinking I was on point but it’s not a back pic so hard to say
Title: Re: Andreas Munzer
Post by: Scrancer on March 15, 2023, 03:04:18 PM
I would say Jan 2016 was close to my best this was on vacation on Oahu and that’s a real tan. I went over from Maui for a contest to check out the expo with my girlfriend at the time who was I to fitness and I took this one in the condo I remember thinking I was on point

only right now matters
ONLY RIGHT NOW MATTERS
WHO THE FUCK SAID THAT?

fucking loser
Title: Re: Andreas Munzer
Post by: wes on March 15, 2023, 03:06:27 PM
There is no reason to use Tren or Winny unless you plan to compete. If you take Winny take it orally, unless you want an infection. Every person i know who got a bad infection was shooting Winny.

Just use Test, Deca and Dbol.

You only care about strength anyway.
I got a serious abcess on my left ass cheek from Winstrol V.....never again.
Title: Re: Andreas Munzer
Post by: Scrancer on March 15, 2023, 03:07:25 PM
I got a serious abcess on my left ass cheek from Winstrol V.....never again.

ONY RIGHT NOW MATTERS
ONE THIRD
SOME NICE FRENCH TOAST
BUT BEFORE I DOOOOOO
Title: Re: Andreas Munzer
Post by: wes on March 15, 2023, 03:08:33 PM
ONY RIGHT NOW MATTERS
ONE THIRD
SOME NICE FRENCH TOAST
BUT BEFORE I DOOOOOO
;D
Title: Re: Andreas Munzer
Post by: wes on March 15, 2023, 03:10:16 PM
How does fuckwit Hanky suddenly wedge himself into a thread about Munzer and posting mega pics as well.

Always the fucking ATTENTION WHORE!

It`s not always about you fuckstick!

GEEZUS!
Title: Re: Andreas Munzer
Post by: bhank on March 15, 2023, 03:13:27 PM
How does fuckwit Hanky suddenly wedge himself into a thread about Munzer and posting mega pics as well.

Always the fucking ATTENTION WHORE!

It`s not always about you fuckstick!

GEEZUS!

I made a post that wasn’t about me and was immediately attacked for my physique and told I have made no gains I don’t get to defend myself from lies when attacked? Stop attacking me with lies and keep it on subject
Title: Re: Andreas Munzer
Post by: wes on March 15, 2023, 03:17:39 PM
I made a post that wasn’t about me and was immediately attacked for my physique and told I have made no gains I don’t get to defend myself from lies when attacked? Stop attacking me with lies and keep it on subject
YOU POSTED 5 PICS IN A ROW.....MUNZER POSTED ZERO PICS.  :)

Now fuck off.
Title: Re: Andreas Munzer
Post by: joswift on March 15, 2023, 03:18:34 PM
I made a post that wasn’t about me and was immediately attacked for my physique and told I have made no gains I don’t get to defend myself from lies when attacked? Stop attacking me with lies and keep it on subject

You dont get to dictate anything here fuckwad

You fuck up every thread with your stupidity
Title: Re: Andreas Munzer
Post by: Van_Bilderass on March 15, 2023, 03:19:17 PM
Look at your build you want non aromatizing dry lean gainers that take time to recomp your body not mass gainers that will put more water and slop on you. You need to dry and lean out your estrogen is too high your body fat is too high basically while the androgens put size on you they didn’t change your condition fix your condition first you need to recomp and establish a weight you are lean at then bulk from there . Everyone says I am gaining and losing the same 15lbs and laughs but that is the idea to bulk a little then recomp a little and slowly bring the weight up with the condition. Unless you lose the fat first you are never going to be happy bulked up as you then come off and lose the muscle while keeping the fat. That’s what people don’t get androgens can give you size they don’t give you condition and your condition gets worse when you bulk so you need to start lean.

The way I see it a little extra water and even high estrogen cause only temporary cosmetic effects. In fact, estrogen is anabolic; good for your CV and is probably lipolytic as well. A bodybuilder can coast into a show on 1.5 grams of test and 150mg of Anadrol with zero estrogen blockers and he can still be the hardest in show. If bodyfat is truly low it doesn't matter much. I've seen it. Sure they may opt for some diuretics to get all water off. I have also seen sloppy bodybuilders on all manner of "hardeners" and antiestrogens and diuretics. Lasix on a fat body = disaster. So I say choose the most effective drugs for you, whether off season or when leaning out.
Title: Re: Andreas Munzer
Post by: bhank on March 15, 2023, 03:30:10 PM
You dont get to dictate anything here fuckwad

You fuck up every thread with your stupidity

You are the one who said I had made no gains so I showed I had made clear gains you are the one who brought my physique into the thread
Title: Re: Andreas Munzer
Post by: Lartinos on March 15, 2023, 07:44:28 PM
How does fuckwit Hanky suddenly wedge himself into a thread about Munzer and posting mega pics as well.

Always the fucking ATTENTION WHORE!

It`s not always about you fuckstick!

GEEZUS!

The thread that really stood out to me was the Covid thread from 2021 where Bhank randomly put a picture of himself into while everyone was speaking about a topic as far from him as possible.

Piece of shit of peace
Title: Re: Andreas Munzer
Post by: illuminati on March 15, 2023, 08:22:13 PM
I made a post that wasn’t about me and was immediately attacked for my physique and told I have made no gains I don’t get to defend myself from lies when attacked? Stop attacking me with lies and keep it on subject

Bianca Butt Plug
You havent made any gains in 25 yrs by your own admission
You still around 220lbs only your Turtle gut has grown / your legs & right side upper body have Atrophied
Zero Gains & Going backwards fast.
Title: Re: Andreas Munzer
Post by: ThisisOverload on March 15, 2023, 08:28:45 PM
You are the one who said I had made no gains so I showed I had made clear gains you are the one who brought my physique into the thread

To be fair there are a good 20 of us telling you that you haven't made any gains in close to 15 years.

Posting pics just makes it worse for you.

Retard.
Title: Re: Andreas Munzer
Post by: Matt on March 15, 2023, 10:39:57 PM
I am responding about the use of tren and winstrol. First remember EVERYONE can have different side effects so remember that. But Tren does in fact make a man more aggressive for sure. But then again almost every other steroid will at high enough doses. What Tren does in the brain is it does affect your pituatary gland. It increases your prolactin causing  gyno and NO sex drive! ( some guys says it increases theirs but in all honesty maybe at the beginning of the cycle but if you stay on for any length of time without anything to combat the high prolactin you will lose desire for sex) Of course getting the women has more to do with your confidence ( getting bigger and cut etc will give that to you) and women notice a CONFIDENT man. They also notice a man who is an asshole.                                                                                                           
                                                       Now winstrol will in fact dry out the joints and cause havic if you run it long enough without deca. ( deca helps with the joints) but then again deca can increase prolactin just like tren). So uise it cautiously. As far as the infections from injectable winny back in the day there was A LOT of fake winny and they were actually putting armor all in the vials!! Maybe they got some of that. Or some other type of fake winny. I have never heard of anyone getting an infection from good clean winny. Again everyone is different. 
                                                    People on here talk about drug cycles in yesteryear and how people like Lee priest can claim using so little gear. Well if anyone remembers the late great Dan Duchaine always said "steroids work best when you over train" It is true! They were developed to help cancer, burn and muscle wasting patients. So the guys back then over trained and looked awesome!  Guys now days think more drugs lots of drugs more more more and train very little. Also Dan had said that results are good up to 2000 total milligrams a week combined. BUT between 2000 and 5000 not much better for risk to benefit ratio BUT he said the sweet spot was 5000 and up. ( that is for todays bodybuilders that is why they use so much and look like shit because they let the drugs do the work and not train like they should plus the insulin and gh)

Thanks bigbychoices.

I'm choose to be small by choices most of the time, because research indicates caloric restriction and low body weight is quite healthy.

Also, being in frigid Northern Ontario, it gets to -40°C [which also = -40°F].

Realistically, since I'm covered up at least five months of the year, I don't mind shifting to strength training and dropping my body weight during that time.

But it was a hoot to be on-cycle last summer, and get the social benefits of looking that way. I want to do that again, even if this summer is the last cycle I ever do [aside from possibly TRT in the future, but time will tell].

Regarding Winny, I have oral Winny tablets, 20mg per tab.

Is there any way to shift training around to save the joints? Assuming I'd rather not throw in more chemicals [Deca].

I was recommending Winny because I wanted something weaker than Anadrol, and a couple of people sort of spooked me into believing it is a serious risk, even at baby doses.

It was without a doubt the strongest gear I ever ran, even though I normally don't run gear. But I'd put it ahead of everything else I tried: Sustanon, Testosterone Enanthate, Dianabol, or Equipoise.

My favourite cycle that didn't spook me from being too strong, but was strong was the last time I injected anything, which was 2006:

- 500mg Test E [weekly].
- 250mg EQ [weekly].
- 20mg~ Dianabol daily [to kickstart].

Although I agree with Van Bilderass that extra gear should be back-loaded on cycles as our bodies adapt to the gear, rather than front-loaded, when our response is highest.

That makes sense to me.

Lastly, don't *need* to run Winstrol. I can pick up something else, and I have always responded well to Dianabol [who doesn't? Lol].

I'm not hear to wreck my joints - and I'm not trying to radically transform my physique. Just get a little bump in my appearance for the summer, and health is my top priority. I'm not trying to Münzer myself.

Any additional tips and suggestions would be appreciated. And let's just say: I'm open to doing less, but would be less likely to add anything, unless I can be very confident.

Last year, I did everything under doctor supervision, and had optimal blood work going in, as well as several other health tests I did.

My goal is to get a boost, but with side effects kept as low as possible. Ideally, make the best gains possible with zero damage. Which may not be possible, and I accept that.
Title: Re: Andreas Munzer
Post by: Matt on March 15, 2023, 10:50:27 PM
That carpet is something else.

That's my living room!

Jk - I train at a gym attached to a hotel, and that back room used to be part of the bar area, for weddings and stuff like that.

Great little gym, but dumbbells only go to 120's, and the handles are a bit shorter, and just don't feel the same as Ivanko dumbbells.

It's like bench pressing with a really skinny bar as opposed to an Olympic bar. It's also hard to use for Circus Dumbbell press, because that bolt keeps sticking into my shoulder.

I may buy my gym 130's and 140's, but the price for dumbbells are ridiculous now. Feels like a ripoff.

Looks like every pair under the 150's are sold out, and they won't even ship to Minnesota for some reason. They are around $2.50 per LB, which is cheaper than I expected, but I have no idea what shipping that much weight would cost.
Title: Re: Andreas Munzer
Post by: Matt on March 15, 2023, 11:31:59 PM
Look at your build you want non aromatizing dry lean gainers that take time to recomp your body not mass gainers that will put more water and slop on you. You need to dry and lean out your estrogen is too high your body fat is too high basically while the androgens put size on you they didn’t change your condition fix your condition first you need to recomp and establish a weight you are lean at then bulk from there . Everyone says I am gaining and losing the same 15lbs and laughs but that is the idea to bulk a little then recomp a little and slowly bring the weight up with the condition. Unless you lose the fat first you are never going to be happy bulked up as you then come off and lose the muscle while keeping the fat. That’s what people don’t get androgens can give you size they don’t give you condition and your condition gets worse when you bulk so you need to start lean.

Thanks B. HANK.

I am reducing to 172-lb first, and want to end somewhere around 185-190 while on the cycle.

It's interesting, because in a tank top, I have the look I'm aiming for, even at 200-lb or more, but as you said, my body fat is higher at that weight, and it shows when I'm shirtless.

I'm not willing to push the chemicals too much to get lean, and I'd be happy as low as under 15% body fat I can get.

Body fat is interesting - a lot of people we see who most people think are 8% body fat are really closer to around 13%. Unfortunately for me, my chest sucks so my look will never be great shirtless [except in the brief window where I am pumped up].

So what I am hoping to achieve is just a good tank top look, while at closer to 190, rather than 205.

Reducing carbohydrates is no issue with me, but I have a hard time hitting a 140g protein intake [roughly 1g protein per 1-lb lean body mass].

The combination of low carbs and reaching my protein targets + the gear, and I think I will look my personal best. There's only so much I'm willing to do at age 41, and I don't intend to push anything so hard as to risk my health or risk an injury. But I do think with some adjustments on top of the gear, I can still produce the best look I've personally ever had, which will be good at my age, since the window is short before Palumboism sets in more [which I believe we all get with age, with only the extent varying from person to person].

Basically, that droopy look our muscles get, is what I call "Palumboism". While steroids make our muscles "look alive", and that look is what I find much harder to achieve without gear, unless we are pumped up.

It's all personal preference, but I happen to like that look of a skinny ectomorph with delts and arms sort of popping off a skinny frame. I also feel like that's what most people notice the most anyway [delts and arms].

Gym Rat pointed out that big pecs don't really look good in clothes anyway. I'm not denying I'm doing this for a very specific look, which is not a balanced bodybuilding look which I don't have the genetics for anyway. I just want to be pretty lean by normal people standards, but with my delts jumping out of my tank top. My biceps are not great, but my triceps grow pretty well, so I'm just aiming to maximize that look. I don't feel people look at the legs and back anyway. Just my personal preference, and my observation from what others notice in a person's physique.
Title: Re: Andreas Munzer
Post by: Matt on March 16, 2023, 12:06:06 AM
I would say Jan 2016 was close to my best this was on vacation on Oahu and that’s a real tan. I went over from Maui for a contest to check out the expo with my girlfriend at the time who was I to fitness and I took this one in the Hotel. I remember thinking I was on point but it’s not a back pic so hard to say

(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=149679.0;attach=1429721;image)

Great physique, B. HANK.

That photo made me realize something:

A good tan really brings out a good physique. No matter what level a person is at, a good tan/colour will make you look better, no matter what level you are at.

A friend of mine has been strongly recommending I get a tan, but I'm worried about skin damage [I burn easily, and don't want to mess it up, so I've been apprehensive]. I've even heard speculation that Lou Ferrigno training in New York for the purpose of pitting him against Arnold in Pumping Iron was why he didn't have a tan which he would have had, had he trained with Arnold at Venice Beach, and it may have impacted the results, as he wasn't tanned,

Do you use a tanning bed, B. Hank? Or do you use a sunless tanner?

It looks a lot better than a pale look, but I'm worried about damaging my skin.
Title: Re: Andreas Munzer
Post by: Matt on March 16, 2023, 01:50:58 AM
only right now matters
ONLY RIGHT NOW MATTERS
WHO THE FUCK SAID THAT?

fucking loser

Good point.

It really depends on the standard we use. I have no problem posting my current shrunken down physique, as that is how I look right now, and I have moved to lower rep training post-cycle, and I know I can gain back the size I lost pretty fast if I focus on that again.

But if we are going to judge the best physiques on Getbig based on any time in the past - this is one of them:

(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=683547.0;attach=1428059;image)
Title: Re: Andreas Munzer
Post by: wes on March 16, 2023, 01:53:38 AM
The thread that really stood out to me was the Covid thread from 2021 where Bhank randomly put a picture of himself into while everyone was speaking about a topic as far from him as possible.

Piece of shit of peace
I don`t recall the thread,but I definitely believe you.  :D
Title: Re: Andreas Munzer
Post by: Van_Bilderass on March 16, 2023, 04:33:05 AM
I feel like the Win and joint aches are a self fulfilling prophesy. If you search for it you will find it. I asked Milos about this and he said he never heard of it, and how many has he coached? I never heard of it IRL either but these guys aren't on bb forums.

I'm not saying it's imaginary 100% but the power of suggestion is strong. Ironically Win was studied as a treatment for arthritis.
Title: Re: Andreas Munzer
Post by: bhank on March 16, 2023, 04:40:14 AM
To be fair there are a good 20 of us telling you that you haven't made any gains in close to 15 years.

Posting pics just makes it worse for you.

Retard.

100 people can say the same lie doesn’t make it true
Title: Re: Andreas Munzer
Post by: bhank on March 16, 2023, 04:44:28 AM
Great physique, B. HANK.

That photo made me realize something:

A good tan really brings out a good physique. No matter what level a person is at, a good tan/colour will make you look better, no matter what level you are at.

A friend of mine has been strongly recommending I get a tan, but I'm worried about skin damage [I burn easily, and don't want to mess it up, so I've been apprehensive]. I've even heard speculation that Lou Ferrigno training in New York for the purpose of pitting him against Arnold in Pumping Iron was why he didn't have a tan which he would have had, had he trained with Arnold at Venice Beach, and it may have impacted the results, as he wasn't tanned,

Do you use a tanning bed, B. Hank? Or do you use a sunless tanner?

It looks a lot better than a pale look, but I'm worried about damaging my skin.

Neither I lived in Hawaii and went kitesurfing everyday
Title: Re: Andreas Munzer
Post by: BB on March 16, 2023, 05:06:12 AM
Duchaine also looked like shit kind of like taking advice from one of these skinny YouTube idiots like Leo or more plates more dates

He arguably had a better physique than you in contest shape -

(https://i.postimg.cc/Kzq3qYgZ/7-Muscle-Media-September-1996-99-page-0001.jpg).

(https://i.postimg.cc/wMkqffrD/7-Muscle-Media-September-1996-95-page-0001.jpg).

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(https://i.postimg.cc/G346XSWR/imageedit-4-2205707517.jpg).

Title: Re: Andreas Munzer
Post by: bigbychoices on March 16, 2023, 07:34:26 AM
   In response to the guy with the attitude about Dan Duchaine ( saying he looked like shit)  Well Dan tried to be a bodybuilder. He realized he had shit for genetics and became the original guru.  He was almost a genius. He was living on his own at 16 . He convinced a judge he was mature enough. He invented designer whey protein. He pretty much brought the use of steroids to the masses with his underground handbook. He also invented a new type of bicycle. He discovered dnp. He brought a lot of  the drugs we use nowdays to the masses. A lot of the things out there nowdays will have its roots going back to Dan in some way. Not all but a lot. He knew he could never be a great bodybuilder so he turned his attention to  other things. He was smart enough to know that he would never get huge no matter what and how much he took. So go ahead and make fun of him if you want but I am betting he was built way better than you ever were.  Even now being six feet under he is still bigger than you.
Title: Re: Andreas Munzer
Post by: Van_Bilderass on March 16, 2023, 07:43:23 AM



A friend of mine has been strongly recommending I get a tan, but I'm worried about skin damage [I burn easily, and don't want to mess it up, so I've been apprehensive]. I've even heard speculation that Lou Ferrigno training in New York for the purpose of pitting him against Arnold in Pumping Iron was why he didn't have a tan which he would have had, had he trained with Arnold at Venice Beach, and it may have impacted the results, as he wasn't tanned,

Do you use a tanning bed, B. Hank? Or do you use a sunless tanner?

It looks a lot better than a pale look, but I'm worried about damaging my skin.

Melanotan for a week  Tan once or twice, dark enough. I used a standing thing where I tanned first for 4 minutes and next time for 6 minutes and I was dark enough. This way there's little damage.
Title: Re: Andreas Munzer
Post by: Van_Bilderass on March 16, 2023, 07:46:01 AM
He invented designer whey protein. He pretty much brought the use of steroids to the masses with his underground handbook. He also invented a new type of bicycle. He discovered dnp. He brought a lot of  the drugs we use nowdays to the masses. 

He told the masses how to homebrew trenbolone cattle pellets and it changed everything.
Title: Re: Andreas Munzer
Post by: Matt on March 16, 2023, 08:11:32 AM
Melanotan for a week  Tan once or twice, dark enough. I used a standing thing where I tanned first for 4 minutes and next time for 6 minutes and I was dark enough. This way there's little damage.

Thanks Van.

How would that tan compare to the tan of B. Hank?

I'm trying to sort of push it, but attempting to reduce health risks as much as possible.

Like what you said about our heart's electricity adapting to caffeine. That's great news. It's nice to get a benefit without risking health.

B. Hank's tan there looks great, but just strikes me as not being good for the skin in the long-run.

Although you answered my question - I'm just curious what I can get away with, LOL.

As you may have noticed, I am extremely pale.
Title: Re: Andreas Munzer
Post by: BossBoss on March 16, 2023, 08:15:20 AM
Melanotan for a week

For a week its Ok but Melanotan also damage the skin and is a risk for skin cancer.
Title: Re: Andreas Munzer
Post by: illuminati on March 16, 2023, 06:43:08 PM
Duchaine also looked like shit kind of like taking advice from one of these skinny YouTube idiots like Leo or more plates more dates

Bianca You really are absolutely fucking imbecilic - Dan was on a completely different
Level of body building / PED Knowledge - he brought so many new ideas to bodybuilding ,
He knew more in his little toe than you in that giant Moai Head of yours .
And he also managed to attain a better physique than you,
He accepted that his physique genetics ( just like your are ) were crap & he wasn't destined for a top built physique
As you definitely are not .
Title: Re: Andreas Munzer
Post by: bhank on March 17, 2023, 05:45:34 AM
   In response to the guy with the attitude about Dan Duchaine ( saying he looked like shit)  Well Dan tried to be a bodybuilder. He realized he had shit for genetics and became the original guru.  He was almost a genius. He was living on his own at 16 . He convinced a judge he was mature enough. He invented designer whey protein. He pretty much brought the use of steroids to the masses with his underground handbook. He also invented a new type of bicycle. He discovered dnp. He brought a lot of  the drugs we use nowdays to the masses. A lot of the things out there nowdays will have its roots going back to Dan in some way. Not all but a lot. He knew he could never be a great bodybuilder so he turned his attention to  other things. He was smart enough to know that he would never get huge no matter what and how much he took. So go ahead and make fun of him if you want but I am betting he was built way better than you ever were.  Even now being six feet under he is still bigger than you.

Rule #1 first thing I learned don’t listen to anyone who doesn’t represent with their physique that applies to Dan as well
Title: Re: Andreas Munzer
Post by: bhank on March 17, 2023, 05:47:34 AM
He arguably had a better physique than you in contest shape -

(https://i.postimg.cc/Kzq3qYgZ/7-Muscle-Media-September-1996-99-page-0001.jpg).

(https://i.postimg.cc/wMkqffrD/7-Muscle-Media-September-1996-95-page-0001.jpg).

-----------------------------

(https://i.postimg.cc/G346XSWR/imageedit-4-2205707517.jpg).

He looks like dogshit in that 1981 photo
Title: Re: Andreas Munzer
Post by: tatoo on March 17, 2023, 05:53:47 AM
legit lol.... the hankins sandow... how much?
Title: Re: Andreas Munzer
Post by: illuminati on March 18, 2023, 12:36:27 AM
He looks like dogshit in that 1981 photo

And you look far worse -
If you had an ounce of Sense you'd keep quiet & not post pics of
Your awful physical lack of development.

Bianca You really are absolutely fucking imbecilic - Dan was on a completely different
Level of body building / PED Knowledge - he brought so many new ideas to bodybuilding ,
He knew more in his little toe than you in that giant Moai Head of yours .
And he also managed to attain a better physique than you,
He accepted that his physique genetics ( just like your are ) were crap & he wasn't destined for a top built physique
As you definitely are not .



Title: Re: Andreas Munzer
Post by: Humble Narcissist on March 18, 2023, 01:02:37 AM
He looks like dogshit in that 1981 photo
Especially with all the gear he was using. Did he train at all?