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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: mrsirjojo on May 22, 2007, 12:28:03 PM
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Can we all agree that...
1) Bodybuilding is intentionally kept small time because the fat cats like the Weiders understand it must remain an underground sport in order to continue lining their own pockets? If it were to get too big, it would force the hand of law enforcement, even Congress (as we have seen) to intervene. The effort to make it an Olympic sport is thus a weak facade that isn't believed for a minute by anyone of reasonable intellect. As it is now, people like the Weiders and their small cadre of promoters can always disavow themselves of the drug issue because they can claim they somehow didn't know about it. While this stretches the limits of plausible deniability, it might stand up with enough high powered lawyers and pseudo-science peddling legal supplement manufactures claiming the current pros are natural. Yes, it is also inherently self-limiting because the average person doesn't like the physique of the modern bodybuilder, but behind even that is a collection of smart people running a (comparatively) small operation that flies under the radar of the people whose job is to "protect our children".
Can we also agree that..
2) There is tremendous irony involved when pros call each out for excessive drug usage or Synthol use since there is no guarantee that the current top pros would still be the best of the bunch if no one was allowed to use AAS? Just as the response to training is genetic, so is the response to AAS? Take it away and who's to say many current pros would not be also-rans as natural competitors? When you allow drugs in the mix, you set the scene for a macabre arms race. Yes, a lot of former great BBs are alive and kicking today, but does anyone really think today's champions will enjoy the same longevity?
Finally, can we agree that...
3) If there had been no Bill Gates, there would still be some sort of "Windows" on everyone's computer today, just as there would still be bodybuilding today without Joe Weider? That there is just as much chance he has hurt bodybuilding as we know it today as helped it along? The marathon might be of a different length today had there been no Greco-Persian Wars, but does anyone doubt there wouldn't be some form of long distance running race in the Olympics today regardless? Ask yourself...who are the men who so greatly praise Weider for their success, and who is it that signs their paycheck's?
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Good post... I agree with all 3 points you made.
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Too clever for most at getbig ;)
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Good points.
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Point one is not correct. BB will never be big, nothing to do with weider.
Ponint two - not likely. Modern medicine is reat and improving. Hell, tom prince will probably live longer than any of us.
Point three - who knows and just can't be proven.
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Well thought out and to the point.
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Did you know Zebra's are actually black with white stripes??
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Did you know Zebra's are actually black with white stripes??
That made my head spin...need to sit down, too much truth to handle at one sitting ;D
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What does Erudite mean?
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That made my head spin...need to sit down, too much truth to handle at one sitting ;D
My 7 yr old daughter came home from school one day and told me that. It took my breath away for a minute too. Everything i thought i knew... ???
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Did you know Zebra's are actually black with white stripes??
Absolutely amazing!
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Absolutely amazing!
Geez, i feel bad about stealing another thread. But the truth must be known. :D
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Can we all agree that...
1) Bodybuilding is intentionally kept small time because the fat cats like the Weiders understand it must remain an underground sport in order to continue lining their own pockets? If it were to get too big, it would force the hand of law enforcement, even Congress (as we have seen) to intervene. The effort to make it an Olympic sport is thus a weak facade that isn't believed for a minute by anyone of reasonable intellect. As it is now, people like the Weiders and their small cadre of promoters can always disavow themselves of the drug issue because they can claim they somehow didn't know about it. While this stretches the limits of plausible deniability, it might stand up with enough high powered lawyers and pseudo-science peddling legal supplement manufactures claiming the current pros are natural. Yes, it is also inherently self-limiting because the average person doesn't like the physique of the modern bodybuilder, but behind even that is a collection of smart people running a (comparatively) small operation that flies under the radar of the people whose job is to "protect our children".
No. None of the sports leagues have government involved.
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What does Erudite mean?
you have to BE erudite to know what erudite means. lol!
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erudite means you love hard penises.
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Nothing particularly erudite about the initial post actually. ;)
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erudite means you love hard penises.
Bast = erudite :)
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I still can't get over the zebra thing. All these years ive just blindly assumed that they were white with black stripes. What other bombs am I going to have dropped on my reality today.
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I still can't get over the zebra thing. All these years ive just blindly assumed that they were white with black stripes. What other bombs am I going to have dropped on my reality today.
Well hate to break it to ya.......Tigers?? the same deal!!!! ;D
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If you try telling me that tigers are black with orange stripes, im just going to have a meltdown.
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If you try telling me that tigers are black with orange stripes, im just going to have a meltdown.
I Know. Nothing makes sense anymore. :'(
;D
Im off to the gym ,to make a body thats even funnier than the one i have now.
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Did you know Zebra's are actually black with white stripes??
well they are from the africian region so it makes sense...
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Too clever for most at getbig ;)
What you talkin' bout Willis?
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I bet you are the type of guy who thinks he knows what happend to JFK and to Jimmy Hoffa
real schmuky talk who gives a fuck, I hate paranoid and what if idiots, it is what it is
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at this point in their life's, the Weiders actually exhibit no control or influence on BB.
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I Know. Nothing makes sense anymore. :'(
;D
Im off to the gym ,to make a body thats even funnier than the one i have now.
Haha :)
Funny how your daughter said that. Kids look at things differently. Or maybe she is just a genious.
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Can we agree that I really dont give a f*ck?
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Too clever for most at getbig ;)
Whilst getbig is full of imbeciles the points you make are ones long considered redundant and indeed absolutely plausible by most here. I would disagree with you at some levels.
Bodybuilding is not intentionally kept small, it is small and by that I imply that it is extremely difficult to market. Two reasons. It is boring to the spectator and it is not fake (nor have your best bodybuilders the charisma to pull such ideas off and thus you are without a viable way to "spin" drama into your product ala wrestling).
Absolutely, Weider is sucking bodybuilding for all its worth - but make no mistake Weider could and would have been overthrown by much deeper pockets had there been true potential for bodybuilding as a more mainstream popular spectator "sport". The WBF was a fantastic exposure to the difficulties of selling bodybuilding to the mainstream. At the end of the day it was still boring as shite. Still a guy in a thong standing onstage for too long (as in, too long for a spectator) doing nothing.
I'm not really keen to debate this per se though because all of this, every single little bit of your discussion is an exercise in rehashing the very overdiscussed shortcomings of bodybuilding and nobody here cares anymore.. we literally can't be bothered. Why? Because even the competing athletes can't help themselves.
Few can really truly understand the impossibility of marketing competitive bodybuilding to the spectator - but most can grasp what you're saying.
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Weider made it and kept it gay enough and scandalous enough to keep real money investors from milking his cash cow....
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very clever points