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RUSH: I went to the MoveOn.org website today. You know what they're all up in arms about today? High gas prices. They're sending out an action e-mail to all of their members asking people to sign a petition to get Congress to do something about high gas prices, and Congress is going to do something about high gas prices. Have you heard this? They are going to sue OPEC! They are going to sue OPEC for high gas prices. Why aren't they suing Big Oil, I wonder? The House voted yesterday to allow the government to sue OPEC over oil production quotas. They ought to sue themselves! They're the ones standing in the way of our energy independence.
You know, high gasoline prices, high oil prices today are partially due to the fact that back in the Clinton administration and since the Democrats have prevented any drilling in, say, ANWR or anywhere else for our own supplies of oil. They have all this dramatic talk about alternative fuels and so forth, which is a pipe dream. There's nothing down the road that's anywhere near something that's going to solve whatever problem we have. But I find it interesting they want to sue OPEC and not Big Oil. This is, again, something that will go nowhere.
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RUSH: "The jump in U.S. gasoline prices this year has so far drained consumers of an extra $20 billion, or about $146 for each passenger car in the country, the Government Accountability Office told Congress on Tuesday." That's also known as the GAO. "The national price for regular unleaded gasoline hit a record $3.22 a gallon this week, and is up $1.05 since the beginning of February, according to the Energy Department." Now, get this. "The added expense is taking money away from consumers to spend on other goods and services." Yes, it is. "Spending billions more on gasoline constrains consumers' budgets, leaving less money available for other purchases." Why don't you people think about this on tax cuts, for crying out loud? If you want to cut prices on gasoline, cut the taxes, the state, the city, the feds, whatever else. It adds up to 60 cents a gallon. It's all profit. We've been over this I don't know how many times. Mrs. Clinton said something about doing something to increase the supply, lower the price, I forget what it was, and I'm sitting there thinking, if you are Big Oil and you are a global concern, your market is the world, why in the world would you invest heavily in -- I think this is about refineries, we need to be building more refines -- who's standing in the way of building more refineries? Environmentalist wackos. And who are they aligned with? They're aligned with the Democrats and left. But if you're Big Oil, why would you even consider investing gazillions of dollars in a country that is trying to ban your product? Somebody needs to ask that question besides me.
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RUSH: Mike in northern Wisconsin somewhere you're next on the EIB Network. Hello, sir.
CALLER: Hey, Rush, how's it going?
RUSH: Fine, sir.
CALLER: I got a tanker up here, a gas tanker, and I'm not going to tell you who I drive for --
RUSH: Wait, wait, hold -- time-out, time-out, I want to hear -- you driving the tanker?
CALLER: Yes, I am right now. I'm going to get another load of that precious liquid gold.
RUSH: Yes.
CALLER: (Laughing.) Anyway, what I wanted to say was, I just delivered in a store here, and they were lined up at two stations, the one I was at and one across the street. The prices -- for granted, let's say they're just high, okay, whatever.
RUSH: Right.
CALLER: We can't keep gas in the ground, people are buying it as fast as we can put it in the ground. I don't know if that's a good thing or a bad thing. I'm just telling you it doesn't seem -- if the world is going you know where in a handbasket and everything is going bad, people seem to be buying gas and going on vacations up here and --
RUSH: We know this is true. Your little story here is anecdotal, but we know it's true. There have been surveys. Something came out yesterday that driving went down for a while, on a percentage basis from the previous year. But from what you're describing, people waiting in line for your truck to show up to refill the tanks at the station?
CALLER: There was people there waiting, and I pulled in, and I had to block the road just so I could get in and unload this thing, and we ran all weekend. We had trucks out all week running. Now, if the economy is so bad, how come people keep buying all this gas and the motorcycles and their motor homes and -- somebody's making money somewhere putting this gas in their tanks.
RUSH: You are really shrewd, I have to tell you, and plus you have the benefit of being an eyewitness to this. This notion the economy is in bad shape and that people are fretting over gasoline prices is simply manufactured news, manufactured news from the Democrat Party, and they're trying to compare it to food prices, which it is a necessary. We all have to eat in this country. I had somebody ask me the other day, "Rush, let me ask you a question, you once said, and you're right, that that you go to the grocery store and the profit markup in a grocery store on basic foodstuffs is 1%, grocery stores make their money selling the stuff at the checkout counter and the magazines and the candy and all this sort of stuff and the mops and the spic-and-span, whatever's in there. But on basic foodstuffs, profit margin is 1%, because people have to eat." He said, "Well, why doesn't Big Oil look at it that way. People have to drive to get to the grocery store to eat." I said, "Well, both prices, both profit markups, both businesses are constrained by the market forces in which they operate. People do need gasoline, and that's why they're driving." They're not going to slow down and they're not going to stop going to work and they're not going to get on the light rail train.
We have some of the ugliest light rail trains I have ever seen in my life right down here in West Palm Beach. I don't go over there much, but sometimes I have to get to the airport. You get stopped sometimes, when I come in late from a flight getting home, midnight or one o'clock, that seems to be when these things are moving, and nobody's on them -- wait, no, that's the freight trains. Take it back. These are the transit, the rush hour, little all-day-long light train. They're supposed to be painted to look like Florida blue with the palm trees. They don't look like that. They look ugly. They look like they're unfinished, looks like they bought used train cars and they haven't done anything to them. But the thing I noticed, they're always empty. I scour, I look in the windows, you might see one or two people on a three-car train. They're empty. People don't want to get on these things, and they don't want to get on buses, outside of New York, where this is standard form of transportation, cabs and buses and subways and so forth. But around the rest of the country they want to drive their cars and they're going to and they're going to pay whatever it costs. They might complain but they'll pay it.
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RUSH: Darren in Billings, Montana, I'm glad you waited as we get back to the phones. Welcome to the EIB Network.
CALLER: Hey, Rush, it's great to talk with you. Mostly dittos from Montana.
RUSH: Thank you, sir. Never been there and would love to go.
CALLER: I'd say, we'd love to have you up here sometime.
RUSH: I'll make it at some point.
CALLER: There we go. Hey, the problem with the analogy of the oil company and the grocery store is that the oil companies own the product from the raw stage to the retail stage. And the grocery store is actually the true showcase of the free market, where they're buying products from different places and different manufacturers and wholesalers, whereas the oil companies are controlling it all.
RUSH: So?
CALLER: Well, this is the reason that gas is the price that it is. They're the ones handling that. There is no free market in the oil business.
RUSH: Okay. There's no free market in the oil business? The prices in the oil business are fixed? Democrats in Congress conducted an investigation, I think it was Senate Democrats might have conducted an investigation after Hurricane Katrina to find out if there was price fixing. The Democrats couldn't find any evidence of it.
CALLER: No, I wouldn't say that there's price fixing.
RUSH: Well, if you --
CALLER: I simply don't think that there is the true free market that we see in all the other industries. I don't see any other industry that controls things from raw material to retail sale. I don't think that the supply-demand --
RUSH: Well, then tell me how it is that the prices in this country are lower than they are anywhere else in the world?
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CALLER: I don't have an answer for you right off on that.
RUSH: Well, you know, I've got limited time --
CALLER: I don't know how all the other countries are working.
RUSH: You're a great guy, you're a nice guy. There's no free market in gasoline. Propaganda works on this every time the price starts going up, and I don't get it. I just don't.
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RUSH: When you get otherwise intelligent people saying there's no free market in the price of gasoline, after all of the countless years of detailed attention paid to the subject, the painstaking research, the patient presentation of facts by me, I often throw up my hands. Let me try, because I know that the gas price is one of these things that when it comes up, it goes up, people think that there's some suspicious or conspiratorial reason behind it, they just cannot accept the fact that the free market works in gasoline. So let me ask a question. Or let me ask many questions. Let us speak of many answers. How many oil companies are there that sell gasoline in the United States of America? How many are there? Take a wild guess. I don't even know the answer, but it doesn't matter because there's more than one. If you don't think they are competing with each other, then you don't know the world. ExxonMobil, BP, Shell, and whoever the others are, they compete with one another. That's number one. I realize that some of you might think they all get together and set the price and so forth.
Second thing is, how many companies are there selling gasoline in this country that are not American? Citgo is one, there's Hugo Chavez. British Petroleum. Do you think that ExxonMobil and BP and the rest are getting together with Hugo to set prices in the United States? Remember, now, these people are the world market. Now, where does this oil come from? Gasoline is oil first and there are a bunch of different places it comes from. All over the world. Comes from Canada. In fact, that's the number one country we get oil from. That's our number one importer. Saudi Arabia, Venezuela, Russia. The oil companies do not own this oil as it is. I don't know if you've noticed this, but Hugo Chavez just kicked the oil companies out of Venezuela. He's nationalizing everything. He's taken it, screw you, if you want to stay here and run the wells and so forth we can work out a little production deal, but, ha-ha-ha-ha, this stuff belongs to Venezuela because the oil is ours. Same thing happened in Saudi Arabia and Rockefeller got his change before that happened, but same thing happened there, basically. "We don't need you anymore."
So tell me how it is that oil, which starts the whole price timeline, coming from so many different places in the world, ends up as refined gasoline with no free market determining the price in this country. I want to know how this is possible. I want to know how it is that BP, ExxonMobil, Citgo, name other companies, the size that are out there -- hell, I don't know -- Conoco's merged with somebody. I want to know how they're getting together with the Russians and with the Saudis and coordinating this. Then I want you to tell me, the guys playing the futures market in oil on the commodities market, I want you to tell me how they are involved in this so that the price is set by one person from the time it comes out of the ground 'til it gets to your car as gasoline, the idea that that's true is false. All these companies compete with one another at the retail level, they are competing with each other to find oil all over the world. We have to buy oil from all these different countries, and we have to refine it here. All of these aspects have market circumstances that rein in the desire for people to charge more than what they can get for it. Then you've got the stockholders of these publicly traded companies who are demanding profits as big as they can be. They're publicly traded companies and if the managers of these companies don't get as big a profit as they could or if they get too little a profit, there's going to be hell to pay from the shareholders.
Now, I want to know how in the world anybody can genuinely think that the oil companies, who are citizens of the world, own every bit of oil that comes out of the ground and then every bit of the processing before it becomes gasoline, then it becomes gasoline and goes into your tank, I want to know how this happens. This is news to me. And why is it that the Democrats in the Congress are suing OPEC in order to do something about the rising gas prices. Why aren't they suing Big Oil? And how is it that OPEC isn't Big Oil and how is it that Hugo Chavez isn't Big Oil and how is it that Russia isn't Big Oil, and how is it that British Petroleum and ExxonMobil and Conoco or whoever else, how come they are? I'm sitting here mystified by all this. This is not to say that I'm insensitive to the price, but the idea here -- oh, and one more question. Have you heard of a country called China? I'm sure many of you have. We refer to them here lovingly and affectionately as the ChiComs. Well, despite their best efforts over there, they are having an expanding economy. There are now multimillionaires in China and more and more people have access to automobiles that use gasoline, and they are putting a lot of pressure on the worldwide supply of gasoline, and in this country, your friends, the Democrats, are standing in the way of this country finding any more oil on our property; be it Alaska; be it off one of the coasts, they won't let it happen, while at the same time they're talking about energy independence.
So I want to know how it is, at that Big Oil, which earns 30% of its income from operations in the United States, I want to know how it is that Big Oil and all these companies competing with one another somehow control the product around the world from the moment it comes out of the ground. I want to know how they own Saudi Arabia. I want to know how they own Russia. I want to know how they own Iran. I want to know how they own Venezuela. guy, Big Oil -- there's oil coming out of the ground everywhere but here. I want to know this. If you can answer these questions, with all the pressure on the supply, the worldwide supply that the rising Chinese economy is put -- and the Indian economy, by the way, they're going bonkers as well, if you can tell me how Big Oil controls every drop from the time it comes out of the ground until tends up as gasoline in your tank, then I can maybe accept your -- but you can't tell me because it's not possible, because it isn't true, because it doesn't happen.
If you want a shocking statistic, I've forgotten the actual numbers here. Going to have to go back to my website tonight to the archives, I gotta remember the date and find this. Maybe Koko can search for it real quick when he hears what I'm talking about here. I was playing golf with a guy who had just had a conversation with an energy expert and he was passing the story on, secondhand. I didn't hear it from the horse's mouth, but the numbers of people in the world who don't have electricity would stun you. Who don't have running water, stun you. Don't drive, don't have automobile, would stun you. It's a vast, vast majority. If those people ever got -- by the way, you people like flipping on the light switch at home. You like when the air-conditioner works? Where do you think that comes from? They won't let us do nuke power, so it's coal and it's oil. I haven't even scratched the surface of the oil industry here. I haven't even begun to scratch the surface, the costs in finding it, drilling it, bringing it up, transporting it as crude across the oceans and pipelines and so forth.
I literally am amazed that somehow the truth and the facts of the oil business, economics of the oil business, escape people when the economics of most other things are never questioned. Well, I'm not totally mystified. You've got the Democrat Party and the Drive-By Media routinely telling people they're being gouged, and you've got Democrats talk windfall profits taxes and so forth and so on. I'm blue in the face trying to describe to you how much every gallon you buy goes to your state, local, and federal government as total profit. Nobody ever complains and they're talking about raising those taxes, by the way, in the midst of all this, yeah, because, you know what, as the price goes up, some people are buying fewer gallons of gas, and that's less tax money. So the roads may not be repaired, bridges may not be prepared and so forth. So all these people out there wanting you driving these little windmill hybrids. I'll tell you what, if everybody did that, and the consumption of gasoline went down big time, you think the taxes wouldn't go up to make up the loss to the government? It would. This market is so complex, it's like the climate, although it's not nearly as complex as the climate, it is profoundly complex, and to try to control it and corner it is impossible.
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RUSH: I have a little chart from the year 2001 from the Wall Street Journal. The source of this chart is Energy Intelligence Group. It's a chart of oil companies by size of crude production. The largest oil company in the world: Saudi ARAMCO is the number one oil company in the world in 2001, producing 8.3 million barrels of oil a day. Next is the National Iranian Oil Company, NIOC, at 3.77 million barrels of crude a day. The third largest oil company is PEMEX, that's Mexico, 3.56 million barrels, and they just announced a huge find in the in the Gulf of Mexico off of their shores. The fourth largest oil company by crude production -- and this is going to be a small number now given what's recently happened there -- is Venezuela. The company is PDVSA, three million barrels of crude a day, but they've just nationalized a bunch of oil down there, they claim, so they're going to be higher than that. Number five is ExxonMobil at 2.54 million barrels of crude a day. So you got Saudi Arabia at 8.3 million barrels a day. There's ExxonMobil at 2.54. ExxonMobil's market share of the world oil market is 3%. Don't anybody call here again and tell me about Big Oil engaging in price fixing and controlling every bit of the oil from the ground to your tank as gasoline.
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Read the Background Material...
AP: House approves anti-OPEC bill
Reuters: Gas price hikes? cost: $146 a car so far this year
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WTF is "Capitolism"?
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i thought we had the talk about cut n pasting 40,000 words from rush. people just don't read it. summarize it in one BOLD paragraph. let people decide whether they want to read it. That's 10 min of my already busy day. SELL ME on it.
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Surprise, surprise...another "scratch and sniff" from Mr I-one and his drug addict hero.
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You know, high gasoline prices, high oil prices today are partially due to the fact that back in the Clinton administration and since the Democrats have prevented any drilling in, say, ANWR or anywhere else for our own supplies of oil. They have all this dramatic talk about alternative fuels and so forth, which is a pipe dream. There's nothing down the road that's anywhere near something that's going to solve whatever problem we have.
Three questions for you I-One:
1. If alternative fuels are a "pipe dream", why have Bush (finally) started to make room in the budget for investments in it?
2. Why is Bush talking about becoming less dependent on oil, if alternative fuels aren't anything that will solve the problem?
3. How do you know that alternative fuel sources cannot work?
-Hedge
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RUSH:
You know, high gasoline prices, high oil prices today are partially due to the fact that back in the Clinton administration
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Somehow I just knew Rush "the junkie" Limbaugh would blame skyrocketing gas prices on Clinton. ::)
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Higher gas prices are a result of increased world demand, not Bill Clinton. ::)
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Somehow I just knew Rush "the junkie" Limbaugh would blame skyrocketing gas prices on Clinton. ::)
Wait is Mr I now the coach?
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Higher gas prices are a result of them having us by the short and curlies. What are we gonna do about it, not drive?
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Wait is Mr I now the coach?
Yes
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As soon as I saw the Rush quote it wasn't hard to put 2 and 2 together
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When we have Excursions (V 10s), Suburbans, Hummers, Denalis, etc and they are hot sellers, they need to be filled and they cost money to do it. Couple that with just basic dependence at you have a habit that nobody can quit. It's funny, most people I know my age don't even know about the issues with Chavez or what our contractors are doing in terms of securing Middle East oil. When I tell them this they say, "well we should just send in people and take their oil" and these are people that hate Bush and the Middle East.
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Higher gas prices are a result of them having us by the short and curlies. What are we gonna do about it, not drive?
"They" being Bush and his oil executive American friends. Thanks republican party!
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Nice job Mr. Hate.
I see you haven't strayed from your agenda of blaming EVERYTHING on the other party.
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Nice job Mr. Hate.
I see you haven't strayed from your agenda of blaming EVERYTHING on the other party.
You know, I'm beginning to see why you call him Mr. Hate. He truly doesn't see past his nose. He is a true follower.
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When we have Excursions (V 10s), Suburbans, Hummers, Denalis, etc and they are hot sellers, they need to be filled and they cost money to do it. Couple that with just basic dependence at you have a habit that nobody can quit. It's funny, most people I know my age don't even know about the issues with Chavez or what our contractors are doing in terms of securing Middle East oil. When I tell them this they say, "well we should just send in people and take their oil" and these are people that hate Bush and the Middle East.
Of course the majority don't know. Bush hasn't exactly been honest about it.
I dunno why the majority of people can't understand simple supply and demand. It's like that retarded ad on TV where a guy whines about the oil companies, as though them making huge profits over huge world demand is a bad thing. Was anyone complaining when they were losing money? If you want lower prices then don't drive f-150s and suburbans. And gas is still relatively cheap in the US compared to some other countries.
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Nice job Mr. Hate.
I see you haven't strayed from your agenda of blaming EVERYTHING on the other party.
Why didn't you call out laughing sam cardio? You never change do you
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Why didn't you call out laughing sam cardio? You never change do you
Because he's a typical Liberal who passes the buck and believes things that happens is everyone else's fault but their own!
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Because he's a typical Liberal who passes the buck and believes things that happens is everyone else's fault but their own!
Joe, are you learning to paraphrase Rush's ideas? Good job!
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Of course the majority don't know. Bush hasn't exactly been honest about it.
I dunno why the majority of people can't understand simple supply and demand. It's like that retarded ad on TV where a guy whines about the oil companies, as though them making huge profits over huge world demand is a bad thing. Was anyone complaining when they were losing money? If you want lower prices then don't drive f-150s and suburbans. And gas is still relatively cheap in the US compared to some other countries.
It is not a surprise about securing oil and the issues with Venezuela. Most Americans are just idiots and don't look into issues at all. People vote simply on emotions but when it comes to filling up their 10 seater Suburban they don't care what happens.
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Joe, are you learning to paraphrase Rush's ideas? Good job!
Paraphrasing would take some originality.
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Joe, are you learning to paraphrase Rush's ideas? Good job!
Yeah.....OK ::)!
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Because he's a typical Liberal who passes the buck and believes things that happens is everyone else's fault but their own!
You think that everything that happens bad is the Lib's fault so what does that make you? ;D
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Three questions for you I-One:
1. If alternative fuels are a "pipe dream", why have Bush (finally) started to make room in the budget for investments in it?
2. Why is Bush talking about becoming less dependent on oil, if alternative fuels aren't anything that will solve the problem?
3. How do you know that alternative fuel sources cannot work?
-Hedge
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Three questions for you I-One:
1. If alternative fuels are a "pipe dream", why have Bush (finally) started to make room in the budget for investments in it?
2. Why is Bush talking about becoming less dependent on oil, if alternative fuels aren't anything that will solve the problem?
3. How do you know that alternative fuel sources cannot work?
-Hedge
Hedge, don't you realize that I-One only regurgitates Limbaugh with scratch and sniffs errrr copy and posts?
He has NO original thoughts.
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Why didn't you call out laughing sam cardio? You never change do you
I haven't read any of "laughing sam's" posts. Show me where he blames "EVERYTHING" on the other party.
Also, does he advocate the killing of people with different political views than his own?
Did he accuse a board member of lying about being a doctor, serving in Iraq and accuse him of spamming his board with kiddie porn simply because he has a different political opinion than he does?
If "laughing sam" has done those things then I'll be the first one to call him out.
BTW, the fact that you haven't called out Mr. Hate for accusing Enigma of the kiddie porn charges is proof positive that you never change. If Enigma thought the way you think and someone called him out by saying he was lying about being a doctor and serving in Iraq you'd crucify that person. Since Enigma doesn't think like you think you've been mute on Mr. Hate's pathetic accusations. Where is your sense of kinship with a fellow service member, not to mention one that was saving wounded soldiers?
I guess you never change.
Because he's a typical Liberal who passes the buck and believes things that happens is everyone else's fault but their own!
And in the mother of all ironies our resident moron posts another winner.
Hey Mr. Hate, it's rather sad that you could be in your 40's and not be intelligent enough to see the hypocrisy in your posts.
P.S. How's your "Enigma is a kiddie porn spammer, he lied about being a doctor and he never served in Iraq" investigation working out for you? Are you any closer to some actual proof or was that all just hate fueled propaganda? You know, your normal bile.
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Did he accuse a board member of lying about being a doctor, serving in Iraq and accuse him of spamming his board with kiddie porn simply because he has a different political opinion than he does?
Yes, it's seems to be Mr I's M.O.
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I haven't read any of "laughing sam's" posts. Show me where he blames "EVERYTHING" on the other party.
Also, does he advocate the killing of people with different political views than his own?
Did he accuse a board member of lying about being a doctor, serving in Iraq and accuse him of spamming his board with kiddie porn simply because he has a different political opinion than he does?
If "laughing sam" has done those things then I'll be the first one to call him out.
BTW, the fact that you haven't called out Mr. Hate for accusing Enigma of the kiddie porn charges is proof positive that you never change. If Enigma thought the way you think and someone called him out by saying he was lying about being a doctor and serving in Iraq you'd crucify that person. Since Enigma doesn't think like you think you've been mute on Mr. Hate's pathetic accusations. Where is your sense of kinship with a fellow service member, not to mention one that was saving wounded soldiers?
I guess you never change.
And in the mother of all ironies our resident moron posts another winner.
Hey Mr. Hate, it's rather sad that you could be in your 40's and not be intelligent enough to see the hypocrisy in your posts.
P.S. How's your "Enigma is a kiddie porn spammer, he lied about being a doctor and he never served in Iraq" investigation working out for you? Are you any closer to some actual proof or was that all just hate fueled propaganda? You know, your normal bile.
Honestly puss, I didn't know the whole stroy behind this kiddie porn stuff and even though Mr I might be on my "team" I tend to ignore him. Sorry dog, I'll sick him next time.
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What's funny is that Coach posts the thread letting people read and decipher on their own instead of paraphrasing in his own words and he gets crap for it. Cool.
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What's funny is that Coach posts the thread letting people read and decipher on their own instead of paraphrasing in his own words and he gets crap for it. Cool.
Yeah he does..... but that's all he usually does, post some lengthy transcript of oxy-cotton induced gibberish and when it's up to him to come up with some of his own thoughts it's always some kindergarten level lug blaming a stereotype of libs.
So that's why he gets crap for it.
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What's funny is that Coach posts the thread letting people read and decipher on their own instead of paraphrasing in his own words and he gets crap for it. Cool.
Any defense of Mr. Hate in this instance was going to be a weak one but this little ditty was particularly bad. His copy and pastes are lengthy and convoluted transcripts taken from the biggest hypocritical blowhard in the Republican party. Even someone with your political point of view must be able to see that.
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Oz, Cardio...I realize your feelings for Joe but he brings up a controversial figure, posts the transcript and sparks discussion. What's disheartening is that people simply dismiss the transcript because of the source when what they should do (and this is a stretch for most Americans) is read what the person has to say and if they disagree then tear it apart, if not then say why you agree. That would be my challenge to everyone who has a problem with this. If the length is the problem then I would say that you should follow my advice about reading and critiquing and worry about witty comments about Coach second.
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Oz, Cardio...I realize your feelings for Joe but he brings up a controversial figure, posts the transcript and sparks discussion. What's disheartening is that people simply dismiss the transcript because of the source when what they should do (and this is a stretch for most Americans) is read what the person has to say and if they disagree then tear it apart, if not then say why you agree. That would be my challenge to everyone who has a problem with this. If the length is the problem then I would say that you should follow my advice about reading and critiquing and worry about witty comments about Coach second.
He pasted what 2500 words? Don't you think he could have given a summary of it in his own words in maybe 200 words?
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Oz, Cardio...I realize your feelings for Joe but he brings up a controversial figure, posts the transcript and sparks discussion. What's disheartening is that people simply dismiss the transcript because of the source when what they should do (and this is a stretch for most Americans) is read what the person has to say and if they disagree then tear it apart, if not then say why you agree. That would be my challenge to everyone who has a problem with this. If the length is the problem then I would say that you should follow my advice about reading and critiquing and worry about witty comments about Coach second.
I have no problem whatsoever with I-One posting Limbaugh scripts.
In fact, I think there's a value to it.
But I think if he copy and pastes something, he should at least be prepared to discuss and answer the statements in the text he posted?
If either you or I would post a text from someone we thought represented our thoughts, I think both of us would be prepared to answer to inquiries about the statements in that text.
-Hedge
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I have no problem whatsoever with I-One posting Limbaugh scripts.
In fact, I think there's a value to it.
But I think if he copy and pastes something, he should at least be prepared to discuss and answer the statements in the text he posted?
If either you or I would post a text from someone we thought represented our thoughts, I think both of us would be prepared to answer to inquiries about the statements in that text.
-Hedge
I know I would and I am sure you would too. I know Coach is a busy guy with a business that moves all day. I am sure he would love to sit and post longer posts but is short on time. I won't sit here and defend him because he can do that himself, but will only try and give another perspective on the situation. If anyone else wishes to post in a similar fashion, I am sure nobody will trash them for it.
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Oz, Cardio...I realize your feelings for Joe but he brings up a controversial figure, posts the transcript and sparks discussion. What's disheartening is that people simply dismiss the transcript because of the source when what they should do (and this is a stretch for most Americans) is read what the person has to say and if they disagree then tear it apart, if not then say why you agree. That would be my challenge to everyone who has a problem with this. If the length is the problem then I would say that you should follow my advice about reading and critiquing and worry about witty comments about Coach second.
OK, that's a valid point but can you really expect us to read those huge transcripts?
And like it or not Limbaugh rightfully so has very little to no credibility with many many people so posting his transcripts sends up an immediate red flag.
You make a good point though and if it were anyone else besides Mr. Hate or in some circumstances 240 posting CT related stuff I would agree completely.
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Posting a large transcript does not serve this forum well. The goal should be to narrow the topic to the degree necessary to convey the idea.
Nobody has time or wants to read the great american novel just b/c it carries with it a topic sentence that always denigrates liberals or democrats.
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Hello.
I don't mean to take the conversation off course, but tell me what you think of the following statements:
1. Capitalism is based on the supposition (not to be confused with supository) that the earth contains infinite resources;
2. A lot of money in the hands of a lot of people is a good thing; and
3. The free market economy is the perfect equilibrium.
Later.
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Hello.
I don't mean to take the conversation off course, but tell me what you think of the following statements:
1. Capitalism is based on the supposition (not to be confused with supository) that the earth contains infinite resources;
2. A lot of money in the hands of a lot of people is a good thing; and
3. The free market economy is the perfect equilibrium.
Later.
All three sound like oversimplifications.
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All three sound like oversimplifications.
The are indeed, although they are the pillars of what we know as capitalism. It is OBVIOUS that the earth contains FINITE resources, that a lot of money in the hands of a lot of people = inflation, and that the free market economy is the biggest bunch of shit since Jesus' time.
It's all about perception.
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Three questions for you I-One:
1. If alternative fuels are a "pipe dream", why have Bush (finally) started to make room in the budget for investments in it?
Because he has to bend to the will of the people, they want money invested in green energy he has to do something.
2. Why is Bush talking about becoming less dependent on oil, if alternative fuels aren't anything that will solve the problem?
Probably because he has some intentions of drilling in alaska or other places in the us.
3. How do you know that alternative fuel sources cannot work?
Some do it's the scale that matters, our oil consumption is tremendous you can power a car with hydrogen but can you provide it for millions of cars on a day to day basis without interruption?
-Hedge