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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: natural al on May 31, 2007, 04:30:19 AM
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this is an interesting shot, Danny is really, really in shape here and they are both about the same height, Franco's upperbody looks good but Danny's legs are sooooo much better...who wins in your opinion? I honestly don't see how they could justify giving Danny 5th. This is the whole body shot, there's another that's closer up but it doesn't really show the thighs all that well and the difference just stands out so much I thought this one would be better.
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on the other hand. Francos back is much better..
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definetly franco.franco has a real 'thick look' to his body
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on the other hand. Francos back is much better..
I've never seen a back comparison between the 2, if someone has one post it up.
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Hmmmm....I think I'd give Danny the slight edge by looking at that picture.
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franco. best chest on a little guy. great back too.
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Franco had some qualities like density and areas like torso that were outstanding but overall Padilla wins. That he never beat Columbu speaks volume about the "fairness" of some of the contest results and hidden agendas behind the scenes.
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If you could see all comparisions then Franco would own Danny. Franco didn't look his best by a long shot but his conditioning and upperbody were probably the best in the show.
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In that shot Danny takes it. Franco's chest looks great - but his legs are pathetic.
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a couple more shots from that show, note the difference in leg muscularity-I know Franco had a horrible accident involving his knee but should that be taken into account? I don't so.
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If you could see all comparisions then Franco would own Danny. Franco didn't look his best by a long shot but his conditioning and upperbody were probably the best in the show.
Not a chance; Franco never had Padilla's overall size, and had several balance issues that Padilla never did. Columbu's legs were putrid, and arms never balanced against the torso. Better conditioning yes.
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Franco no question, thicker, bigger just as hard, etc.
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Franco no question, thicker, bigger just as hard, etc.
Franco was nowhere near as big AND didn't have Padilla's balance. Better density & leaness.
Much more importantly, he had Joe & Arnold working the strings.
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easy call Franco ofcourse :)
Franco kills him in the backshot in the abshot and chest and calves.
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Franco
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Pic doesn't lie - Franco! Danny looks great but a bit smoother than Franco.
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that's frank zane.
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Danny, based on just seeing them from the front; Franco has better gyno though.
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Franco was nowhere near as big AND didn't have Padilla's balance. Better density & leaness.
Much more importantly, he had Joe & Arnold working the strings.
Nice try ;D
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I'd pick Dannys physique without hesitating.
Not sure if it's the posingtechnique, but Dannys chest looks bigger, but it may be because either his ribcage or that he is pushing it outwards while Franco isn't.
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Nice try ;D
Like many other followers, you've been brainwshed to believe that Columbu was ever really the world's best-built man in an era of Serge Nubret, Sergio Oliva, Bertil Fox, Padilla, etc.
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Padilla easily.
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Padilla easily. Yes Franco had a better back, it was one of the best back then... but that shouldn't overshadow the fact that his legs sucked and balance and symmetry sucked (arms WAY too small for his body). So bad, that even though he had some leg size, they looked as soft as ever. Figuratively, I would consider him the Stubbs of the golden era without arms. He got a gift... just like Arnold at the 80 Olympia. Im sure that the fact that he was friends with Arnold and one of good ole uncle Joe's golden boys helped a little... ::)
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Franco, but Padilla is damn good too.
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That he never beat Columbu speaks volume about the "fairness" of some of the contest results and hidden agendas behind the scenes.
Well, Arnold Schwarzenegger was the promoter. :-X
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Padilla was even better than Shawn Ray.
(http://ironage.us/Ironage_Scans/Danny-Padilla.jpg)
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Padilla 1st. Franco 2nd. Franco's right nipple should have taken 6th at least.
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Danny looks better overall and Franco should have been marked down for his gyno.
Admit it, Franco won in 81 because of his association with Arnold, just as Arnold won in 1980, because of his association with Uncle Joe Weider.
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Jesus christ, Danny of course. Franco was no a complete bodybuilder by any means on stage that day.
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that's frank zane.
you're gay.
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Padilla was even better than Shawn Ray.
(http://ironage.us/Ironage_Scans/Danny-Padilla.jpg)
No
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Padilla the giant killer, ofcourse.
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Padilla was even better than Shawn Ray.
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That is the ideal physique to me.
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Fuckin huge here...
(http://www.dannypadilla.com/photos/DanFlex1small.JPG)
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Jesus christ, Danny of course. Franco was no a complete bodybuilder by any means on stage that day.
No shit Padilla owns him bigtime...
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That is the ideal physique to me.
(http://ironage.us/virtual/leedan.jpg)
(http://www.bodybuild.ru/uploads/posts/1162217611_000019.jpg)
Fuckin huge here...
(http://www.dannypadilla.com/photos/DanFlex1small.JPG)
i have all ways liked that bottom picture,thats what i strive to look like
bench
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Padilla owning Yates and Benny;
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As far as i know, this is Padilla well beyond age 40:
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Admit it, Franco won in 81 because of his association with Arnold, just as Arnold won in 1980, because of his association with Uncle Joe Weider.
Franco was better obviously in '76, but was still never the best BB that year when Oliva, Robinson, Nubret & Padilla were around. Fixed.
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franco has far more development, density, thickness and conditioning in the upper body, everywhere.
padilla annihilates franco in the lower body.
horses for courses.
if you're looking for balance, symmetry and legs - danny.
you want freaky upper body development - franco.
bodybuilding contest - no brainer - danny.
padilla got ripped off, no question.
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danny padilla. no question
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Absolutely insane. Blows the current Mr. O away.
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Padilla interview re: 1981 Olympia rip & subsequent retirement:
Q: Hi Danny. Good to talk to you again. Lets discuss your 1981 Olympia preparation. How long did it take you to prepare for the '81 Olympia.
A: I prepared for the 1981 Olympia for a full year.
Q: How did you qualify to compete at this Olympia and what inspired you to get into such great shape?
A: I came in second in my weight class at a previous Olympia to qualify for the 1981 Olympia. While in California, someone told me that I had never won the show because I was never cut enough . . . this motivated me to compete.
Q: How old were you when you competed at the 1981 Olympia?
A: I was 30 years old.
Q: What did you weigh and what was your body-fat percentage?
A: One week prior to this contest I weighed 157 pounds. On the night of the show I weighed 176. There was no fat to be found anywhere on my body at the '81 Olympia.
Q: In the off-season, prior to this Olympia, what was your body weight, and body-fat percentage, if you can recall this?
A: My body-fat percentage was 16% in the off-season at 178 pounds. I never really get grossly out of shape.
Q: Did you bring any muscle groups up for this contest? Which ones, and by how much?
A: I improved my back muscles and abdominals while bringing my waistline down to 28 inches.
Q: Overall, what improvements did you make for the '81 Olympia?
A: Basically, the overall improvement was a to bring in a complete package. Every muscle and all of the muscle groups could be seen.
Q: What training methods did you use at the time? Also, describe your pre-contest diet at this time.
A: Each body part was trained twice a week. The push-pull system was used the last 10 weeks before the show, three times a week. I went against the rule of low carbs and stayed on 80 grams of protein and consumed all the carbs that I needed (mostly fruits, veggies, brown rice and yogurt). At that point I did not worry about calories. I also jogged three days a week, 5 miles per run. In the last two weeks prior to the show I counted calories: On the first week I took in 1500 calories and on the last week, 1000. Mind you, during the last ten days prior to the show I was too weak to lift weights or do aerobics. I basically worked in the store with my dad and rested as much as I could. The Monday before the contest I weighed exactly 157. On Wednesday I began to double my calories and double my carbs until Saturday.
Q: How did you feel mentally during the weeks leading up to this competition? Were you excited, confident of doing well?
A: I visualized what I wanted to look like before the show and then came up with a plan to achieve that condition. I was excited and confident because Arnold had retired and I figured I had a real chance.
Q: Physically, how did you feel? Did you feel strong and energetic, or depleted and weak?
A: I felt very strong in the beginning of my program but in the last two weeks I was depleted.
Q: Do you think you achieved the best shape of your life for this contest? What did you do differently to achieve this effect.
A: I was in the best shape of my life for the 1981 Olympia, even though the IFBB said I looked too depleted because they had to save face for choosing the wrong winner. If Tom Platz, or Roy Calender, won, I could have accepted it. Although I would have liked it better if I had won. The other show I looked great for was the 1990 Night of the Champions. I was beat by Dorian Yates and Momo Benaziza. I thought that I had the most complete physique at a body weight of 225 pounds, and cut to shreds.
Q: As an athlete, what did you gain from doing well in this Olympia?
A: Well, the only thing I gained was I became world famous. Also, I made the Padilla name famous and it's in the history books of bodybuilding. There were some financial benefits but, unfortunately, when you're five foot two and your eyes ain't blue you don't make the same amount of money as a man over six feet . . . because with the Olympia it's the tallest and biggest man that makes the show.
Q: Who did you train with (if anyone) during the pre-contest phase building up to the 81' Olympia? What other support did you have?
A: I trained with my best friend Larry Baker, an attorney who loved to lift weights. The only other support I had was me, myself and I. Of course, my parents supported me. I received no support from Weider or the magazine (Muscle Builder).
Q: Where did you train (which town and what gym)?
A: I trained at the Rockelle Fitness Centre in Rochester, NY.
Q: Going into the show, did you know who your main competition would be?
A: I had an idea Roy Calender would be tough. Also, I knew that Tom Platz would be tough. At the time I knew that Arnold had two "friends" that were in the contest. That was Franco Columbu, (who had won the Olympia one time already) and another guy from Germany. His name was Jusup Wilcosz.
Q: Who did you see as your biggest threat to winning the Olympia?
A: The biggest threat was Franco, Arnold's training partner.
Q: During the contest, what were some of the moments you remember as being interesting? What was the atmosphere like backstage?
A: I remember Arnold talking to Franco, basically stating that it was going to be tough for him to win the show because of Tom Platz, and myself. I personally think Arnold wanted Franco to drop out, but he stayed anyway and somehow he won the show, the atmosphere was incredible. I remember distinctly, Arnold, Franco and Bill drake pumping up . . . getting Franco ready for the show. I was very confident. I knew I looked incredible, and my friend Larry Baker thought for sure that I won the show. We heard people calling on a pay phone in the back saying that they "didn't think Danny could lose this show".
Q: After the '81 Olympia, were you back in the gym training, or did you take some time off?
A: After the 1981 Olympia, because working out was my first love, even though I was humiliated, I still trained. But I lost my drive for competition.
Q: What were your thoughts on the outcome of the '81 Olympia? Do you think you deserved better, and why?
A: I definitely thought that if I didn't win, I could have at least been second. The crowd was with me. When I was called fifth, half the audience booed and left the auditorium. The fans followed me all the way to my hotel! But the worst part of this show was the network that was filming stopped because of the audience reaction. The other mysterious thing about this show is that there are hardly any photos and absolutely no film of it. Who has ever heard of a Mr. Olympia not being filmed? If anyone does have film or photos, please contact me. The only photos I know of are owned by Joe Weider and Flex magazine and John Balik, the owner of Ironman.
Q: Well, you are obviously very committed to bodybuilding as evidenced by your return to the Masters stage. What are your thoughts on the cancellation of the Masters Olympia this year?
A: I was disappointed that it was cancelled. I was in training and in great shape.
Q: Thank you very much for your time Danny. One last question. Are you determined to compete at the Masters Olympia if it is held again?
A: Hopefully, if my health holds out and they don't cancel the show again. It's obvious that I'd have to compete for "ego" only because the prize money is so bad I can make more by selling newspapers. It is very sad that when a bodybuilder hits his forties or fifties, it's not like the golf masters, they just want you to go away and die somewhere.
http://www.dannypadilla.com/81Olympia.html
Site:http://www.dannypadilla.com/mystory.html
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good read
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Top 5 at the 81` Olympia:
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Some interesting tidbits:
1. Jim Manion is the only judge who picked Padilla to win the whole contest (One point off a perfect score). He also picked him as winning the posedown (an extra point).
2. Domini Certo (a USA judge) had Padilla tied with Hubert Metz (who got 11th) and Johnny Fuller (8th) and Bannout (9th) and Tinnerino (7th). Where was this judge coming from?
3. Manion had Padilla win the "General Assessment" round and the "Free Posing" round, but had Franco win the "Compulsory Posing" round.
4. Winston Roberts and Sven-Ole Thorsen had Dickerson winning the whole thing with a perfect score.
5. Franco Fassi of Italy and Doug Evans of Wales had Columbu winning the whole thing with a perfect score.
6. Dominic Certo had Platz winning with a perfect score.
7. Jacques Blommurt had Roy Callendar winning the whole thing, just one point off a perfect score.
8. The posedown was useless. Everyone gave their posedown point to whomever they had already voted as the winner of all the previous rounds. It changed ZERO places.
Could the judging have been more all over the place?!
1981 Mr. O Judging Sheets for top 6 final score:
1- FRANCO COLUMBU: 296
2- CHRIS DICKERSON: 291
3- TOM PLATZ: 290
4- ROY CALLENDER: 286
5-DANNY PADILLA: 282
6- JUSUP WILKOSZ: 270
THE INTERESTING POINT THAT AFTER THE FIRST ROUND, ALL TOP 3.... COLUMBU, DICKERSON & PLATZ WERE TIED WITH 96 POINTS .....IT SEEM THE JUDGES HAD DIFFICULTLY TRYING TO FIND THE WINNER THAT NIGHT.
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Padilla was even better than Shawn Ray.
(http://ironage.us/Ironage_Scans/Danny-Padilla.jpg)
hmmmmm....
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Alot of those are old pics of Franco... sure, back in the day he was in better shape than Padilla... just not the 81 contest.
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hmmmmm....
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Padilla had better legs - quads more cut, and way better calves, mostly genetic, nothing Shawn could do about that. Padilla also had better lats.
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Damn it Wes, stop posting pics... none of them work! ;D
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Classic example of the unfairness/politics of BB shows. Columbu is a truly arrogant turd, never stops promoting himself or saying how great he was meanwhile here's Padilla clearly outclassing the guy-way ahead in waist size, taper, thighs and arms.
Props to Frank Zane for speaking the truth on Columbu in that PBW interview BTW.
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Classic example of the unfairness/politics of BB shows. Columbu is a truly arrogant turd, never stops promoting himself or saying how great he was meanwhile here's Padilla clearly outclassing the guy-way ahead in waist size, taper, thighs and arms.
Props to Frank Zane for speaking the truth on Columbu in that PBW interview BTW.
Anyone got a link to that interview? I'd love to read it.
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Anyone got a link to that interview? I'd love to read it.
It's a few posts above.. ::)
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I believe Franco was the first one to invent "The Fridge" physique and Jay Cutler is the predecessor, which I disagree.
Jay Cutler is the Mr. Olympia damn it!!! ;D ;D ;D
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Alot of those are old pics of Franco... sure, back in the day he was in better shape than Padilla... just not the 81 contest.
He had an edge on Padilla & almost every bodybuilder except Robinson and Van Den Steen on density & conditioning, but even in '76 condition i think Padilla wins based on better balance, better structure, better overall size. Padilla had one of BB history's best combos of balance, size, shape and aesthetics, unlike Columbu.
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I didn't know the thread was on the 81 Olympia. I thought we were comparing Franco and Danny at there best.
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I believe Franco was the first one to invent "The Fridge" physique and Jay Cutler is the predecessor, which I disagree.
Jay Cutler is the Mr. Olympia damn it!!! ;D ;D ;D
Agreed; i call Yates the Columbu of the 90s. Both with the classic powerlifter torso and arms that aren't big enough, and lacking the classic BB lines and tapers to small joints.
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I didn't know the thread was on the 81 Olympia. I thought we were comparing Franco and Danny at there best.
In that case make sure to include pics.
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the more i look at these shots (including page 1) the more i lean towards franco.
he had so much more size and density that he looks like a man stading next to a boy.
chest, delts, back, abs, intercostals, serratus...the entire upper body just murders paddilla.
paddilla should have done a lot more HEAVY work in the off-season.
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the more i look at these shots (including page 1) the more i lean towards franco.
he had so much more size and density that he looks like a man stading next to a boy.
chest, delts, back, abs, intercostals, serratus...the entire upper body just murders paddilla.
paddilla should have done a lot more HEAVY work in the off-season.
Columbu had better density than most BBs then or since but since Padilla was bigger overall and clearly more balanced and filled in i don't know about having to lift heavier. ???
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I have tremendous respect for both of these guys. Danny is/was a BB. I think it's important to note that Franco comes from a powerlifting background which may give reason to his tremendous thickness in the upper body (delts, traps, chest, back) If I recall correctly Franco had a 485 bench, 750 deadlift, and a 500+ squat– all at a bodyweight of 185 lbs. I see similarity to another powerlifter turned BB, Johnnie Jackson.
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Columbu had better density than most BBs then or since but since Padilla was bigger overall and clearly more balanced and filled in i don't know about having to lift heavier. ???
'Padilla was bigger overall ???'
2 questions:
1. what pics were you looking at?
2. what drugs are you on?
balance, symmetry, proportion - all padilla, agreed, but nigh and day muscle wise.
danny's arms were better simply because he had longer, fuller muscle bellies. nothing franco could do about that, but yes, better arms.
legs - all padilla.
padilla was the better bber, no question.
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If i had to choose, i'd pick Padilla any day.
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Franco was good but Padilla sh*ts all over him.
Danny deserved the 81 O no question about it.
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this is an interesting shot, Danny is really, really in shape here and they are both about the same height, Franco's upperbody looks good but Danny's legs are sooooo much better...who wins in your opinion? I honestly don't see how they could justify giving Danny 5th. This is the whole body shot, there's another that's closer up but it doesn't really show the thighs all that well and the difference just stands out so much I thought this one would be better.
Danny has better aesthetics than Franco in that shot.
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1.Padilla or Platz
3. Callendar
4. Dickerson
5. Columbu
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Danny has better aesthetics than Franco in that shot.
Franco has much more developed gyno on his right nipple.
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what were complete placings?
who got last, etc?
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Padilla's a midget. Shawn Ray smokes him. Not sure how thats even an argument.
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what were complete placings?
who got last, etc?
1 Franco Columbu
2 Chris Dickerson
3 Tom Platz
4 Roy Callendar
5 Danny Padilla
6 Jusup Wilkosz
7 Dennis Tinerino
8 Johnny Fuller
9 Samir Bannout
10 Roger Walker
11 Hubert Metz
12 Carlos Rodriguez
13 Ed Corney
14 Steve Davis (1)
15 Mike Katz
16 Ken Waller
17 Jorma Raty
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One of the most incredible pics EVER.
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1 Franco Columbu
2 Chris Dickerson
3 Tom Platz
4 Roy Callendar
5 Danny Padilla
6 Jusup Wilkosz
7 Dennis Tinerino
8 Johnny Fuller
9 Samir Bannout
10 Roger Walker
11 Hubert Metz
12 Carlos Rodriguez
13 Ed Corney
14 Steve Davis (1)
15 Mike Katz
16 Ken Waller
17 Jorma Raty
ok
quiz question-3 of the above mentioned bb's are deceased. Which 3?