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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: 240 is Back on June 03, 2007, 11:23:42 AM
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If you went to the show, you got a good seat and got to mingle with the pros like Freeman and Wheeler in attendance.
If you stayed home, you got a free webcast at the highest resolution ever, and BBing.com's Will had it uploaded in under 20 minutes for download.
If you were an IFBB pro and competed, you got the 70k payday split.
Now we'll always have the promoters and the political divides attacking each other here, and it's fun to watch. But as a bodybuilding fan, it was a good show that we got for free in high quality. For fans, it was a success.
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i think with the sponsor and 75 peoples max (-free tickets), mc and staff, he's not covering ..........
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to be fair, we have no idea what it was like at the expo.
If the expo was a success then the advertisers were likely quite happy and the show will return.
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For the fans it was great. Good lineup, decent judging and a free webcast that worked pretty good.
For the competitors, if the checks clear, another pay day.
If the attendance was as pathetic as it appears, bad for bodybuildings future.
How can these shows not draw a few thousand people?
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If you went to the show, you got a good seat and got to mingle with the pros like Freeman and Wheeler in attendance.
^ a politically correct way of saying, "there was nobody fuccking there!" ;D
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It was an OK show to watch over the internet. By the time the night show rolled around...the streaming video was working great. The amateur portion was going good until they cut away for large chunks of time. The amateurs were hilarious...where else are you going to see someone pose to the soundtrack of 'Who Shot Liberty Valance?'
And the pro-show was very well done. Dan & Bob did a solid job MCing the show. The line up was very solid.
My only complaints were the length of the show, the ridiculous dance group segments, and the inane announcer who babbled on for 3.5 hours. Otherwise, I was entertained.
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I'm sure they had a good deal with BBing.com, right? With that lineup...
Expo booth rent was probably decent, I am not sure how big that was. And even if the event lost money, fans know that Vyotech and Shawn Ray gave them a top-level competitor show, and there is some goodwill bought with that. When you look at supps this year, you might remember the VYo name, and you'll certainly remember shawn's face from the show poster, and see it on the product.
personally, i would have given some $ out the backdoor for a melvin/ronnie guest posing, and a little payola to have phil heath pretend to plan to do the show, then pull out with a hammy injury. 2500 tickets sold. :P
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For the competitors, if the checks clear, another pay day.
I wonder who will be covering the checks, since it appears the gate receipts can't? ;D
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I have only seen the pics on here of the expo and in NO pic was there more than 5 people or so.
Those people were the janitors, wandering about because there were no messes to clean up and they had nothing else to do.
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You guys can stop making fun of Sean's show!!! >:( It was a packed house. :)
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Success is all relative. It all depends on how you define it. BB.com handed out over 200 samples on Friday within the first 2 hours of the expo being open.
Tom Tewilliger is the worst emcee in the history of bodybuilding shows. He successfully made an idiot of himself and should never receive an emcee job again.
Don't worry Keith, we spotted you peaking in the convention center. When I find the photo, I'll be sure to post it.
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Even the balcony was filled. :o
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Success is all relative. It all depends on how you define it. BB.com handed out over 200 samples on Friday within the first 2 hours of the expo being open.
Translation: Vyotech lost their shorts. ;D
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^ a politically correct way of saying, "there was nobody fuccking there!" ;D
way politically correct
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Tom Twilleger is lucky to be alive...ask him...shady past....
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bodybuilding show and success will never again be featured in the same sentence
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Tom Tewilliger is the worst emcee in the history of bodybuilding shows. He successfully made an idiot of himself and should never receive an emcee job again.
Wow, what did he do? I only caught like the last third of the show, and yes he was annoying, but no moreso than that british chick who MC's the NY shows.
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atleast this barker didn't suggest the sexual orientation of each of the competitors like that old bag did in ny
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Wow, what did he do? I only caught like the last third of the show, and yes he was annoying, but no moreso than that british chick who MC's the NY shows.
He managed to f' up nearly every class in the NPC portion, laugh at his own jokes, mispronounce names, bring out wrong classes, tell dull and boring stories about himself and frankly annoy the piss out of every one in the audience. He was justifiably booed a couple of times.
He is hands down, no question about it, the worst emcee ever to touch a mic.
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He is hands down, no question about it, the worst emcee ever to touch a mic.
Ha I remember him giving out four Rockies tickets to the first person who could name the first Mr. Olympia. The guy who won had to come on stage and give more info about Mr. Scott before he could get them. ha The guy even had to state that Mr. Scott lived in Utah.
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^ a politically correct way of saying, "there was nobody fuccking there!" ;D
Are you saying that more people attended the 2007 Mr. Thunder Bay? :-\
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Are you saying that more people attended the 2007 Mr. Thunder Bay? :-\
If there were more than 100 people at the Mr Thunder Bay, then yes.
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If there were more than 100 people at the Mr Thunder Bay, then yes.
Yep, LOL!!!!!!!!111
Is this your way of saying that the Colorado Pro has been owned? :-\
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Yep, LOL!!!!!!!!111
Is this your way of saying that the Colorado Pro has been owned? :-\
Maybe Shawn should move his show from Denver to Thunder Bay?
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Maybe Shawn should move his show from Denver to Thunder Bay?
haha, yeah maybe! :)
For real, how many people do you suppose attended the show? With a good expo, local advertising, and FACEBOOK, there is no excuse for the Colorado Pro not have a fair turnout.
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haha, yeah maybe! :)
For real, how many people do you suppose attended the show?
The one really good audience shot BB.com did showed at most 100 people (5 or 6 rows filled). This was right before the final posedown.
Maybe there were more earlier and they left in disgust after the kiddie-porn that Bob insists was just "wholesome family entertainment"?
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Nobody comes to bb'ing shows, we all know this. That is why they HAVE to have an NPC show. These people pay to enter, famlies pay to see them and they pay no money out. That is why every small pro show (non O/arnold) has to have an NPC show. You have to figure in the monster payday and the 10k in sanction fee's they paid to have it. Plus paying judges, stipend money, rentals, etc. It's a good thing Vyotech doesn't have to be profitable. They're running off "other" money
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what you mean with "other" money ?
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I was reading an old magazine I found in a box on the weekend and they were talking about a pro contest in germany around 1989 and they were complaining that ONLY 2000 people turned up.
How times have changed!
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Bbing was huge in europe in the 90s.
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It's a good thing Vyotech doesn't have to be profitable. They're running off "other" money
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
Truth is, this isn't just Vyotech though. Fronts are everywhere. Ask 240 about opiate monies and how they were sustaining the US economy post-911. It's a fact of life that a lot of people like to pretend doesn't exist.
My friend's review of 17-HD:
http://www.bodybuildingpro.com/vyotech17hdreview.html
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Bbing was huge in europe in the 90s.
It was bigger in the US back in the late 80's/early 90's as well. In 2007, nobody gives a fucck. When a pro show only pulls ~100 ppl for the finals, that should tell you something.
I think the subculture is only going to support 2 big shows, one in the east and one in the west, held about 6 months apart (O and ASC). People come to those as "weekend conventions" to hang with others in the subculture, the show's just an excuse really.
But nobody's going to spend an evening attending a 2nd-tier show the way you would a baseball or basketball game... nobody.
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We are forgetting the show had a large audience if you include the broadcast viewers. Maybe this is the way of the future and sponsors will make their money through advertising. So it may not matter than not many actually show up in the auditorium.
Bottom line is that it is sad that so few showed up. It couldn't have anything to do with how Shawn behaved on Getbig in the months leading up to his event? Those exchanges with Milos and others weren't smart for a contest promoter. I hope he learned his lesson here. If you annoy enough people and are perceived in a disapproving way you can't expect people to support you re spending money in your direction.
Where is Shawn and the athletes rep to explain how great everything went?
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Even the balcony was filled. :o
THat is too damn funny, awesome pic post ;D
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We are forgetting the show had a large audience if you include the broadcast viewers. Maybe this is the way of the future and sponsors will make their money through advertising. So it may not matter than not many actually show up in the auditorium.
Oh sure, if you include the webcasts more are watching than ever before. But the promoters make no money off the webcasts; so how can the shows sustain themselves financially?
Unless paid advertising on the webcasts can cover both the cost of putting on the webcast plus somehow support a portion of the prize money/costs, I don't see how these 2nd tier shows will remain viable in the long term.
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Bottom line is that it is sad that so few showed up. It couldn't have anything to do with how Shawn behaved on Getbig in the months leading up to his event?
It's possible.
As I've said before, I respect Shawn's performance as a bodybuilder but wish for him to understand why bodybuilders are compensated as they are. They are for a reason - lack of market value. It has nothing to do with being exploited or any number of excuses bodybuilders come up with. I've actually been quite happy since last year that Shawn put the Colorado pro in place and offered big prize money and now gets to see first hand what a disaster that is - it gives him a chance to learn for himself and see the error of his ways. Granted, the IFBB is a monopoly which is difficult to analyze in strict economic terms. I would need to see evidence to believe the Colorado Pro did not operate at a loss.
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oh yeah one more thing...how did the bodybuilding.com webmaster know at 5:30 who won the viewers choice award?
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oh yeah one more thing...how did the bodybuilding.com webmaster know at 5:30 who won the viewers choice award?
He didn't...
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The fan award should have been awarded after the broadcast was over. No way anyone could properly make that call until the finals were over. It seemed inappropriate to award the fan prize before the results were announced. If the same guy didn't win both it could have been a bit embarrassing, etc. They could have announced that fan prize on Getbig after the show.
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Bob! How many would you guess were there during the finals? The screencaps from bb.com clearly show 5-6 rows filled at best.
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He didn't...
but he told us several hours before the vote was over....i was here for it. and i dont do drugs or drink so i know what i read LOL
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The fan award should have been awarded after the broadcast was over. No way anyone could properly make that call until the finals were over. It seemed inappropriate to award the fan prize before the results were announced. If the same guy didn't win both it could have been a bit embarrassing, etc. They could have announced that fan prize on Getbig after the show.
Sure there is....we have the numbers from the entire broadcast, nothing was going to change in the last 10 minutes.
It was the FANS choice...voted by the FANS, whether or not it matched the judges decision doesn't matter.
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but he told us several hours before the vote was over....i was here for it. and i dont do drugs or drink so i know what i read LOL
Do you have a link to the post? I don't remember that.
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Bob, I know I have to spell things out for you. I don't mind if you eventually get it.
Look, the IFBB appointed you the pro athletes rep.
Okay, so far so good. Except for not wearing a tie, of course. Anyway, they had a fan award for the best bodybuilder. Can't you as athletes rep see timing is everything re the experience of competitors? That award had nothing to do with the contest and the judges there. Why present that fan award before the judges decision?
If the choice of the fans doesn't win it means the judges might have done a bad job. You will now have two disappointed competitors who both 'won' the contest. Trying to mix the media and actual contests was ill conceived. You guys need to think these things through in future.
Hope this helps.
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Re: Webcast finals live!
« Reply #552 on: June 02, 2007, 09:58:49 PM » Quote
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Quote from: Bodybuilding.com Webmaster on June 02, 2007, 09:57:50 PM
Kai Greene wins fan's choice!
Nice to have the insider info!!! thanks Webmaster guy =D
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Re: Webcast finals live!
« Reply #552 on: June 02, 2007, 09:58:49 PM » Quote
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Quote from: Bodybuilding.com Webmaster on June 02, 2007, 09:57:50 PM
Kai Greene wins fan's choice!
Nice to have the insider info!!! thanks Webmaster guy =D
That was at 10pm, probably right before they announced it.
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Bob! How many would you guess were there during the finals? The screencaps from bb.com clearly show 5-6 rows filled at best.
*crickets*
;D
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Don't worry Keith, we spotted you peaking in the convention center. When I find the photo, I'll be sure to post it.
Many people talked about the pic you shot of him. Come on Lift lets see it.
www.kagedmuscle.com
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Bollocks, I buggered up the quote.
www.kagedmuscle.com
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*crickets*
;D
Couldn't tell you....more than last year at the beginning...much more. Less at the end of the night...no question, people were tired as the show should be split into two nights next year in my opinion.
Someone said there were 1500 last year, I'd say based on that, there were 2,000 this year...Expo was 10X busier this year than last....
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I had a good time at the show except for the hour line up to get through airport security this morning. Great location. Lighting could be better on stage if we want to get picky.
www.kagedmuscle.com
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I had a good time at the show except for the hour line up to get through airport security this morning. Great location. Lighting could be better on stage if we want to get picky.
www.kagedmuscle.com
LOL...we made our flight by 1 MINUTE.
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I had a good time at the show
Yes we know you did. :)
Don't worry Keith's photo will be making an appearance this week.
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I had a good time at the show except for the hour line up to get through airport security this morning. Great location. Lighting could be better on stage if we want to get picky.
www.kagedmuscle.com
WE left the same airport (ATL) and drove by the hopspital here in Denver that the TB positive guys used LOL.
Airport security sucks and is a joke if ay ask me. Why would they frisk some old lady like she was Al Queda???
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My comment of other means that people that own vyotech don't need it to make money. The investment group that owns it is well off from other business ventures.
The only way to save the sport is via online. There are a lot of freaks that like bb'ing, but don't want to go to the show. Women's bb'ing can actually draw quite a few people. Because the schmoe's will pay anything to see the girls up close. I was the first person to stream a contest online live. Our peak number was 1700 for the night show. We didn't pub it at all. We simply mentioned it 2 days before. I imagine the numbers are pretty good for the bb'ing webcast as the casual fan can check it out for 15 min and leave. It is the future.
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My only beef, is that they had too little coverage of the strongman. ;D
But that's just my personal interest in strongman comps, and I think it was great to see Shawn Ray getting all those different events into one expo, definitely hope he'll continue in the footsteps of Arnold.
Next year, I hope Shawn can get either WSM or IFSA to co-promote the event. Would be sweet to see either Pfister, Marunde or some up and coming strongmens.
-Hedge
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General observation here ..... Back in the old days a lot of contests were promoted by the Power and Olympic lifters with a men's bodybuilding contest held at the very end in an attempt to keep the audiance in their seats so that someone would be there when the lifters' trophies were handed out. Sometimes the BB contest would start way after midnight and on a few occasions end at approximately 5 am, but a good number of the audiance would stay until the event was finished even under those conditions.
Nowadays I notice that a lot of the audiance leaves the contest when the women's part of the contest is over. And only about 25% of the original audiance remains to see the men's finals. I notice that this is true in NPC events held in California.
Now may be the proper time to present the women's trophies at the very end of the contest in an effort to keep the audiance in their seats until the very end.
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Yes we know you did. :)
Don't worry Keith's photo will be making an appearance this week.
As you can see I like to enjoy myself with a little help from my friends. You have the uncanny ability to do it by yourself.
www.kagedmuscle.com
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It is jmo, but shows with the top 5 looking asthetic like kai, dareem, & Ronny will do much better when that type of physique wins. Its a great way for the smaller pros to build their name. DOnt get me wrong, i am a fan of the freaks like Dj and branch, but thats not what attracts NEW fans. My friends who arent into bodybuilding see pics of Stan, Phil, and Dugdale in magazines and say wow i would love to look like that. Bodybuilding.com is doing a great job imo of broadening the horizon of bodybuilding, and i hope it continues to grow. I would say that any pro show w/ a webcast is a success. Once again JMO..
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As you can see I like to enjoy myself with a little help from my friends. You have the uncanny ability to do it by yourself.
www.kagedmuscle.com
Nice pants
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As you can see I like to enjoy myself with a little help from my friends. You have the uncanny ability to do it by yourself.
www.kagedmuscle.com
Too funny ya bloody bastard.
Funky Fresh
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a little bird told me that shawn and friends put the coloradp pro show on to launder their drug money. if you guys knew how many tickets they claimed to have sold last year, your jaws would drop.
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probably not cause i didnt even know the date