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This weekend, federal authorities foiled a stunning terrorist plot by Muslim extremists to kill thousands of our readers, strike the international transport grid, and depress the nation’s economy during its slowest quarter since late 2002 – but enough about that.
That was the message of Sunday’s New York Times.
The FBI had prevented four men, including a former member of Guyana’s parliament, from blowing up John F. Kennedy International Airport – and possibly part of Queens. They hoped to ignite underground fuel pipes, setting off a chain reaction of explosions that would envelop the entire complex. The NY Post and New York Daily News made it front page news. The NY Daily News headlined its story, “They Aimed to Kill Thousands.” The Post included a chilling sidebar, “Pipeline Security A Joke.”
The (inexplicably) most prestigious newspaper in the world put its bland story on page 30. Instead, page one featured yet another story about Guantanamo Bay detainees.
Any junior editor at any county newspaper in the country would have been fired for putting the most reported story in the nation two-and-a-half dozen pages into the well. Aside from burying a major international story that took place in its metro area, the Newspaper of Record took pains to make the Muslim battle plan that could have atomized a portion of its immediate readership appear utterly irrelevant.
The NYT began by obscuring the terrorists’ target. Although it faults the U.S. military for using the term “collateral damage,” the Times wrote as though the plotters only planned to blow up inanimate objects, certainly not human beings. Its opening line read, “Four men, including a onetime airport cargo handler and a former member of the Parliament of Guyana, were charged yesterday with plotting to blow up fuel tanks, terminal buildings and the web of fuel lines running beneath Kennedy International Airport.”
Secondly, it minimized the severity of the plot. JFK “was never in imminent danger because the plot was only in a preliminary phase and the conspirators had yet to lay out detailed plans or obtain financing or explosives.” Besides, “safety shut-off valves would almost assuredly have prevented an exploding airport fuel tank from igniting all or even part of the network.” Move along. Nothing to see here!
And, as they have for the last several plots (Ft. Dix, Miami, etc.), the Old Gray Lady portrayed the would-be mass killers as pathetic and sympathetic. Plot originator Russell Defreitas, 63, was “divorced and lost touch with his two children.” Once homeless, he moved into an apartment where “the weather was rough on his health and the cold was tough on his arthritis.” He now lives on “a run-down block full of graffiti.” He liked jazz, “especially the saxophone.” Friends described him as a “polite man” and “not that bright” – not bright enough to pull off a serious attack.
Much deeper into the story the crack staff fesses up: “Defreitas envisioned ‘the destruction of the whole of Kennedy” and theorized that because of underground pipes, ‘part of Queens would explode.’” He told his co-conspirators he wanted to inflict such massive loss of life that “even the twin towers can’t touch it.” Beyond crippling the U.S. economy (during a downturn), the move would have symbolic value, as well. Americans “love John F. Kennedy,” he said. “If you hit that, this whole country will be in mourning. It’s like you kill the man twice.” Apparently murdering the president’s brother once was not enough for Muslim extremists.
Later still, the Times notes that, while they weren’t al-Qaeda operatives, the four sought help from “extremist Muslim group based in Trinidad and Tobago called Jamaat al-Muslimeen.” They had “precise and extensive” surveillance of their target, which serves 1,000 flights a day. The quartet “was very familiar with the airport and how to access secure areas.” The plotters were motivated by “fundamentalist Islamic beliefs of a violent nature.” (Coincidentally, every terrorist who has killed Americans since the late Clinton administration has also shared “fundamentalist Islamic beliefs of a violent nature.” In fact, “Mr. Kadir, who, along with being a former elected official [in Guyana], is an imam.”) An unnamed law enforcement official told reporters they stopped the plot early for a reason: “if we let it go it could have gotten [serious]; they could have gotten the J.A.M. fully involved, and we wouldn’t know where it could have gone.”
Oh, and one of the plotters is still at large. Perhaps getting “J.A.M. fully involved” now. “The fourth suspect, Abdel Nur, 57, remained a fugitive.”
Too busy to concentrate on news that doesn’t fit, the Times featured another front page story in which the terrorist is portrayed as a victim, this one set in Gitmo. The story begins:
The facts of Omar Ahmed Khadr’s case are grim. The shrapnel from the grenade he is accused of throwing ripped through the skull of Sgt. First Class Christopher J. Speer, who was 28 when he died.
To American military prosecutors, Mr. Khadr is a committed Al Qaeda operative, spy and killer who must be held accountable for killing Sergeant Speer in 2002 and for other bloody acts he committed in Afghanistan.
But there is one fact that may not fit easily into the government’s portrait of Mr. Khadr: He was 15 at the time.
Not only a mere teen, Khadr is:
the youngest detainee at Guantanamo Bay, nearly blind in one eye from injuries sustained during the July 2002 firefight in which Sergeant Speer was mortally wounded and another American soldier was severely injured. Last week, Mr. Khadr said he wanted to fire all of his American lawyers, and some of them said they understood why he might distrust Americans after five years at Guantanamo. (Emphasis added.)
His lawyer, Muneer I. Ahmad is – surprise! – an associate professor at the American University Washington College of Law. Saith Ahmad, “If Omar had had his free choice, what he would have chosen to do is ride horses, play soccer and read Harry Potter books.”
Another innocent betrayed by Bush’s War on Terror! Just like Hillary Clinton.
Only in the 17th and 18th paragraphs of the story do we learn Omar’s father, Ahmed Said Khadr, was a “senior deputy to Osama bin Laden,” and one of his brothers told the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation, “We are an al-Qaeda family.”
Moreover, the story grudgingly acknowledges international law does not forbid the United States from doing precisely what it is with Omar. Not only is this a non-story, it is an old non-story. FrontPage Magazine covered The Littlest Jihadist as early as 2002 and has run numerous stories about this extremist family, with its extensive ties to the 9/11 plotters. But to the Times, his alleged suffering trumps the suffering of its own readers.
In addition to this meager coverage of a legitimate threat, the NYT editorial page had not a single editorial on the threat to its readers’ hometown, although Sunday’s issue had three editorials targeting President Bush, Dick Cheney, and the “harsh” jurisprudence of Clarence Thomas.
The decisions to put a story portraying the plight of Guantanamo Bay’s beleaguered terrorist population on page one and to ignore the JFK plot in its editorial coverage were transparently political moves. While Muslim extremists wage a hot war against the United States – often centered in one of the bluest cities of the nation – the Left sees its war on President Bush as infinitely more important. Why do anything that would put the spotlight on terrorism, vindicate the present administration, or – worse yet – perhaps elect a Republican in 2008? The NYT would not take that chance, and it had no difficulty altering its news coverage to fit that political template.
Ultimately, said Mark J. Mershon, the assistant director in charge of the FBI’s New York office, the JFK plotters based their actions on “a pattern of hatred toward the United States and the West in general.” One suspects the same could be said of the New York Times.
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that speaks volumes, don't you think?
Page 30!!! good grief!
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Are you sure that was the only story about it?
It was on page 1 of the Boston Globe and the Globe is owned by the NY Times and is a liberal biased paper.
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Incredible. An attack that would have paralyzed the country, again.
Last night Edwards and Obama both said the war on terror is a "bumper sticker" and Edwards said we are no safer today than before 911. And these men want to be president?
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Are you sure that was the only story about it?
It was on page 1 of the Boston Globe and the Globe is owned by the NY Times and is a liberal biased paper.
you from Boston?
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Last night Edwards and Obama both said the war on terror is a "bumper sticker" and Edwards said we are no safer today than before 911. And these men want to be president?
1. It is a bumper sticker that hypnotically puts people to sleep while allowing the administration to take tax money and give it to their investment companies.
2. We are not safer, we have created a new generation of people who legitimately hate Americans for what we did to their country.
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This weekend, federal authorities foiled a stunning terrorist plot by Muslim extremists to kill thousands of our readers, strike the international transport grid, and depress the nation’s economy during its slowest quarter since late 2002
Blah, blah, blah..........why no color coded terror alerts?
Did these "so called" terrorists have ANY bombs or bomb making material? NO.
This sounds very similar to the "plot" in Europe to blow up American Airliners. ALL suspects were released and the case collapsed.
Until you show me a conviction of ANY of these men........don't waste my time.
Anyway, I'm off to finish duct taping my home. ::)
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1. It is a bumper sticker that hypnotically puts people to sleep while allowing the administration to take tax money and give it to their investment companies.
2. We are not safer, we have created a new generation of people who legitimately hate Americans for what we did to their country.
Hillary disagrees with you. Last night she said we are safer post-911. I agree with Hillary [cringe].
People hated us before 911, after 911, and will always hate us. There is nothing we can do to change that.
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People hated us before 911, after 911, and will always hate us. There is nothing we can do to change that.
We can, and have, created more hatred due to our horrendous foreign policy.
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you from Boston?
Yes, although I live just south of Boston now.
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We can, and have, created more hatred due to our horrendous foreign policy.
Maybe, although there were plenty of Muslims and others in the Middle East who hated us before 911. That's why they attacked us on 911. I'm not sure if we created more, or simply intensified their hate. Probably the latter. They were probably angry that we took out the Taliban and Al Qaeda after 911.
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Maybe, although there were plenty of Muslims and others in the Middle East who hated us before 911. That's why they attacked us on 911. I'm not sure if we created more, or simply intensified their hate. Probably the latter. They were probably angry that we took out the Taliban and Al Qaeda after 911.
Our foreign policy (imperialism) created hate prior to 2003.
We are creating more hatred in kids who are growing up with our murderous occupation of their country.
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Our foreign policy (imperialism) created hate prior to 2003.
We are creating more hatred in kids who are growing up with our murderous occupation of their country.
Then what is the explanation for the kids in the Middle East who were taught to hate America over 20 years ago? I remember seeing kids in Iran over 20 years ago chanting "death to America!" and burning American flags. Those are some of the same people supporting and/or carrying out attacks on the U.S. today. They have called us "The Great Satan" for decades.
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Then what is the explanation for the kids in the Middle East who were taught to hate America over 20 years ago? I remember seeing kids in Iran over 20 years ago chanting "death to America!" and burning American flags. Those are some of the same people supporting and/or carrying out attacks on the U.S. today. They have called us "The Great Satan" for decades.
I truly believe you have no idea why Iranians hated the U.S.
Who was the repressive leader of Iran for 20-some years? And who put that person in power and supported him?
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Yes, although I live just south of Boston now.
most of my family is in Beverly across the bay from Salem.....I like that area
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I truly believe you have no idea why Iranians hated the U.S.
Who was the repressive leader of Iran for 20-some years? And who put that person in power and supported him?
Why don't you tell me why Iranians, Saudi Arabians, etc. hated the U.S. for decades?
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Why don't you tell me why Iranians, Saudi Arabians, etc. hated the U.S. for decades?
Well, I just gave you a hint with the Iranians.
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Well, I just gave you a hint with the Iranians.
I give up.
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Our foreign policy (imperialism) created hate prior to 2003.
We are creating more hatred in kids who are growing up with our murderous occupation of their country.
actually the kids love Americans, it is the 18-30 age group that doesn't realize what we are there for....just like EVERY country I have been to, the kids, women and 40+ love us because they have experienced the worst...Korea, Guatemala, Kuwait, Bolivia, Honduras etc.... it is the same story.
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I give up.
It was the same old story- the U.S. desire for oil. Wouldn't want to put it in the hands of the people!
"In 1951, the government of nationalist Prime Minister Mohammed Mossadeq (sometimes spelled Mossadegh) nationalized the British-owned Anglo-Iranian Oil Company (AIOC). The Shah fled to Rome from Iran before the U.S.-backed coup against Mossadeq in August 1953, during which pro-Shah army forces arrested the Prime Minister. The Shah returned soon thereafter. A few years later, AIOC was renamed British Petroleum, better known today as BP."
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most of my family is in Beverly across the bay from Salem.....I like that area
Parts of the North Shore are beautiful especially around where your family is. I love Manchester by the Sea, Marblehead, Beverly, Gloucester, Rockport and parts of Salem and Swampscott. It's definately colder up there than down here on the South Shore though, especially the water.
You must absolutely hate the Boston Globe. My brother calls it a "Liberal Rag" and refuses to read it. :D
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Incredible. An attack that would have paralyzed the country, again.
Yes, the same "so called" attacks on NYC buildings prior to the 2004 election that turned out to be OLD, TRUMPED UP, BS NEWS.
You Koolaid drinkers make me want to puke.
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We can, and have, created more hatred due to our horrendous foreign policy.
Not to be disrespectful, but just from personal experience it seems like the dislike towards America(ns) has grown lately.
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It was the same old story- the U.S. desire for oil. Wouldn't want to put it in the hands of the people!
"In 1951, the government of nationalist Prime Minister Mohammed Mossadeq (sometimes spelled Mossadegh) nationalized the British-owned Anglo-Iranian Oil Company (AIOC). The Shah fled to Rome from Iran before the U.S.-backed coup against Mossadeq in August 1953, during which pro-Shah army forces arrested the Prime Minister. The Shah returned soon thereafter. A few years later, AIOC was renamed British Petroleum, better known today as BP."
So this is the reason that multiple countries in the Middle East call us The Great Satan? The people I've talked to say they believe we are evil and there is really nothing we can do about their hatred. I don't think their decades-long hatred started because of oil.
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So this is the reason that multiple countries in the Middle East call us The Great Satan? The people I've talked to say they believe we are evil and there is really nothing we can do about their hatred. I don't think their decades-long hatred started because of oil.
Oil and our general foreign policy record that supports repressive governments.
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Yes, the same "so called" attacks on NYC buildings prior to the 2004 election that turned out to be OLD, TRUMPED UP, BS NEWS.
You Koolaid drinkers make me want to puke.
You calling me a Kool-Aid drinker? I have no idea what you're talking about. Are you saying these guys were planted by the Bush Administration?
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Not to be disrespectful, but just from personal experience it seems like the dislike towards America(ns) has grown lately.
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With leadership this dysfuctional what would you expect?
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You calling me a Kool-Aid drinker? Are you saying these guys were planted by the Bush Administration?
Yes, your a Koolaid drinker.
I'm saying Bush has repeatedly used scare tactic's on the American public........it's ALL that pathetic jackass has.
Until I see a conviction, it's ALL TRUMPED UP BS.
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Yes, your a Koolaid drinker.
I'm saying Bush has repeatedly used scare tactic's on the American public........it's ALL that pathetic jackass has.
Until I see a conviction, it's ALL TRUMPED UP BS.
Coming from a liberal like you, I take that as a compliment. You probably believe we shot missiles into the WTC and Pentagon too?
Your life story: :D http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0107050/
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Yeah and as soon as the Aytollahhhh (whatever) came to power, they started killing everybody...They killed more people in a two year span then Savak ever did in their 30 plus years of Intelligence service. Iran was a very secular westernized country. Under the mullahs, guys who spoke up against them got dead, not exiled like their spiritual leader khomenie (sp) under the Shah...more liberal BS. This was another great by the Carter administration. ::)
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Yeah and as soon as the Aytollahhhh (whatever) came to power, they started killing everybody...They killed more people in a two year span then Savak ever did in their 30 plus years of Intelligence service. Iran was a very secular westernized country. Under the mullahs, guys who spoke up against them got dead, not exiled like their spiritual leader khomenie (sp) under the Shah...more liberal BS. This was another great by the Carter administration. ::)
Yes, the religious fanatics who took power suck. Too bad their revolution didn't end with a socialist government. :(
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So you are a socialist...if they had installed a socialist government it would have failed..we'd be buddies and could have avoided alot of killing.
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Parts of the North Shore are beautiful especially around where your family is. I love Manchester by the Sea, Marblehead, Beverly, Gloucester, Rockport and parts of Salem and Swampscott. It's definately colder up there than down here on the South Shore though, especially the water.
You must absolutely hate the Boston Globe. My brother calls it a "Liberal Rag" and refuses to read it. :D
it is gorgeous but there is no way I could afford to live there!! I don't read the glob, or any newspaper for that matter other than the sports page...Sounds like me and you Bro would get along..must be your older wiser brother!
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could have avoided alot of killing.
Bummer for you. ;)
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it is gorgeous but there is no way I could afford to live there!! I don't read the glob, or any newspaper for that matter other than the sports page...Sounds like me and you Bro would get along..must be your older wiser brother!
I wrecked a car In Manchester by the Sea..went to school in Danvers..I'm from Amesbury.
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Coming from a liberal like you, I take that as a compliment. You probably believe we shot missiles into the WTC and Pentagon too?
No missile story coming from me.
Although, I believe 9-11 was preventable if F-16's were scrambled to intercept the 737 following the abrupt u-turns near Ohio. This is considered standard operating procedure.
PGA golfer Payne Stewarts Lear jet was met by 2 F-16's in 15 minutesafter going off their intended flight plan.
Why were jumbo jets allowed to deviate from their flight plans without a scrambeled escort?
No Koolaid drinker has a valid reason for this.
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I wrecked a car In Manchester by the Sea..went to school in Danvers..I'm from Amesbury.
I actually grew up in Maine but spent alot of time in Mass. Honestly is there a bad place in New England?
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Coming from a liberal like you, I take that as a compliment.
BTW, I was voting Republican while you were still snuggled in your daddy's nut sack.
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No missile story coming from me.
Although, I believe 9-11 was preventable if F-16's were scrambled to intercept the 737 following the abrupt u-turns near Ohio. This is considered standard operating procedure.
PGA golfer Payne Stewarts Lear jet was met by 2 F-16's in 15 minutesafter going off their intended flight plan.
Why were jumbo jets allowed to deviate from their flight plans without a scrambeled escort?
No Koolaid drinker has a valid reason for this.
I don't know. Tell us more about this 911 conspiracy Enigma.
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I actually grew up in Maine but spent alot of time in Mass. Honestly is there a bad place in New England?
NO..I miss it every day.
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BTW, I was voting Republican while you were still snuggled in your daddy's nut sack.
And yet today you are a liberal. What happened?
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I don't know.
No surprise here.
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No surprise here.
::)
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And yet today you are a liberal. What happened?
100% Conservative Republican......somethin g Bush isn't.
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NO..I miss it every day.
It's better than this hole Missouri.....
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Is that the best you have in response to the un-scrambled jets?
Your a TOTAL joke.
Go away.
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I don't know.
You don't know D*CK Thanks for clearing that up.
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Is that the best you have in response to the un-scrambled jets?
Your a TOTAL joke.
Go away.
I don't believe in the 911 conspiracy. I don't debate it anymore. It's a stupid theory.
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You don't know D*CK Thanks for clearing that up.
::) Grumpy Old Man. You need a hug dude.
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::) Grumpy Old Man. You need a hug dude.
Nice try changing the subject. What's wrong.........can't answer the tough questions?
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100% Conservative Republican......somethin g Bush isn't.
[chuckle] Dude you are a liberal. Nothing to be ashamed of. Liberals aren't bad people.
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Nice try changing the subject. What's wrong.........can't answer the tough questions?
I answered your question, Grumpy Old Man. Maybe you should plant a garden. That's supposed to be therapeutic. And try smiling too. It's good for the soul.
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I don't believe in the 911 conspiracy. I don't debate it anymore. It's a stupid theory.
No conspiracy..........US military's standard operating procedure is to immediately scramble fighter jets to ANY aircraft that is OFF COURSE. This is done to prevent an off course aircraft from striking a POPULATED area.
Why did this not happen with commercial jets on 9-11 ?
Conspiracy my ass.
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Since when...we used to have guys ready...but the ready aircraft were atleast 30 min from generation on 911. Its easier when this kinda stuff happens away from the East Coast..a hell of alot more AF bases with Tac aircraft ready to deal with this kinda stuff.
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[chuckle] Dude you are a liberal. Nothing to be ashamed of. Liberals aren't bad people.
My lifetime voting record.
Reagan 1980
Reagan 1984
Bush Sr 1988
Bush Sr 1992
Dole 1996
Bush Jr 2000
Does that look like a Liberal?
Like I said........you were snuggled in your dad's nut sack while I was voting Republican.
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My lifetime voting record.
Reagan 1980
Reagan 1984
Bush Sr 1988
Bush Sr 1992
Dole 1996
Bush Jr 2000
Does that look like a Liberal?
Like I said........you were snuggled in your dad's nut sack while I was voting Republican.
Dole??? so much for my respect for you
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My lifetime voting record.
Reagan 1980
Reagan 1984
Bush Sr 1988
Bush Sr 1992
Dole 1996
Bush Jr 2000
Does that look like a Liberal?
Like I said........you were snuggled in your dad's nut sack while I was voting Republican.
Dude I could care less how you voted in the past. Today, you are a liberal. You prove that everyday on this board. You're in denial.
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Since when...we used to have guys ready...but the ready aircraft were atleast 30 min from generation on 911.
There was plenty of time to scramble...........the 737's turned around in Ohio. They still had 1 1/2 hours to the WTC.
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Dude I could care less how you voted in the past. Today, you are a liberal. You prove that everyday on this board. You're in denial.
No, I just happened to see this "train wreck" called Bush in 2003.......long before the rest of the country joined in.
It's only the blind 25%ers who are unwilling to use the brain they have. (that is highly questionable)
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There was plenty of time to scramble...........the 737's turned around in Ohio. They still had 1 1/2 hours to the WTC.
They never got the call at Otis until it was way to late to generate 2 F-16's with weapons on board...no conspiracy..we just werent' ready. Ask MM69 how long it takes to generate 2 F-16s with sidewinders froma cold start.
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They never got the call at Otis until it was way to late to generate 2 F-16's with weapons on board...no conspiracy..we just werent' ready. Ask MM69 how long it takes to generate 2 F-16s with sidewinders froma cold start.
He won't listen...if I thought he would I would try
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Dole??? so much for my respect for you
Sorry to upset you but I DON'T vote Democrat.
I just can't stand this unintelligent MORON in the WH.
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He will be gone in 2 years. I liked Fred Thompson but some Bush folks are jumping to his run. The neocons are as big a threat to us as the LIBS.
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They never got the call at Otis until it was way to late to generate 2 F-16's with weapons on board...no conspiracy..we just werent' ready.
Check the records......the AF was practicing for what actually occured on 9-11.
And still no scramble.
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He will be gone in 2 years. I liked Fred Thompson but some Bush folks are jumping to his run. The neocons are as big a threat to us as the LIBS.
I like Thompson as well.
The Neo's suck just like the Libs.
Moderation is what this country currently needs.
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Yeah well i did to unitl i read an article today that has some of the Bush team going over to help the campaign..thats ok if they aren't the neo/evengelical end. I have faith that Fred wouldn't want them anywhere near him. Cross your fingers. I think we havea chance if we can get a centerist or even a true con to run.
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Yeah well i did to unitl i read an article today that has some of the Bush team going over to help the campaign..thats ok if they aren't the neo/evengelical end. I have faith that Fred wouldn't want them anywhere near him. Cross your fingers. I think we havea chance if we can get a centerist or even a true con to run.
I agree, w/o some moderation to my republican party, we are toast in 08.