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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: shiftedShapes on June 05, 2007, 12:12:08 PM
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VERIFIED IN WHIPETS:
http://genetics.plosjournals.org/archive/1553-7404/preprint/2007/pdf/10.1371_journal.pgen.0030079.eor.pdf
MAY BE PRESENT IN GREYHOUNDS:
"Several lines of whippets bred for racing are now producing what are known as ?bully whippets?. Bully whippets are characterized by extreme over-muscling (to the point of being considered double-muscled), severe overbites, protruding tongues, overly broad back skulls, cat feet, short limbs, and noticeably sweet temperaments. A bully whippet does not look like its littermates or its parents but it does look like other bullies, much in the same way that people with Down?s Syndrome have similar physical characteristics.
Anecdotally, we have heard that the ?bully syndrome? also occurs in NGA greyhounds and non-pedigreed whippets in the UK. Like the pure-bred whippets here, both of these populations are bred for racing."
FROM: http://www.k9community.co.uk/forums/index.php?showtopic=25995&st=15
WIKIPEDIA ON THE SUBJECT:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myostatin
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Adonis is gonna get one as a pet. ::)
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i would like to get one as a pet
they are too fast twitch dominant to do well in whippet sprints, they don't have the endurance, but they are extremely explosive out of the gate. they are also supposed to have unusually sweet temperments.
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Wow, a yellow myostatin frog
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Breeders are Dr. Mengeles progeny, NAZI"S bent on creating the perfect species. Do any of you realize that when these animals are bred for their deformities they are also fucking up their brain development. Most purebredes of chemically imbalance brains. These poor dogs have to suffer from depression, anxiety, and obsessive compulsivness just because their owners wanted a fast dog.
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Wow, a yellow myostatin frog
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Breeders are Dr. Mengeles progeny, NAZI"S bent on creating the perfect species. Do any of you realize that when these animals are bred for their deformities they are also fucking up their brain development. Most purebredes of chemically imbalance brains. These poor dogs have to suffer from depression, anxiety, and obsessive compulsivness just because their owners wanted a pretty dog.
well racing whippets are bred for speed. not looks.
these bullies are considered to be undesireable because they lack endurance and are all sprint.
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Wow, a yellow myostatin frog
LOL ;D
Adonis disected one in a biology class. ::)
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I already have a Greyhound. Yes this is true about their muscles. Another neat fact is that they run solely on ATP and not Oxygen during the inital part of their sprints. We don`t have that ability.
My grey is a champion racer, Mambo King aka Darwin, has WAY more muscle than any dog.
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well racing whippets are bred for speed. not looks.
these bullies are considered to be undesireable because they lack endurance and are all sprint.
whatever they are bred for some particular physical characteristic without any concern for the dogs health or mental stability. It is possible to breed healthy dogs and still get characteristcs you want but most breeders are unethical and only in it for the money.
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Breeders are Dr. Mengeles progeny, NAZI"S bent on creating the perfect species. Do any of you realize that when these animals are bred for their deformities they are also fucking up their brain development. Most purebredes of chemically imbalance brains. These poor dogs have to suffer from depression, anxiety, and obsessive compulsivness just because their owners wanted a fast dog.
This isn`t true with Greyhounds at all as the Populations are EXPERTLY controlled. Only the best of the best and you WILL NEVER find some schmuck selling Greyhounds that are inferior or interbred. I have mine traced all the way back to 1820.
All are traced back that far at least. No other dog is regulated like that or as accurate.
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my pitbul would crush your santas little helper in a dog fight .....
lets meet up at my boy Vick's house ...
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whatever they are bred for some particular physical characteristic without any concern for the dogs health or mental stability. It is possible to breed healthy dogs and still get characteristcs you want but most breeders are unethical and only in it for the money.
Research Greyhounds and you will find that they are the most CALM and docile animals which is also synonymous with HIGH intelligence.
I love my Grey, he is striated with beautiful muslces and veiny all over. Its really an impressive sight to see.
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Research Greyhounds and you will find that they are the most CALM and docile animals which is also synonymous with HIGH intelligence.
I love my Grey, he is striated with beautiful muslces and veiny all over. Its really an impressive sight to see.
do you keep him as a pet or for racing?
he looks very muscular, but obviously not a myostatin mutant...can you imagine what a greyhound myostatin mutant would look like, now that would be incredible.
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can someone photoshop adonis's head next to the head of this whippet. I want to see who has the greater ear development.
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do you keep him as a pet or for racing?
he looks very muscular, but obviously not a myostatin mutant...can you imagine what a greyhound myostatin mutant would look like, now that would be incredible.
Both.
I am going to get him into Lure Coursing.
I have videos of all his races as well. I will post them on my Youtube shortly! I will take some new pics today from the field. You will see how crazy he looks!
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Both.
I am going to get him into Lure Coursing.
I have videos of all his races as well. I will post them on my Youtube shortly! I will take some new pics today from the field. You will see how crazy he looks!
lure coursing seems to be a better test of athletic ability then an oval track.
I'm sure the dog provides a lot of inspiration to you?
How did you get into the sport?
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lure coursing seems to be a better test of athletic ability then an oval track.
I'm sure the dog provides a lot of inspiration to you?
How did you get into the sport?
I have always been interested in it as well as Horse Racing.
I do know of a GIGANTIC Greyhound that weighed and raced at over 30-35 plus LBS of the normal 72-79 lb mark.
His name is Barge Large. Let me see if I can get some pics. He is defintely out of the ordinary mutant.
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I have always been interested in it as well as Horse Racing.
I do know of a GIGANTIC Greyhound that weighed and raced at over 30-35 plus LBS of the normal 72-79 lb mark.
His name is Large Barge. Let me see if I can get some pics. He is defintely out of the ordinary mutant.
If you have more info about him I'm sure the authors of this study would be interested http://genetics.plosjournals.org/archive/1553-7404/preprint/2007/pdf/10.1371_journal.pgen.0030079.eor.pdf
they theorized that the double muscling might be less common amongst greyhounds because they race longer distances. However from the size you described it sounds like he would be truly double-muscled and not just a heterozygote.
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Here are some cool pictures from the field of some good athletes!
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Greyhound racing is a cruel, abusive sport, but it is loosing more and more money every year so hopefully the tracks will be shut down soon. They don't treat race dogs the way they treat race horses.
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Here are some cool pictures from the field of some good athletes!
wow
I read that greyhounds actually run differently than other dogs, the gait is different.
Flower what does your post have to do with anything? Some (most) greyhounds are mistreated, that is bad, surely though you don't intend to condemn all sight hounds because of this?
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i can kick that dogs ass,one punch knock-out ;D
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Don't like the greyhound appearance....different strokes for different folks I guess, and while your dog looks solid what is the point of claiming "has WAY more muscle than any dog" you seem to be somewhat knowledgable in regards to canines so you know thats not true, even if you've never owned a presa or a dogo just take a look at one it's apples and oranges, and it's inevitable that when done racing and out of condition (losing some muscle gaining some fat) your dog will have a very different look.
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Don't like the greyhound appearance....different strokes for different folks I guess, and while your dog looks solid what is the point of claiming "has WAY more muscle than any dog" you seem to be somewhat knowledgable in regards to canines so you know thats not true, even if you've never owned a presa or a dogo just take a look at one it's apples and oranges, and it's inevitable that when done racing and out of condition (losing some muscle gaining some fat) your dog will have a very different look.
when TA's dog retires from racing it can move on to other forms of compettition: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Musical_Canine_Freestyle
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Greyhound racing is a cruel, abusive sport, but it is loosing more and more money every year so hopefully the tracks will be shut down soon. They don't treat race dogs the way they treat race horses.
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That is a myth and a lie.
GREYHOUND RACING MYTHS DEBUNKED!
by Martin Roper & Dennis McKeon
"Greyhounds are overbred" or “An estimated 10,000 to 50,000 greyhounds are born every year ...”There is no need to estimate how many greyhounds are whelped annually in the U.S. In 2004, 26,262 were registered and in 2003 it was 26,277. The National Greyhound Association has published exact figures for decades. Breeding has been on the decline for several years and 2005 whelpings are expected to be down 20 percent from last year.
“Most of those don't cut the mustard for the track.”Most greyhounds do make it at the track. Eighty percent of all greyhounds win a Maiden race and embark on a racing career. Of the remaining 20 percent, not all are failures. Many females are retained for breeding without ever going to the track.
"20,000, 30,000, 50,000 greyhounds are killed annually"
More than 90 percent of racing greyhounds are either adopted as pets upon retirement or returned to their owners for breeding. It is estimated that more than 18,000 are adopted annually through groups and a further 5,000 are retained by their owners. Greyhound Pets of America, the world's largest adoption group, estimates that full adoption can be reached as early as 2007, an achievement few popular breeds can claim.
"They're fed 4D Meat" or "Greyhounds are fed rotten meat"
Anti-Racing groups frequently point to the fact that racing greyhounds are fed meat from, “dead, diseased, dying or disabled” cattle as evidence of abuse because it causes so-called “Alabama Rot” that kills many greyhounds. The truth is that when meat is purchased from a reliable packing facility and handled correctly, the possibility of occurrence of E. Coli infection is extremely small and incidences of Alabama Rot are rare.
The U.S. Department of Agriculture has strict rules that regulate the source of meat approved for human consumption. Animals that do not meet those restrictions are designated 4D whether or not any of the above adjectives describe the reason for being considered unfit for humans. 4D meat is the primary ingredient in most pet foods, even premium brands. Pet food is cooked which kills the E. Coli bacteria, but also alters its nutritional composition. All attempts to replicate the diets of racing dogs with cooked food have resulted in failure. Racing greyhounds simply do not perform as well on a commercial diet as on one partially composed of raw meat. Many pet owners of a variety of breeds have converted to a B.A.R.F. (Bones and Raw Food) diet similar to typical racing greyhound fare.
When handled in a safe manner, from the packing plant to the feed bowl, raw meat has proven safe and effective. Qual-Pet, the largest supplier of meat to greyhound farms and kennels, has more than 40 years’ experience in the preparation and distribution of meat. The meat is frozen immediately upon grinding and delivered frozen to its outlets. The meat is stored in freezers by farmers and trainers until it is needed and then thawed before it is mixed with other forms of feed and supplements. The E. Coli bacteria is not uncommon nor necessarily dangerous in small amounts. Indeed, the strain of E. Coli that causes Alabama Rot is found naturally in a variety of foods ranging from apples to alfalfa sprouts. Only when mishandled and allowed to multiply in meat that has not been refrigerated for a long period of time does it begin to pose a danger.
In a similar example of fear mongering, one group even attempted to mislead the public by proclaiming that greyhounds were in danger of exposure to Mad Cow Disease via 4D meat. The truth, of course, is different. All cattle raised in America, regardless of whether their meat is destined for human or pet consumption, are tracked by the USDA and after they are slaughtered samples are collected and tested for Mad Cow. Greyhounds in the U.S. have no more chance of contracting Mad Cow Disease than do humans.
Greyhounds Are Given Performance Enhancing Drugs Greyhound racing is strictly regulated by the states where it exists. There is a state-approved vet and a state judge on premises, in addition to the track judge and other officials. Prior to weigh in, the greyhounds must pass before the judges and the vet on hand, all of whom have the option to examine and/or scratch any dog whom they feel is unfit to race for any reason.
After the race, urine samples are collected from the winner and/or the second place and last place finishers, with an additional random sample taken, depending upon the custom in the locality. Their urine is tested in independent, contracted laboratories, by means of ultra sensitive gas-chromatography. If any illegal substances are found to be present in the urine of the greyhound, the trainer is suspended and fined, and the kennel can be suspended, depending upon the decision of the judges at the hearing, which the offending parties must attend. A second offense can lead to the trainer's permanent suspension, and/or the revocation of the kennel's right to compete.
Incidentally, there has never been a successfully prosecuted criminal case involving a licensed greyhound professional and the use of illegal, performance enhancing or performance inhibiting drugs, in the entire history of greyhound racing in the USA.
"Their tiny crates give them only enough room to turn around" or "They spend 22 hours in a crate daily"
I often thought, when I was a trainer of racing greyhounds, and performing my daily chores of changing of shaking out and fluffing the bedding, and sweeping out and disinfecting upwards of 50 crates every morning, that there must be a better way. This is so much work. Then, after the beds are all done, and the crates are ready for their tenants to come in from turnout, to root around and happily nest in the fluffy paper, I’d have to begin the process of slitting fresh beds for the next day. There was no end to it.
Anti-racing and animal rights activists condemn the use of crates in the racing kennel, and like to refer to them as “cages”, for the negative connotation that the word conveys. Naturally, none of these people has ever been in charge of 50 or more greyhounds, and the vast majority of them have not been any closer to a racing kennel than I have to the Bunnies’ changing rooms at the Playboy Mansion.
The mythology they have developed, depicts the standard crate that is used in the racing kennel as being cramped, and too small to allow the greyhound to be even somewhat comfortable, never mind to actually stretch out. Think about that for a minute. You are the trainer of a kennel of 50 or more extremely valuable racing greyhounds. Their success at earning purses when racing, which determines your career success and what you will earn, is considerably predicated on the conditioning of their extraordinary muscles. Their accommodations must allow them to relax in time of repose, and provide ample creature comfort so that their muscles and bodies can rest, recovering from the exertions of exercise and racing performance. So naturally, in the warped and narcissistic world of the anti-racing bigot, the first thing you do, is stuff them in crates that are too small and stiflingly cramped, and which will induce anxiety, neurosis, and claustrophobia. Makes perfect sense, doesn’t it?
I don’t recall ever working in a racing kennel where the crates were not large enough for someone my size ----and I’m 6’1’’ tall---- to crawl in, curl up, and spend the night in relative comfort, and I did so on many occasions. The standard racing kennel crate is 3’x3’x4’, which affords even the largest, rangiest greyhound free and unfettered movement, and the ability to stretch his muscles, and to lie on their backs and “roach”….. which is the terminology that retired greyhound pet owners use to describe the blissful position that greyhounds assume, on their backs, with their feet in the air.
The crates are usually arranged in a manner that allows the trainer a frontal view of all the greyhounds, as they centrally perform their daily routines of grooming, massaging, checking for injuries, whirlpooling and otherwise tending to the normal needs of active racing greyhounds. As the trainer works with his/her greyhounds, he/she can easily tell if something is amiss with anyone of their charges, because of this standard, economical crate arrangement. Any experienced trainer knows that any deviation from the norm, in the habitual behavior of their greyhounds, is cause for concern. Crating greyhounds in the traditional manner, allows the trainer to always be visually in touch with each dog in the kennel, and to observe them at all times during the normal training, caretaking routines.
"Breeders practice 'Puppy Culling'"
Most of Anti-Racing mythology is predicated on the flimsiest evidence, often based on an utter lack of knowledge of the first thing about dogs, let alone Greyhounds. One example is the belief in ?puppy culling,? the killing of young greyhounds because they do not demonstrate the ability to win at the track.
One group publishes that 7,000 to 8,000 puppies are culled annually, killed even before they are registered because they are too slow. Their numbers are based on the number of total litters bred annually, which in Greyhounds average 6.5 pups each.
For any given year they multiply the number of litters reported in Greyhound Review by 6.5 and subtract the total number of registrations. Using figures from 2000 as an example, they simply subtract 26,464 registered pups from the estimated 34,141 whelped and assume that the 7,677 unregistered pups were "culled."
What they fail to take into account is that every birth, whether stillborn or not, every puppy, whether it dies in infancy or not, is factored into that 34,141 figure. According to the University of Pennsylvania School of Veterinary Medicine, overall pre-weaning puppy mortality is typically 30-45%, and the rate of stillborns is 10%. Of course, one would expect that experienced Greyhound breeders could achieve somewhat lower figures, but it is clear that well-known puppy mortality rates are not factored into AR figures at all.
"Puppy culling" is one of the central myths in the Anti-Racing movement. It is the only way they can make their numbers work (see ?20,000 Killed?). The truth is that there is no possible reason to cull puppies in greyhounds. In show dogs, occasionally puppies with a coat color that is not to the breed standard are culled. The only time a puppy will be euthanized at a greyhound farm is when it is born so sickly or injured so badly that its survivability is in doubt and the only question is how much suffering it will endure.
A good brood prospect will cost $1,000 to more than $10,000. Breeding to a top sire adds another $1,000 to $3,000. Insemination fees start at $250. With up-front costs that start at more than $2,000, and could easily exceed $12,000, it doesn't make economic sense to cull the results. Further, pups at recent NGA auctions fetched $2,500 to more than $70,000. Why would someone deprive themselves of this income potential?
The belief in culling by the AR movement is confounding and illogical. It reveals its adherents as lacking the most fundamental understanding of the breeding and raising of Greyhounds.
"The dogs get no personal attention"
I remember when I first met Hugh Carney, a part- owner and Racing Secretary of the the Seabook, NH racetrack, and himself a former thoroughbred trainer.
When we shook hands, he shouted out to the others present, "Now here's a man who knows how to work with his dogs!". I knew what he meant right away, and took the compliment gladly.
You see, he could tell I was a hands-on trainer, by the extreme roughness of my hands, which were that way because of the strong liniments a trainer uses to rub down and massage his greyhounds. He knew that because of his own background with horses.
Naturally, a trainer has to treat each greyhound as an individual athlete and personality, which is precisely what they are. They all have their own quirks and routines, which a smart trainer picks up on, and uses to make them more comfortable and relaxed. A trainer wants to make every greyhound in his kennel, irrespective of their abilities, feel like they are an All American caliber racer.
Their personalities develop from moment one, on the farm, where they are whelped and bred, under the auspices and multi-daily ministrations of the breeder, their families, and the farm employees. Greyhounds are usually always intimately familiar with at least a half a dozen people during their early upbringing, where they are raised in a natural "pack" situation, remaining with their mothers far longer than the whelps of any other breed.
They have constant human interaction, as any other dog would, but with more of a focus on playing "chasing" games, as they are gradually encouraged to engage in this natural behavior as often as is safely and constructively possible, right up to the time they are ready to begin racetrack preparations.
They are groomed and trained to lead and walk like any other dog, and periodically, go to see their friend the veterinarian, like any other dog.
At about a year, to 13 months of age, most are introduced to a kennel environment that is a rough simulation of the racing kennels they will enter in the not-too-distant future. They begin, also, to "school" for racing, in earnest. Bi-weekly visits to the training track are the norm, where they encounter new people and strange greyhounds.
When they are ready to begin their racing careers, they meet their new handlers, and, at the racetrack, they encounter the judges, the vet, the scale clerks, the leadouts and the public----twice a week, at most tracks.
Their racing regimen includes grooming and rubdowns the day before, the day of and the day after a race, as well as exercise in between races, if necessary. They have abundant kennel mates and kennel help with whom to interact, and seldom spend a day when they are not the center of attention for their part of it.
People come to visit the kennel all the time, often the owners of the greyhound, or other trainers....and many trainers' spouses and/or children are often involved in doing some of the kennel chores.
Greyhounds are pretty much thoroughly socialized by the time they get to the track, and almost always, when they are ready for retirement. What anti-racing groups, in their relentless and ill-conceived propaganda, often cite as "lack of socialization", is actually a matter of habituation.
All canines are creatures of habit. They like routine, and they like punctuality. Trainers learn this in the very earliest stages of their careers, if they wish to have a career.
When a racing greyhound is sent to an adoptive family, he must cope with a monumental paradigm change and upheaval in his routine, with which he has become thoroughly comfortable over the course of his racing career.
Everything he encounters in his new environment is strange to him, from the intimidating stairs he will learn to negotiate, to the couch he will soon claim as his own. The greyhound has to become habituated to his new routine and his new home environment.
The fact that greyhounds are able to, in most cases, make this quantum leap of habituation without too much difficulty, is a tribute to their high levels of socialization, and the trust they have learned to place in the humans that they had previously known.
Anti-racing ideologues commonly mistake issues of socialization with the challenges of paradigm change and habituation in their diatribes and propaganda. Whether this is a matter of complete ignorance, or of purposefully contrived disinformation, it is food for thought, either way, considering their irresponsible agenda.
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http://www.hsus.org/pets/issues_affecting_our_pets/running_for_their_lives_the_realities_of_greyhound_racing/greyhound_racing_facts.html
The Humane Society calls greyhound racing animal abuse.
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If you don't think race horses are severly mistreated your a little lost. At least with greyhounds when they are done racing kind and good people adopt some of them and they make solid family pets....I don't know of that many people capable of adopting horses for a variety of reasons.
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Now, as for those myths and legends...
Common Myth #1: Greyhounds are hyper dogs that have to run every day. Retired racing Greyhounds typically sleep about 18 hours a day (more if you let them). "Hyper" is not a word we would even consider applying to a Greyhound. They are commonly referred to as 45 mile per hour couch potatoes. The fact is they don't HAVE to run at all, although they do relish a good sprint once in a while. If you want to see hyper, take a look at Lucky and Kristy's step-sister Zoe the Smooth Fox Terrier. OY VEY!!!
Common Myth #2: Greyhounds are abused and mistreated at the track. Greyhound racing in the U.S. is a business, not a Mel Brooks movie. You make money in business by winning, not by losing. You win at Greyhound racing with a healthy dog. Greyhounds are generally well cared for while actively racing. They may not enjoy the quality of life a dog deserves while on the track, but since it's the only life they know, they are not unhappy animals. Once adopted they quickly figure out what they've been missing and seem truly grateful for the new life they have been given.
Common Myth #3: Greyhounds are large dogs that need lots of space to live in. Well, they are not Chihuahuas, but they are indoor dogs. Greyhounds have virtually no body fat so outdoor temperatures to either extreme are not tolerable to them. Even if you live in a house with a fenced yard, the dog will have to live indoors. We lived in a two bedroom condo at one time and Porcia was very happy and comfortable there. The uninitiated are always amazed at how "small" a sleeping 65 pound Greyhound can be.
Common Myth #4: Greyhounds do not get along with other animals. Well, this one is sometimes true. In some Greyhounds the "Prey Drive" is so strong that they can not live in homes with other animals. Most Greys, however, will get along quite well with other dogs, cats (Porcia loved cats) and other small animals. When they first come off the track they do not necessarily recognize other breeds as dogs, so if you have dogs of another breed there will be a learning curve to contend with. Want Proof? Click here.
Common Myth #5: Greyhounds are "Special Needs" dogs that require a lot of your time. This one is the absolute truth! Greyhounds do have special needs. They NEED at least a couple of soft places to sleep. They NEED love and affection from their humans. They NEED to be fed every day. As for demanding a lot of your time; if you want to sit and watch your Greyhound sleep 18 hours a day, well, fine. Frankly YOU probably NEED to get a hobby.
Common Myth #6: All retired Greyhound adoption groups are the same. This is a really tough one. All retired Greyhounds deserve a good home and a long pampered life. However, if you are considering adopting, carefully examine the group you are adopting from. Examine their values and procedures. Examine their motives. ASK QUESTIONS! Above all, make sure you know all that is known about the dog you are adopting (which may not be much in many cases) and make sure the dog's personality is a good match for your lifestyle. Just as with any breed, certain individual Greyhounds may have health or personality issues that you should know about before making a decision. Don't just choose the first dog that runs up and licks your chin. These dogs have already been through a lot of undeserved stress before they move into our homes. They do not need to be put through even more by being returned to the adoption group because the adopter wasn't aware of something about the dog or the breed.
Common Myth #7: Greyhounds are not dogs. They are actually cyborg robots sent by aliens from Alpha Centauri to invade human sleeping spaces and thereby deprive us of sleep so that we don't notice the Alpha Centaurians when they raid our washing machines and steal one sock from each pair of argyles they find. This is not a common myth at all. We just made it up because we wanted to have seven myths on this list. (But think about it...)
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They may not enjoy the quality of life a dog deserves while on the track, but since it's the only life they know, they are not unhappy animals. Once adopted they quickly figure out what they've been missing and seem truly grateful for the new life they have been given.
gee, thankfully people like you can give them a shitty life so they them may enjoy a good life IF THEY ARE LUCKY AND GET ADOPTED WHEN DONE RACING.
http://www.greyhoundracingsucks.com/index.htm (http://www.greyhoundracingsucks.com/index.htm)
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Don't like the greyhound appearance....different strokes for different folks I guess, and while your dog looks solid what is the point of claiming "has WAY more muscle than any dog" you seem to be somewhat knowledgable in regards to canines so you know thats not true, even if you've never owned a presa or a dogo just take a look at one it's apples and oranges, and it's inevitable that when done racing and out of condition (losing some muscle gaining some fat) your dog will have a very different look.
What are the chances Getbig would have it's own resident greyhound expert waiting in the wings to contradict Adonis's claims regarding his newest hobby? Just your luck, Adonis. LOL This board never fails to trip me out. ;D
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What are the chances Getbig would have it's own resident greyhound expert waiting in the wings to contradict Adonis's claims regarding his newest hobby? Just your luck, Adonis. LOL This board never fails to trip me out. ;D
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Greyhound racing in the U.S. is a business, not a Mel Brooks movie. You make money in business by winning, not by losing. You win at Greyhound racing with a healthy dog. Greyhounds are generally well cared for while actively racing. They may not enjoy the quality of life a dog deserves while on the track, but since it's the only life they know, they are not unhappy animals.
Generaly well cared for. A lot of wiggle room there Adonis huh?
What would we do without your quicky course in economics? Of course these animals suffer but they do it for the sake of capitalism. How did I not see that? Why we should exploit as many animals as we can for as much money as possible. Who cares about those stupid creatures, they are money making machines!!!!!!!!!!!!
Also Adonis, The Greyhound industry did not start the adoption thing until they were publicly pressured by animal rights groups to do so. Do not make it seem otherwise. They got owned and they were not happy about it because thats how the whole expose of their evil ways got out to the public. Good hearted owners of adopted grey hounds are spreading the word street corner by street corner, dog park by dog park. The good ole fashioned American way for social change.
And dont make it sound like every abandoned dog gets adopted because there are simply not enough people willing to adopt all the greyhound dogs that are abandoned by the racing industry, there are still a huge amount of animals being killed after their few months of service. Its sounds to me your are desperately seeking a way to justify your vested interest, selfish interests and underlying doubts. You remind me the religious nuts that you and I battle here often.
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http://www.greyhoundracingsucks.com/grs_statistics.htm
thanks flower.
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I already have a Greyhound. Yes this is true about their muscles. Another neat fact is that they run solely on ATP and not Oxygen during the inital part of their sprints. We don`t have that ability.
My grey is a champion racer, Mambo King aka Darwin, has WAY more muscle than any dog.
brutal ribs
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looking at these bully whippets I can't help but imagine how bodybuilding is going to change when real myostatin inhibition becomes availible.
btw, this one is a bitch:
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/94/MyostatinMutantWhippet.jpg)
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What are the chances Getbig would have it's own resident greyhound expert waiting in the wings to contradict Adonis's claims regarding his newest hobby? Just your luck, Adonis. LOL This board never fails to trip me out. ;D
I know I love it. APenis tries to pulls some "off the wall" subject and pretends he is an expert then get OWNED big time by someone who obviously does know about the sport and greyhounds. I love it!
Plus all he does is his famous Cut&Paste shit again argue the point he is lying and the other guy knows what he is talking about off the top of his head. I love it.
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I saw a dog race once when I was in Florida. Not sure where, I keep thinking by a town Hialeha or something like that but not sure. I been everywhere there so I get mixed up. It was in 1988 or so
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http://www.greyhounds.org/news/press_room/news.php (http://www.greyhounds.org/news/press_room/news.php)
CHARGES DISMISSED AGAINST CO-CONSPIRATORS IN NOTORIOUS GREYHOUND KILLING CASE
Jan 25, 2005 - Greyhound Protection League Blasts Alabama's Poor Greyhound Welfare Record
Bay Minette, Alabama - Baldwin County District Attorney, David Whetstone has been forced to request a dismissal of animal cruelty charges against three of the defendants in the greyhound-killing case that garnered national attention in 2002. The State's case against the alleged perpetrators has suffered numerous setbacks over the past two and a half years in spite of Whetstone's aggressive pursuit of justice.
The first blow was the death of triggerman, Robert Rhodes who died a year after he admitted to a lifetime occupation as a killer of thousands of unprofitable racing greyhounds. Rhodes had identified four Florida greyhound trainers as co-conspirators. A judge ruled earlier this month that Rhodes' death rendered his testimony against the others inadmissible. Co-defendant, Clarence Patterson, now refuses to substantiate statements he previously made against the other three. Consequently, charges have been dropped against defendants: Ursula O'Donnell, Paul Discolo Jr. and John Wilson Smith. It is doubtful that Whetstone will exercise his option to prosecute Patterson based on earlier self-incriminating statements he made to authorities.
"Although nearly 20,000 greyhounds disappear every year, the Rhodes case was the most visible, large scale greyhound-killing case to go public in years," said Greyhound Protection League President, Susan Netboy. "The case has been closely followed by everyone in the industry and, in the end, the only message that's been sent is that racing greyhounds can be killed with impunity. Sadly, the only justice for these poor dogs is that Rhodes didn't take his terrible secret to his grave."
The Greyhound Protection League considers the Alabama legislatures' recent passage of a bill that exempts illegal greyhound killing from the felony animal abuse statute as a reflection of the State's utter disregard for the welfare of its racing greyhounds. Netboy points out that Alabama is home to three dog tracks none of which makes a credible effort to find homes for the thousands of racing greyhounds that flow through its dog tracks annually.
Citing the recent airing of a national television expose that focused on the mass euthanasia of greyhounds near the Mobile track and the Rhodes case, Netboy says: "Alabama has taken center stage as one of the nation's worst offenders in its lack of concern for the lives of racing greyhounds."
The Greyhound Protection League is a California based, national, greyhound welfare organization.
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JULY 2005 LETTER TO THE EDITOR
Jul 28, 2005 - Dear Editor,
While the Star’s July 24th premise that greyhounds at Tucson Greyhound Park (TGP) suffer from neglect solely because of a decline in racing revenue appears logical on the surface, other factors are borne out by my personal experiences with Tucson greyhounds and by documented facts.
Our adoption organization, Greyhound Friends For Life, rescued several hundred greyhounds that came directly from TGP to California from 1991 through 1997. The greyhounds were consistently in poor condition and infested with fleas, ticks and internal parasites when they arrived.
News reports and court records document the following:
1991, a hundred starving greyhounds were seized from a Tucson kennel operator.
1992, seven neglected greyhounds were seized by animal control.
During the 1990’s, dozens of Tucson greyhounds were sold for research and truckloads of greyhounds were routinely euthanized at Pima County Animal Control.
Sadly, since the track’s heyday in the early 1990’s through to the present, TGP greyhounds have been rewarded for their service with substandard care, abuse and death.
Susan Netboy, Founder
Greyhound Friends For Life
PO Box 669
Penn Valley, CA 95946
530.432.1391
PROOF:
http://www.greyhounds.org/gpl/contents/proof.html (http://www.greyhounds.org/gpl/contents/proof.html)
http://www.greyhounds.org/gpl/contents/entry.html (http://www.greyhounds.org/gpl/contents/entry.html)
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wow
I read that greyhounds actually run differently than other dogs, the gait is different.
Flower what does your post have to do with anything? Some (most) greyhounds are mistreated, that is bad, surely though you don't intend to condemn all sight hounds because of this?
I'm not condemning the dog, just the racing of them at racetracks because they are treated disposable.
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Partial to ABs myself.....
http://www.kiwsabs.com/icon/icon_main.htm
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Partial to ABs myself.....
http://www.kiwsabs.com/icon/icon_main.htm
thats the way a bulldog should look, not like most of the so called bulldogs today who are so grossly deformed they can barely get around.
Still though, imagine that dog with myostatin switched off. game over lights out.
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I already have a Greyhound. Yes this is true about their muscles. Another neat fact is that they run solely on ATP and not Oxygen during the inital part of their sprints. We don`t have that ability.
My grey is a champion racer, Mambo King aka Darwin, has WAY more muscle than any dog.
how is the sex? does he bite you during "love making"
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Common Myth #7: Greyhounds are not dogs. They are actually cyborg robots sent by aliens from Alpha Centauri to invade human sleeping spaces and thereby deprive us of sleep so that we don't notice the Alpha Centaurians when they raid our washing machines and steal one sock from each pair of argyles they find. This is not a common myth at all. We just made it up because we wanted to have seven myths on this list. (But think about it...)
Thanks man! You learn something new everyday
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I'm not condemning the dog, just the racing of them at racetracks because they are treated disposable.
exactly,
When money and animals are involved you can rest assured that somehow somewhere the animals are being hurt. To these people animals are disposable, money making objects with no sentinence, not value, no worth, other than for their own advancement and gain.
It is a shame Adonis is acting like a paid shell for the Greyhound industry.
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exactly,
When money and animals are involved you can rest assured that somehow somewhere the animals are being hurt. To these people animals are disposable, money making objects with no sentinence, not value, no worth, other than for their own advancement and gain.
It is a shame Adonis is acting like a paid shell for the Greyhound industry.
NYCBULL, give me your number if you are ever in the area I would like you to come check out some FACTS about Greyhounds. You have been misled and so has the general public.
Actually, you can go visit any farm freely and you will see the truth. Don`t believe the propaganda. I am a staunch supporter of animal rights and believe that they should be considered under the same Laws and protections as humans. I believe animals should have complete and full equal rights.
Greyhounds love nothing more than to run and race. They are HIGHLY competitive as are the snow dogs in the Iditarod. It breaks their heart if they cannot run.
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Click to get to links supporting the DISAPPEARANCE of "retired" racing greyhounds.
http://www.greyhounds.org/gpl/contents/reward/ (http://www.greyhounds.org/gpl/contents/reward/)
The reward is now at $10,238
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February 23, 2006
To: Colorado Division of Racing
Attn: Mr. Dan Hartman
From: Susan Netboy
Re: Tucson Greyhound Park’s use of Colorado as a “dumping ground” for uncompetitive racing greyhounds.
Dear Mr. Hartman,
Based on reports we have received from a number of unrelated sources, the Greyhound Protection League has been conducting an inquiry into the activities of your licensee, Richard Favreau. Mr. Favreau has apparently entered into business dealings with Tucson Greyhound Park (TGP) management to assist them in their efforts to “get rid” of greyhounds that are no longer profitable at their Arizona racing facility.Having exhausted the capacity of Mexican dog tracks to absorb their excess pets, TGP is now using nearby racing states and the services of people like Mr. Favreau to relieve themselves of their ethical responsibilities to their grade-offs.
We have been advised that over the last few months as many as 100 Tucson greyhounds have been transported by Mr. Favreau to his property in Calhan, Colorado, where he operates a breeding and training facility. To date, there is no reliable verification as to what has happened to these greyhounds.
We are also aware that this past weekend, Mr. Favreau and an associate transported an additional 30 greyhounds from the Tucson kennel compound to his Colorado facility.
TGP management claims that they are sending their greyhounds to Colorado for adoption. If this is the case, TGP management, Mr. Favreau, and the Colorado adoption organizations should be able to provide documentation on each of the greyhounds that have been hauled from the Tucson racing facility by Mr. Favreau.
While we would question the wisdom of hauling pet greyhounds to a racing state that already has an overabundance of greyhounds, we would none-the-less applaud any sincere effort to save the lives of greyhounds. However, if the greyhounds were hauled out of Arizona so that they would “disappear”, be sold for rabbit or coyote hunting, for medical research, or some other unacceptable fate, we would find it necessary to intervene. Since no reasonable explanation has as yet been set forth, we find it necessary to request your assistance.
The Greyhound Protection League is herein submitting a formal request that your agency open an investigation into the final disposition of TGP greyhounds that are ending up in your jurisdiction. We would appreciate your obtaining and forwarding to us the following information:
1. Disposition records including full identification of all the greyhounds that have been hauled out of TGP kennel facilities by Mr. Favreau or his associates.
2. A sworn statement from Mr. Favreau as to the whereabouts of the TGP greyhounds that he hauled out of Tucson.
3. A verifiable accounting of where each of those greyhounds is currently located.
4. Ownership and identification of all greyhounds currently on the Favreau property.
5. An assessment of the condition of the greyhounds and Mr. Favreau’s ability to properly care for animals on his property.
6. A sworn statement from Mr. Favreau regarding what he intends to do with the TGP greyhounds housed on his property.
We greatly appreciate your looking into this matter and look forward to hearing from you. Please feel free to call me if you have any questions or if I can be of any assistance.
Sincerely,
Susan Netboy, President
Greyhound Protection League
530.432.1391
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Sorry, but these isolated incidents are not a result from racing.
It is a result from mistreatment.
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NYCBULL, give me your number if you are ever in the area I would like you to come check out some FACTS about Greyhounds. You have been misled and so has the general public.
Actually, you can go visit any farm freely and you will see the truth. Don`t believe the propaganda. I am a staunch supporter of animal rights and believe that they should be considered under the same Laws and protections as humans. I believe animals should have complete and full equal rights.
Greyhounds love nothing more than to run and race. They are HIGHLY competitive as are the snow dogs in the Iditarod. It breaks their heart if they cannot run.
One, I cant tell if your pulling my leg, and Two you just stated in your last myth busters post that greyhounds don't really like running, just a sprint here and there will do.
Also, propaganda can only come from people with vested intersts, they have the most to lose. Animal rights people have nothing invested and make no profit at all, so although they may be annoying biting at your heals they have no real reason to lie or make up stories.
I am sure there are good people in the industry and you sound like you are one of them. I am not for aboloshing it. I want them to be accountable and responsible for all of their dogs not just the ones that win. There needs to be serious ethical reforms made.
It sounds like you are a great owner and will treat your dogs good and maybe you will make a change for the better on the inside of the industry.
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Research Greyhounds and you will find that they are the most CALM and docile animals which is also synonymous with HIGH intelligence.
I love my Grey, he is striated with beautiful muslces and veiny all over. Its really an impressive sight to see.
absolutely true....greyhounds are excellent pets and although they are very athletic, they are also couch potatoes
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Loser should be killed. Who's with me?!?!?
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Sorry, but these isolated incidents are not a result from racing.
It is a result from mistreatment.
You are right, these dogs didn't starve while they were running a race:
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=153065.0;attach=171019;image)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=153065.0;attach=171021;image)
These ones weren't killed while running a race:
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=153065.0;attach=171018;image)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=153065.0;attach=171020;image)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=153065.0;attach=171017;image)
and these ones died at a lab where they were sent when they were of no use anymore:
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=153065.0;attach=171023;image)
and I doubt all those ticks hopped on as they were cruising by on the track:
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=153065.0;attach=171022;image)
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i do have to say though, that no dog is better than a Staffordshire Bull Terrier....kick ass dog and fucking clowns, mine cracks me up daily
people always think she is a pitbull, they are related but not the same
unlike all the thugs, i didn't buy this breed for status(http://www1.istockphoto.com/file_thumbview_approve/2634255/2/istockphoto_2634255_staffordshire_bull_terrier.jpg)
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my pitbul would crush your santas little helper in a dog fight .....
lets meet up at my boy Vick's house ...
let me guess, you are either black or asian....you are a piece of shit
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#2 Testimony from another former employee of the Raynham-Taunton Greyhound Park in Massachusetts:
As an assistant trainer at the Raynham Taunton Greyhound Park I walked into a racing dog kennel for the first time, stunned by over 90 wire cages that lay tucked inside one of the many buildings on the compound. I had not expected this many dogs to be partly my responsibility. I wondered how one or two trainers could possibly care for all these dogs. I soon found out the answer; they couldn't.
I would sweep the kennel, feed the dogs, turn them out, take them to get weighed-in, and clean them up after they raced. I frequently found myself rushing to finish with a dog's feet so as to be able to get the next dog in time after a race. After racing, the Greyhound's feet need rinsing and even scrubbing to get the dirt out. Often times, however, because it is too time-consuming to individually clean out the nail bed of each toe, dirt, blood and grime are left behind causing infections. Even though some trainers explained to me that the dog's feet are taken care of when there is more time, perhaps the next day, I would often notice dogs with removed toenails, "cuticles" that were a quarter inch away from the nail because of blood and dirt that were left behind, and even in cases where the web between the dog's toes was so neglected and infected that one could not separate the toes without the heart wrenching yelp. I soon found this to be commonplace here.
Though the canine's paws are often the most obvious signs of their suffering, there are other things that the industry considers insignificant which are blatantly unacceptable. Each dog races about every six days. It is true that the dogs spend approximately twenty-two hours a day in a small cage. Their raw meat mixed with kibble makes them sick with diarrhea and vomiting quite often. I was witness to dogs being dragged by the neck out of cages and trucks when they were too scared to make the four-foot jump. Tick-infested dogs were also common and what I found to be the most unbelievable were the trainers who considered themselves experts in the veterinary field. For instance, at one point I was made to hold a dog while a trainer gripped its paw and proceeded to tear out a wart of some kind that had gone unnoticed for a very long time. The dog's paw poured blood from the hole that was left when the roots of this thing were pried out. He put something on to stop the bleeding and wrapped the foot tightly in tape. I asked how he would be and was told he better be okay since he had to race the next night.
Blood on the kennel cement floor is also commonplace. It kind of let me know what I was in for with this job. I started driving home at night with the radio turned off. I had so much to think about. It seemed as though so much horror was not only being dismissed, but also considered acceptable in the first place!
None of it seemed acceptable to me, though. Even the dark yellow color of the water they often drink and the fact that so many of them are forced to wear their muzzles all night and day to prevent nipping at cage roofs was so obviously abuse to me. The muzzles would leave sores on their noses and their teeth become so grimy that one can see only too clearly how the industry's dogs are regarded as machines to be replaced when through working.
The day-to-day lives of these creatures are emotionally draining, physically unhealthy, and lack mental stimulation to say the least. I remember one of the trainers remarking that it was an especially sad existence as he caged the dog for the night.
E. Bastable
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#3 The following testimony is from a Masachusetts dog track employee who wishes to remain anonymous for fear of retribution from his employer:
i have been working at a dog track for a few months now, and what i have seen in these few months is more than i ever want to see. i did hear bad stories about greyhound racing and some things that go on. but i thought that that was rare, or just hear say. i didn't believe that people could be so cruel to do what they are doing to these dogs. i took this job because it has great hours, great pay, and i love dogs. i thought that none of that stuff would go on here, but i was unfortunately wrong. i have witnessed, personally; leadouts punching dogs in the head to get them to stand still, i have seen dogs break their legs running (which normally happens a few times a week about). i have lead out dogs that have the tips of their tails missing bleeding not bandaged up, ears bitten off from other dogs still bleeding but forced to run, and when i gave one of the trainers the dog they would after being told that a chunk of the ear was missing would say "i know" and just rip the muzzle off with no mercy. the other day there was a dog with dirt, ear mites, and black earwax or something packed in the dogs ear, the trainer got a warning that next time it would be scratched and the dog still runs. there was a dog about a month ago that had a very deep gash on its rear right leg. the vet was called in the paddock to look at it, and stuck his finger inside the gash to feel if the bone was broken. he then walked the dog around the paddock for 5 minutes or so to make sure the dog wouldn't limp and look like it was hurt. the dog was limping but it wasn't very noticeable so he ran, during the race he ran on 3 legs and came in last.
a few weeks ago a leadout quit because of her conscience. she told me that she had seen a dog the night before she quit take a turn too wide and run head on into a pole, killed himself instantly. she saw a leadout run onto the track pick up the dog and walk it off. that leadout had one of his arms covered in blood, but refused to wash it off and made a comment on it was kinda cool. this was i think the 8th race out of 13, he ended up keeping the blood on his arm even when he went home. she confronted him about it and he just said "yeah, yeah ill do it later when i get home" even though he had plenty of time to wash it off after that race.
i also would like to say that this doesn't happen every race. maybe an incident that bad would happen once every few weeks. but stuff that the trainers do happens all the time. not all of them do it but one too many do. I've heard stories on how a dog got a heavy gage wire put in the shaft of his penis to stop him from gaining sexual arousal that very
very thought makes me nauseous. Saturday night, a dog was a pound overweight so they wouldn't let the dog race. but they gave the trainer 5 minutes and tried it again. in 5 minutes that dog lost 3/4 of a pound. i don't know how but i can only imagine, i heard that trainer talking about how dogs don't like tea and how it works.
i regret the fact that i have to write this anonymously, i am actually kind of nervous even writing this fearing that i will receive some sort of retaliation from gamblers or people at the track. after hearing this u are probably wondering why i am still working at a place with this horrible atmosphere. i am kind of tied into working here. i need a lot of money for school, insurance, etc. and this job is pretty much the most paying job i can find with these hours. the minute i can find a job with these hours and pay i'm quitting. the reason why i am participating in this with kitty is because of my conscience. i cannot just walk away or just sit there without saying anything. what is happening to these dogs is wrong. in my eyes just the very fact that these dogs are caged up most of their lives and forced to run, and then shot when cant perform is very wrong. i can talk for hours on things that I have seen. these things are just a few. thank u for your time, and im sorry i could not make it to this hearing.
RACER, "TUNE ME IN" BLED TO DEATH WITH FATAL INJURIES AFTER BEING HIT BY THE MECHANICAL LURE ARM at the Naples-Ft. Myers track during an evening race on February 23, 2000. Eyewitnesses told greyhound advocates that Tune Me In appeared to be in great pain and distress as evidenced by her screams and cries which went on for some time before track personnel responded. By the time euthanasia was performed, the dog, who was in agony for over 30 minutes, was almost dead. An investigation by the Florida Division of Pari-Mutuel Wagering determined that no violation of any rules or statutes had taken place. GPL Florida representatives have formally questioned the gross omissions and trivialization of the horrendous incident by state racing officials, including failure to interview any of the eyewitnesses and failure to review the accident on track videotape.
Source: Naples Daily News/ March 16, 2000, Florida Greyhound Protection Research Files
State By State Abuse:
http://www.greyhoundracingsucks.com/grs_statesthatallowLinks.htm (http://www.greyhoundracingsucks.com/grs_statesthatallowLinks.htm)
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let me guess, you are either black or asian....you are a piece of shit
im both , im a nigerazian....
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One, I cant tell if your pulling my leg, and Two you just stated in your last myth busters post that greyhounds don't really like running, just a sprint here and there will do.
Also, propaganda can only come from people with vested intersts, they have the most to lose. Animal rights people have nothing invested and make no profit at all, so although they may be annoying biting at your heals they have no real reason to lie or make up stories.
I am sure there are good people in the industry and you sound like you are one of them. I am not for aboloshing it. I want them to be accountable and responsible for all of their dogs not just the ones that win. There needs to be serious ethical reforms made.
It sounds like you are a great owner and will treat your dogs good and maybe you will make a change for the better on the inside of the industry.
Sprints are running! A dog usually races every three to seven days. The rest of the time is spent sleeping mostly. haha
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thats the way a bulldog should look, not like most of the so called bulldogs today who are so grossly deformed they can barely get around.
Still though, imagine that dog with myostatin switched off. game over lights out.
Function should always precede form in a working animal. I got two Hines bitches, and one Hines male, all are much smaller than the 150 lb mutants with the heads the size of a watermelon. But man can they work. 2 hours is just getting started, with drives that would make most professional athletes look like chumps. They love pulling, bite work, running, wrestling. I pity the crack addict who attempts to enter my home.
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My boy Samson is ripped like Munzer :)
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Heres the real beast :D
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Sprints are running! A dog usually races every three to seven days. The rest of the time is spent sleeping mostly. haha
Sleeping mostly? Do you mean they don't train the dogs. They are put out on the track and they just run. Are you really that stupid to think we believe you. You have already been proven to know nothing about this subject except for what you cut and paste. Dude you have been ousted
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Sleeping mostly? Do you mean they don't train the dogs. They are put out on the track and they just run. Are you really that stupid to think we believe you. You have already been proven to know nothing about this subject except for what you cut and paste. Dude you have been ousted
He was trying to get out the first contradiction only to create another one. He will not admit that the industry is far from perfect in the treatment of dogs and thats just the winners, the losers are thrown out with the trash. He reminds me of very religious people who cannot see hypocrisy but would rather comfort themselves with blind faith.
Furthermore, Adonis, your shoving this WASPy hobby of the upper class on the people here is just your way of trying to seperate yourself from the people here who you percieve as lower class. But why are you so insecure, if you are upper class or trying to appear as though you are why flaunt it?. Why not keep it to yourself?.
It seems to me you get more satisfaction at rebelling against class than anything, but why cant you make up your mind?. You rebel againts middle class and working class people by flaunting your fancy foods and wines, and high brow hobbies and then you rebel against the upper class folks you try to hang out with by being the dilitante, the weight lifter in blue collar clothes, the guy dating a mixed race girl.
Which is it Adonis, What class are you?
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He was trying to get out the first contradiction only to create another one. He will not admit that the industry is far from perfect in the treatment of dogs and thats just the winners, the losers are thrown out with the trash. He reminds me of very religious people who cannot see hypocrisy but would rather comfort themselves with blind faith.
Furthermore, Adonis, your shoving this WASPy hobby of the upper class on the people here is just your way of trying to seperate yourself from the people here who you percieve as lower class. But why are you so insecure, if you are upper class or trying to appear as though you are why flaunt it?. Why not keep it to yourself?.
It seems to me you get more satisfaction at rebelling against class than anything, but why cant you make up your mind?. You rebel againts middle class and working class people by flaunting your fancy foods and wines, and high brow hobbies and then you rebel against the upper class folks you try to hang out with by being the dilitante, the weight lifter in blue collar clothes, the guy dating a mixed race girl.
Which is it Adonis, What class are you?
Mixed race? Where did that one come from?
Trust me, I believe animals should have the same rights as humans as humans are no better than any other animal. Humans are animals. In fact, most animals are way more evolved than humans, especially for the only thing that matters, survival.
If I saw ANY mistreatment in anyway, I would be the first to call it out and champion against it. I don`t believe man is above animals in any way. In fact, I have been thinking of starting a petition to release animals that are to be euthanized at animal shelters, cats, dog etc... into the wild as an alternative. At least they will have a chance.
The worst abuse comes from the Pet stores you see at the mall and the breeders who send dogs to them. With Greyhounds it`s totally different. Each one is worth thousands and NO they ARE NOT tossed out like trash. I have yet to see one case of it in recent times. Agreed I am new to all of this, but I still haven`t seen it. I have seen dogs from all tracks and yet to see one with any inkling of abuse.
Greyhound farms and kennels are all open to the public even as are the tracks. The TRACKS even REQUIRE that the dogs be given homes after racing. Seriously, you need to read up a bit on the whole thing, rather than buy into the scare tactics of PETA, who here in MY STATE dumped EUTHANIZED DOGS and CATS by the thousands in the dumpster from their walk-in freezer in VIRGINA. Mind you, PETA is supposed to be finding homes for these animals and is supposed to be no kill, but yet they buy huge Walk-In freezers for the storage of dead animals. Consider the source.
Also, feel free to visit any track or greyhound kennel or farm. Don`t make your mind up until you see ALL THE EVIDENCE FROM BOTH SIDES. You will learn the truth if you do so.
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Sleeping mostly? Do you mean they don't train the dogs. They are put out on the track and they just run. Are you really that stupid to think we believe you. You have already been proven to know nothing about this subject except for what you cut and paste. Dude you have been ousted
"Dude",
They sleep more than they train. They sleep more than they do anything aside from being a loving companion.
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#3 The following testimony is from a Masachusetts dog track employee who wishes to remain anonymous for fear of retribution from his employer:
i have been working at a dog track for a few months now, and what i have seen in these few months is more than i ever want to see. i did hear bad stories about greyhound racing and some things that go on. but i thought that that was rare, or just hear say. i didn't believe that people could be so cruel to do what they are doing to these dogs. i took this job because it has great hours, great pay, and i love dogs. i thought that none of that stuff would go on here, but i was unfortunately wrong. i have witnessed, personally; leadouts punching dogs in the head to get them to stand still, i have seen dogs break their legs running (which normally happens a few times a week about). i have lead out dogs that have the tips of their tails missing bleeding not bandaged up, ears bitten off from other dogs still bleeding but forced to run, and when i gave one of the trainers the dog they would after being told that a chunk of the ear was missing would say "i know" and just rip the muzzle off with no mercy. the other day there was a dog with dirt, ear mites, and black earwax or something packed in the dogs ear, the trainer got a warning that next time it would be scratched and the dog still runs. there was a dog about a month ago that had a very deep gash on its rear right leg. the vet was called in the paddock to look at it, and stuck his finger inside the gash to feel if the bone was broken. he then walked the dog around the paddock for 5 minutes or so to make sure the dog wouldn't limp and look like it was hurt. the dog was limping but it wasn't very noticeable so he ran, during the race he ran on 3 legs and came in last.
a few weeks ago a leadout quit because of her conscience. she told me that she had seen a dog the night before she quit take a turn too wide and run head on into a pole, killed himself instantly. she saw a leadout run onto the track pick up the dog and walk it off. that leadout had one of his arms covered in blood, but refused to wash it off and made a comment on it was kinda cool. this was i think the 8th race out of 13, he ended up keeping the blood on his arm even when he went home. she confronted him about it and he just said "yeah, yeah ill do it later when i get home" even though he had plenty of time to wash it off after that race.
i also would like to say that this doesn't happen every race. maybe an incident that bad would happen once every few weeks. but stuff that the trainers do happens all the time. not all of them do it but one too many do. I've heard stories on how a dog got a heavy gage wire put in the shaft of his penis to stop him from gaining sexual arousal that very
very thought makes me nauseous. Saturday night, a dog was a pound overweight so they wouldn't let the dog race. but they gave the trainer 5 minutes and tried it again. in 5 minutes that dog lost 3/4 of a pound. i don't know how but i can only imagine, i heard that trainer talking about how dogs don't like tea and how it works.
i regret the fact that i have to write this anonymously, i am actually kind of nervous even writing this fearing that i will receive some sort of retaliation from gamblers or people at the track. after hearing this u are probably wondering why i am still working at a place with this horrible atmosphere. i am kind of tied into working here. i need a lot of money for school, insurance, etc. and this job is pretty much the most paying job i can find with these hours. the minute i can find a job with these hours and pay i'm quitting. the reason why i am participating in this with kitty is because of my conscience. i cannot just walk away or just sit there without saying anything. what is happening to these dogs is wrong. in my eyes just the very fact that these dogs are caged up most of their lives and forced to run, and then shot when cant perform is very wrong. i can talk for hours on things that I have seen. these things are just a few. thank u for your time, and im sorry i could not make it to this hearing.
RACER, "TUNE ME IN" BLED TO DEATH WITH FATAL INJURIES AFTER BEING HIT BY THE MECHANICAL LURE ARM at the Naples-Ft. Myers track during an evening race on February 23, 2000. Eyewitnesses told greyhound advocates that Tune Me In appeared to be in great pain and distress as evidenced by her screams and cries which went on for some time before track personnel responded. By the time euthanasia was performed, the dog, who was in agony for over 30 minutes, was almost dead. An investigation by the Florida Division of Pari-Mutuel Wagering determined that no violation of any rules or statutes had taken place. GPL Florida representatives have formally questioned the gross omissions and trivialization of the horrendous incident by state racing officials, including failure to interview any of the eyewitnesses and failure to review the accident on track videotape.
Source: Naples Daily News/ March 16, 2000, Florida Greyhound Protection Research Files
State By State Abuse:
http://www.greyhoundracingsucks.com/grs_statesthatallowLinks.htm (http://www.greyhoundracingsucks.com/grs_statesthatallowLinks.htm)
i just cannot believe how people can be so fucking cruel to animals....makes me angry and sick....
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Both.
I am going to get him into Lure Coursing.
I have videos of all his races as well. I will post them on my Youtube shortly! I will take some new pics today from the field. You will see how crazy he looks!
are you even leaner than your dog?
honestly...you're a grade "a", first class tool.
now go sell some purses on e-bay and drink some expensive wine.
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are you even leaner than your dog?
honestly...you're a grade "a", first class tool.
now go sell some purses on e-bay and drink some expensive wine.
Sure thing buddy.
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great pics
now lets see how many doubters line up to appologize for doubting you.
My prediction: 0
this is why arguing on the internet is not that satisfying, losers rarely acknowledge defeat.
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I already have a Greyhound. Yes this is true about their muscles. Another neat fact is that they run solely on ATP and not Oxygen during the inital part of their sprints. We don`t have that ability.
My grey is a champion racer, Mambo King aka Darwin, has WAY more muscle than any dog.
Wrong. You just defined what is anaerobic activity for any mammals.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anaerobic_respiration
Brutal making up shit, not understanding what C6H12O6 --> 2C3H6O3 means and spending too much time in Junior College
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Heres the real beast :D
Mother of GOD. Is that yours. He looks like a cool Gargoyle ;D
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Wrong. You just defined what is anaerobic activity for any mammals.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anaerobic_respiration
Brutal making up shit, not understanding what C6H12O6 --> 2C3H6O3 means and spending too much time in Junior College
Eating too much means you get fat. You dumb fat thing. hahah
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Eating too much means you get fat. You dumb fat thing. hahah
Are you claiming that Alex23 is wrong, and you are correct, or is this a stupid way to avoid admitting you were wrong? ::)
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Are you claiming that Alex23 is wrong, and you are correct, or is this a stupid way to avoid admitting you were wrong? ::)
I didn`t even bother to read what he wrote to be honest with you.
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I didn`t even bother to read what he wrote to be honest with you.
Attempt #2 at avoiding to admit you make stuff up.
(http://transfertown.com/Boos-Basement-Tees/product_thumb.php?img=images/Boos-Tees-Images/make_stuff.jpg&w=200&h=200)
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Sure thing buddy.
epic legendary runner who destroys everyone in getbig's I and II hahahaha yes!
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how long was this pic taken, if you say now.......... i hope its not your new shape (very different from last getbig :-\ ), you look younger in those pics
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how long was this pic taken, if you say now.......... i hope its not your new shape (very different from last getbig :-\ ), you look younger in those pics
Those are pretty current. I have added about 2 lbs of muscle and effectively shut down the aging process.
Thanks for the compliment!
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Those are pretty current. I have added about 2 lbs of muscle and effectively shut down the aging process.
Thanks for the compliment!
lol ;D
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adam how old are you.....I'm being serious.
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Those are pretty current. I have added about 2 lbs of muscle and effectively shut down the aging process.
Thanks for the compliment!
Dear TA, I am not sure what your BB goals are or reasons to be here on the board. It is perfectly ok to not compete in an actual contest. Lots of guys that love BB never compete. However, when you make endless claims about how great your physique is and never actually "put it on the line" you put yourself in a position of not being taken seriously. Maybe you are just having fun, here at Get BIg and that is also acceptable.
Perhaps, we will meet in person some day and have nice chat about various aspects of bodybuilding.
I sincerely feel that people are often misunderstood "on line" and find it much better to be able to speak in person. Let me know if you are going to be at any shows in the near future. I would enjoy meeting and talking to you in person.
Sincerely, Howard
PS/ You look pretty lean and fit running with your dog. Thanks for posting the pic.Do you ever run in 5k races, you look like you could be a decent runner for a bodybuilder. If by some chance I see you at an event I will be sure to come over and "introduce" myself to you. Here I am again so you will know me by my pic as well.
Stay fit, stay young and enjoy your training TA
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adam how old are you.....I'm being serious.
Take a guess.
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Oops! Those are pictures of my Jezebelle. lol
Howard,
Thanks for the invitation. I used to be a VERY GOOD runner and Swimmer and still am. I still bodybuild as well and continue to put on my natural muscle at about 2-3 lbs a year or so. My goal is to stay VERY,VERY lean and be extremely mobile along with some good,quality muscle. I am also about longevity and getting the most out of life and feeling great.
It would be an honor to meet up with you Howard as you seem like an interesting and rational person to talk to. I could even give you some tips on how to add a few years to your life and how to become super ripped.
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Oops! Those are pictures of my Jezebelle. lol
Howard,
Thanks for the invitation. I used to be a VERY GOOD runner and Swimmer and still am. I still bodybuild as well and continue to put on my natural muscle at about 2-3 lbs a year or so. My goal is to stay VERY,VERY lean and be extremely mobile along with some good,quality muscle. I am also about longevity and getting the most out of life and feeling great.
It would be an honor to meet up with you Howard as you seem like an interesting and rational person to talk to. I could even give you some tips on how to add a few years to your life and how to become super ripped.
Thanks TA, It is ironic that we both are actually into the same thing in terms of fitness /boadybuilding goals.
You have a very lovely lady in the pic. Hey let me know if and when you are going to any shows. I believe you are from the NC area??? is that true/ ? Thanks again, Howard in Ga
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Adonis, I think we are on the same ground here its just that I have learned by experience not to trust any industry that uses animals for profit, they always lie and they will always do what makes them money and that usually means the animals are fucked. From the circus, to zoos, rodeos, to las vegas acts, and on and on. Of course not all the time everywhere but certainly enough to cause grave concern. Whenever there is profit to make off of animals there is always cruelity to a very unexceptable degree. These industries have lost the trust of me and much of the public.
However I will be more open about grey hound racing but flower has posted some pretty clear evidence of the problems in that industry. It may not be that pervasive but to deny it is just ridiculous at this point.
I am not for aboloshing racing all together, but clearly the industry needs to get their priorities straight.
Your dogs look happy and healthy and I hope they do well.
ps. like the name of your dog
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Adonis, I think we are on the same ground here its just that I have learned by experience not to trust any industry that uses animals for profit, they always lie and they will always do what makes them money and that usually means the animals are fucked. From the circus, to zoos, rodeos, to las vegas acts, and on and on. Of course not all the time everywhere but certainly enough to cause grave concern. Whenever there is profit to make off of animals there is always cruelity to a very unexceptable degree. These industries have lost the trust of me and much of the public.
However I will be more open about grey hound racing but flower has posted some pretty clear evidence of the problems in that industry. It may not be that pervasive but to deny it is just ridiculous at this point.
I am not for aboloshing racing all together, but clearly the industry needs to get their priorities straight.
Your dogs look happy and healthy and I hope they do well.
ps. like the name of your dog
Great post here and well thought out. Sadly, when $$ is at stake , many folks have heir ethics and morals go bye bye.
In the case of animals who are in no position to fight back for their rights , I agree it is a very bad behavior.
No, I am no PETA member, but I also can't abide by anyone who would abuse an animal just for a few bucks of convenience
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In fact, most animals are way more evolved than humans, especially for the only thing that matters, survival.
Are you saying the unprecedented intelligence of humans isn't a survival trait? ???
Idiot
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not just great speed....incredible hearing and sight. the world they experience is very different from our own
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dogs would be good test subjects for your theories. they mature from birth to full blown athlete in 2 years. Or am I step behind you on this one?
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Is that a little bald spot I see there TA?