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What is the most importsnt position in football besides quarterback...
To me i think offensive tackle is the most important position...it aint sexy but without a good left tackle. you have nothin....
and on defense..i think its the middle linebacker...he is the one who holds the defense...of you can run over the mike LB your team is fucked
i ask because me and my friend had this argument on sunday...he said corner back is more important (he was a db) but i think you can cover up a sucky corner by running a cover 2 scheme but a bad middle linebacker will get your defense ran all over.
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I would agree with some of this i guess. I don't think the QB is the most important person however. I think it's the offensive line.
If you have a good OL, you can pretty much do anything and they will make your QB, RB's and WR's look good.
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I would agree with some of this i guess. I don't think the QB is the most important person however. I think it's the offensive line.
If you have a good OL, you can pretty much do anything and they will make your QB, RB's and WR's look good.
yeah i agree...the o line is the most important part of the team..i was goin specifically for the position
but the o line can make a running back go from 1500 yards to barely 1000. (see Edgrin James)
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What is the most importsnt position in football besides quarterback...
To me i think offensive tackle is the most important position...it aint sexy but without a good left tackle. you have nothin....
and on defense..i think its the middle linebacker...he is the one who holds the defense...of you can run over the mike LB your team is fucked
i ask because me and my friend had this argument on sunday...he said corner back is more important (he was a db) but i think you can cover up a sucky corner by running a cover 2 scheme but a bad middle linebacker will get your defense ran all over.
the way the last few drafts have gone your friend might have a case.....seems DBs are a prized commodity
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the way the last few drafts have gone your friend might have a case.....seems DBs are a prized commodity
you are right..because the game has evolved now to favor passing offenses...with the 5 yard no touch rule so you have to be a better corner these days...but i thought historacaly you have to stop the run to win this game and you do that with a good MLB
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It's hard to say any one position is most important, but putting my personal bias aside I'd say QB. I think you can look at a number of Super Bowl winners over the years and attribute their success in large part to their QB: Doug Williams, Montana, Aikman, Warner, Brady, Manning, etc.
Off the top of my head, I can only think of one QB who was pretty average who won a Super Bowl in recent memory: Dilfer.
But fullbacks are the biggest studs on field. No question about it. :)
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Offensive line. You can have the best qb in the world, he ain't doing shat if he cant get some type of protection. You can have the most talented rb in the world, without holes to run through he wont do shat. Before I say this let me state I do NOT think LT is overrated. the guy is amazing. I just wonder why more credit is not given to his line. The guy is great, don't get me wrong! But we all know with a sub par line lt could not do his thing. it is like a chain reaction. No line = no protection for qb = no time to make throws/read d = inability to stretch field = stacked box =no running game = no clock control.
Defensive Line. These guys keep the opposing offense off the field if they work efficiently and pressure the qb. By keeping the opposing offense off the field as much as possible it gives the home team the ability to score unanswered points and milk the clock. The line is especially important in the 3/4. They pressure the qb and plug the running lanes so lbs can make plays. Which does not allow your foe to control the clock with the run, and creates havok on the pass due to the pressure.
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Offensive Line.
Without good blocking the Qb doesn't get the ball to the skill player, who in turn doesn't get you the necessary yards much less the score.
Cornerback is a close second. One on one, on an island. On obvious passing downs, you have to mimic the movements of the receiver. Give him too much space, and he picks up chunks of yards at a time. Jam the receiver and he gets by you, it's 6 points. The advantage goes to the receiver every time. He knows where he's going, the cornerback doesn't. Easily the most athletic position on the field. Backpeddling, turning and opening your hips to match the receivers stride.(who in turn can make a sudden cut or stop altogether) Very tough.
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It's hard to say any one position is most important, but putting my personal bias aside I'd say QB. I think you can look at a number of Super Bowl winners over the years and attribute their success in large part to their QB: Doug Williams, Montana, Aikman, Warner, Brady, Manning, etc.
Off the top of my head, I can only think of one QB who was pretty average who won a Super Bowl in recent memory: Dilfer.
Bum confirmed senile given that the question immediately excluded QBs. ::)
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Offensive Line.
Without good blocking the Qb doesn't get the ball to the skill player, who in turn doesn't get you the necessary yards much less the score.
Cornerback is a close second. One on one, on an island. On obvious passing downs, you have to mimic the movements of the receiver. Give him too much space, and he picks up chunks of yards at a time. Jam the receiver and he gets by you, it's 6 points. The advantage goes to the receiver every time. He knows where he's going, the cornerback doesn't. Easily the most athletic position on the field. Backpeddling, turning and opening your hips to match the receivers stride.(who in turn can make a sudden cut or stop altogether) Very tough.
Yes you are right about the CB being the most athletic position. But say in an obvious passing down you have an average corner...you can go to a soft cover 2 and the corner doesn't have to be awesome. All he has to do is cover the flats and pass him on. I still think middle backer brings the intangibles to your defense. He brings toughness, is essential in run stopping the run as well as zone coverage across the middle of the fiend (which is the easiest throw for a quarterback to make) and that nets chunks of yards and keeps the chains moving. But with a solid middle backer the run is stopped and the shallow intermediate crossing routs are eliminated once the MLB smacks the shit out of that crosser.
Im just saying, you can hide a so/so corner, but there ain't no hiding no sucky MLB because shit comes at him every play.
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whoever controls the line of scrimmage normally wins
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Bum confirmed senile given that the question immediately excluded QBs. ::)
::) Once again, Mr. Bowflex is unable to come up with an original thought. Watch him cut and past an article from a blog with "his" opinion and again fail to cite its source. People who cannot think for themselves do this.
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How about the Center. He usually calls all the schemes on the O-line.
The hardest position on the field to me is corner though.
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Yes you are right about the CB being the most athletic position. But say in an obvious passing down you have an average corner...you can go to a soft cover 2 and the corner doesn't have to be awesome. All he has to do is cover the flats and pass him on. I still think middle backer brings the intangibles to your defense. He brings toughness, is essential in run stopping the run as well as zone coverage across the middle of the fiend (which is the easiest throw for a quarterback to make) and that nets chunks of yards and keeps the chains moving. But with a solid middle backer the run is stopped and the shallow intermediate crossing routs are eliminated once the MLB smacks the shit out of that crosser.
Im just saying, you can hide a so/so corner, but there ain't no hiding no sucky MLB because shit comes at him every play.
Wow. Good breakdown. Did you ever play ball on any level?
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::) Once again, Mr. Bowflex is unable to come up with an original thought. Watch him cut and past an article from a blog with "his" opinion and again fail to cite its source. People who cannot think for themselves do this.
Nothingness..just more defensiveness as senility encroaches..
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Wow. Good breakdown. Did you ever play ball on any level?
yeah i played in high school and college...but couldnt play no more after that because i had too many concussions...i wouldnt have went pro...maybe arena ball would maybe be the highest i would be able to play.... but i played my whole life.
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The hardest position on the field to me is corner though.
It definitely requires the most speed, athleticism, and skill to play well.
By contrast, a QB can be great on skill (passing accuracy and reading coverages) only, but a skilled corner without speed is just a scarecrow waiting for the bird to figure out he can shit all over him.
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It definitely requires the most speed, athleticism, and skill to play well.
By contrast, a QB can be great on skill (passing accuracy and reading coverages) only, but a skilled corner without speed is just a scarecrow waiting for the bird to figure out he can shit all over him.
Agreed.
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It definitely requires the most speed, athleticism, and skill to play well.
By contrast, a QB can be great on skill (passing accuracy and reading coverages) only, but a skilled corner without speed is just a scarecrow waiting for the bird to figure out he can shit all over him.
Well you do have a point in todays football game with the new rules and all to make the game more "exciting"...The NFC is so pass happy you have to have a good secondary or you will be exposed...the AFC IMO is still a running conference.
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It definitely requires the most speed, athleticism, and skill to play well.
By contrast, a QB can be great on skill (passing accuracy and reading coverages) only, but a skilled corner without speed is just a scarecrow waiting for the bird to figure out he can shit all over him.
hehehe well put.
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Well you do have a point in todays football game with the new rules and all to make the game more "exciting"...The NFC is so pass happy you have to have a good secondary or you will be exposed...the AFC IMO is still a running conference.
I don't know about that....the NFC has more running teams IMO...Giants, Cowboys, Falcons, 49ers, Seahawks,
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yeah i played in high school and college...but couldnt play no more after that because i had too many concussions...i wouldnt have went pro...maybe arena ball would maybe be the highest i would be able to play.... but i played my whole life.
Thought so. I could tell by just the way you broke down that analysis.
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It definitely requires the most speed, athleticism, and skill to play well.
By contrast, a QB can be great on skill (passing accuracy and reading coverages) only, but a skilled corner without speed is just a scarecrow waiting for the bird to figure out he can shit all over him.
Nice analogy. You won't find a cornerback these days without speed, though.
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O Line..it can make a middle of the road RB look like Payton, and a QB out of a backup. Without the Hogs moving the pile it's all just smoke and mirrors.
2nd, Secondary...I know everybody will say D line but I think a really good secondary will make a bad D line better.
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O Line..it can make a middle of the road RB look like Payton, and a QB out of a backup. Without the Hogs moving the pile it's all just smoke and mirrors.
2nd, Secondary...I know everybody will say D line but I think a really good secondary will make a bad D line better.
I disagree a little. I think they work hand in hand. If the QB has all day the WR can eventually get open even with good CB and vice versa, good coverage allows for some sacks. A good pass rush negates the need for super human CB's like Deon in his day.
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I disagree a little. I think they work hand in hand. If the QB has all day the WR can eventually get open even with good CB and vice versa, good coverage allows for some sacks. A good pass rush negates the need for super human CB's like Deon in his day.
True. You can hide an average secondary if you have a good rush. This has been the Niners biggest problem on D since they were dumb enough to trade Haley to the Cowboys. :-\
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I disagree a little. I think they work hand in hand. If the QB has all day the WR can eventually get open even with good CB and vice versa, good coverage allows for some sacks. A good pass rush negates the need for super human CB's like Deon in his day.
I will use the Redskins as a example, they have a pretty good secondary and a horriable D line. A couple of years ago they played good defense without a really good rush. The panthers have had a really good line but it's taken getting good CB's to make it a defense. I agree it helps to have both but I think you can hide a D line more then a sloppy secondary.
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Nice analogy. You won't find a cornerback these days without speed, though.
Didn't Otis Smith play for like 20 seasons?
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Didn't Otis Smith play for like 20 seasons?
At least 15 years in the league. Most of them with the Patriots I think.
Body88 would know.
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True. You can hide an average secondary if you have a good rush. This has been the Niners biggest problem on D since they were dumb enough to trade Haley to the Cowboys. :-\
EXACTLY..A press coverage and a good rush.
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At least 15 years in the league. Most of them with the Patriots I think.
Body88 would know.
Otis retired as a pat. Smith returned a int 47 yards for a td in the 96 afc championship game. Helping send the pats to there second sb. Smith also had a huge pick in sb XXXVI in 2001 when the pats won it all. He actually led the pats in ints that year. He had a knack for big time plays in big time games.
Smith also played for the Jets and the eagles.
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Otis retired as a pat. Smith returned a int 47 yards for a td in the 96 afc championship game. Helping send the pats to there second sb. Smith also had a huge pick in sb XXXVI in 2001 when the pats won it all. He actually led the pats in ints that year. He had a knack for big time plays in big time games.
Smith also played for the Jets and the eagles.
So you don't need speed at Cornerback.
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What makes you think 'ol man Otis wasn't fast during his heydey?
In the NFL, you have to be fast to be a cornerback. There isn't starting cornerback in the league right now that runs slower than 4.55 in the 40 yard dash.
Someone name some names if I'm wrong.
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So you don't need speed at Cornerback.
nope...not all the time....this guy is a 3rd rounder in this years draft...
Daymeion Hughes
Height: 5-10
Weight: 192
Position: Cornerback
College: California
Combine: 4.74 in the 40-yard dash … 1.65 10-yard dash … 2.74 20-yard dash …
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Creative midfield is football's most important position.
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Creative midfield is football's most important position.
Listen up Euro boy >:(...us red blooded Americans dont take kindly to your thread infiltration with your damn euro game... >:(
na I'm just kidding ;D
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nope...not all the time....this guy is a 3rd rounder in this years draft...
Daymeion Hughes
Height: 5-10
Weight: 192
Position: Cornerback
College: California
Combine: 4.74 in the 40-yard dash … 1.65 10-yard dash … 2.74 20-yard dash …
Wow. I've never heard of a corner with 4.7 speed getting drafted, particularly in the third round. He'll probably play safety, unless he has great football speed. Or maybe he was injured at the combine?
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In the NFL, you have to be fast to be a cornerback
Where in the NFL you don't need to be fast? But yes,corner needs to be fast, to be able to play mano-i-mano, on every level.
My picks.
On offence - the Line , if only one player then RB. Runs away the clock and keeps your offence on the field
On D. Mike Lb - Gotta be able to stop the run.
How many of the better NFL D.s have a lousy MLB ?
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Wow. I've never heard of a corner with 4.7 speed getting drafted, particularly in the third round. He'll probably play safety, unless he has great football speed. Or maybe he was injured at the combine?
I never saw that either. But he cant play safety either. i would venture to say his strength will be in the cover 2. he obviously has something scouts like and i think its his ball instincts which will serve him will in a 2 scheme where he has to make decision at the snap of the ball and react quickly
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I never saw that either. But he cant play safety either. i would venture to say his strength will be in the cover 2. he obviously has something scouts like and i think its his ball instincts which will serve him will in a 2 scheme where he has to make decision at the snap of the ball and react quickly
If he is a true 4.7 then about the only thing he'll be able to play is a cover 2 or maybe be the fifth for sixth DB in a nickel or dime package. Can't imagine he would be able to cover someone like Steve Smith, Stallworth, and pretty much most of the starting WRs in the NFL man up.
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What makes you think 'ol man Otis wasn't fast during his heydey?
In the NFL, you have to be fast to be a cornerback. There isn't starting cornerback in the league right now that runs slower than 4.55 in the 40 yard dash.
Someone name some names if I'm wrong.
Sure he was fast during his heyday...but he wasn't fast in his later years and still played at a high level.
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If he is a true 4.7 then about the only thing he'll be able to play is a cover 2 or maybe be the fifth for sixth DB in a nickel or dime package. Can't imagine he would be able to cover someone like Steve Smith, Stallworth, and pretty much most of the starting WRs in the NFL man up.
thats what i said...a nickel guy...if i would have seen film on him i could see how he got drafted so high...this same kid didt even hit the little thing that shows how hig h you jump...when he jumped he couldnt even reach it....deion sanders said "dude are you kidding me" this kid shows no explosion at all....but there was something that got him drafted in the third round....and for the record..there is no was in hell he will be able to guard anyone in the nfl running a 4.7...NO ONE...all WR's run sub 4.5s ....
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thats what i said...a nickel guy...if i would have seen film on him i could see how he got drafted so high...this same kid didt even hit the little thing that shows how hig h you jump...when he jumped he couldnt even reach it....deion sanders said "dude are you kidding me" this kid shows no explosion at all....but there was something that got him drafted in the third round....and for the record..there is no was in hell he will be able to guard anyone in the nfl running a 4.7...NO ONE...all WR's run sub 4.5s ....
Looks like he had 8 INTs last year. That's a ton for a corner.
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Looks like he had 8 INTs last year. That's a ton for a corner.
hel yeah it is...but it is also in the pass happy pac 10....but he is still a baller
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cheerleaders. Imagine the positions. ;D
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Center-calls all the blocking schemes
Middle lb-calls the defense