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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Mr. Cortisol on June 11, 2007, 11:23:24 AM
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Can he be considered one of the all-time greats with calves that don't flex?
I think this is when he turned pro - maybe his best stage showing not the 93 Arnold.
http://www.getanabolics.com/2007/06/flex-wheeler-rippin-it-up-in.html
IMO, the synthol calves disqualify him from being one of the bests ever
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Calves were ok in the 90's, he admitted to using Escilene for his delts, so it would be speculative he did that for his calves. If you check his 1993 Arnold pics, you will see split calves. He even joked on his "Hardbody" vid (preparing for the 1993 O) about calf implants. Shawn Ray admitted that he made up the calf implant story to get Flex off his game...
For the last time, this and Vic Richard's are what the people who don't know always talk about.
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I believe it was Shawn Ray who first mentioned something fishy going on with Flex
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IMO, obviously syntholed bodyparts do leave an asterisk on a guy's career. I can't think about nasser's olympia near-greatness without seeing that pic of him with the giant funny synthol arms. And while Flex was one of the best of all time, his silly shoulders in that one pic stand out in my mind.
You don't have that kinda asterisk with Arnold, Sergio, Haney or Dorian.
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Can he be considered one of the all-time greats with calves that don't flex?
I think this is when he turned pro - maybe his best stage showing not the 93 Arnold.
http://www.getanabolics.com/2007/06/flex-wheeler-rippin-it-up-in.html
IMO, the synthol calves disqualify him from being one of the bests ever
I see your pt in theory, but since we have no way of knowing all the other banned sustances in the pros bodies, what difference does it make. Think about it. The reason they have banned drugs and substaces is so the actual physique can be obtained via legit means. With no enforcement of the actual rules , it is like having swimmers wearing fins. Sure, they would swim faster but it would look absurd and be ridiculed overall.
The extremee drug use is just as bad as synthol , implants, etc
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Oh, I never noticed anything wrong with them ???
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The extremee drug use is just as bad as synthol , implants, etc
i disagree here howard.
everyone does drugs and they all have about the same effects. shooting a pound of oil into your arms before you take the stage and looking unlike everyone else, that is worse.
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Oh, I never noticed anything wrong with 'him' ???
No thats what you said to Sasha, were talking about flex now...
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Oh, my bad ::)
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Oh, my bad ::)
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Yes and He told me to remind you that He loves you too :-*
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Yes and He told me to remind you that He loves you too :-*
hahaha the 'great' sean ray is reduced to trolling hahaha ...how are DVD sales ?
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hahaha the 'great' sean ray is reduced to trolling hahaha ...how are DVD sales ?
oooooooooh burn.
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22 Sold and 3 more Ordered since Jan 07 ;D
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22 Sold and 3 more Ordered since Jan 07 ;D
hahahahahah......how bout the 'podCast' numbers sean ? hahaaha
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hahahahahah......how bout the 'podCast' numbers sean ? hahaaha
monster 1600 folks watched the colo pro webcast. bravo. you can't GIVE the thing away!
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Oh, I never noticed anything wrong with them ???
If I remember correctly...I thought it was you that wanted the IFBB to check Flex's calves for some fishy oils in them?
Maybe I'm wrong...but hell, I can remember reading it in a few magazines & you & Flex were not buds anymore cuz of it.
Maybe it was someone else saying it....if I'm wrong...I'm wrong.
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That "Thing" brought Kai Greene $31,000 and another $40,000 to IFBB Pro Competitors who compete for Prize Money by way of our Sponsors who make this all possible for the Athletes to make a living. ;D
Its not always about Numbers and Attendance.
The numbers dont make events like this possible, our Athletes, Sponsors and Fans Do.
Which number is more important than the next?
It's business son, when you get your show you'll have a better understanding of where the money comes from and how it is distributed.
Stay tune for info on the coming of the 2008 Colorado Pro Am Classic.
Missed you this year, maybe you'll come out next year and learn something. :-*
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Knny187, of course it was me, I was acting like it was a recent news break ::)
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It's business son,
Hi sgt. d
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That "Thing" brought Kai Greene $31,000 and another $40,000 to IFBB Pro Competitors who compete for Prize Money by way of our Sponsors who make this all possible for the Athletes to make a living. ;D
Its not always about Numbers and Attendance.
The numbers dont make events like this possible, our Athletes, Sponsors and Fans Do.
Which number is more important than the next?
It's business son, when you get your show you'll have a better understanding of where the money comes from and how it is distributed.
Stay tune for info on the coming of the 2008 Colorado Pro Am Classic.
Missed you this year, maybe you'll come out next year and learn something. :-*
well, maybe if you weren't such an arsehole son, business might be better. ;)
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Welcome to my world ;D
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Flex has no guts and no balls. it's been a year since he came and post on this site and promise his side of the infamous ninja story. Now he's nowhere to be found. No wonder he never had what it takes to become Mr Olympia
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Welcome to my world ;D
your calves are still huge, Dawg
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Business is / was just fine thank you.
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Is that a recent pic Shawn? If so, get back on stage.
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Knny187, of course it was me, I was acting like it was a recent news break ::)
well, I could have seen where you would of brought that up back then
Flex had very few weaknesses & his calves grew "amazingly" or "surprisingly" quick
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Welcome to my world ;D
Looking healthy Shawn
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Wanna talk fishy calves?
(http://www.ifbb.com/halloffame/2003/LouFerrigno2.jpg)
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(http://www.nanarland.com/acteurs/louferrigno/LouFerrigno3.jpg)
This is what he had back in the day. Unless he never used to train them...
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lou went the silicon route i believe.
i think sean was just jealous at the time because flex suddenly had fuller calves than him.
poor sean. he always played the bridesmaid and felt that attempting to mess with competitor's heads was the only chance he had. must have been tough for him to be there from the haney days and see competitor after competitor come up through the ranks and go straight past him. :'(
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obvious use of site injects/oils definitely detracts from the reputation of whoever uses them - that being said Flex was so awesome that he didn't really need that shit so it was just a bad decision he is still one of the all time greatest...
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Flex had one of the best physiques ever to grace the stage. His 98 Arnold Classic shape was SICK !!!!!! That physique would easily win the 06,07 olympia.
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Shawn looks good in that pic.
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obvious use of site injects/oils definitely detracts from the reputation of whoever uses them - that being said Flex was so awesome that he didn't really need that shit so it was just a bad decision he is still one of the all time greatest...
by flex's own admissions, he didn't just use the oil and site injections there. ;)
pro bbers use so many drugs and potions etc that it's kind of redundant to say it 'detracts from the reputation...'. :-\
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your calves are still huge, Dawg
everything is good on him still,,live and learn,,,he worked hard in the gym beside taking the hormones,,guy trained like a bodybuilder should train! FOUNDATION is one thing he has in common with milos
THOMAS PRINCE ,, THE MURDERER = ALL DRUGS
SHAWN RAY = SOLID DEVELOPED MUSCLE THAT AINT GOING NO WHERE,,think in haney and oliva terms
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THOMAS PRINCE ,, THE MURDERER = ALL DRUGS
Didn't Prince say he's still 230 without trying?
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everything is good on him still,,live and learn,,,he worked hard in the gym beside taking the hormones,,guy trained like a bodybuilder should train! FOUNDATION is one thing he has in common with milos
THOMAS PRINCE ,, THE MURDERER = ALL DRUGS
SHAWN RAY = SOLID DEVELOPED MUSCLE THAT AINT GOING NO WHERE,,think in haney and oliva terms
hang on. how do you know shawn's not back on?
genetics + muscle memory + gear = that pic in no time and you know that.
i don't know much at all about tom's current condition, but if he is unable to train, hrt then that would be the real reason he currently looks the way he does, not whether he built 'muscle that aint going no where'. i mean wtf is that? are you saying that prince had fake muscles on his body when he was competing ???
seriously, with your knowledge, i can only assume you're either a shawn ray fanboy or a tom prince hater. which one is it and why?
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I see your pt in theory, but since we have no way of knowing all the other banned sustances in the pros bodies, what difference does it make. Think about it. The reason they have banned drugs and substaces is so the actual physique can be obtained via legit means. With no enforcement of the actual rules , it is like having swimmers wearing fins. Sure, they would swim faster but it would look absurd and be ridiculed overall.
The extremee drug use is just as bad as synthol , implants, etc
I agree with you Howie. To me, a natural competitor, one banned substance is just as bad as another. Call me ignorant, but I don't see how injecting sythol is any less honorable than using steroids, HGH, insulin, clen, diuretics, etc...
Chemically enhanced bodybuilding has become a win at all costs endeavor. Competitors will put all manner of substances in their bodies to win. So how can someone say oil is worse than anything else?
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Welcome to my world ;D
Shawn still looking awesome!
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hang on. how do you know shawn's not back on?
genetics + muscle memory + gear = that pic in no time and you know that.
i don't know much at all about tom's current condition, but if he is unable to train, hrt then that would be the real reason he currently looks the way he does, not whether he built 'muscle that aint going no where'. i mean wtf is that? are you saying that prince had fake muscles on his body when he was competing ???
seriously, with your knowledge, i can only assume you're either a shawn ray fanboy or a tom prince hater. which one is it and why?
i didnt say he didnt or dont use hormones,,read me again,,,
what i said is or what i meant to say is....that ray has nailed his physiqe so well from the basics that he has it for life,,,as in developed enough to look very good with out hormones and with hormones,,ofcourse with hormones it looks better and somewhat bigger since he can spare more muscle,,,but never the less he has the a very good foundation that is not going anywhere,,
and i am a big shawn ray fan,,i am big fan of every bodybuilder who developed his physiqe with a combination of hard work in the gym and then added goodies to take it to the next level and not vise versa
and i know first hand that ray worked hard in the gym,,,infact i wish more bodybuilders got in the gym and started with weighted chinups innsted of being lazy asses and did pull down.."since they are just too big to do chinups"...
basics first,,,,hormones second,,,
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i didnt say he didnt or dont use hormones,,read me again,,,
what i said is or what i meant to say is....that ray has nailed his physiqe so well from the basics that he has it for life,,,as in developed enough to look very good with out hormones and with hormones,,ofcourse with hormones it looks better and somewhat bigger since he can spare more muscle,,,but never the less he has the a very good foundation that is not going anywhere,,
and i am a big shawn ray fan,,i am big fan of every bodybuilder who developed his physiqe with a combination of hard work in the gym and then added goodies to take it to the next level and not vise versa
and i know first hand that ray worked hard in the gym,,,infact i wish more bodybuilders got in the gym and started with weighted chinups innsted of being lazy asses and did pull down.."since they are just too big to do chinups"...
basics first,,,,hormones second,,,
So your not a big fan of arnold then huh? ;D
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:D
arnold had his basics at age 16 he looked better than many 30 year olds that been in gyms forever,,
arnold is thie bodybuilder of the 20th century,,if you had to show aliens what bodybuilder is you would choose show arnold,,its like the beatles
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arnold had his basics at age 16 he looked better than many 30 year olds that been in gyms forever,,
arnold is thie bodybuilder of the 20th century,,if you had to show aliens what bodybuilder is you would choose show arnold,,its like the beatles
no, no, no you are giving preferencial treatment to your idol ;D thats not fair. He started to hit the sauce at a young age AND you have seen his "off" photos right?
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infact i wish more bodybuilders got in the gym and started with weighted chinups innsted of being lazy asses and did pull down.."since they are just too big to do chinups"...
That's a great line!
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arnold had his basics at age 16 he looked better than many 30 year olds that been in gyms forever,,
arnold is thie bodybuilder of the 20th century,,if you had to show aliens what bodybuilder is you would choose show arnold,,its like the beatles
Well, Arnold probably started the hormones at 14 or 15... how much foundation training could he have had at that point? Not that it matters to me though. He was great.
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come on, let's be honest here, arnold started his dianabol from about the first day he attended a serious gym.
why? BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT EVERYONE WAS DOING.
it wasn't considered an issue back then. hell hitler was using test and amphet on his troops during ww2 and, whether people want to admit this or not, arnold was practically a fucking nazi living in austria. being big and strong was an absolute must for this arian kid and NOTHING was going to get in his way.
anyway, it was so common and accepted back then, they had it with their breakfast. where do you think the 'breakfast of champions' term came from? it just wasn't a big deal like it is now and the only reason it's so immoral and unlawful now is because of the whole east vs west cold war beat up and eatern block athletes kicking the living shit out of westerners and westerners wanting to make excuses, "oh, it was all because of the drugs, etc, etc" knowing full fucking well that they were taking EXACTLY the same shit. the soviets were just a little more organised and up front about it.
ooh, that was quite a rant wasn't it? glad that's off my chest, annnnnnnnyway, yes gh, you should know better than to play cheerleader and prop up tossers like shawn ray and arnold as the ideal aesthetic or whatever. you may prefer the less freaky physique, but don't start playing agendas here now. you've been doing well up until this shit. like shawn, love him for all i give a shit, but don't prop him as some sort of bbing saint because, from all reports i've heard, he was doing anabolics from the get go. seeing as ray's a christian now and wouldn't make an intentional lie ::) i request him to speak on this.
as for arnold, fuck me dead, he was the ORIGINAL mass monster. there is NOTHING this guy wouldn't do to be as freaky as possible and he WAS. maybe you're getting him confused with frank zane.
be real gh. if you don't like tom prince (hell, i don't care much for the man either) but don't imply that the man was some sort of pussy in the gym because you couldn't be further from the truth. if you knew him back then you would know he was as hardcore as you'll get.