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Bro ..I respect ur opinions and am glad ur here as I leave my articulate posts for the politics board. U defend Boston sports in a fair and balanced way that I can't, in my blind fanatisim comprehend. But for the love of god..LUGO SUCKS, he need to go. Get on the phone and make it happen.
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Bro ..I respect ur opinions and am glad ur here as I leave my articulate posts for the politics board. U defend Boston sports in a fair and balanced way that I can't, in my blind fanatisim comprehend. But for the love of god..LUGO SUCKS, he need to go. Get on the phone and make it happen.
I agree. I have become fed up with him also. We could talk about his rbi's, but those are less impressive due to his dreadful defense. We could talk about his ability to steal bases, but his obp sucks since he is not hitting. Some guys cant hang when they get on the big stage. I fear Lugo might suffer that fate. His career stats would suggest he will come out of this, but like we saw with Edger, sometimes its just the pressure
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I'd rather keep Lugo than Coco Crisp. Both are pulling a Renteria on us, though.
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Oh shit, don't get me started on Lugo. Coco is as bad offensively but at least he's making plays in the field. Lugo's doing nothing. His RBI total isn't a factor of his ability to hit safely but more his ability to ground into RBI fielder's choices.
And Drew, WTF. We're stuck with that useless robot for 5 years.
All in all this was not a stellar year for Mr. Epstein.
I have to stop there or a 2000 word meltdown post will ensue.
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They should have locked up Cabrerra right after '04. In fact, there are a number of moves/non moves that they could have made that would have given this team a lethal combination of youth and veterans, with payroll flexibility to boot.
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Typical Red Sox fans.8 1/2 game lead and your looking for whats wrong
with your team. ::)
;)
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Typical Red Sox fans.8 1/2 game lead and your looking for whats wrong
with your team. ::)
;)
Yeah, but a few days ago it was a 13 1/2 game lead.
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I know,i'm a Yankee fan ;) ;D
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I hope you two Yankee heathens don't think this season is anywhere near over.
The Sox are going to get hot again and the Yanks are going to get cold again and vice versa.
Both teams are in for a long and bumpy ride.
Oh, and good luck with that whole "Giambi suspension" thing that Selig is proposing. ;D
P.S. if you choose to reply make it a good one. This board needs a little Sox fan vs. Yanks fan fun.
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Look Calvin..your not dealing with folks here with short memories..I remeber two things prior to 1980..my old man yellling at Steve Grogan on TV and him coming home after the 78' one game playoff. He bought me hat..it was thrown at the couch in disgust. Until the yanks are mathmatically eliminated I'lll be worried.In fact should we suffer another meltdown...the only thing that will save me is Brady to Moss all season long.................... .GO PATS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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They should have locked up Cabrerra right after '04. In fact, there are a number of moves/non moves that they could have made that would have given this team a lethal combination of youth and veterans, with payroll flexibility to boot.
Absolutely, and I'd have been happy with Alex Gonzalez staying, too. But who could predict that Lugo would hit this poorly? Not me. In fact, I was excited for Renteria, Crisp and Lugo each when they were signed, only to find out that Renteria hit and ran like a girl, Coco looks shellshocked and like he's never SEEN a bat before and Lugo is kicking more balls around the infield.
Anyway, it's all about pitching, and we got it, so we'll be alright.
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Half the yankee fan base got hurt when they jumped for there lives off the bandwagon about month ago!
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Oh don't worry body88, they're all jumping back on right now. One thing I noticed about NY'ers...fairweather fans. I've lived in NY for 10 years, it's hilarious to see them all bust out thier Yankees gear after they win a few games LOL. Meanwhile, I wear my BoSox and Pat's stuff all year, win or lose.
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suckahs!
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Oh don't worry body88, they're all jumping back on right now. One thing I noticed about NY'ers...fairweather fans.
Not I. I have never stopped believing this team would make the playoffs.
Mind you, I stop posting about it for awhile, since no matter what your theories are, you sound like a lunatic when your team is 14.5 back. ;D
I'm a big believe in regression to the mean - meaning players USUALLY perform to the historical statistical norms. Under that theory, it was only logical to think that players like Abreu, Damon, Cano and Matusi would get better. Couple that with the pitching staff finally getting healthy, some early bad luck, and that the Yankees have had the hardest rated schedule so far (per ESPN), it was only a matter of time before it all clicked.
They may still have too deep a hole to dig out of, but they are definitely not the team they were a few weeks ago.
This is a Sox thread, though, so I'll leave it with the team I think the sox should've had:
1B Youklis
2b F. Sanchez
SS H. Ramierez
3b A. Marte
OF: Manny
CF: Damon
RF: Abreu
Staff: Schilling, Wakefield, Lester, A Sanchez, Arroyo
By having those rookies, it gave the sox the flexibilty to keep Damon and trade for Abreu, since they would save so much money.
I just learned that A. Sanchez might be done though. Also, I believe Beckett is just on a typical Beckett streak that never lasts, but I will admit he's been lights out and the streak is longer than I thought.
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I hope you two Yankee heathens don't think this season is anywhere near over.
The Sox are going to get hot again and the Yanks are going to get cold again and vice versa.
Both teams are in for a long and bumpy ride.
Oh, and good luck with that whole "Giambi suspension" thing that Selig is proposing. ;D
P.S. if you choose to reply make it a good one. This board needs a little Sox fan vs. Yanks fan fun.
I agree, until the 162nd game is in the books anything can happen.
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Half the yankee fan base got hurt when they jumped for there lives off the bandwagon about month ago!
Come on body88, there are Red Sox fans in this very thread bashing their own team and players and worrying about their team in this very thread dude.
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Oh don't worry body88, they're all jumping back on right now. One thing I noticed about NY'ers...fairweather fans. I've lived in NY for 10 years, it's hilarious to see them all bust out thier Yankees gear after they win a few games LOL. Meanwhile, I wear my BoSox and Pat's stuff all year, win or lose.
Rearden, don't try pulling that "fairweather fan" crap. Some Red Sox guys in this very thread are bashing players on their team. Nothing was being said when the Sox had that 13.5 game lead.
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Rearden, don't try pulling that "fairweather fan" crap. Some Red Sox guys in this very thread are bashing players on their team. Nothing was being said when the Sox had that 13.5 game lead.
There's this nitwit named Tony from Bridgewater who calls WEEI in the mornings. Today he was on saying that nobody thought the Yankees were really a .500 team and there was no need to panic.
Unfortunately, I remember him called two weeks ago yelling at a host who thought the Yankees could come back screaming "this team is going to implode. They're finished".
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Rearden, don't try pulling that "fairweather fan" crap. Some Red Sox guys in this very thread are bashing players on their team. Nothing was being said when the Sox had that 13.5 game lead.
We bash our players, but never take off the gear! I speak from experience here brutha.
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We bash our players, but never take off the gear! I speak from experience here brutha.
I saw a show on NESN about the 67 Sox the other night. I was looking for Yaz but didn't see him?
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Half the yankee fan base got hurt when they jumped for there lives off the bandwagon about month ago!
How many Red Sox fans are getting close to the edge? ;D
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Not many. Although they lost last night they just swept the Giants. I have many "Yankee fan" friends. Fairweather is a term that can be applied to a lot of Yankee fans. Sox fans have gone through decades of excruciating bad luck/pain. Half the Yankee fan base jumped off the empire last month due to what was going on. I have never counted the Yankees out. The sox are going through a bad stretch. As bad as it has been, they are still 8 games ahead.
I knew the Yankees would right the ship. I always said they would be back. I think the sox will do better in the playoffs, but I never once counted the yankees out. With the amount of talent/ money in that team, it was only a matter of time before things got going.
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We bash our players, but never take off the gear! I speak from experience here brutha.
Yep. Boston is even more of a rabid baseball market then NY. New York makes more $$ due to the bigger population.
While sox fans do bash there players, they also give guys who are soldiers to the team standing o's if they have a bad night. Boo brids are not "trendy" in Boston. If a sox player is getting boo'd, he has worn out his support.
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I'M a yankee fan ,but why over 3 yrs u had 3 great ss renteria.gonzalez,and the 3rd could have been ramirez but u got beckett and lowell for the deal.lugo a great glove weak bat.it's nice to have jeter 10yrs :D
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Not many. I have many "Yankee fan" friends. Fairweather is a term that can be applied to a lot of Yankees fans. Sox fans have gone through decades of excruciating bad luck. Half the Yankee fan base jumped off the empire last month due to what was going on. I have never counted the Yankees out. The sox are going through a bad stretch. As bad as it has been, they are still 8 games ahead.
Well I'm not fairweather.my grandparents are Italian from Bayonne,NJ.
They saw Joe D. play at the old stadium and they were at the stadium when
Lou Gehrig gave his famous farewell speach :o
the tradition has been passed on ;D ;D ;D
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I'M a yankee fan ,but why over 3 yrs u had 3 great ss renteria.gonzalez,and the 3rd could have been ramirez but u got beckett and lowell for the deal.lugo a great glove weak bat.it's nice to have jeter 10yrs :D
Lugo has a sub par glove imo. He was brought in for his offense, and so far has been a huge bust. He has a lot of rbi's, but thats about it.
This type of shit puzzles me. Lugo has good career numbers, Same with Renteria. Some guys cannot play under the big pressure markets of New York and Boston. I fear Lugo is one of those guys.
Gonzo was the best defensive ss to ever play for the sox. He was one of the best ss I have ever seen. However, his offense left a lot to be desired. While gonzo saved a lot of runs with his d, his offense did not offset his lack of production at the plate. Soooo the sox went out and got lugo. His numbers and previous success against us would make him be the logical choice. Ob it has not worked out. Christ gonzo 's numbers would have been fine in this lineup. Oh well, hindsight is always 20 / 20.
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Well I'm not fairweather.my grandparents are Italian from Bayonne,NJ.
They saw Joe D. play at the old stadium and they were at the stadium when
Lou Gehrig gave his famous farewell speach :o
the tradition has been passed on ;D ;D ;D
I was not talking about you. Sorry if my post made it seem that way. I am speaking of the "other" Yankee fans. Hardcore Yankee fans are the same as hard core sox fans. They are baseball. The passion and loyalty both show there teams is second to none.
The yankees have great tradition. They also have a great fan base. I am talking about the transplant types that toss on a yankee cap when they move into the city.
Same stuff goes on with the pats. You win all the time, everyone is a fan!
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I was not talking about you. Sorry if my post mad it seem that way. I am speaking of the "other" Yankee fans. Hardcore Yankee fans are the same as hard core sox fans. They are baseball. The passion and loyalty both show there teams is second to none.
The yankees have great tradition. They also have a great fan base. I am talking about the transplant types that toss on a yankee cap when they move into the city.
Same stuff goes on with the pats. You win all the time, everyone is a fan!
Haha,you talk smack to me if you wanted, I know your just having fun ;D
It's people like you and me who make the rivalry fun.
I hate the idiots on both sides who end up in fist fights at the games >:(
I've been to both Fenway and Yankee stadium for the games and as you know
some people just take things to far.
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Julio Lugo is a blatent bust. Cant handle the big stage. Another one bites the dust.
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Julio Lugo is a blatent bust. Cant handle the big stage. Another one bites the dust.
Agreed.
You think we might go after Torri Hunter this offseason? I think we made a mistake not aggressively pursuing Sizemore before he was signed in Cleveland, and obviously Crisp is a bust as well.
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Agreed.
You think we might go after Torri Hunter this offseason? I think we made a mistake not aggressively pursuing Sizemore before he was signed in Cleveland, and obviously Crisp is a bust as well.
Hard to say. Jacoby Ellsbery is the future imo. He should be ready to come up by the end of the year. At least coco is a defensive beast. Lugo pretty much sucks all around right now.
Ellsbury is a special player, I think he will be a star player for a long time out there.
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Julio Lugo has never been anything but a league average player at best. Only once in his career did he post an OPS+ greater that 100 and it was only 105. Prior to that, his stats show him to be just below replacement level. When countng his second half split from last year combined with this one, there's almost a full year of total suckitude from him.
It's a bad move by Epstein, and surprising since he's usually a better evaluator of talent. The blew it by not signing Cabrerra, and it's been a train wreck ever since.
The sox will most likely need another pitcher outside of Lester to keep up their current pace. It will be interesting to see what pieces of the farm they'll be willing to part with to accomplish this.
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Lugo has a sub par glove imo. He was brought in for his offense, and so far has been a huge bust. He has a lot of rbi's, but thats about it.
This type of shit puzzles me. Lugo has good career numbers, Same with Renteria. Some guys cannot play under the big pressure markets of New York and Boston. I fear Lugo is one of those guys.
Gonzo was the best defensive ss to ever play for the sox. He was one of the best ss I have ever seen. However, his offense left a lot to be desired. While gonzo saved a lot of runs with his d, his offense did not offset his lack of production at the plate. Soooo the sox went out and got lugo. His numbers and previous success against us would make him be the logical choice. Ob it has not worked out. Christ gonzo 's numbers would have been fine in this lineup. Oh well, hindsight is always 20 / 20.
ur right after i posted i thought of lugos bat,he did put up some decent numbers at the trop,i think a 100 rbi season once,he has been bad,coco crisp is horrible,and willy mo never lived up to hype,was a yankee farmhand years ago.....
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Julio Lugo has never been anything but a league average player at best. Only once in his career did he post an OPS+ greater that 100 and it was only 105. Prior to that, his stats show him to be just below replacement level. When countng his second half split from last year combined with this one, there's almost a full year of total suckitude from him.
It's a bad move by Epstein, and surprising since he's usually a better evaluator of talent. The blew it by not signing Cabrerra, and it's been a train wreck ever since.
The sox will most likely need another pitcher outside of Lester to keep up their current pace. It will be interesting to see what pieces of the farm they'll be willing to part with to accomplish this.
Clay / Jacoby = off limits imo. Im not so sure about Bowden.
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AS a yank fan i enjoy schilling imploding he is a horse's ass,beckett is tough,lester is gonna be good,but their good overall ,but like the yanks will make a move after all star break for long haul.still 9 game lead.
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Sox are still too far ahead to even warrant attention. Yanks just have to keep winning series - 2 out of 3 and they should be fine for the WC.
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Sox are still too far ahead to even warrant attention. Yanks just have to keep winning series - 2 out of 3 and they should be fine for the WC.
I agree. I refused to count them out at there lowest point, I am not going to start now.
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AS a yank fan i enjoy schilling imploding he is a horse's ass,beckett is tough,lester is gonna be good,but their good overall ,but like the yanks will make a move after all star break for long haul.still 9 game lead.
Schil might be an ass, yes...but he gives 100% everytime out. He'll always be a bulldog in my eyes.
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Clay / Jacoby = off limits imo. Im not so sure about Bowden.
I expect Jacoby to start in CF next year, so I agree. They may just view Lester as the only addition they'll need, similar to what the Yankees thought last year when the "acquired" Matsui and Sheffield from injury.
Youkils is playing too well to warrant acquiring Texeria, and Lowell hasn't tanked enough to warrant moving Youklis to third to do this either. They may just stand pat.
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I expect Jacoby to start in CF next year, so I agree. They may just view Lester as the only addition they'll need, similar to what the Yankees thought last year when the "acquired" Matsui and Sheffield from injury.
Youkils is playing too well to warrant acquiring Texeria, and Lowell hasn't tanked enough to warrant moving Youklis to third to do this either. They may just stand pat.
Lowell hasn't tanked at all LOL, he's having a banner year despite the frosty white hair and old man knees. LOL.
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Julio Lugo has never been anything but a league average player at best. Only once in his career did he post an OPS+ greater that 100 and it was only 105. Prior to that, his stats show him to be just below replacement level. When countng his second half split from last year combined with this one, there's almost a full year of total suckitude from him.
It's a bad move by Epstein, and surprising since he's usually a better evaluator of talent. The blew it by not signing Cabrerra, and it's been a train wreck ever since.
The sox will most likely need another pitcher outside of Lester to keep up their current pace. It will be interesting to see what pieces of the farm they'll be willing to part with to accomplish this.
Lugo had a .330 career batting avg at fenway up until this year. Lugo always found a way to burn the sox when they faced him. Obv his .330 avg at Fenway has not translated into more production tacked on to his .277 career avg in the al east since he came to Boston full time.
Lugo is a blatant bust at this point. Epstein was talking about a adjustment period and sticking with him. Although that could be the case ( since he was hitting 330 at fenway over his career) I think Lugo is another guy who cant hack it on the big stage.
Theo has mad a few bad moves. For the most part he has been great. I would gladly give up Ramirez for Beckett and Lowell at this point. Lowell was an all star this year and Josh has developed into the dominant ace he has always had the stuff to be. The sox have three rookie of the year candidates on the team this year. Dustin is the rookie of the year at this point imo. atthe start of the season when all of red sox nation was screaming for him to go , Theo stuck with him and now look at him. Okajima was an absolute steal and also should be considered for rookie of the year at this point. Finally there is Dmat. Dice K was not exactly a secret commodity so I wont get into that.