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Crowd kills man after car hits child
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070620/ap_on_re_us/crash_assault (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070620/ap_on_re_us/crash_assault)
Today Juneteenth commemorates African American freedom and emphasizes education and achievement. It is a day, a week, and in some areas a month marked with celebrations, guest speakers, picnics and family gatherings. It is a time for reflection and rejoicing. It is a time for assessment, self-improvement and for planning the future. Its growing popularity signifies a level of maturity and dignity in America long over due. In cities across the country, people of all races, nationalities and religions are joining hands to truthfully acknowledge a period in our history that shaped and continues to influence our society today. Sensitized to the conditions and experiences of others, only then can we make significant and lasting improvements in our society.
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There are serious problems within the black community, it's just too bad that it's a taboo to discuss these problems..
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"It was the second year in a row that police in riot gear were used to disperse the crowds."
I just saw the footage on CNN damn, they had police break out in riot gear, they also had a girl fight and had to call the patty wagon, haha.
http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=622207 (http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=622207)
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Little Hitler is at it again. ::) Headlines you won't see from Little Hitler:
White Caught Men Molesting Children . . . Again (Note: This is satire, as race has nothing to do with crime. ):
British police smash global pedophile ring
Timothy David Martyn Cox
AP
LONDON (AP) — Police have smashed a global Internet pedophile ring that broadcast live-streamed videos of children being abused, investigating more than 700 suspects worldwide and rescuing 31 children in a 10-month probe, officials said Monday.
Some 200 suspects are based in Britain, the Child Exploitation and Online Protection Center, a government agency said. Of the 31 children, some only a few months old, more than 15 were in Britain, the center said. British authorities would not give a breakdown of where the other suspects or children came from, but said more than half the suspects in Britain were already being prosecuted.
The ring was traced to an Internet chat room called "Kids the Light of Our Lives" that featured images of children being subjected to horrific sexual abuse, including the streaming of live videos.
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http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2007-06-18-sting_N.htm?csp=34
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How is he little Hitler? These issues have to be adressed and most black conservatives would tell you the same thing. ;)
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How is he little Hitler? These issues have to be adressed and most black conservatives would tell you the same thing. ;)
The title of his post considered in connection with his prior posts about race (e.g., ship all blacks to the front lines in Iraq) make him a Little Hitler in my book. But that's just my opinion. What do I know? :)
"Most black conservatives" would not refer to people as "savages."
What issues need to be addressed?
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At the risk of being inconsiderate, African Americans contributed considerably more to the US economy as slaves than presently as the statistically most criminal element of North American society. It is possible hundreds of years of sub human treatment and breeding has ingrained 'sub humanism' into the collective unconscious of African Americans far beyond salvation. From a utilitarian perspective and bearing in mind the looming social security crisis facing eventual retirees from the ‘baby boomer generation’, is it time to rethink emancipation?
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Here we go....the 'it's whiteys fault and not our own' argument....Can you come up with anything more creative than that?
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At the risk of being inconsiderate, African Americans contributed considerably more to the US economy as slaves than presently as the statistically most criminal element of North American society. It is possible hundreds of years of sub human treatment and breeding has ingrained 'sub humanism' into the collective unconscious of African Americans far beyond salvation. From a utilitarian perspective and bearing in mind the looming social security crisis facing eventual retirees from the ‘baby boomer generation’, is it time to rethink emancipation?
O.K. This is just stupid. ::)
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At the risk of being inconsiderate, African Americans contributed considerably more to the US economy as slaves than presently as the statistically most criminal element of North American society. It is possible hundreds of years of sub human treatment and breeding has ingrained 'sub humanism' into the collective unconscious of African Americans far beyond salvation. From a utilitarian perspective and bearing in mind the looming social security crisis facing eventual retirees from the ‘baby boomer generation’, is it time to rethink emancipation?
what chu talkin bout willis
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Admittedly, it is a hypothesis lacking humanity and feasibility. Theoretically, however, freeing billions in deadweight loss through reduced policing, incarceration and social assistance while at the same time improving the collective productivity of approx 13% of the population is an interesting avenue of discussion.
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Admittedly, it is a hypothesis lacking humanity and feasibility. Theoretically, however, freeing billions in deadweight loss through reduced policing, incarceration and social assistance while at the same time improving the collective productivity of approx 13% of the population is an interesting avenue of discussion.
stop trying to sound smart...in essence you sound like a total tool. stop listening to those al sharpton self help tapes.
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stop trying to sound smart...in essence you sound like a total tool. stop listening to those al sharpton self help tapes.
Translation= Dude You lost me...too many big words.... ::)
Dude you should actually open your pea brain and consider what he is proposing…Because if you think skin color is GENETICALLY linked to behavior you are a retard.
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Translation= Dude You lost me...too many big words.... ::)
Dude you should actually open your pea brain and consider what he is proposing…Because if you think skin color is GENETICALLY linked to behavior you are a retard.
Seems cultural.
You go down south and black folks are kind. Up north it's a different story.
People like Sharpton and his followers are the problem..
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Translation= Dude You lost me...too many big words.... ::)
Dude you should actually open your pea brain and consider what he is proposing…Because if you think skin color is GENETICALLY linked to behavior you are a retard.
funny..yes, we african americans have been turned by the white devil into subhuman beings because of years of mistreatment...good theory..and i'm a pea brain..big mal you are naive to agree with this thinking..
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Seems cultural.
You go down south and black folks are kind. Up north it's a different story.
People like Sharpton and his followers are the problem..
Not so much cultural as maybe regional. And regional behavior is determined by that regions societal norms. Al Sharpton IMO is a self serving snake of a man who is a walking contradiction and should step down from whatever made up position of a black leader he appointed himself to.
Though I do believe the vast majority of blacks are still in the “it’s the white mans fault” mode. And though a 400 year headstart is to blame for the majority of blacks in poverity back in the 60’s. It is a new day and age…the information age where anyone can become anything they want. When value systems change then things will improve. But as long as we (blacks/latinos) aspire to be rappers, drug dealers, basketball players, owner of spinning rims) we will get no where.
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Translation= Dude You lost me...too many big words.... ::)
Dude you should actually open your pea brain and consider what he is proposing…Because if you think skin color is GENETICALLY linked to behavior you are a retard.
Excellent post. I would not entirely discount genetic factors simply for lack of responsible research. Eugenics has a foundation with the work Darwin began, lost favour largely due to the Nazi stigma and now unfortunately is an area no respectable academic dare tread in our politically correct world. However, I am more confident in an indirect (i.e. non genetic rather socio economic) link between skin color and behaviour; take a privileged white newborn, let crack-heads from Compton raise him and observe the outcome :)
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funny..yes, we african americans have been turned by the white devil into subhuman beings because of years of mistreatment...good theory..and i'm a pea brain..big mal you are naive to agree with this thinking..
Listen cha cha…Your generalization of blacks as a whole is contradictory to every rule of arguments. To say that BLACKS are savages, you will have to prove that every person of African decent behaves like a savage. And it only takes 1 black to act in a way opposite of what you believe all blacks to act, to disprove your theory. Skin color doesn’t predetermine behavior. Environmental stimulus determines behavior (see Pavlov). The nature/nurture argument has been discussed in length and there is overwhelming proof that nurture determines behavior.
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I never said they were savages...that was someone else who started this thread...my point is that everyone has free will..they can do right or they can do wrong....no historical subtreatment by anyone forces someone to pick up a gun, or deal drugs, or commit crimes. --For someone to state that there is no hope because their ancestors were slaves and programmed to act subhuman is an insult to a lot of very successful black people.
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Excellent post. I would not entirely discount genetic factors simply for lack of responsible research. Eugenics has a foundation with the work Darwin began, lost favour largely due to the Nazi stigma and now unfortunately is an area no respectable academic dare tread in our politically correct world. However, I am more confident in an indirect (i.e. non genetic rather socio economic) link between skin color and behaviour is indirect; take a privileged white newborn, let crack-heads from Compton raise him and observe the outcome :)
I concur. Take a black male and raise him in a privileged white household and observe the outcome.
And I am in total agreement with the skin color as a socio economic factor not a genetic factor that determines behavior. For example “until the 1960s blacks weren’t allowed blah blah….”
The fact that they were black is where skin color comes into play but the view of that skin color (societies norm for that time period) is the actual culprit for all following phenomena.
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Please judge so called "blacks or African Americans" as indiviuals, not as a group!
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Seems cultural.
You go down south and black folks are kind. Up north it's a different story.
People like Sharpton and his followers are the problem..
This story took place in Texas. ::)
And, Big Mal, are you actually reading seauntea's posts? You seem to be ignoring significant portions of them.
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This story took place in Texas. ::)
And, Big Mal, are you actually reading seauntea's posts? You seem to be ignoring significant portions of them.
Yes I am. And it is actually true. Blacks contributed more to the us economy as slaves because they were forced to. 100% labor (reguardless of race) would be more economical for anyone….
But if something else please point it out.
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I don't know sasquatch and big mal the relative contributions of heredity and enviroment have been conducted for decades, and the debate still rages on but I've lived in both north and south regions and I am with Herrnstein and Murray on this one, in the sake that African Americans actions are the result of heredity, rather than enviroment. (Bell Curve), this assumption accounts for a mjority of circumstances that can't be "blamed on whitey" higher welfare use, higher pregnancies, single mothers...blah blah. Sure though some developmentalist can aruge that enviromental diferences, economic factors and social factors between races account for alot but you cant argue, but it's really impossible to desing a definitive experiment to test this issue, but like Camel Jockey said interesting how the political elite and the hollywood elite want to tackle this problem. Also 20 people beating a man to death I'm pretty sure with a power quotient you could or rather a psychologist could conculde that all at the event were savages, BEATING A MAN TO DEATH, not the first time at this event someone has been beaten, and police have pulled out riot gear.
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In his first post he asks if it's time to "rethink emancipation" in light of the fact that blacks today don't financially benefit the country as much as slaves.
You respond with this to someone who said it was stupid:
Dude you should actually open your pea brain and consider what he is proposing…Because if you think skin color is GENETICALLY linked to behavior you are a retard.
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Though there are genetic factors as well that influence your behaviour and how violent/agressive you'll become. I think it's mainly a cultural problem. Take a look at the so-called white trash, you'll see they have comparable crime rates as low income blacks/latinos.
Like Big_mal has already said, a lot of kids grow up thinking they have to act tough, admiring rappers/athletes. Asians/Jewish culture focusses more on school/taking responsability and that pays off big time.
Little Hitler is at it again. ::) Headlines you won't see from Little Hitler:
White Caught Men Molesting Children . . . Again (Note: This is satire, as race has nothing to do with crime. ):
British police smash global pedophile ring
Timothy David Martyn Cox
AP
LONDON (AP) — Police have smashed a global Internet pedophile ring that broadcast live-streamed videos of children being abused, investigating more than 700 suspects worldwide and rescuing 31 children in a 10-month probe, officials said Monday.
Some 200 suspects are based in Britain, the Child Exploitation and Online Protection Center, a government agency said. Of the 31 children, some only a few months old, more than 15 were in Britain, the center said. British authorities would not give a breakdown of where the other suspects or children came from, but said more than half the suspects in Britain were already being prosecuted.
The ring was traced to an Internet chat room called "Kids the Light of Our Lives" that featured images of children being subjected to horrific sexual abuse, including the streaming of live videos.
. . . .
http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2007-06-18-sting_N.htm?csp=34
Sorry, but i find your post rather distastefull as well. I've seen you post things like this a couple of times already. You're making it sound like it's only white men who do it, however there are no stats to back anything up.
Here, you have a black counter-example.
According to the latest report by South Africa's Police Service, children are the victims of 41 percent of all rapes and attempted rapes reported in the country. Over 15 percent of all reported rapes are against children under 11, and another 26 percent against children 12-17. For the year 2000, some 58 children were raped or the victims of rape attempts in South Africa every single day.
for big_mal ;) -> http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=25806.
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I don't know sasquatch and big mal the relative contributions of heredity and enviroment have been conducted for decades, and the debate still rages on but I've lived in both north and south regions and I am with Herrnstein and Murray on this one, in the sake that African Americans actions are the result of heredity, rather than enviroment. (Bell Curve), this assumption accounts for a mjority of circumstances that can't be "blamed on whitey" higher welfare use, higher pregnancies, single mothers...blah blah. Sure though some developmentalist can aruge that enviromental diferences, economic factors and social factors between races account for alot but you cant argue, but it's really impossible to desing a definitive experiment to test this issue, but like Camel Jockey said interesting how the political elite and the hollywood elite want to tackle this problem. Also 20 people beating a man to death I'm pretty sure with a power quotient you could or rather a psychologist could conculde that all at the event were savages, BEATING A MAN TO DEATH, not the first time at this event someone has been beaten, and police have pulled out riot gear.
In the same breath you have to classify the spectators below as savages also. Does that speak for their entire race.
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In his first post he asks if it's time to "rethink emancipation" in light of the fact that blacks today don't financially benefit the country as much as slaves.
You respond with this to someone who said it was stupid:
yeah i missed that...
seauantea...fuck you..
better
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And, Big Mal, are you actually reading seauntea's posts? You seem to be ignoring significant portions of them.
Big_mal seems to me an individual willing to entertain sensitive ideas with an open mind and objectivism; that is not to imply my statements are necessarily correct, rather the observations and questions raised have a degree substance worth considering. Ideally, I consider myself similar to him and would be more than happy to discuss "my people's" penchant for organized criminality and corruption arising from decades of Soviet conditioning. Upsetting subject matter is typically the most interesting and constructive to tackle.
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In the same breath you have to classify the spectators below as savages also. Does that speak for their entire race.
speaks for the human race
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speaks for the human race
I can dig it.
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that is not to imply my statements are necessarily correct, rather the observations and questions raised have a degree substance worth considering.
That particular quote really didn't contain any ideas worth considering. It was just idiotic to say that because blacks don't financially benefit the country as much as we once did then slavery is one option to turn things around.
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Sorry, but i find your post rather distastefull as well. I've seen you post things like this a couple of times already. You're making it sound like it's only white men who do it, however there are no stats to back anything up.
And how was my post distasteful, particularly given the caveat that "[t]his is satire, as race has nothing to do with crime"? What couple of posts are you talking about?
I never said only white men are pedophiles. I have raised this issue when some try to make a genetic link to crime. It's absurd. Crime is related to income and education, not race.
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And how was my post distasteful, particularly given the caveat that "[t]his is satire, as race has nothing to do with crime"? What couple of posts are you talking about?
I never said only white men are pedophiles. I have raised this issue when some try to make a genetic link to crime. It's absurd. Crime is related to income and education, not race.
Fair enough.
But i had noticed that you brought it up a couple of times the white men/pedophile link, thus also feeding a stereotype. Just the way the starter of this thread does, i think you wanna be above that level...
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These issues have to be adressed and most black conservatives would tell you the same thing.
Agreed, and usually swept under the rug.
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Fair enough.
But i had noticed that you brought it up a couple of times the white men/pedophile link, thus also feeding a stereotype. Just the way the starter of this thread does, i think you wanna be above that level...
Faust I do not believe white men are genetically predisposed to be pedophiles. The only reason I have brought up the link between white males and serial killing, mass murders, and pedophilia is to highlight how dumb the race/crime analogy is. Maybe I wasn't clear enough. I think the entire race/crime link makes no sense and is only advocated by bigots.
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(Bell Curve)
Interesting stuff...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bell_Curve
You Nazi!
;D
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Ok dude look at this…it will explain a lot
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That particular quote really didn't contain any ideas worth considering. It was just idiotic to say that because blacks don't financially benefit the country as much as we once did then slavery is one option to turn things around.
Leaving aside the fact I asked a question as opposed to making a recommendation, specifically why is it "just idiotic"?
As you seem to have overlooked, I explained America will very soon be facing a social security crisis and desperately needed funding which is currently being wasted on incarceration and social assistance for a daunting percentage of slave descendants could be reallocated. Is it not more reasonable to invest public resources in sustaining those who have contributed to sed resources for most of their lives as opposed to criminals and those who refuse to work?
Obviously this will never happen, rather it is "food for thought" :)
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Ok dude look at this…it will explain a lot
Man, that was crazy!!! HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AA ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Not so much cultural as maybe regional. And regional behavior is determined by that regions societal norms. Al Sharpton IMO is a self serving snake of a man who is a walking contradiction and should step down from whatever made up position of a black leader he appointed himself to.
Though I do believe the vast majority of blacks are still in the “it’s the white mans fault” mode. And though a 400 year headstart is to blame for the majority of blacks in poverity back in the 60’s. It is a new day and age…the information age where anyone can become anything they want. When value systems change then things will improve. But as long as we (blacks/latinos) aspire to be rappers, drug dealers, basketball players, owner of spinning rims) we will get no where.
Good post man.
But the truth is that more than half of all black are not like you. You are in med school and have a famous sis..
Like you said, a lot of black people are in 'blame whitey' mode. This mentality is destructive to everyone, and especially to black people.
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Man, that was crazy!!! HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AA ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
hahahaha yeah i was just fucking around...he told those police who was who and what was what
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Good post man.
But the truth is that more than half of all black are not like you. You are in med school and have a famous sis..
Like you said, a lot of black people are in 'blame whitey' mode. This mentality is destructive to everyone, and especially to black people.
you are right...but im to the point that i can only do for me and mines. they want to self destruct let them. And as long as sharpton/jackson is the voices of blacks we cant be taken seriously so i say fuck it. Im gonna get mine
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black people's culture in america, whatever the root cause, is seriously flawed. I do some consulting for the federal govt and on some contracts work direcly in a team with federal employees...many of whom are black. they are mostly lazy, argumentative, unable to take criticism, they avoid their work, and their mastery of the english language is questionable at best. Also, they all are either a grandparent, or are on pace to be, at 45-50. Of course at school there were many black people not like this,but there still were some. Much higher percentage then whites. I personally think it is the lack of male figures in the family, among other things.
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Ok dude look at this…it will explain a lot
lmfao, "NO........YES I'm refusing a muthafuckin test"
"My license alreada suspended"
"I'm tell you just like this, muthafuckin officer jumped in my lap"
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man roaring drunk people are just ridiculous. if people could see themselves on video when they are sober.......
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I think the problem is culteral. I have worked at LAX which is in Inglewood. As Mac 10 says Inglewood always up to no good. The black people I worked with were very lazy. The laziest ive every seen and some walked all strange and it was kindof strange. One of them got arressted for using the jet to ship drugs to Memphis. There was one black guy who was from the hood who was actually a real cool guy and a good worker. Most people black or white follow the crowd but there are always a few who do the right thing no matter what. An example of white people becauming what the culter dictates would be Natzi Germany. I honestly think it could happen again because human nature hasnt changed. Just as most blacks in the hood will conform to voilence, stealing, murder ect... most whites put into culters where the norm is crazy like Natzi Germany will also conform. Another good example of a culter gone mad is in Africa when the people started killing each other and cutting off peoples limbs. I think it was Rawanda. Now I live further north and I work with another guy from Compton. He went to high school with the Game and he is as lazy as can be. I asked him why black people from Compton or L.A are like this but he didnt agree. He got mad when I told him he was perpetuating a steriotype by being lazy and honestly doesnt think he's lazy, or at least he acts like he's unawear of it. I worked with another black guy from Arkansaws who grew up on a farm and he was one of the hardest workers ive ever met. If we attribute these things to genetics then we would have to say that Germans are some of the sickest people around. Luckly for me im scandanavian.
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black people's culture in america, whatever the root cause, is seriously flawed. I do some consulting for the federal govt and on some contracts work direcly in a team with federal employees...many of whom are black. they are mostly lazy, argumentative, unable to take criticism, they avoid their work, and their mastery of the english language is questionable at best. Also, they all are either a grandparent, or are on pace to be, at 45-50. Of course at school there were many black people not like this,but there still were some. Much higher percentage then whites. I personally think it is the lack of male figures in the family, among other things.
It has become a problem because that kind of behavior is deemed acceptable, and to question it is consider racism by not only a lot of black people, but whites also.
Big_Mal acknowledges there is a problem, as do others on this forum. The best way for this to be fixed is to 1) acknowledge there is a problem 2) For the voice of black conservatives to be heard and not deemed "sellouts". Two is the most important.. I don't see the media focusing on black conservatives, but rather clowns like Sharpton.
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An example of white people becauming what the culter dictates would be Natzi Germany...
Nice post, the people who went along with Hitler all showed a common personality trait, that lent itself to antidemocratic beleifs and racism. It was a authoritarian personality, after researchers interviewed the people suspected of having the personallity, it showed that their childhoods were rigged and strict, and the obeyed their parent,s and when they wanted to express anger they bottled it up and inflicted it on the lesser of the races...minority groups. The personality traits are geneticlly linked to all humans, not only through learned behaviors as children, but having predisposed characteristic, that grew along with the subjective thoughts.
Region has alot to do, can't dismiss gentics though.
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I blame music as the culprit and movies glorifying violence.
Its everywhere nowdays...the music, the video games, entertainers trying to glorify "thug life", smackking hos, making it cool to steal another man's wife or girl....
Thats why you see a lot of women wanting to be with thugs and badboys.......its all about percepetion and trying to make it seem like one is leading the glamorous or dangerous life that some people want so mch to be apart of. If they want to be a part of a real dangerous life and be a badboy....join the Navy Seals, Air Force Pararescue, Delta Force, Marine Force Recon, ect...those are the real bad boys that we should look up to...
Im mixed with black, asian, spanish....but the black gene is more dominant in me than anything else although my mother is filipino....where I grew up in Hawaii, most locals didnt accept me because of the color of my skin. And when my parents decided to move to an area where there were military dependents,
it was the "black race" that treated me like an outsider like I had no reason to exist in this world because of my mixed heritage.
I have dealt with racism all my life from asians, whites, etc....but to be honest, I have experienced more "racism" if thats what you want to call it by the black race... and too be honest, it just seems the black race or those who I dealt with from my past who are a part of the "black race" treat people better than me who arent black....such "brotherhood"...its all a fuckin joke...
It was the whites/caucasians that treated me like I was a person and that treated me more with respect than the so called "brothas" who treated me like shit...and they claim to be brothers and "one people" such hypocrisy! And that's when I learned that these are the same people who would have sold me into slavery or sold me for thirty peices of silver or hung me out to die on a wooden cross...
And for your information, it was the blacks in Africa who sold their "brothas" and "sistas" to the slave traders all for profit. So Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson could suck my dick when they cry for reparations! They should be blaming "Mother Africa" for the conducts of the past that was comitted by "its" own people. If they arent happy here, they should go back to Africa and better Africa...not try to use the race card and use Jesus's name to make a fuckin profit so they can lead extravagant lives and try to use the race card as a political platform....they should be talking about ways to make America better as one race...the human race....
What I said about about the 30 peices of silver and a wooden cross is just an analogy so please dont persecute me...I was just giving my experience...
Its no wonder why some races or ethnicities look at the black race with such disdain and think we are ignorant because of the media and those in the media like the music artists, or athletes, or entertainers.....youd expect "our people" to try to better themselves yet you have them glorifying violence, adultery, selling drugs, and turning a blind eye to knowledge....and you always see the race card being pulled especially with the black stripper crying rape who lied about it the whole time that these white men raped her....you dont see Al Sharpton aplogizing for his ignorance....
Im not trying to say that I hate my own race. I am a mixture of many ethnicities and have relatives from asian, caucasian, and spanish heritages but I can understand why people can stereotype a particular race because of the ones that are in the media..especially the music and entertainment and ploitcal industry....
Just my 2 cents...
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I blame music as the culprit and movies glorifying violence.
Its everywhere nowdays...the music, the video games, entertainers trying to glorify "thug life", smackking hos, making it cool to steal another man's wife or girl....
Thats why you see a lot of women wanting to be with thugs and badboys.......its all about percepetion and trying to make it seem like one is leading the glamorous or dangerous life that some people want so mch to be apart of. If they want to be a part of a real dangerous life and be a badboy....join the Navy Seals, Air Force Pararescue, Delta Force, Marine Force Recon, ect...those are the real bad boys that we should look up to...
Im mixed with black, asian, spanish....but the black gene is more dominant in me than anything else although my mother is filipino....where I grew up in Hawaii, most locals didnt accept me because of the color of my skin. And when my parents decided to move to an area where there were military dependents,
it was the "black race" that treated me like an outsider like I had no reason to exist in this world because of my mixed heritage.
I have dealt with racism all my life from asians, whites, etc....but to be honest, I have experienced more "racism" if thats what you want to call it by the black race... and too be honest, it just seems the black race or those who I dealt with from my past who are a part of the "black race" treat people better than me who arent black....such "brotherhood"...its all a fuckin joke...
It was the whites/caucasians that treated me like I was a person and that treated me more with respect than the so called "brothas" who treated me like shit...and they claim to be brothers and "one people" such hypocrisy! And that's when I learned that these are the same people who would have sold me into slavery or sold me for thirty peices of silver or hung me out to die on a wooden cross...
And for your information, it was the blacks in Africa who sold their "brothas" and "sistas" to the slave traders all for profit. So Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson could suck my dick when they cry for reparations! They should be blaming "Mother Africa" for the conducts of the past that was comitted by "its" own people. If they arent happy here, they should go back to Africa and better Africa...not try to use the race card and use Jesus's name to make a fuckin profit so they can lead extravagant lives and try to use the race card as a political platform....they should be talking about ways to make America better as one race...the human race....
What I said about about the 30 peices of silver and a wooden cross is just an analogy so please dont persecute me...I was just giving my experience...
Its no wonder why some races or ethnicities look at the black race with such disdain and think we are ignorant because of the media and those in the media like the music artists, or athletes, or entertainers.....youd expect "our people" to try to better themselves yet you have them glorifying violence, adultery, selling drugs, and turning a blind eye to knowledge....and you always see the race card being pulled especially with the black stripper crying rape who lied about it the whole time that these white men raped her....you dont see Al Sharpton aplogizing for his ignorance....
Im not trying to say that I hate my own race. I am a mixture of many ethnicities and have relatives from asian, caucasian, and spanish heritages but I can understand why people can stereotype a particular race because of the ones that are in the media..especially the music and entertainment and ploitcal industry....
Just my 2 cents...
Sorry to hear about your experience Jerry. I'll just comment on the racial climate in Hawaii. This isn't a racial utopia, but it is night and day compared to the mainland. I interact with all different races in a number of different settings and by and large there isn't a whole lot of overt racism here. It does exist and I see it, but it's on a much smaller scale than places like California, Arizona, Indiana, Mississippi, etc. Yes we've had "kill haole day (haole = white)," I hear the occasional reference to "papolos" (blacks), and some groups like native Hawaiians and Filipinos have to battle certain stereotypes, but overall the atmosphere is terrific.
My kids' "best friends" include white, black, Filipino, Hawaiian, Japanese, Hispanic, many variations of Pacific Islanders, and other Asians. It's a beautiful thing to see.
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I have also experienced more racism from black people than anyone else..
I am a subjective person who draws on experience. Alot of the black people I come across are racist, rude, lazy, violent and generally seem like bad apples. Of course I've run into many nice black folks as well, and it seems as though they are bred apart from their rude cousins.
I'm not a racist, but that doesn't mean I don't speak my mind. If I see foul play and reverse racism taking place, then I'm going to do my best to speak out and denounce it. The economic and social problems that plague the black community also effects other types of people.. It causes inequity in society and just creates more and more racial tension.
Like when certain black people are confronted with the stats of the huge black prison population, they automatically blame slavery or the justice system. Reality is, even with a 5% margin of error in convicted black felons, the actual number of convicted black felons would still be very high. These people don't want to aknowledge that there are cultural problems.. Equally disgusting is that no on realizes the pain and suffering of the victims of these felons.. Society as a whole is a victim.
Another thing that makes me angry is the double standards and blatant favoritism. If blacks as a whole perform at a lower level, then why should they recieve preferential treatment? It's reverse racism.
Throwing money at the problem, or continuing to play appologist will not solve anything for anyone. Not black people or society for that matter..
Now I'm not trying to put anyone down. I envy black people that are model citizens because it's just that much harder for them to break through the bs that their culture tries to sell them. But at the same time I have a point to make and it shouldn't offend anyone who doesn't fit my creteria of criticism.
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I have also experienced more racism from black people than anyone else..
I am a subjective person who draws on experience. Alot of the black people I come across are racist, rude, lazy, violent and generally seem like bad apples. Of course I've run into many nice black folks as well, and it seems as though they are bred apart from their rude cousins.
I'm not a racist, but that doesn't mean I don't speak my mind. If I see foul play and reverse racism taking place, then I'm going to do my best to speak out and denounce it. The economic and social problems that plague the black community also effects other types of people.. It causes inequity in society and just creates more and more racial tension.
Like when certain black people are confronted with the stats of the huge black prison population, they automatically blame slavery or the justice system. Reality is, even with a 5% margin of error in convicted black felons, the actual number of convicted black felons would still be very high. These people don't want to aknowledge that there are cultural problems.. Equally disgusting is that no on realizes the pain and suffering of the victims of these felons.. Society as a whole is a victim.
Another thing that makes me angry is the double standards and blatant favoritism. If blacks as a whole perform at a lower level, then why should they recieve preferential treatment? It's reverse racism.
Throwing money at the problem, or continuing to play appologist will not solve anything for anyone. Not black people or society for that matter..
Now I'm not trying to put anyone down. I envy black people that are model citizens because it's just that much harder for them to break through the bs that their culture tries to sell them. But at the same time I have a point to make and it shouldn't offend anyone who doesn't fit my creteria of criticism.
Well said Camel. Thanks for posting this. I don't agree with everything you say, but this is very thoughtful and intelligent commentary IMO.
There are a lot of problems in our society, but I don't believe that crime and rudeness are race-based. Those problems correlate to income and education more than anything. I was just talking to a friend of mine who used to be a parole officer. He confirmed that about 99 percent of the prisoners he encountered were not college graduates. No surprise.
Also, although I cannot prove this, I believe the absence of a strong father is the root cause of many of our societal problems.
The problems you speak of are not "black community" problems. They are American problems. It's something we all have to try and correct.
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I blame music as the culprit and movies glorifying violence.
Its everywhere nowdays...the music, the video games, entertainers trying to glorify "thug life", smackking hos, making it cool to steal another man's wife or girl....
Thats why you see a lot of women wanting to be with thugs and badboys.......its all about percepetion and trying to make it seem like one is leading the glamorous or dangerous life that some people want so mch to be apart of. If they want to be a part of a real dangerous life and be a badboy....join the Navy Seals, Air Force Pararescue, Delta Force, Marine Force Recon, ect...those are the real bad boys that we should look up to...
Im mixed with black, asian, spanish....but the black gene is more dominant in me than anything else although my mother is filipino....where I grew up in Hawaii, most locals didnt accept me because of the color of my skin. And when my parents decided to move to an area where there were military dependents,
it was the "black race" that treated me like an outsider like I had no reason to exist in this world because of my mixed heritage.
I have dealt with racism all my life from asians, whites, etc....but to be honest, I have experienced more "racism" if thats what you want to call it by the black race... and too be honest, it just seems the black race or those who I dealt with from my past who are a part of the "black race" treat people better than me who arent black....such "brotherhood"...its all a fuckin joke...
It was the whites/caucasians that treated me like I was a person and that treated me more with respect than the so called "brothas" who treated me like shit...and they claim to be brothers and "one people" such hypocrisy! And that's when I learned that these are the same people who would have sold me into slavery or sold me for thirty peices of silver or hung me out to die on a wooden cross...
And for your information, it was the blacks in Africa who sold their "brothas" and "sistas" to the slave traders all for profit. So Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson could suck my dick when they cry for reparations! They should be blaming "Mother Africa" for the conducts of the past that was comitted by "its" own people. If they arent happy here, they should go back to Africa and better Africa...not try to use the race card and use Jesus's name to make a fuckin profit so they can lead extravagant lives and try to use the race card as a political platform....they should be talking about ways to make America better as one race...the human race....
What I said about about the 30 peices of silver and a wooden cross is just an analogy so please dont persecute me...I was just giving my experience...
Its no wonder why some races or ethnicities look at the black race with such disdain and think we are ignorant because of the media and those in the media like the music artists, or athletes, or entertainers.....youd expect "our people" to try to better themselves yet you have them glorifying violence, adultery, selling drugs, and turning a blind eye to knowledge....and you always see the race card being pulled especially with the black stripper crying rape who lied about it the whole time that these white men raped her....you dont see Al Sharpton aplogizing for his ignorance....
Im not trying to say that I hate my own race. I am a mixture of many ethnicities and have relatives from asian, caucasian, and spanish heritages but I can understand why people can stereotype a particular race because of the ones that are in the media..especially the music and entertainment and ploitcal industry....
Just my 2 cents...
Check this out cha cha...Im a mixture of black and puerto rican...Im a very proud person who is proud of my race...I know you have your own experiences that shape your opinion but mine have been totally opposite. I went to an all black/mexican elementary school and have a very easy time being accepted by friends black and mexican accepted me with very open arms. There has never been a time where i felt like an outsider...
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Check this out cha cha...Im a mixture of black and puerto rican...Im a very proud person who is proud of my race...I know you have your own experiences that shape your opinion but mine have been totally opposite. I went to an all black/mexican elementary school and have a very easy time being accepted by friends black and mexican accepted me with very open arms. There has never been a time where i felt like an outsider...
It maybe related to how you carry yourself.
Regardless, mal, you seem to be a great guy. Keep going as you're already going and maybe that'll spark change in others.
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I have also experienced more racism from black people than anyone else..
I am a subjective person who draws on experience. Alot of the black people I come across are racist, rude, lazy, violent and generally seem like bad apples.
CJ, I keep telling ya, ...you need to move to a better neighbourhood if you're going to encounter better people.
Of course I've run into many nice black folks as well, and it seems as though they are bred apart from their rude cousins.
Shouldn't that in itself speak volumes?
Now I'm not trying to put anyone down. I envy black people that are model citizens because it's just that much harder for them to break through the bs that their culture tries to sell them. But at the same time I have a point to make and it shouldn't offend anyone who doesn't fit my creteria of criticism.
Culture comes from many areas, ...and it's not just about colour or race. A ghetto culture will breed a ghetto mentality whether the person is black, white, yellow, brown, green, or purple. By the same token, someone raised in a culture with values will have those values and priorities instilled in them, regardless of their race or colour.
No need to be envious of me or accord me any special accolades. There was no bs to break through, because "my culture" as you put it, was not what you assume. It wasn't trying to sell me a lifestyle of criminality.
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In the same breath you have to classify the spectators below as savages also. Does that speak for their entire race.
Yup, some sick fuckers there. Mob mentality at its finest.
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What I am trying to say is its all about hypocracy. Many claim unity and try to say they believe in Martin Luther King juniors dream but do nothing but cause division. They claim "brotherhood" but cant even accept someone in their "own" race...
Example: R Kelly...preaches God and claims he believes in HIM but talks about in songs that he will sleep with anybody's woman and its the man's fault because his game isnt "tight"
Lot of things I tend to think about? Why are minorities the majority who are at risk for STDs? Why are most minorities stereotyped as thugs and nothing but thieves, gang bangers, ignorant people who can talk slang and eat nothing but watermellon and chicken, cheat and use white women for money and sex...etc?
One thing that pisses me off....That cop who killed that pregnant woman in Ohio. First thing that came to mind is that he is one sick individual! Second thing is what kind of values did his "momma" teach him? Usually black families are a supposed tight unit that pray together and go to church together. Where did this man get his values? Such "values" they taught their son!
I carry myself with dignity and sometimes it pisses me off when women tend to look for the thugs. One woman didnt like me because I wasnt black enough...makes me laugh that some women/people expect you to be a certain way because you are black. There is ignorance in every fuckin circle....I hope that woman gets fuckin used.
I must sound spiteful huh? But I think society is kinda screwed up and values are very misguided in today's age and we have the media to blame because it is the media that is shaping our values..but it hurts me the most because since I am a descendent of the black race and from what I experienced, it is the black race that has let me down the most. Those are the ones that has turned the knife in me the most compared to any other ethnicity. It was a black man that an ex girlfriend was sleeping around on me with. It was the "thug" mentality that got me taken advantage of when I loaned a few people I trusted when I lent them money but got me burned in the end. It was a black woman that did nothing but try to ruin my name all because Ive dated outside of my supposed "race" so just because I am mixed but look more "black" I wasnt entitled to date women of asian, spanish, or caucasian descent? I am considered a sellout because I am with a suposed other "race" but the irony of it all was no black woman ever approached me when I was single nor cared that I was single but vented out when they saw me with someone outside of my "race"? Another example...at a New Year's eve party, these group of black guys were going to jump my friend who is white/asian just because one of their friends bumped into him and make "their" friend spill his drink. When I stood up for my friend, one brotha told me he was going to shoot me! LOL Thug mentality and what they learned from rap songs wont let that person fight fair or try to reason like a human being intelligently? They are a fuckin joke and disgrace...that person isnt shit without his "boys" or without that "gun". Again, its only black people that I had to deal with this situation from...never had to exeperience this situation from any other ethnicity except for the black race. Why is that? Please someone tell me?
Whne I go to to a club and take my girlfriend with me, it is the black men knowing full well that this woman is my girlfriend but tries to sneak his number to her and tries to get with her. And the club had a diverse crowd but it was only the black men who were trying to steal another man's woman? Why is that? Someone please tell me...
It seems like there is no "honor" from a people who claim they are honorable... Ive been treated more respectfully from people who arent african american....how that for irony? Is this coincidence....nope..mak es me wonder how come the black race seems to be regressing? Again I dont hate my heritage but it makes me wonder a lot why I am who I am and why blacks have treated me worse than any other race....is it me or is it because of values that music or media teaches them...makes me wonder a lot. Maybe it is just me but all I can go from is experience...
All I can be is me and be the best I can to every person regardless of sex, gender, nationality or sexual orientation, or social status...
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According to the news, the cop (Cutss) has a daughter with a woman named Nikki Giavasis. He broke into her home and caught ex basketball player Shawn Kemp with her...
This is what she looked like! I bet you this woman cheated on him with ex basketball player Shawn Kemp. Alot of white females that look this good, tend to cheat on men they are with especially to men who are richer and famous....
If this is surely her...she looks like a tramp! She has a lot of "thugged out" brothas on her myspace page too!
I did a search from her...this woman used to live in Ohio but now lives in California...I believe this is her...she is actually in the fitness industry! According to her bio she has a daughter as well...
http://www.fitsights.com/nikkigiavasis/home.shtml (http://www.fitsights.com/nikkigiavasis/home.shtml)
http://www.discovergirls.com/nikki1.htm (http://www.discovergirls.com/nikki1.htm)
Her myspace: http://www.myspace.com/sweetnikkigiavasis (http://www.myspace.com/sweetnikkigiavasis)
Ive dated a lot of white females who date nothing but black men. Ive found them to be very promiscous and always with a different man. They never stay with the same man..either because they cheat or have been cheated on...
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More about Bobby Cutts and Nikki Giavasis. The freakin loser had a personal ad:
http://truecrimeblog.blogspot.com/?p=436 (http://truecrimeblog.blogspot.com/?p=436)
Its going to turn into a race issue soon because all the women whom he fathered children with are all white females....
Remember what I said about the "playa" mentality. Most white females who date specifically black men know that the man is a dog but doesnt care because they are attracted to the thuglifestyle...its a peice of shit lifestyle if you ask me!
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I must sound spiteful huh? But I think society is kinda screwed up and values are very misguided in today's age and we have the media to blame because it is the media that is shaping our values..but it hurts me the most because since I am a descendent of the black race and from what I experienced, it is the black race that has let me down the most. Those are the ones that has turned the knife in me the most compared to any other ethnicity. It was a black man that an ex girlfriend was sleeping around on me with. It was the "thug" mentality that got me taken advantage of when I loaned a few people I trusted when I lent them money but got me burned in the end. It was a black woman that did nothing but try to ruin my name all because Ive dated outside of my supposed "race" so just because I am mixed but look more "black" I wasnt entitled to date women of asian, spanish, or caucasian descent? I am considered a sellout because I am with a suposed other "race" but the irony of it all was no black woman ever approached me when I was single nor cared that I was single but vented out when they saw me with someone outside of my "race"? Another example...at a New Year's eve party, these group of black guys were going to jump my friend who is white/asian just because one of their friends bumped into him and make "their" friend spill his drink. When I stood up for my friend, one brotha told me he was going to shoot me! LOL Thug mentality and what they learned from rap songs wont let that person fight fair or try to reason like a human being intelligently? They are a fuckin joke and disgrace...that person isnt shit without his "boys" or without that "gun". Again, its only black people that I had to deal with this situation from...never had to exeperience this situation from any other ethnicity except for the black race. Why is that? Please someone tell me?
Jerryme7, I understand your pain, as I have experienced the same kind of ignorance, both in real life and on these boards, ...however, I have to ask you... do you really think that's a "Black" thing, ...or an "ignorance" thing?
I too have gotten grief for dating outside my race, the majority of which has come from fellow Blacks, ...however, I can assure you that there are white people who also date outside their race, and upon whom is also visited the same grief from whites. Ignorance is ignorance, ...and to ascribe a colour or race to it, ...is in my opinion, ignorant.
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The socioeconomic position the black race has been placed in due to all the legal variables over the years has had ramifications that have manifested themself, yes. Myself, I always work for upliftment in all ways. Whether it be charitable donations, various acts I undertake, always presenting myself in a positive light and not ever giving a valid reason for anyone to infer I am inferior etc..
Irrespective of the undeniable injustices levied upon us through history, I do believe we as a people must help ourself as it is the only viable option, and I don't just say that...I do it in many ways.
That being said, turning your back never helps. No matter where I go in life or what I achieve, I will always know where I came from and have pride in it. If we all were to share the mentality of "avoiding falling into the cracks" and presenting ourself with dignity and pride, as to be above reproach, we would all be a alot better off. Some become drug addicts/criminals which then negatively impacts us all. On the flip side, some turn againest our own people which is just as damaging in another capacity.
People can try and convince themself and others and phrase it how they want.....but perhaps when one is treated so bad by their own race there is a reason. The bitterness and internal hatred of ones own race can permeate and be visible to others. I alientate drug addicts and criminals [for personal safety and just cause they are losers as well ;D] people who damage my race with there actions. I also an not keen on others who damage my race with their actions in a different form. Dress it up how you want.....an Uncle Tom is an Uncle Tom.
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CQ, that is very well said.
I have only one issue with what you wrote, and that is your use of "Uncle Tom" as a pejorative.
I can understand why the image that he has come to represent is so distasteful to you, ...it is distasteful to me as well, ...however, I have come to the understanding that the vilification of Josiah Hension (his real name) was started by those very same people who sought to keep Blacks from emancipation. As a Canadian, I am very familiar with the impact Josiah Henson had on the lives of many a runaway slave. There are many cities in Canada (Toronto, Chatham, Windsor, Sarnia, Kitchener etc., etc) that were indeed founded by those who passed through Josiah's cabin, their last stop on their road to freedom. In my opinion, the man is a hero, and the ultimate soldier. Make no mistake there was a war, ...and here was a man who could be so innocuous as to operate right under the enemy's nose, without even so much as raising an eyebrow. It took one heckuva lot of courage, not to mention self-discipline to pull off what he did, and there are countless thousands along with their descendants, who have both him and Harriet Tubman to thank.
Many Blacks find the war-time demeanor of Josiah Henson distasteful, and prefer the militancy of a Malcolm X or a Louis Farrakhan as a means of regaining their "manhood", ...but I ask you, ...do you really think that a Malcom X, or a Louis Farrakhan with their bellicose styles could have accomplished what Josiah did? Sometimes you can win the battle and lose the war. When one's ego gets in the way of the mission at hand, then one is unfit to serve, command, or lead. The bottom line is results, ...and Josiah Henson produced results.
He saved far many more asses than he kissed. In my book, the man is a hero.
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Good post Jag, and informative also.
To clarify though, I used the term Uncle Tom just in the colloquial sense that it has somewhat become socially, not actually referring to the character, as I agree with your overall point.
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Good post Jag, and informative also.
To clarify though, I used the term Uncle Tom just in the colloquial sense that it has somewhat become socially, not actually referring to the character, as I agree with your overall point.
Ya CQ, I know what you meant. I sometimes use it in that sense too, ...but every once in a while I have to stop myself and realize that by doing so, ...I play right into the agenda of others, by going along with, and perpetuating an undeserved smear, and unjustifiable character assasination against a real North American hero.
As long as we allow ourselves to buy into and perpetuate lies that good is bad, or right is wrong, or strength is weakness, then we will continue to be led around by the nose, by those who really do not have our best interests at heart.