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Title: Hardcore Gym Stories
Post by: Cee21Jay on June 26, 2007, 01:07:43 PM
I was reminiscing with a friend today about some hardcore gym stories from the past.  We were discussing what other people, gym members etc. would think who witnessed some of these stories. This is one of my  deadlift stories.

 My training partner was getting ready to deadlift.  He loaded up till he was slightly over 600lbs.  He had heavy metal blaring through his walkman and was pacing around the deadlift area. After a bit of this he slammed his walkman into the ground and chalked his hands.  I was looking through the mirror and noticed an older frail lady stop and look over at him.  He did some grunting etc..  She began to give him a really nasty look.  He began the set and slammed the weight onto the ground and grunted with every rep.  I gave the occasional "easy weight" cues as encouragement.  On about his 3rd rep he began tearing his shins up and began to bleed.  I think he finished about 3 more and slammed the weight to the ground.  The lady was staring right at him with a bitchy look.  He takes off his heavy powerlifting ratchet belt and throws it about 30 feet into the power racks and yells.  At this point the lady is still staring at him like she is trying to kill him with her mind.  She is about 15 feet away. He notices her and walks close.  At this time he props his foot on the bench to expose his bloodied shins.  He then wipes the blood off his shins with his hand, stares the women straight in the eyes and said "blood is the life" as he licked the blood from his hands. 

It is strange because years past I thought nothing of this but now I think WTF.

Please comment on what you would be thinking as this event unfolded and provide hardcore stories of your own.

Title: Re: Hardcore Gym Stories
Post by: The Squadfather on June 26, 2007, 01:14:03 PM
hahahaha, wow, "he" sounds hardcore. ::)
Title: Re: Hardcore Gym Stories
Post by: Cee21Jay on June 26, 2007, 01:16:23 PM
hahahaha, wow, "he" sounds hardcore. ::)

Now what would your reaction be to this?  Disgust? Admiration?  I don't think you get much more "hardcore"?
Title: Re: Hardcore Gym Stories
Post by: The Squadfather on June 26, 2007, 01:19:13 PM

Now what would your reaction be to this?  Disgust? Admiration?  I don't think you get much more "hardcore"?
since it never happened i wouldn't have a reaction.
Title: Re: Hardcore Gym Stories
Post by: Cee21Jay on June 26, 2007, 01:21:02 PM
since it never happened i wouldn't have a reaction.

Then pretend it did.  Why would I make it up? 
Title: Re: Hardcore Gym Stories
Post by: Below Me on June 26, 2007, 01:21:39 PM
Would Benoit's home gym be considered HARDCORE?
Title: Re: Hardcore Gym Stories
Post by: The Squadfather on June 26, 2007, 01:22:57 PM
Then pretend it did.  Why would I make it up? 
hahahahaha, come on man, quit trying to fit in so bad, how many people deadlft 600 for 6-7 reps, who was this guy Bill Kazmaier? you can't bullshit me, i've been around, sell your stories to the tourists and newbies.
Title: Re: Hardcore Gym Stories
Post by: JasonH on June 26, 2007, 01:23:42 PM
So what did the old woman do?  ???
Title: Re: Hardcore Gym Stories
Post by: Cee21Jay on June 26, 2007, 01:26:54 PM
hahahahaha, come on man, quit trying to fit in so bad, how many people deadlft 600 for 6-7 reps, who was this guy Bill Kazmaier? you can't bullshit me, i've been around, sell your stories to the tourists and newbies.

This is the reason I am telling it is because it is unique.  I am sure not many people have seen something like this.  I can only discuss these stories with a few people.  I figured all large number of people could hear something unique and I can see what their reactions are.  I have no motive to B.S.
Title: Re: Hardcore Gym Stories
Post by: The Squadfather on June 26, 2007, 01:27:22 PM
This is the reason I am telling it is because it is unique.  I am sure not many people have seen something like this.  I can only discuss these stories with a few people.  I figured all large number of people could hear something unique and I can see what their reactions are.  I have no motive to B.S.
::)
Title: Re: Hardcore Gym Stories
Post by: Cee21Jay on June 26, 2007, 01:29:43 PM
So what did the old woman do?  ???

She went to the front desk.  I think she left, but we left soon after anyways.  We were threatened so many times by the owner that we would be kicked out.  I think the fact I was a young guy and the owner liked me and my training partner was very well known and liked they never kicked us out.  Hindsight,  she should have made us leave.
Title: Re: Hardcore Gym Stories
Post by: Fulgorre on June 26, 2007, 02:48:34 PM
I've been around gyms for years and never seen anything like this happen.

I have seen/heard guys yelling on every rep and it is both funny an annoying at the same time.  It does make for a great workout though.  Men need a place to let loose and channel all their testonogenic energy away without hurting others.  This place should be World's, Gold's or Powerhouse gym.  But we all know it is getting harder and harder to act like an aggressive man, even when lifting 300-400-500 lbs.  Surrounded by metrosexual males with too much hair gel, designer shoes, and long basketball shorts worn to cover legs a baby chicken would be ashamed to show in public, the real men are punished or kicked out for simply being a man.

Rocky said it best to Adrean, "I don't ask you to stop being a woman.  Don't ask me to stop being a man."  Yeah, it is that simple.  Women who can't handle being around large, muscular men lifting weights need to get a reality check.  It isn't going to change. EVER!  Real men cannot stop being men just because some 143lbs trainer tells him to pipe down.  And the reality is such men will always find a gym to train at OR bounce back and forth between mutiple gyms if people complain.

With this said, no reason to go overboard and be an ass.  But do  grunt or even scream if you feel like it.  Every once in a while lift up your arms while some metrosexual kid is lifting up his shirt in the gym for the ladies.  Own them, give a hearty chuckle, bang some weights.

I just realized this is probably good enough to submit to ANIMAL training lol.

HARDCORE!!!
Title: Re: Hardcore Gym Stories
Post by: BroadStreetBruiser on June 26, 2007, 02:50:14 PM
Did you hear the one about the guy who strangled his wife, smothered his kid and then did a neck workout till he died of suffication?
Title: Re: Hardcore Gym Stories
Post by: Cee21Jay on June 26, 2007, 05:09:55 PM
I've been around gyms for years and never seen anything like this happen.

I have seen/heard guys yelling on every rep and it is both funny an annoying at the same time.  It does make for a great workout though.  Men need a place to let loose and channel all their testonogenic energy away without hurting others.  This place should be World's, Gold's or Powerhouse gym.  But we all know it is getting harder and harder to act like an aggressive man, even when lifting 300-400-500 lbs.  Surrounded by metrosexual males with too much hair gel, designer shoes, and long basketball shorts worn to cover legs a baby chicken would be ashamed to show in public, the real men are punished or kicked out for simply being a man.

Rocky said it best to Adrean, "I don't ask you to stop being a woman.  Don't ask me to stop being a man."  Yeah, it is that simple.  Women who can't handle being around large, muscular men lifting weights need to get a reality check.  It isn't going to change. EVER!  Real men cannot stop being men just because some 143lbs trainer tells him to pipe down.  And the reality is such men will always find a gym to train at OR bounce back and forth between mutiple gyms if people complain.

With this said, no reason to go overboard and be an ass.  But do  grunt or even scream if you feel like it.  Every once in a while lift up your arms while some metrosexual kid is lifting up his shirt in the gym for the ladies.  Own them, give a hearty chuckle, bang some weights.

I just realized this is probably good enough to submit to ANIMAL training lol.

HARDCORE!!!


I would say that is a balanced and accurate response. 

When this event  happened I truly thought it was just another day. The manager would worn us all the time about lesser offences similar to this.  Anytime blood was involved I was adamant my training partner cleaned it up.  Cleaning up blood is not so hardcore.  Today I don't think it was necessary and simply grin.  I have found over the last couple years I had a very unique experience in that gym.  I trained there for almost 10 yrs and saw maybe 5 spectacular or bizarre things like this.  The other thing I found out over the last couple of years is that the caliber of strength and size deluded my sense of reality.  For example I thought  a 600lb deadlift was average or a 245 lb man under 10% bodyfat was "almost" big.  I am now truly realizing these stats are incredible.  Not sure that SF has really been around the block but I remember nights walking into the gym and seeing upwards of 8 guys that could deadlift greater than 600 lbs for reps.  I think the delusion  I felt was felt by all and the reason there were so many impressive guys.  I say they were impressive but felt they were average at the time.  I went to visit a few months ago and the owners crowded out the deadlift and squatting areas to keep the "hardcore" guys out.  Most of the hardcore guys are now bouncing between gyms as you say. I would certainly share more experiences if there is an interest. I would also like to hear others stories to make comparisons to my experience.
Title: Re: Hardcore Gym Stories
Post by: SirTraps on June 26, 2007, 05:19:37 PM
Fuck off CeeJay, thats total ghey bulklshit
Title: Re: Hardcore Gym Stories
Post by: jaejonna on June 26, 2007, 05:21:21 PM
Did you hear the one about the guy who strangled his wife, smothered his kid and then did a neck workout till he died of suffication?
Now thats fucking hard to the mutha fucking Core bro.....continue...
Title: Re: Hardcore Gym Stories
Post by: marcus on June 26, 2007, 05:25:54 PM
Did you hear the one about the guy who strangled his wife, smothered his kid and then did a neck workout till he died of suffication?

So who's more hardcore, him, Titus, or Bertil Fox?
Title: Re: Hardcore Gym Stories
Post by: jaejonna on June 26, 2007, 05:28:13 PM
So who's more hardcore, him, Titus, or Bertil Fox?
Benoit, he killed his son...thats fucking sick HARD insane-CORage right there bra... the other two merked bitches....
Title: Re: Hardcore Gym Stories
Post by: dr.chimps on June 26, 2007, 05:28:53 PM
Did you hear the one about the guy who strangled his wife, smothered his kid and then did a neck workout till he died of suffication?
ROFL

/aisle seat, please
Title: Re: Hardcore Gym Stories
Post by: HalloweenMan on June 26, 2007, 05:29:03 PM
if that happened when i was there i would laugh in his face and tell him to grow up and stop acting like a child and that blood drinking is for gay teenagers into vampires.  
by the way, nice deadlift lie.  
Title: Re: Hardcore Gym Stories
Post by: SirTraps on June 26, 2007, 05:29:55 PM
Sally McNeil

(http://www.members.tripod.com/~VanessaWest/klebold12.jpg)
Title: Re: Hardcore Gym Stories
Post by: Cee21Jay on June 26, 2007, 05:30:55 PM
if that happened when i was there i would laugh in his face and tell him to grow up and stop acting like a child and that blood drinking is for gay teenagers into vampires. 
by the way, nice deadlift lie. 

I don't think you would he was pretty intimidating and a nice guy.
Title: Re: Hardcore Gym Stories
Post by: jaejonna on June 26, 2007, 05:31:14 PM
Sally McNeil

(http://www.members.tripod.com/~VanessaWest/klebold12.jpg)
Benoits arms were too short to use a pistol like that to off himself....he prefered 'hanging' neck lifts...
Title: Re: Hardcore Gym Stories
Post by: The Squadfather on June 26, 2007, 07:56:19 PM

I would say that is a balanced and accurate response. 

When this event  happened I truly thought it was just another day. The manager would worn us all the time about lesser offences similar to this.  Anytime blood was involved I was adamant my training partner cleaned it up.  Cleaning up blood is not so hardcore.  Today I don't think it was necessary and simply grin.  I have found over the last couple years I had a very unique experience in that gym.  I trained there for almost 10 yrs and saw maybe 5 spectacular or bizarre things like this.  The other thing I found out over the last couple of years is that the caliber of strength and size deluded my sense of reality.  For example I thought  a 600lb deadlift was average or a 245 lb man under 10% bodyfat was "almost" big.  I am now truly realizing these stats are incredible.  Not sure that SF has really been around the block but I remember nights walking into the gym and seeing upwards of 8 guys that could deadlift greater than 600 lbs for reps.  I think the delusion  I felt was felt by all and the reason there were so many impressive guys.  I say they were impressive but felt they were average at the time.  I went to visit a few months ago and the owners crowded out the deadlift and squatting areas to keep the "hardcore" guys out.  Most of the hardcore guys are now bouncing between gyms as you say. I would certainly share more experiences if there is an interest. I would also like to hear others stories to make comparisons to my experience.
hahahahahhaa, i love when these clowns break out the old, "not sure if SF has been around but i didn't think that a 900 pound deadlift for 10 reps was all that impressive or that a guy 5'8" and 310 pounds at 2 percent bodyfat was considered big" or the old "back when i was coming up we had 25 guys in the same gym benching 850 for 15 so i just considered it normal" ::)
Title: Re: Hardcore Gym Stories
Post by: Andre Nickatina on June 26, 2007, 07:59:05 PM
I was reminiscing with a friend today about some hardcore gym stories from the past.  We were discussing what other people, gym members etc. would think who witnessed some of these stories. This is one of my  deadlift stories.

 My training partner was getting ready to deadlift.  He loaded up till he was slightly over 600lbs.  He had heavy metal blaring through his walkman and was pacing around the deadlift area. After a bit of this he slammed his walkman into the ground and chalked his hands.  I was looking through the mirror and noticed an older frail lady stop and look over at him.  He did some grunting etc..  She began to give him a really nasty look.  He began the set and slammed the weight onto the ground and grunted with every rep.  I gave the occasional "easy weight" cues as encouragement.  On about his 3rd rep he began tearing his shins up and began to bleed.  I think he finished about 3 more and slammed the weight to the ground.  The lady was staring right at him with a bitchy look.  He takes off his heavy powerlifting ratchet belt and throws it about 30 feet into the power racks and yells.  At this point the lady is still staring at him like she is trying to kill him with her mind.  She is about 15 feet away. He notices her and walks close.  At this time he props his foot on the bench to expose his bloodied shins.  He then wipes the blood off his shins with his hand, stares the women straight in the eyes and said "blood is the life" as he licked the blood from his hands. 

It is strange because years past I thought nothing of this but now I think WTF.

Please comment on what you would be thinking as this event unfolded and provide hardcore stories of your own.


HAHHAH What a dumbass
Title: Re: Hardcore Gym Stories
Post by: CARTEL on June 26, 2007, 08:00:03 PM
Squadfather, if you want people to pretend to believe your bullshit stories, you should probably pretend to believe theirs.
Title: Re: Hardcore Gym Stories
Post by: The Squadfather on June 26, 2007, 08:01:51 PM
Squadfather, if you want people to pretend to believe your bullshit stories, you should probably pretend to believe theirs.
i've never claimed anything about myself that was remotely bullshit.
Title: Re: Hardcore Gym Stories
Post by: Andre Nickatina on June 26, 2007, 08:02:27 PM
At least squadfathers are funny sort of. This guy "licks bloood from his shins!!" fucking hardcore to be an idiot and stare down old ladys these days huh?
Title: Re: Hardcore Gym Stories
Post by: The Squadfather on June 26, 2007, 08:03:07 PM
At least squadfathers are funny sort of. This guy "licks bloood from his shins!!" fucking hardcore to be an idiot and stare down old ladys these days huh?
hahahahahhaa, 600 pounds for 6 reps. ::)
Title: Re: Hardcore Gym Stories
Post by: CARTEL on June 26, 2007, 08:07:17 PM
i've never claimed anything about myself that was remotely bullshit.

Except the fact that a fat dude walks around owning people on a daily basis using the same damn scenario each time.

The only thing that changes are the settings and the amount of HA's you use.

At least Andre is easily amused by the same tired stories.
Title: Re: Hardcore Gym Stories
Post by: The Squadfather on June 26, 2007, 08:10:59 PM
Except the fact that a fat dude walks around owning people on a daily basis using the same damn scenario each time.

The only thing that changes are the settings and the amount of HA's you use.

At least Andre is easily amused by the same tired stories.
every last one of those scenarios really happened, hahahaha, if it was you i'd do it to you as well. ;D
Title: Re: Hardcore Gym Stories
Post by: CARTEL on June 26, 2007, 08:13:38 PM
every last one of those scenarios really happened, hahahaha, if it was you i'd do it to you as well. ;D

No you wouldn't.

You would be in such awe you would probably swallow your toothbrush.
Title: Re: Hardcore Gym Stories
Post by: The Squadfather on June 26, 2007, 08:15:30 PM
No you wouldn't.

You would be in such awe you would probably swallow your toothbrush.
let's see some pics "big guy". ;D
Title: Re: Hardcore Gym Stories
Post by: CARTEL on June 26, 2007, 08:19:41 PM
let's see some pics "big guy". ;D

Ever since you got outed you have been pulling that card. I liked it better when you were anonymous.
Title: Re: Hardcore Gym Stories
Post by: The Squadfather on June 26, 2007, 08:22:23 PM
Ever since you got outed you have been pulling that card. I liked it better when you were anonymous.
epic avoidance of the issue, when should we expect to see your pics? ;D
Title: Re: Hardcore Gym Stories
Post by: CARTEL on June 26, 2007, 08:26:03 PM
epic avoidance of the issue, when should we expect to see your pics? ;D

About the same time you get ripped. Maybe if I was a Myspace attention whore I might have some for you but alas, I am not.
Title: Re: Hardcore Gym Stories
Post by: The Squadfather on June 26, 2007, 08:30:29 PM
About the same time you get ripped. Maybe if I was a Myspace attention whore I might have some for you but alas, I am not.
hahahahah, just what i thought, another chickenshit.......chalk up another Sarcasm victim. ;D
Title: Re: Hardcore Gym Stories
Post by: TooPowerful4u on June 26, 2007, 08:50:49 PM
i've never claimed anything about myself that was remotely bullshit.

you claimed to be bigger than me... that is total *caugh caugh* BULLSHIT.  lol.  I carry probably 10 more lbs LBM than you do, and you even get the benefit of the doubt with bigger bones, skin, etc!  You wanna be me admit it  ;D now go call your gay lover johnpaul to defend you... i sense his homosexual presence.... the gaydar is beeping louder... he should be here in 3...2...1....
Title: Re: Hardcore Gym Stories
Post by: The Squadfather on June 26, 2007, 08:54:02 PM
you claimed to be bigger than me... that is total *caugh caugh* BULLSHIT.  lol.  I carry probably 10 more lbs LBM than you do, and you even get the benefit of the doubt with bigger bones, skin, etc!  You wanna be me admit it  ;D now go call your gay lover johnpaul to defend you... i sense his homosexual presence.... the gaydar is beeping louder... he should be here in 3...2...1....
hahahahahaha, yeah i'm totally wishing i was you "toopowerful", all i need to do is shrink 4 inches in height, lose a couple of inches on each arm, lose a couple of inches of width on each shoulder, lose 40 pounds and take some meth for your classic bug eyed look. ;D
Title: Re: Hardcore Gym Stories
Post by: Andre Nickatina on June 26, 2007, 09:56:28 PM
IF that first story was actually true .....
















.... that is the dumbest fucking thing I have ever heard in my life. I dont care how heavy the weight is you dont need to make your shins bleed and throw your walkman around and lick your wound in front of some old lady.

I havent deadlifted anywhere near 600 but 455 and althought it was tough as all fuck and I only did it twice.. there was no need for all the drama...grunting and slamming I understand its fuckin heavy but all that other bullshit totally unneccessary and annoying as shit.

I came into do legs one day and there was this trainer and 3 or 4 other dudes squatting on the smith machine with three plates a side... screaming SOO LOUD! It was like a baby was popping out of their vagina.. totally unncessary I wished so bad they would finish and leave the fuckin gym.. very distracting...
Hahah yes thats not hardcore its just idiotic. Hardcore is just lifting til you cant lift shit anymore and not being a pussy drama queen about it.
Title: Re: Hardcore Gym Stories
Post by: CARTEL on June 26, 2007, 10:31:34 PM
hahahahah, just what i thought, another chickenshit.......chalk up another Sarcasm victim. ;D

And what pictures do you have? Two bloated assed, weird angled, XXXL shirt covered pics. You are an attack on my senses.

You have to do better than that to call someone out.

But keep your chins up. At least you are still in your prime  ::)
Title: Re: Hardcore Gym Stories
Post by: Cee21Jay on June 27, 2007, 06:52:53 AM
IF that first story was actually true .....
















.... that is the dumbest fucking thing I have ever heard in my life. I dont care how heavy the weight is you dont need to make your shins bleed and throw your walkman around and lick your wound in front of some old lady.

I havent deadlifted anywhere near 600 but 455 and althought it was tough as all fuck and I only did it twice.. there was no need for all the drama...grunting and slamming I understand its fuckin heavy but all that other bullshit totally unneccessary and annoying as shit.

I came into do legs one day and there was this trainer and 3 or 4 other dudes squatting on the smith machine with three plates a side... screaming SOO LOUD! It was like a baby was popping out of their vagina.. totally unncessary I wished so bad they would finish and leave the fuckin gym.. very distracting...

He was kind of immature and still is.  He was almost 30 at the time and he would say blood is life constantly (although this time blood was involved). Besides the grunting and blood he was pretty socially savvy.  I think back and if the women called him on licking his blood he would have charmed the crap out of her and convinced her that intensity and grunting was necessary to train.  I remember leg days were like a show and I think people of all ages actually liked the spectacle.  For example when we started training legs together on Sunday's the place would be empty (every Sunday).  Then like 6 months later Sunday mornings were packed.  I think most just wanted to see him do legs and see what came next.  After we stopped training together Sunday's were dead again. People would stop and smile while he would grunt and yell and actually come up and give him positive comments on his lifts (soccer dad's as well as the "hardcore").  I truly think his intensity motivated many.  Many average people admitted his actions and lifts motivated them. You have to remember he lifted insane weights, was very muscular and charismatic.  It seemed to be okay in his situation.  I think people would have been annoyed if it was a "normal" human who was not likable.  Maybe there is a criteria that makes hardcore more acceptable by most of the population.  Your example of the smith trainers doing 3-4 plates probably would have annoyed me also.  Remember this example is one of his extremes.
Title: Re: Hardcore Gym Stories
Post by: Cee21Jay on June 27, 2007, 07:00:13 AM
hahahahahhaa, i love when these clowns break out the old, "not sure if SF has been around but i didn't think that a 900 pound deadlift for 10 reps was all that impressive or that a guy 5'8" and 310 pounds at 2 percent bodyfat was considered big" or the old "back when i was coming up we had 25 guys in the same gym benching 850 for 15 so i just considered it normal" ::)

What you say for weights is absurd.  What I said is grounded in reality. Please do not transfer your perceived limitations onto others.  Your response confirms to me you have had no contact in the gym with high level powerlifters or bodybuilders.
Title: Re: Hardcore Gym Stories
Post by: TooPowerful4u on June 27, 2007, 07:47:04 AM
EDIT BELOW

hahahahahaha, yeah i'm totally wishing i was you "toopowerful", all i need to do is shrink 4 inches in height, lose a couple of inches on each arm (which are really 16inches when you take all the fat off), lose a couple of inches of width on each shoulder (after i take off my 3 shirts and realize my clavicle isnt as wide as i thought and got forbid i lose the fat on my shoulders and realize im even NARROWER), lose 40 pounds (i mean 50lbs of pure fat) and take some meth for your classic bug eyed look. ;D (and see a plastic surgeon for my triple chin)

Title: Re: Hardcore Gym Stories
Post by: HalloweenMan on June 27, 2007, 09:03:12 AM
I don't think you would he was pretty intimidating and a nice guy.

nah, i would have, your friend sounds like a big pussy, all show, homo, kinda like those black dudes who yell and scream til night comes but then as soon as someone says something back, they shut up. 
 ::)
again, nice deadlift lie
Title: Re: Hardcore Gym Stories
Post by: SS on June 27, 2007, 09:07:06 AM
"bugged eye look" hahahahaha! owned owned owned OWNED!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Hardcore Gym Stories
Post by: nder98 on June 27, 2007, 09:11:23 AM
At least squadfathers are funny sort of. This guy "licks bloood from his shins!!" fucking hardcore to be an idiot and stare down old ladys these days huh?

Im curious, now did he bend over and lick his chins? or did he lift his leg up and then stare at the lady and then lick his chins while holding his legs up to his mouth?  ;D ;D
Title: Re: Hardcore Gym Stories
Post by: Big Worm on June 27, 2007, 10:39:31 AM
hahahaha, wow, "he" sounds hardcore. ::)
Watch out...Don't you know?













 Blood is the life?
Title: Re: Hardcore Gym Stories
Post by: Big Worm on June 27, 2007, 10:41:30 AM
So what did the old woman do?  ???
She whipped out her bloody Tampon...Slapped him on the face with it ...and said....... NO BITCH !!!! LIFE IS THE BLOOD!!!
Title: Re: Hardcore Gym Stories
Post by: Cee21Jay on June 27, 2007, 03:48:32 PM
nah, i would have, your friend sounds like a big pussy, all show, homo, kinda like those black dudes who yell and scream til night comes but then as soon as someone says something back, they shut up. 
 ::)
again, nice deadlift lie

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