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Getbig Misc Discussion Boards => Religious Debates & Threads => Topic started by: OzmO on June 27, 2007, 11:28:36 AM
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Is it just as much of a sin to commit murder as it is to have premarital sex?
Since there is mostly Christians on this board what does alleged "word of God" in the bible say on this?
I'm curious.
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Excellent question and one I've wondered about many times.
Confession and contrition in essence wipe away any sin committed, at least that was my interpretation of it but does that mean murderers and rapists can be welcomed into Heaven simply by going to confession?
Is there no sin that is too heinous to be wiped out by confession?
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Pretty sure the only unforgivable sin in Christianity is to reject Christ as Savior.
as to degrees of sin, this is interesting (from biblebb.com John MacArthur)
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Are there degrees of sin, as far as...I’m thinking of lusting in your heart verses adultery?
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Well, I think we would have to say that there are degrees of sin, yes. Just from the practical standpoint. I may entertain a thought of sin briefly; I may entertain that thought at length; I may allow that thought to become a deed; I may allow that deed to become a habit. So there would certainly be degrees of sin, and the Lord would say, the first time you have the thought deal with it then, and if you continue to have it, deal with it, and if you start to do the act, deal with it, and if its become a habit, deal with it. I mean at any point in the process the Lord would want us to halt it and not carry it to the next degree, to the next expression.
So, yes I believe there are degrees of sin. I believe sins of thought are an abomination to God, because any iniquity no matter how small abominates God. But, from the standpoint of practicality God will bless you if you cease from your sinning. God, I’m sure would be grateful if the thought of sin never became the act of sin, if it was dealt with at the point of the thought. Do you understand what I’m saying? You can’t just say, "Well, I thought the thought; I might as well do the deed! I did the deed I might as well make it a habit." I don’t think so. I don’t think so. So, God would be satisfied if you just stopped over here, and not convince yourself that because you thought the thought you’re as good as done the deed, and you might as well just let it run its course. No.
There’s another component to that, and I think it is perhaps worth mentioning. And that is in Hebrews 10, and here is a specific sin that certainly brings about a severer degree of punishment. Hebrews chapter 10, verse 29, “How much severer punishment, do you think he will deserve who has trampled under foot the Son of God, and has regarded as unclean the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified, and has insulted the Spirit of grace?” What’s he saying? Well, all those who aren’t saved go to hell. All those who do not come to God through Jesus Christ will go to hell. But, the hottest hell and the severest punishment is reserved for those who knew, the most fully, the gospel and trampled on it. If a person rejects God, never hears the gospel, doesn’t live up to the light they have, is indicted on the basis of Romans, chapter 1, they will suffer punishment. But it won’t be like the punishment of one who has come to understand the gospel, come to understand what Christ did, who he was, fully understand that and trample him under his feet. That person will suffer the greater punishment.
So I think there are degrees of sin from the practical standpoint, and there are definitely degrees of punishment, which would reflect back on the level of one’s sin. So I think the answer to that question is, yes. I think what God would want you to do in your life is to cease at whatever degree you have reached, and not let it go anymore beyond that. A wonderful truth is that God forgives that sin, and God wipes out and blots away the past and remembers it no more. So the sooner you cease, the sooner it’s forgotten
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from the same guy:
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Are there degrees of sin? We know that all sin is against God, and I know in my mind I think that there are degrees in my mind that one sin is worse than the other.
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Well, the only indication biblically we have that there are degrees of sin, is the statement that I can think of off the top of my head in Hebrews 10:26 and following, it says, “Of how much sorer punishment shall he be thought worthy as trodden under foot the Son of God on account of the blood of the covenant an unholy thing.” Of how much greater punishment shall he be thought worthy, indicates that there are degrees of punishment. If there are degrees of punishment, there must be degrees of sin. At least there is a difference between sins of deed and sins of faith toward God or toward Christ. Those are the severer sins. The sins of the apostate or the heretic are the severer ones. Now, when you are coming down to whether it is worse to steal, lie, or whatever, it is very difficult biblically to see any distinction in those.
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Makes sense to me. Shoplifting is not on par with murder. And as the writer says, there are varying degrees of punishment.
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Not to keep kicking a dead horse but, GOD, doesn't feel the same way as he ordered the murder of 3000 men for making an idol and worshiping him in a way he forbid.
(according to the alleged word of God in the bible.)
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Not to keep kicking a dead horse but, GOD, doesn't feel the same way as he ordered the murder of 3000 men for making an idol and worshiping him in a way he forbid.
(according to the alleged word of God in the bible.)
Yes! That is a dead horse you're kicking, bro. You and Loco when round and round on that, already.
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Not to keep kicking a dead horse but, GOD, doesn't feel the same way as he ordered the murder of 3000 men for making an idol and worshiping him in a way he forbid.
(according to the alleged word of God in the bible.)
Yes. Horse is dead. It wasn't murder. They broke the law and were punished.
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Yeah guys, you are right it is a dead horse, but it was just said if their is a difference in the severity of sins and their punishments.
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Yeah guys, you are right it is a dead horse, but you both just said if their is a difference in the severity of sins and their punishments.
There is. Not every sin committed results in the death penalty, although "the wages of sin is death," ultimately.
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My brother and I used to have a running joke. "In gods eyes all sin is bad so its the same thing to break a commantment with your body as in your heart (lust/adultry) so if I am going to sin sin big..." We used to joke about commiting murder in our hearts as we hated on another so we might as well kill them... ;D You had to be there to really laugh... ;D
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After going to a Catholic grade school for 9 years, Im still confused on what SIN really is?? The way i look at SIN is, theres 2 ways you can sin....One way of sinning, is to do an action, ACTION: is a movement of some kind, push, pull, hitting someone or whtever....soo say right now, im sitting in a chair, and I get up, thats a movement, is that a SIN?? or another way of sinning, lets say LUST, too me lust is a feeling, emotion, soo having feeelings and emotion is a sin???
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After going to a Catholic grade school for 9 years, Im still confused on what SIN really is?? The way i look at SIN is, theres 2 ways you can sin....One way of sinning, is to do an action, ACTION: is a movement of some kind, push, pull, hitting someone or whtever....soo say right now, im sitting in a chair, and I get up, thats a movement, is that a SIN?? or another way of sinning, lets say LUST, too me lust is a feeling, emotion, soo having feeelings and emotion is a sin???
IMO a sin is something you do that results in a victim. the rest of the stuff you find in the bible is cultural BS of the times.
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IMO a sin is something you do that results in a victim. the rest of the stuff you find in the bible is cultural BS of the times.
Isn't there always a victim? Sometimes the individual is the victim.
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Isn't there always a victim? Sometimes the individual is the victim.
Nope. Not if they do so by choice.
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Mortal sins and venial sins; the latter being less serious/petty things.
Having feelings are not necessarily sinful unless they result in an action. Examples: To have gay feelings is not bad but to act on them is. To have a feeling of attraction towards your friends wife is not bad but to have bad thoughts on purpose and the actions that goes along makes it a sin.
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Nope. Not if they do so by choice.
So as long as a person chooses to do something, it's not harmful to that person, regardless of what the act is? You don't really believe that Ozmo. . . . Do you?
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Having feelings are not necessarily sinful unless they result in an action. Examples: To have gay feelings is not bad but to act on them is. To have a feeling of attraction towards your friends wife is not bad but to have bad thoughts on purpose and the actions that goes along makes it a sin.
I agree with this.
Also, sin pretty much always starts with a thought process, which gradually results in action.
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So as long as a person chooses to do something, it's not harmful to that person, regardless of what the act is? You don't really believe that Ozmo. . . . Do you?
If a person wants to dress a certain way, live a certain type of lifestyle etc... yes. If a person wants to shoot themselves up with herion i believe it's a sin.
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If a person wants to dress a certain way, live a certain type of lifestyle etc... yes. If a person wants to shoot themselves up with herion i believe it's a sin.
What's the difference? Heroin makes a person feel good.
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What's the difference? Heroin makes a person feel good.
You know the difference ;)
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You know the difference ;)
I do? I don't think there is a difference.
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I do? I don't think there is a difference.
There isn't a difference between 2 consenting adults having safe sex and a person shooting up heroin?
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There isn't a difference between 2 consenting adults having safe sex and a person shooting up heroin?
Not if one or both of the consenting adults are married to other people.
And I believe there is no such thing as "safe sex," but that's another issue. :)
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Not if one or both of the consenting adults are married to other people.
And I believe there is no such thing as "safe sex," but that's another issue. :)
So is it dangerous when married couples have sex?
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So is it dangerous when married couples have sex?
Nah. I didn't say the sex act would be dangerous, just that sex between consenting adults, if one or both are married, harms the individuals involved and eventually others. There is likely guilt, fear of disclosure, possible divorce, children (if any) could suffer.
And depending on where you live, you might have to write a check :):
July 2, 2007
Be Careful What You Wish For
All Arthur Friedman wanted to do was liven things up in the bedroom. He and his wife, Natalie, had been married for ten years, and things were getting a bit, ahem, stale. Instead of the usual suspects — lingerie, porn, toys, weekend get-a-ways — Arthur had one tiny request: he wanted to watch his wife engaging in sexual acts with other men and women. (We imagine her response was something along the lines of, "oh honey, how romantic!")
In the name of love, Natalie obliged, and somewhere betwixt the twosomes and threesomes and foursomes (oh my!), a man named German Blinov was thrown into the mix. He and Natalie found that their interest in one another went further than the mere satisfaction of her husband's voyeuristic desires; they fell in love. Blinov divorced his wife, and Natalie ended things with Arthur, who then set out for a little retaliation.
Friedman sued Blinov using an archaic law, alienation of affections, arguing that Blinov was the direct cause for the alienation of Natalie's affection toward Arthur. This absurd law, dating back to 1864, is only currently recognized in 7 states (unfortunately for Blinov, Illinois is one of those). Usually these cases are thrown out because it is too difficult to prove that the defendant was the sole cause of the dissolution of the marriage. And because, in our opinion, the law itself is completely ridiculous.
In court, Natalie stated that her love for Friedman had started to cool before she met Blinov, and quickly dropped to subzero when Friedman asked her to start sleeping with other people. A valid argument, which is why it's so surprising that Friedman was somehow able to successfully prove that Blinov was indeed responsible for the alienation of affection. The judge, using bizarre calculations we hope we never have to make, ruled that Blinov owes Friedman $4,802. Who said you couldn't put a price on love?
It seems pointless to mention the obvious insanity wherein a man asked his wife to sleep with other people and was then shocked (shocked!) when she fell for someone else and he ultimately got what he deserved. But, surprisingly, that's not the most bewildering aspect of this twisted tale: the same jurors that decided in favor of Friedman also repeatedly referred to the case as "stupid" and called the alienation of affections statute "ridiculous." Don't worry, it makes our head hurt too.
http://chicagoist.com/2007/07/02/be_careful_what_1.php
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I remeber I asked the same thing to a devote Christian he said yes. I said that if I steal a million dollars, it would be absurd for me to get the same treatment for stealing a .01 cent spork
Now, that i am older, I see what he meant. Stealing is stealing, and stealing a million dollars versus a spork is the same, it is the act, not the value that men hold up.
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Is it just as much of a sin to commit murder as it is to have premarital sex?
Since there is mostly Christians on this board what does alleged "word of God" in the bible say on this?
I'm curious.
I agree with Stella about "Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit" and that there will be different degrees of punishment but ultimately sin is sin no getting around that! Any sin commited separates you from God whether you steal 1 million dollars or .01 the wage is eternal separation from God (Death).
Matthew 18:5-7
Verse 5
"And whoever welcomes a little child like this in my name welcomes me.
Verse 6
But if anyone causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him to have a large millstone hung around his neck and to be drowned in the depths of the sea.
Verse 7
"Woe to the world because of the things that cause people to sin! Such things must come, but woe to the man through whom they come!
P.S. Even if sex between to adults is consensual, if they are not married its sin (Fornication/Adultery)! Sex is for married couples only!
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When you eliminate the act of competing with your fellow man/or any living thing from your life. You will run on the same frequency of the creator of all things...Most other people will be bowing down to "Gods"...But these Gods for sure won't be the creator of all things...