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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Bluto on June 29, 2007, 12:05:02 PM
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i'd say kiwiol definitely is juiced to the grills, considering the shit he is posting
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Rooster
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It's not difficult to talk shit and sound like a complete twat on Getbig.
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It was bound to happen Benoit:Tee Shirt
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It was bound to happen Benoit:Tee Shirt
Thats terrible
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Shit - Benoit's got a massive forehead - I can't believe I didn't notice it before. Some serious GH abuse there.
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Thats terrible
Crazy isn't it. He was destined to do it
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One ugly MO-FO
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I suspect all those who meltdown in epic proportions here on gb to have used/are using steroids.
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i'd say kiwiol definitely is juiced to the grills, considering the shit he is posting
Hahahahaha OK 'Bluto' ::) oh brother, I bet you're the kind of 'guy' who tells passing musclebear motorists that you'll give them free blow jobs every hour if they give you a lift, but don't tell them you travel cross-country 365 days a year to get your protein straight off the tap. Hahahahaha gayer than Win Vista
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DW?
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Kiwi, you are just insisting on taking the term "musclebear" and making it derogatory aren't you,? Its almost a mission if you ask me.
Haven't your people done enough to us for 2000 years?, now you have to try to diminish and degrade our more recent cultural creative verbiage. Whats up with that?
Is there a term for short bald headed Indians that you are fond of, I will be sure to turn it derogatory. ;D
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Kiwi, you are just insisting on taking the term "musclebear" and making it derogatory aren't you,? Its almost a mission if you ask me.
Haven't your people done enough to us for 2000 years?, now you have to try to diminish and degrade our more recent cultural creative verbiage. Whats up with that?
Is there a term for short bald headed Indians that you are fond of, I will be sure to turn it derogatory. ;D
Calm down tiger. Stop being so over-protective of bears ;D
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Haven't your people done enough to us for 2000 years?
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Hes talking about the people of Atlantis.
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that was in reference to straight people in general....well maybe not 2000, maybe 1,990 years, I suppose there were times when you guys were too preoccupied by locusts, famines and natural disasters to bother with us.
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that was in reference to straight people in general....well maybe not 2000, maybe 1,990 years, I suppose there were times when you guys were too preoccupied by locusts, famines and natural disasters to bother with us.
I always laugh at people who are anti-gay or find it a perversion when it is normal and as natural as anything can be. It really highlights the poor level of thinking, lack of intelligence and the sad, social development or lack thereof that plagues these rotten people.
A lot of the time they put on gay hating front to detract from their own personal sexual preference. Usually the most adamant are the most ashamed of themselves. They should embrace their secret.
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that was in reference to straight people in general....well maybe not 2000, maybe 1,990 years, I suppose there were times when you guys were too preoccupied by locusts, famines and natural disasters to bother with us.
Mate, calling someone 'gay' and laughing at it is the most retarded thing someone can do, which is why I do it - I don't exactly post in Getbig with the aim of being myself - it's just a sarcastic character
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Mate, calling someone 'gay' and laughing at it is the most retarded thing someone can do, which is why I do it - I don't exactly post in Getbig with the aim of being myself - it's just a sarcastic character
So you are ready to embrace your homosexuality?
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You know, a couple centuries ago, only the most bad ass people of society were homosexuals. Used to be pretty damn hardcore, then people went and gayed it up.
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So you are ready to embrace your homosexuality?
Sorry dude, but I'm 100% straight.
I'm sure you'll find plenty of guys willing to push your tonsils in if you shop around. Good luck ;D
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Sorry dude, but I'm 100% straight.
I'm sure you'll find plenty of guys willing to push your tonsils in if you shop around. Good luck ;D
you are so obviously homosexual kiwiol
that it seeps from your every post
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You know, a couple centuries ago, only the most bad ass people of society were homosexuals. Used to be pretty damn hardcore, then people went and gayed it up.
I`d say religion ruined it. Blame Constantine for using Christianity as a unifying tool. Once the wedge of Judeo-Christian doctrine was hammered in society and driven in ever so deep over decades, the hard wood of a secular and intelligent society split and fell so to speak which in turn ushered in mindless bigotry and rabid persecution of a once enlightened civilization.
Suprisingly Centuries later we still are cleaning up this mess with very slow progress. The god of Abraham and all of its branches has been worse for civilization and the planet than any plague, war or famine in human history.
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Sorry dude, but I'm 100% straight.
I'm sure you'll find plenty of guys willing to push your tonsils in if you shop around. Good luck ;D
Why do you clairfy your sexual preference in percentages? How does one do that? AT what point were you 85 percent gay? Were you 35 percent gay last year?
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I`d say religion ruined it. Blame Constantine for using Christianity as a unifying tool. Once the wedge of Judeo-Christian doctrine was hammered in society and driven in ever so deep over decades, the hard wood of a secular and intelligent society split and fell so to speak which in turn ushered in mindless bigotry and rabid persecution of a once enlightened civilization.
Suprisingly Centuries later we still are cleaning up this mess with very slow progress. The god of Abraham and all of its branches has been worse for civilization and the planet than any plague, war or famine in human history.
Well, I wouldn't exactly agree with that. Doubtless religion has played a part, but homophobia has a tendency to strike people much deeper than religion. Most people who hate gays won't even say it's because of their religion, usually they won't even make a good argument for why they hate them. We have plenty of gay bashing next to religion bashing on this board alone. People just enjoy hating anything that's different from themselves.
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you are so obviously homosexual kiwiol
There's a difference between your wishful thinking and reality, bigmcock ;D
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There's a difference between your wishful thinking and reality, bigmcock ;D
why would i wish you to be gay ???
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why would i wish you to be gay ???
I don't know - you are lonely, miserable and looking for a partner? ;D
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I`d say religion ruined it. Blame Constantine for using Christianity as a unifying tool. Once the wedge of Judeo-Christian doctrine was hammered in society and driven in ever so deep over decades, the hard wood of a secular and intelligent society split and fell so to speak which in turn ushered in mindless bigotry and rabid persecution of a once enlightened civilization.
Suprisingly Centuries later we still are cleaning up this mess with very slow progress. The god of Abraham and all of its branches has been worse for civilization and the planet than any plague, war or famine in human history.
What do you mean?
How did religion ruin homosexuality?
-Hedge
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What do you mean?
How did religion ruin homosexuality?
-Hedge
Homosexuality is condemned in all followings of Abraham and the Judeo-Christian teachings.
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What do you mean?
How did religion ruin homosexuality?
-Hedge
[edit] Views of specific religious groups
[edit] Abrahamic religions
Abrahamic religions such as Judaism, Islam, and Christianity, traditionally forbid sexual relations between men and teach that such behaviour is sinful. Religious authorities point to passages in the Hebrew Bible (Leviticus 18:22, 20:13), the New Testament (Romans 1:26-27, I Timothy 1:9-10, 1 Corinthians 6:9-11) and the Qur'an (7:80-81, 26:165), for scriptural justification of these beliefs. The first recorded law against homosexuality is found in the holiness code of Leviticus. Among many other acts, sexual intercourse between men is a capital offense.
Today some major denominations within these religions, such as Reform Judaism and the United Church of Christ, have accepted homosexuality, arguing that it was originally intended as a means of distinguishing religious worship between Abrahamic and pagan faiths, specifically Greek (Ganymede) and Egyptian (see Torah or Old Testament) rituals that made homosexuality a religious practice and not merely human sexuality, and is thus no longer relevant. Christian denominations such as Unitarian Universalism and some Presbyterian and Anglican churches now welcome members regardless of sexual orientation, and perform same-sex marriages, as do Reform and Reconstructionist Judaism.
[edit] Judaism
Main article: Homosexuality and Judaism
“ ...If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.... ”
—Leviticus 20:12-14, NIV
The Torah (first five books of the Hebrew Bible) is the primary source for Jewish views on homosexuality. It states that: "[A man] shall not lie with another man as [he would] with a woman, it is a toeva ("abomination")" (Leviticus 18:22). Like many similar commandments, the stated punishment for willful violation is the death penalty, although in practice rabbinic Judaism rid itself of the death penalty for all practical purposes 2,000 years ago.
Rabbinic Jewish tradition understands this verse to specifically prohibit a man from having anal sex with another man. However, rabbinic Judaism also creates "fences" around the commandments of the Torah (see Halakha.) As such, rabbinic prohibitions were made against all forms of homosexual contact between men. Rabbinic works ban lesbian acts of sex as well. What people today describe as a biological or psychological homosexual inclination is not discussed among classical rabbis. The sources only discuss specific acts.
Orthodox Judaism views all homosexual sex as sinful. Many Orthodox Jews view homosexuality as a choice; some sources claim it to be a deliberate deviance. A trend of studying the issue of homosexuality has recently begun to occur, with a view towards understanding and reaching out to religious homosexual Jews, but no Orthodox rabbinical body has advised changing Jewish law. Orthodox groups hold that any change in law on this issue is absolutely impossible.
Conservative Judaism, like Orthodoxy, views Jewish law as normative, but has a historical, more flexible understanding of how it should be interpreted. As such, it has engaged in an in-depth study of this issue since 1990, with various rabbis presenting a wide array of responsa (papers with legal arguments) for communal consideration. The official position of the movement since 1990 has been to welcome homosexual Jews into their synagogues, and also campaign against any discrimination in civil law and public society, but also to uphold a ban on homosexual sex as a religious requirement. However, a recent split decision of the movement's Committee on Jewish Law and Standards, in January 2007, has significantly reinterpreted the issue, and now allows homosexual men and women to become rabbis or cantors. Some form of commitment ceremony is now also viewed as legitimate. Conservative rabbis who voted on this change used the issue of Kavod HaBriyot, honoring a person's dignity, as honor for someone's rights may override rabbinic restrictions. See Conservative Halakha for a full discussion.
Progressive forms of Judaism, including Reform Judaism and Reconstructionist Judaism in North America and Liberal Judaism in the United Kingdom, view homosexual practices to be acceptable on the same basis as heterosexual practices. Progressive Jewish authorities believe either that traditional laws against homosexuality are no longer binding or that they are subject to changes that reflect a new understanding of human sexuality. Some of these authorities rely on modern biblical scholarship suggesting that the prohibition in the Torah was intended to ban coercive or ritualized homosexual sex, such as those practices ascribed to Egyptian and Canaanite fertility cults and temple prostitution.
[edit] Christianity
Main articles: Homosexuality and Christianity, List of Christian denominational positions on homosexuality, and The Bible and homosexuality
“ ...God gave them up unto vile passions: for their women changed the natural use into that which is against nature: and likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another... ”
—Romans 1:26-27, ASV
Throughout all of Christian history, the Catholic Church and, later, Protestant authorities have been explicitly condemnatory of same-sex sexual relations, namely, "man lying with man as one lies with a woman" and men "burning with lust toward one another." Where the Catholic view is founded on a natural law argument informed by scripture, the Protestant view is based more directly upon scripture. Nevertheless, there is a broad consensus among Christian organizations that the Bible, as in Leviticus, denounces same-sex sexual relations between men as sinful and, in the eyes of God, an "abomination". In Acts 15, the Council of Jerusalem commanded Gentile convert to eschew “sexual immorality.” In the Epistle to the Romans, Saint Paul describes “men, leaving the natural use of the woman, [burning] in their lust one toward another” as a consequence or punishment for the sin of idolatry. In several of his other epistles, Paul echoes the command in Acts, that Christians are to "avoid sexual immorality." It is clear that “men burning with lust toward one another” and acting on that lust is, along with other offenses, considered to be “sexually immoral.”
Along with passages in the Bible, we see denunciations of same-sex sexuality in the earliest writings, such as in the Didache and in the writings of Justin Martyr, Clement of Alexandria, Tertullian, St. Cyprian, Eusebius, St. Basil the Great, St. John Chrysostom, St. Augustine of Hippo, and in doctrinal sources such as the Apostolic Constitutions — for example, Eusebius of Caesarea's statement which condemns "the union of women with women and men with men.” While same-sex sexual behavior is rejected to the present day by most Christian denominations, contemporary guides to pastoral care reflect an ethos informed by compassion and respect of the sanctity of other. [1][citation needed]
In the 20th and 21st century, a few historians and theologians have challenged the traditional understanding and argue that passages have been mistranslated or that they do not refer to what we understand as “homosexuality.” [2]
The Roman Catholic Church requires homosexuals to practice chastity in the understanding that homosexual acts are "intrinsically disordered" and "contrary to the natural law." It insists that the only appropriate expression of sexuality is within the context of marriage, which by definition is permanent, procreative, heterosexual, and monogamous. The Church describes homosexual tendencies as "a trial" and stresses that people with such tendencies "must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity."[3] In reference to the possible ordination of homosexuals to the religious life, distinguishing between "deep-seated homosexual tendencies" and those that are "only the expression of a transitory problem", the Vatican requires that any homosexual tendencies "must be clearly overcome at least three years before ordination to the diaconate."[4] Many prominent Christians have been critical of homosexuality throughout the religion's history. Thomas Aquinas denounced sodomy as second only to bestiality as the worst of all sexual sins, and Hildegard of Bingen's book "Scivias", which was officially approved by Pope Eugene III, condemned sexual relations between women as "perverted forms."
Some Christians do not condemn homosexual acts as bad or evil. Many liberal Christians are open and affirming to active homosexuals. Indeed, there is even an entire denomination, the Metropolitan Community Church, devoted to being open and affirming to active homosexuals.
[edit] Islam
Main articles: Homosexuality and Islam and Pederasty in the Middle East
“ What! Of all creatures do ye come unto the males, and leave the wives your Lord created for you? Nay, but ye are froward folk. ”
—Quran , 26th sura, trans. Pickthal
All major Islamic sects disapprove of homosexuality,[5] and same-sex intercourse is an offence punishable by execution in six Muslim nations: Saudi Arabia, Iran, Mauritania, Sudan, Somalia and Yemen.[6] It also carried the death penalty in Afghanistan under the Taliban. In other Muslim nations, such as Bahrain, Qatar, Algeria, Pakistan the Maldives, and Malaysia, homosexuality is punished with prison, fines, or corporal punishment.
Islamic teachings (in the hadith tradition) presume same-sex attraction, extol abstention and (in the Qur'an) condemn consummation. In concordance with those creeds, in Islamic countries, male desire for attractive male youths is widely expected and condoned as a human characteristic. However, it is thought that restraint from either acting on, or revealing, this desire is rewarded with an afterlife in paradise, where one is attended by perpetually young virgin lovers, women and men, houri and ghilman. (Al-Waqia 56.37, Qur'an) Homosexual intercourse itself has been interpreted to be a form of lust and a violation of the Qur'an. Thus, while homosexuality as an attraction is not against the Sharia (Islamic law, which governs the physical actions, rather than the inner thoughts and feelings), the physical action of same-sex intercourse is punishable under the Sharia.
Same-sex relations between adult males are segregated in a manner analogous to the segregation between the sexes. Thus, the passive role is generally taken on by an underclass of males, often transvestite or transgender who routinely would be entertainers by profession and who would be both despised for their submissive sexual role and admired for their skills. In earlier years these would have had their start through the traditional bacchá or köçek roles. The active role is played by men who do not self-identify as homosexual, who typically conform to societal expectation to marry and have children and view their homosexual adventures as further confirmation of their masculinity. While this construction reflects the way Muslim men generally represent the culture to themselves, actual practices may vary a great deal.
The discourse on homosexuality in Islam is primarily concerned with activities between men. Relations between women, if they are regarded as problems, are treated akin to adultery, and al-Tabari records an execution of a harem couple under Caliph al-Hadi.
Islam tolerates same-sex desires by viewing them as a temptation; sexual relations, however, are seen as a transgression of the natural role and aim of sexual activity.[7]
Youth seeking his father's advice on choosing a lover
From the Haft Awrang of Jami, in the story A Father Advises his Son About Love; See Homosexuality and Islam; The Smithsonian, Washington, DC.Historically, and with exceptions, punishment for male same-sex relations has been less severe compared to its Abrahamic counterparts: Judaism and Christianity. The Qur'an states that if a person commits the sin they can repent and save their life. Many Islamic cultures, early ones such as the Babylonians, Egyptians, and Canaanites, where homosexuality was well documented to be entrenched in many aspects of their culture by exposure to Hellenistic culture, as well as later cultures such as the Abbasid caliphate and Safavid Persia, were renowned for cultivating a sophisticated homosexual aesthetic reflected in art and literature. They reconciled their love life with their religion using a hadith, from a collection of quotations ascribed to Muhammad: "He who loves and remains chaste and conceals his secret and dies, dies a martyr". However, later hadiths are harsher: "When a man mounts another man, the throne of God shakes... Kill the one that is doing it and also kill the one that it is being done to." Both ancient and modern fundamentalists have interpreted these injunctions literally, with resulting loss of life.
The result is a religion that allows love between those of the same gender as long as they do not have sexual intercourse. Ibn Hazm, Ibn Daud, Al-Mutamid, Abu Nuwas and many others used this edict to write extensively and openly of love between men while proclaiming to be chaste. Furthermore, in order for the transgression to be proven, at least four men or eight women must bear witness against the accused, thus making it very difficult to persecute those who do not remain celibate in the privacy of their homes.
The teachings of Islam have themselves been used to justify love and sexual expression between males. As for bearing witness, it takes emotional considerations into the subject. See Qur'an, iv. 38; Qur'an, ii. 282; Qur'an, iv. 175), and thus, by a process of induction, they must be worthier objects of desire as well. Debate Between the Wise Woman and the Sage
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Hey faggotass,
I challenge you to a code duello
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Mate, calling someone 'gay' and laughing at it is the most retarded thing someone can do, which is why I do it - I don't exactly post in Getbig with the aim of being myself - it's just a sarcastic character
I understand that, I just dont think you realize you have been trying to take a positive term, that is part of gay culture, a term that goes against the facist thinking of the fashion industry, one that embraces all types of physical looks, and your trying to make it a derogatory term. something to be ashamed of. It is a method used by more majority instituions to marginize smaller less powerful communities. It isn't just about making jokes thats all Im saying.
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I`d say religion ruined it. Blame Constantine for using Christianity as a unifying tool. Once the wedge of Judeo-Christian doctrine was hammered in society and driven in ever so deep over decades, the hard wood of a secular and intelligent society split and fell so to speak which in turn ushered in mindless bigotry and rabid persecution of a once enlightened civilization.
Suprisingly Centuries later we still are cleaning up this mess with very slow progress. The god of Abraham and all of its branches has been worse for civilization and the planet than any plague, war or famine in human history.
Don't forget the Fucking English who made it worse with their eating off of lead utensils hahahahah =)
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Homosexuality is condemned in all followings of Abraham and the Judeo-Christian teachings.
You've proclaimed being fascinated by Nazi Germany, specifically the works of Mengele, despite that he performed horrendous pseudo-experiments.
But your people, the Jews, weren't the only group targeted and harassed by the Nazi's.
Homosexuals were harassed by the Nazis, and more importantly, are targeted by neo-Nazi's today.
What's your take on homosexuality and Nazi Germany?
-Hedge
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You've proclaimed being fascinated by Nazi Germany, specifically the works of Mengele, despite that he performed horrendous pseudo-experiments.
But your people, the Jews, weren't the only group targeted and harassed by the Nazi's.
Homosexuals were harassed by the Nazis, and more importantly, are targeted by neo-Nazi's today.
What's your take on homosexuality and Nazi Germany?
-Hedge
The Nazi`s were not nice people and should not serve as an example for humanity to follow. With that said, homosexuality was tolerated in Germany more than you think it wasn`t.
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The Nazi`s were not nice people and should not serve as an example for humanity to follow. With that said, homosexuality was tolerated in Germany more than you think it wasn`t.
Of course this being before World War II.
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The Nazi`s were not nice people and should not serve as an example for humanity to follow. With that said, homosexuality was tolerated in Germany more than you think it wasn`t.
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I understand that, I just dont think you realize you have been trying to take a positive term, that is part of gay culture, a term that goes against the facist thinking of the fashion industry, one that embraces all types of physical looks, and your trying to make it a derogatory term. something to be ashamed of. It is a method used by more majority instituions to marginize smaller less powerful communities. It isn't just about making jokes thats all Im saying.
This is Getbig, not Gayham dude. Don't post here if you find it too much to handle.
Everyone's trashed here equally - bodybuilders are insulted cruelly, as are other groups, based on their race, orientation etc
Besides, I'm just making a retarded joke. Try not to read into it too much - I don't even know what a f*cking musclebear is, let alone wanting to insult one ;D
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This is Getbig, not Gayham dude. Don't post here if you find it too much to handle.
Everyone's trashed here equally - bodybuilders are insulted cruelly, as are other groups, based on their race, orientation etc
Besides, I'm just making a retarded joke. Try not to read into it too much - I don't even know what a f*cking musclebear is, let alone wanting to insult one ;D
racism is not allowed, remember Kiwi?
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racism is not allowed, remember Kiwi?
If someone says that to my face, I'd stomp their jaw on the kerb >:(
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If someone says that to my face, I'd stomp their jaw on the kerb >:(
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Hate, it's what drives me ;)
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Hate, it's what drives me ;)
gives me goosebumps, the way you type that ;)
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you are so obviously homosexual kiwiol
that it seeps from your every post
You only say that cos you want him ;D
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I`d say religion ruined it. Blame Constantine for using Christianity as a unifying tool. Once the wedge of Judeo-Christian doctrine was hammered in society and driven in ever so deep over decades, the hard wood of a secular and intelligent society split and fell so to speak which in turn ushered in mindless bigotry and rabid persecution of a once enlightened civilization.
Suprisingly Centuries later we still are cleaning up this mess with very slow progress. The god of Abraham and all of its branches has been worse for civilization and the planet than any plague, war or famine in human history.
eh, christianity was destined to fulfill that role from its inception. it's not like judaism was such a peaceful little religion with its constant reaffirmations that when god likes you he'll help you vanquish all enemies with war and such. sadly, from a strictly anthropological standpoint, religion inherently helps those who fight for its cause. while a secular society will back off and constantly be re-thinking, the suicidal religious nuts who think god is on their side and that if they die they'll be rewarded will fight until each and every one of them is dead.
people call religion a plague as though it was imposed upon an otherwise rational and peaceful population, when it's really the manifestation of humanity's worst traits. that's why it's such a slow battle, because you have to eradicate the causes, not just the doctrine.
...what's this thread about again?
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isn't there a religion board for you guys?
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Back to the topic of this thread...I would guess that GH15 probably juices
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i'd be willing to bet there are a lot more here than would admit to it. probably quite a few who juice but don't look like they do, so they're angry at those who got better results from it.
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i'd be willing to bet there are a lot more here than would admit to it. probably quite a few who juice but don't look like they do, so they're angry at those who got better results from it.
this is one of the reasons why i believe GH15 when he talks about the crazy doses the pros use, why would anyone lie about taking MORE than they do, if anything you would want to lie and say that you take LESS than you do to make your genetics seem better.
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this is one of the reasons why i believe GH15 when he talks about the crazy doses the pros use, why would anyone lie about taking MORE than they do, if anything you would want to lie and say that you take LESS than you do to make your genetics seem better.
agreed. not to mention you can't imagine many pros showing restraint with the gear. you're aiming to win, i doubt there are any guys on the first tier who are holding back because they'd rather get 4th place using "only" 5g/week when they could win if they'd up it to 6.
i'll bet anything in the next 10 years or so we'll see the side effects from it all.
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agreed. not to mention you can't imagine many pros showing restraint with the gear. you're aiming to win, i doubt there are any guys on the first tier who are holding back because they'd rather get 4th place using "only" 5g/week when they could win if they'd up it to 6.
i'll bet anything in the next 10 years or so we'll see the side effects from it all.
Doubtful many of them will make it to ten years. :-\
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one has to wonder ?
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i'd say kiwiol definitely is juiced to the grills, considering the shit he is posting
Gas doesn't make you crazy, Bluto.
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one has to wonder ?
Hahahaha I wasn't crazy back then and not due to drugs, which I've never taken - I was actually insane.
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I`d say religion ruined it.
Then renounce your religion and let that screaming Queen outta there!!
ta ta!
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You know, a couple centuries ago, only the most bad ass people of society were homosexuals. Used to be pretty damn hardcore, then people went and gayed it up.
The Spartans were homosexuals.....they each had a 'lover' who they fought side-by-side with. Their wives were just for making healthy babies.
Same applies to the ancient Greeks to a lesser extent, since relationships between an older male and a younger one were encouraged.
And since the Romans idolized the Greeks, they had no problems with it either, that is of course before they became Christian.....