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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: pobrecito on June 30, 2007, 10:24:10 AM
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No gym shots, no black and white, no screencaps, just stage pictures to compare them at their bests. Jay still has time to improve.
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ronnie dorian jay in that order
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funny how thats not even close to the best coleman mm, and you cant see him destroying dorian in the quad, ham,glute department along with jay. jay is also crushes dorian on the lower have overall.
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I still can't believe Cutler is Mr. Olympia.
Just a mess of a physique.
What a huge step backwards.
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His abs look disgusting.
His waist looks to be 40 inches.
His lower back has wrinkles.
His right bicep is smaller than his left.
His right leg is smaller than his left.
He has absolutely no detail or separation in his arms, delts, chest.
His color is too dark.
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Dorian's facial expressions are closer to a normal humans. It may have given him an edge. I'm seein' some Dexter Deraignment creeping into some of his competitors.
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some of the best shots ever taken of dorian, but not exactly a good reprentation of ronnie, with the exception of the 98 back shot.
why am I not surprised? ::)
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some of the best shots of dorian, some of the worst of Ronnie, with the exception of the 98 back shot.
try comparing dorian with good shots of Ronnie, and guess what? he gets 3 or 4 votes at most, and ronnie gets over 60...its happening all over the net right now LOL
Hulkster, you are such a goddam ####. I used some of, if not the best pictures of Ronnie I could find that fit the comparisons with Cutler and Yates. Make your own fucking comparison if you think this one is so horribly skewed ::)
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Note to bodybuilders:
"Control of face - helps win the race"
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Ronnie
Dorian
Jay cutler ( i like jay but he is nowhere near their caliber)
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dexter looks sick there. :o
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Hulkster, you are such a goddam ####. I used some of, if not the best pictures of Ronnie I could find that fit the comparisons with Cutler and Yates. Make your own fucking comparison if you think this one is so horribly skewed ::)
Iceman made some great comparsions..and dorian got 4 votes while Ronnie got over 60 and counting...
and all you guys could do was say that it 'wasn't an intelligent board.." ::)
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funny how thats not even close to the best coleman mm, and you cant see him destroying dorian in the quad, ham,glute department along with jay. jay is also crushes dorian on the lower have overall.
exactly.
but Pubes will flame you if you point his bias towards yates out... ::)
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but it is a well done layout, its just that it tends to favor a certain Englishman lol
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Iceman made some great comparsions..and dorian got 4 votes while Ronnie got over 60 and counting...
and all you guys could do was say that it 'wasn't an intelligent board.." ::)
What is wrong with the pictures I used?
The front relaxed is from the 01AC. I also attempted to use the front relaxed from the 99O, but the 01AC picture was of superior quality. The front double biceps of Ronnie is the same as the one you posted, except not in black and white. The front lat is also from 99. I have not seem a better front lat picture of Ronnie. The back biceps is from 98 and is Ronnie's greatest rear shot ever. The rear lat isn't the best picture, but I couldn't find any better. I found a 98 rear lat but it was small and the angle was off. The quality of the 01ASC rear lat picture was poor. The side tri shot of Ronnie is the absolute best I've ever seen of him. The ab/thigh is from 01 and is as good as it gets for Ronnie in that pose. The MM is 98, I could have used the 99 one but it was in black and white. Regardless, he looks just about the same in each.
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well, for starters the lighting on the Ronnie 99 shots is famously harsh - makes ronnie look white in the front double bi for instance.
second, as others have pointed out, the shots omit one of dorian's greatest flaws - his quads.
third, the most muscular shot is not a great shot at all - and that is dorian's best shot of him because it is not taken head on, thus making his smallish arms look bigger.
look to the truce thread for some better shots of Ronnie vs. these great shots of Yates.
and its obvious what happens. Ronnie wins easily. Just ask the rest of the net LOL.
For the record, Dorian DOES beat Jay though, but not ronnie.
ps good job in using the best dorian and ronnie rear double bi varations. They both look really good there...Jay gets killed..
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Pubes, I give you credit for your selection of pics. Although some could be better, at least you didn't use any unflattering shots. My only criticism - pick a year for Ronnie and stick with it. You used pics from 98, 99, 01, and 03. I'd be more than glad to post the best shots of Ronnie that I have if you want to remake it.
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but it is a well done layout, its just that it tends to favor a certain Englishman lol
Three consecutive posts meltdown.
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Pubes, I give you credit for your selection of pics. Although some could be better, at least you didn't use any unflattering shots. My only criticism - pick a year for Ronnie and stick with it. You used pics from 98, 99, 01, and 03.
agreed.
the ideal layout would be Jay 06 vs. Dorian 93 vs. Ronnie 99.
some potential colour ronnie 99 shots for use:
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agreed.
the ideal layout would be Jay 06 vs. Dorian 93 vs. Ronnie 99.
some potential colour ronnie 99 shots for use:
I WOULD...except there are not great shots of each for that specific olympia. For example, back double biceps of Dorian in 1993 or side triceps of Ronnie in 99.
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a few more:
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i really hope this thread doesnt go on for 1500+ pages
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that's the best jay and he's not in the same league.
lacks density, taper and seperation and compared to yates he is downright smooth. his delts and arms are way behind.
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LOL I don't think it will go 1500 pages
Jay is outclassed by both of these guys..and I am not even a big fan of dorian's physique! 8)
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Personally, I don't understand how Jay's ab/thigh looks so BAD....it's worse than Ronnie's for christs sake :-X
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agreed.
ronnie has famously shitty abs but some of the greatest quads ever:
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ronnie kills both in quad development, no question.
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yes, and in the layout you cannot see his quads in even one shot...thats tends to favor the other two...
not being critical, just pointing out relevant facts..
it is a well done layout..
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It is about time someone posted up comparison pics of Jay/Ronnie/Dorian....Someone would have to be completely blind to not see that Jay lucked out by being in the right time at the right place in history,
the only part of Jay's physique that is on Olympia level are his legs...Jay is completely outclassed and you can see how wide his waistline really is in those comparison pics to Ronnie and Dorian
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Ronnie= black guy genetics that neither jay or dorian have. Muscles have unique quality and size is unreal. 100% freak of nature
Dorian= Made the absolute best out of what he had. HARD HARD look. More strength mentally than anything.
Jay= Genetics arent there. Too much seo and other drugs to get where he is. Geneticly lacks quality to his muscles. Smooth look, and very little vascularity for his size. Training style is great for longevity and thats why he has no serious injuries others do.JMO
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use pics of jay from 01 and it may be a different story
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Ronnie wins in every shot except overhead abs and side triceps. The nod goes to Yates there.
1. Ronnie
2. Yates
3. Cutler
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use pics of jay from 01 and it may be a different story
Soo you are saying that Jay's 2001 condition is better than both of Dorian or Ronnie's best ever conditioning through history??? Yeah right.... ::)
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Ronnie wins in every shot except overhead abs and side triceps. The nod goes to Yates there.
1. Ronnie
2. Yates
3. Cutler
Well, I used to think that, but after further review I think Yates back and lats are simply too dominant. Just look at the width and thickness of Yates' lats in the front lat spread. Ronnie does easily have the best most-muscular of all-time and it's quite persuasive, but it's only 1 pose. Well, Hulkster says that the MM is indicative of how your "show" muscles will look in the other poses. This is simply not true though. For example, Ronnie's chest is outstanding in the most-muscular, but very average in the front double biceps.
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Ronnie 99 vs Jay 06 vs Dorian 93 side chest shoot out:
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How the hell did Jay win the Mr. Olympia? :-[
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Ronnie 99 vs Jay 06 vs Dorian 93 Most Muscular shoot out:
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most muscular variation, again, ronnie 99 vs dorian 93 vs Jay 06:
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Jay REALLY needs to lighten up on the tanning products. He's starting to blend into the background!
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he's trying to be like Ronnie..
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he's trying to be like Ronnie..
HAHA no kidding. I think Jay's a smart guy...I guess he assumes you have to be black to win the O these days.
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This is one of the best, if not the best, shot of Cutler I have ever seen, he is romping Coleman here:
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=50084.0;id=51597;image)
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This is one of the best, if not the best, shot of Cutler I have ever seen, he is romping Coleman here:
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=50084.0;id=51597;image)
Only from that angle, when you look at it like the judges and audience were, coleman is making him look like a small, small child.
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True, Cutler's midsection does look very good there, much better than 06 :(
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ronnie's arms are just destroying cutlers there.
unreal arms
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conclusions:
ronnie owns the mm, side chest, rear double bi, quads, arms, glutes and jay
yates owns rear lat spread, front lat spread, any ab shots, side tri, calves, abs back and jay
jay's out
ronnie vs yates
yates has granite hardness, density, abs, rear delts, forearms, calves and entire back (incl traps and erectors) over ronnie.
ronnie has separation, lines, taper, all the previously mentioned bodyparts and much freakier proportions overall.