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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Parker on July 02, 2007, 10:28:48 AM
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I was thinking how, Charles Glass trained Flex Wheeler and Chris Cormier, but also trains stars and a starlets and others with money. So does Lee Haney, Now Chris Cormier is training Britney Spears. Why don't others like Flex, instead of maybe doing a comeback, use his competitive bodybuilding resume and train Hollywood stars, or work for a Pro football athletic program or a high profile college athletic program. Hell, he knows more than most trainers, plus he can back up his talk.
Think about it, a 4x Arnold Classic winner, a top 10 Olympia finisher, and multiple contest winner, sounds better on one's resume, than some dude who, yes has their degree, but barely has ever had 16 inch arms, let alone ever looked like Flex did.
Flex could move the Las Vegas, Atlanta, or Miami, set up shop if he wanted to and possibly make a killing.
The same could go true for Shawn Ray, I remember reading that he would get invited to the watch the Green Bay practices, I think he could step it up further and be a trainer.
Why don't dudes like this use, their knowledge to further their lives after they have retired (Especially Flex) instead, of thinking about killing themselves.
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IMO, a lot of trainers (the Coach comes to mind) know a lot more about training than a lot of top BBers do.
They have great genes, they take good stuff, they pig out on good and bad foods.
If you applied their training and nutrition to a natural guy with average genes, you'd have an overtrained guy with a gut.
That being said, a lot of them SHOULD translate their stage success into livings teaching bodybuilders to peak/prep, posing, presentation, etc.
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Lou Ferrigno trained Michael Jackson. If he could do that, others could and should do better than him.
BB's Want to be stars. The center of attention. Alot can't bow down to a more normal life.
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I was thinking how, Charles Glass trained Flex Wheeler and Chris Cormier, but also trains stars and a starlets and others with money. So does Lee Haney, Now Chris Cormier is training Britney Spears. Why don't others like Flex, instead of maybe doing a comeback, use his competitive bodybuilding resume and train Hollywood stars, or work for a Pro football athletic program or a high profile college athletic program. Hell, he knows more than most trainers, plus he can back up his talk.
Think about it, a 4x Arnold Classic winner, a top 10 Olympia finisher, and multiple contest winner, sounds better on one's resume, than some dude who, yes has their degree, but barely has ever had 16 inch arms, let alone ever looked like Flex did.
Flex could move the Las Vegas, Atlanta, or Miami, set up shop if he wanted to and possibly make a killing.
The same could go true for Shawn Ray, I remember reading that he would get invited to the watch the Green Bay practices, I think he could step it up further and be a trainer.
Why don't dudes like this use, their knowledge to further their lives after they have retired (Especially Flex) instead, of thinking about killing themselves.
epic reverse racism for not mentioning any white bodybuilders.
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This kinda reminds me of when Titus trained Vince Neill and proves my point at the same time, Titus was training Neil the same ol same bodybuilding way and through out a few things in his cupboard, no thought put into his program.
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FLex Wheeler couldn't teach a dog to take a shit outside.
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"Flex" couldn't be a personal trainer, he'd have to lug around that big, bulky dialysis machine to his "clients" houses.
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Maybe he could train toddlers how to peddle the big wheel up to 170 ;D
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Squadfather?
If you applied their training and nutrition to a natural guy with average genes, you'd have an overtrained guy with a gut.
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epic reverse racism for not mentioning any white bodybuilders.
When you find a white bodybuilder that has won eight Olympias or four Arnold Classic titles, let us know.
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When you find a white bodybuilder that has won eight Olympias or four Arnold Classic titles, let us know.
;D
Arnold won 7 Olympia's and the Classic wasn't around then.
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I was thinking how, Charles Glass trained Flex Wheeler and Chris Cormier, but also trains stars and a starlets and others with money. So does Lee Haney, Now Chris Cormier is training Britney Spears. Why don't others like Flex, instead of maybe doing a comeback, use his competitive bodybuilding resume and train Hollywood stars, or work for a Pro football athletic program or a high profile college athletic program. Hell, he knows more than most trainers, plus he can back up his talk.
Think about it, a 4x Arnold Classic winner, a top 10 Olympia finisher, and multiple contest winner, sounds better on one's resume, than some dude who, yes has their degree, but barely has ever had 16 inch arms, let alone ever looked like Flex did.
Flex could move the Las Vegas, Atlanta, or Miami, set up shop if he wanted to and possibly make a killing.
Says who? Only someone interested in bodybuilding. The average person, looking for a trainer to help them get in shape or "tone up", could care less how big around a trainer's arm is. As long as he's somewhat lean and muscular and has some sort of credentials, he'll fit the bill.
The same could go true for Shawn Ray, I remember reading that he would get invited to the watch the Green Bay practices, I think he could step it up further and be a trainer.
Why don't dudes like this use, their knowledge to further their lives after they have retired (Especially Flex) instead, of thinking about killing themselves.
You assume that all (or most) bodybuilders are actually interested in getting someone else in shape. Wheeler may not be one of those guys. Plus, without the certification, and a steady stream of paying clientele, a personal trainer is little more than a maid in a weight room. For some reason, I don't think Flex wants to polish the mirrors, wipe the sweat of the benches, or put the dumbbells back on the rack and the plates on the weight tree.
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Arnold won 7 Olympia's and the Classic wasn't around then.
I believe I said something to the tune of "When you find a white bodybuilder that has won EIGHT Olympias...." . Last time I checked, seven isn't equal to eight.
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I believe I said something to the tune of "When you find a white bodybuilder that has won EIGHT Olympias...." . Last time I checked, seven isn't equal to eight.
actually this thread was about Flex Wheeler and he never even won one.
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actually this thread was about Flex Wheeler and he never even won one.
It wasn't about Arnold Schwarzenegger, either, except for the reference to the contest named after him.
And, my initial full statement was, "When you find a white bodybuilder that has won eight Olympias or FOUR Arnold Classic titles, let us know.
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FLex Wheeler couldn't teach a dog to take a #### outside.
:D
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Would you really want someone training your athletes who doesn't even take his own health seriously? I can imagine it would look something like this. :D
250 mg sustanon per day
250 mg testopan (enanthate) per day
1000 Deca Durabolin
Humatrope Growth Hormone, 6 units per, 6 times a day!! (Five times a week)
Long-Acting Insulin 100 units in the morning
Fast Acting insulin 25 units per meal (he is now to scared to eat without insulin)
Oxymethelone (whatever type he can get) 5x50mg tabs
300 mcg T3 per day
200-mcg clen (taken five days on 2 days off)
Nubain 5 ml a day, 3 times a week (supposedly to reduce the addictiveness)
Glucophage, taken before workouts, 4,000mg
He does do IGF-1 but he limits it to 4 week cycles as he believes that most of the research on this shows limited length of time of effectiveness. He will then follow this up with a 4-week break
80 mg fluxoetine (prozac) to help with the chemical imbalances and to assist him to keep stress from the drugs down
180 mg Ephedrine Hydrochloride, before workouts
4,000 mg Testosterone Propionate
2 vials of Masteron
2 vials of Parabolan
10 tabs of halotestin per day, before training
DNP for a week in weeks 6,4 and 2
Clenbuterol on alternating weeks at 400mcg per day
T3 400mcg per day
Nubain as above
Insulin as above
Growth Hormone 6 units 6 times per day
IGF-1 for the four weeks to week 2 at 100 mcg per day.
100mg of fluxoetine (prozac)
Ephedrine as above
I estimate the mg’s at somewhere around 6,500 to 7,000 mgs a week
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Says who? Only someone interested in bodybuilding. The average person, looking for a trainer to help them get in shape or "tone up", could care less how big around a trainer's arm is. As long as he's somewhat lean and muscular and has some sort of credentials, he'll fit the bill.
You assume that all (or most) bodybuilders are actually interested in getting someone else in shape. Wheeler may not be one of those guys. Plus, without the certification, and a steady stream of paying clientele, a personal trainer is little more than a maid in a weight room. For some reason, I don't think Flex wants to polish the mirrors, wipe the sweat of the benches, or put the dumbbells back on the rack and the plates on the weight tree.
BUt Charles Class has (is ) doing it, I don't know Charles cred, even though he used to be a gymnast. I beleive Madonna Grimes has a successful dance studio in LA. Flex is heavily into martial arts, so I believe he has some discipline ::). I was just thinking why can't Flex and others just tranfer their knowledge to the public or to other bodybuilders
I agree with the bold type. But if Lee Haney can do it, again I don't know if lee went and got a degree, so can Flex. ANd it allows he to at least stay in shape, but most importantly feed his family, without getting back on stage ( a big rumour).
Sometimes it is this lack of thinking outside the box, that hinders individuals from gaining more from life
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"Flex" couldn't be a personal trainer, he'd have to lug around that big, bulky dialysis machine to his "clients" houses.
Yeah, really, who'd hire Flex? I mean, if I had a spare kidney I was looking to take out for a walk, I'd go straight to the source and hire teh Chad.
Flex is too busy trying to chase down those ninjas who stole his bandwidth at last year's O anyway!
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IMO, a lot of trainers (the Coach comes to mind) know a lot more about training than a lot of top BBers do.
They have great genes, they take good stuff, they pig out on good and bad foods.
If you applied their training and nutrition to a natural guy with average genes, you'd have an overtrained guy with a gut.
That being said, a lot of them SHOULD translate their stage success into livings teaching bodybuilders to peak/prep, posing, presentation, etc.
Great post Rob!
Bodybuilding is the EXACT opposite of what most clients want and what any athlete needs.
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Ah.............Growing up to be a Personal Trainer was never on my "Wish List" as a 40 year old retired competitor. ::)
I competed because I was a Bodybuilder and made a living doing it.
I'm doing just fine, thank you very much. 8)
S. Ray
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I'm doing just fine, thank you very much. 8)
keep telling strangers that.
you wouldn't want people to see you as insecure and materialistic and unsure of yourself.
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Ah.............Growing up to be a Personal Trainer was never on my "Wish List" as a 40 year old retired competitor. ::)
I competed because I was a Bodybuilder and made a living doing it.
I'm doing just fine, thank you very much. 8)
S. Ray
I was just trying to give an avenue that maybe you hadn't though of, and try and translate your knowledge and discipline to as I said a high profile athletic program. Or showing aoem athletes how to get bigger guns, specifically, men tennis players You could show them how that would translate in faster serves. Hell, Serena's arms are bigger than most of them, and her serves rival if not are faster than the mens.
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FLex Wheeler couldn't teach a dog to take a shit outside.
YOU'RE RIGHT...THE DOG ALREADY KNOWS HOW TO TAKE A SHIT AND DOESN'T NEED TRAINING FROM FLEX.
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How in the world could a guy like Flex Wheeler train Hollywood stars??? In his own head, he believes he is some kind of star...He wouldn't last 5 minutes in a weight room with someone who walks around with 5 body guards ect...These types of people are delousional
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How in the world could a guy like Flex Wheeler train Hollywood stars??? In his own head, he believes he is some kind of star...He wouldn't last 5 minutes in a weight room with someone who walks around with 5 body guards ect...These types of people are delousional
not to mention he looks like shit today
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I believe I said something to the tune of "When you find a white bodybuilder that has won EIGHT Olympias...." . Last time I checked, seven isn't equal to eight.
you are asking a lot of squadfather to know the difference between 7 and 8
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I was thinking how, Charles Glass trained Flex Wheeler and Chris Cormier, but also trains stars and a starlets and others with money. So does Lee Haney, Now Chris Cormier is training Britney Spears. Why don't others like Flex, instead of maybe doing a comeback, use his competitive bodybuilding resume and train Hollywood stars, or work for a Pro football athletic program or a high profile college athletic program. Hell, he knows more than most trainers, plus he can back up his talk.
Think about it, a 4x Arnold Classic winner, a top 10 Olympia finisher, and multiple contest winner, sounds better on one's resume, than some dude who, yes has their degree, but barely has ever had 16 inch arms, let alone ever looked like Flex did.
Flex could move the Las Vegas, Atlanta, or Miami, set up shop if he wanted to and possibly make a killing.
The same could go true for Shawn Ray, I remember reading that he would get invited to the watch the Green Bay practices, I think he could step it up further and be a trainer.
Why don't dudes like this use, their knowledge to further their lives after they have retired (Especially Flex) instead, of thinking about killing themselves.
Parker,
Im not sure how you came to the conclusion that some drug abusing bber with no education is privy to some esoteric strength training info!
Hope this helps!
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Parker,
Im not sure how you came to the conclusion that some drug abusing bber with no education is privy to some esoteric strength training info!
Hope this helps!
Would that also go for Shawn Ray as well.
It has been noted that Flex is well read, despite not having a college degree. But I beleive he has some figment of doing things right. A la, his use of escilene in a T formation on his delts, or using synothol in a manner in which he did not over do it. This shows some sort of knowledge doing things right. I give a person some credit, because few have accomplished what he has, but more have taken more drugs than he has, without the same results.
I was just giving a thought to Flex or others who try and do a comeback to the stage, a safer route to exploit what they have learned thru trial and error
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Would that also go for Shawn Ray as well.
It has been noted that Flex is well read, despite not having a college degree. But I beleive he has some figment of doing things right. A la, his use of escilene in a T formation on his delts, or using synothol in a manner in which he did not over do it. This shows some sort of knowledge doing things right. I give a person some credit, because few have accomplished what he has, but more have taken more drugs than he has, without the same results.
I was just giving a thought to Flex or others who try and do a comeback to the stage, a safer route to exploit what they have learned thru trial and error
Yes this goes for any bber who takes illegal drugs, or better yet any bber for that matter.
How would shooting synthol or getting a "T" formation on his delts would some how make someone capable of being a strength/speed coach for an athlete?
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Yes this goes for any bber who takes illegal drugs, or better yet any bber for that matter.
How would shooting synthol or getting a "T" formation on his delts would some how make someone capable of being a strength/speed coach for an athlete?
I was responding to your post saying that " .. bber with no education is privy..." post. We all are privy to some sort of knowledge, and being in the fattest country in the world, a lot of people could benefit (although, it is more of a lack of discipline than lack of knowledge). Those who choose to keep what ever grains of info they have learn within the iron game are truly the selfish, but those who choose to share that info, are at least giving back to the community.
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I was thinking how, Charles Glass trained Flex Wheeler and Chris Cormier, but also trains stars and a starlets and others with money. So does Lee Haney, Now Chris Cormier is training Britney Spears. Why don't others like Flex, instead of maybe doing a comeback, use his competitive bodybuilding resume and train Hollywood stars, or work for a Pro football athletic program or a high profile college athletic program. Hell, he knows more than most trainers, plus he can back up his talk.[/glow]Think about it, a 4x Arnold Classic winner, a top 10 Olympia finisher, and multiple contest winner, sounds better on one's resume, than some dude who, yes has their degree, but barely has ever had 16 inch arms, let alone ever looked like Flex did.
Flex could move the Las Vegas, Atlanta, or Miami, set up shop if he wanted to and possibly make a killing.
The same could go true for Shawn Ray, I remember reading that he would get invited to the watch the Green Bay practices, I think he could step it up further and be a trainer.[/glow]Why don't dudes like this use, their knowledge to further their lives after they have retired (Especially Flex) instead, of thinking about killing themselves.
OK Once again please tell me how being a bber could possibly have anything to do with being a strength/speed coach for a pro or high profile college team?
Exactly what knowledge would they offer???
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Ah.............Growing up to be a Personal Trainer was never on my "Wish List" as a 40 year old retired competitor. ::)
I competed because I was a Bodybuilder and made a living doing it.
I'm doing just fine, thank you very much. 8)
S. Ray
depending on your wife as the bread winner for the family is considered "just fine"?
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Training an athlete to perform on the field of play is much different than training for a bodybuilding contest. A bodybuiler only needs to train for maximum hypertrophy. An athlete needs to concern his/herself with raising their strength, speed, endurance, etc. Former bodybuilders simply are not experienced enough to design a training program that would improve all the skills that are required to exceed in most sports.
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Training an athlete to perform on the field of play is much different than training for a bodybuilding contest. A bodybuiler only needs to train for maximum hypertrophy. An athlete needs to concern his/herself with raising their strength, speed, endurance, etc. Former bodybuilders simply are not experienced enough to design a training program that would improve all the skills that are required to exceed in most sports.
EXACTLY!.... Im still very curious as to why Parker would suggest being a 4 x Arnold/Olympia blah blah winner would have anything to do with improving the Athletes of a Pro Football team or "High profile college athletic program" .
Parker, Why did you suggest such an insane idea? ??? :o It makes no sense! Please SPEAK ON THIS!
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I was responding to your post saying that " .. bber with no education is privy..." post. We all are privy to some sort of knowledge, and being in the fattest country in the world, a lot of people could benefit (although, it is more of a lack of discipline than lack of knowledge). Those who choose to keep what ever grains of info they have learn within the iron game are truly the selfish, but those who choose to share that info, are at least giving back to the community.
Rumors were that Jay Cutler was notorious for given bad info to some of his "friends" back when he lived in Mass...
Also i heard that Flex after his career was over would sleep 15 hours a day. Probably not the most motivated person in the world
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depending on your wife as the bread winner for the family is considered "just fine"?
I don't recall Shawn Ray being on welfare, when he was single. If I'm not mistaken, on Battle for the Olympia: 2000, Ray has a rather good-sized house. And, wasn't that a red Ferarri (Diablo VT) he drove from his garage to the gym?
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I don't recall Shawn Ray being on welfare, when he was single. If I'm not mistaken, on Battle for the Olympia: 2000, Ray has a rather good-sized house. And, wasn't that a red Ferarri (Diablo VT) he drove from his garage to the gym?
Wasn't it said the Shawn "borrowed" the Diablo ect...