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GH15 Vs Milos, who is speaking the truth about dosages for the majority of the Pros.
Please vote.
I have used the darkside and the more shit i have used the bigger i got(Never used insulin or HGH,IGF).
Am a natural now as i do not have that reverse anorexia that used to plauge me, but if i had the money i might try GH15 cycle.
Would i Die or be as big as a Pro.I have good genetics and have responded well in the past to small amounts but nothing like when i put my head on the chopping block and went all out.
Is Milos defending the IFBB by saying Pros use less than more or is GH15 the real deal.My moneys on the latter.Surely there must be genetically gifted bodybuilders in the world at every gym who only use less than a gram a week and is not the next big thing.
Milos comments completely baffle me.
Maybe some juice heads on the board can clarify what GH15 and Milos are saying.Jay Cutler on 1 to 2 grams a week seems laughable.
Discuss
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Milos. People who have to use the doses prescribed by GH15 to grow or be champs are the genetic equivalent of garbage juice.
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Small amounts that milos suggested got me maybe 15 pounds ,using close to 4 to 5 grams a week got me crazy big and unhealthy.Not advocating steroid abuse but i did see the results.
Am a healthy natural now for 2 years with athletic physique so why bother using the shit.
Have talked to a few friends who are aspiring bodybuilders and the take more or less what GH15 professes there quite honest with me knowing my background and one is Pro size they just live,work,sleep,train,inject,swallow pills and live what i see as determined Bodybuilding life 24/7.
And by the way The three amigos is what i call them all squat 600 pounds
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Milos. People who have to use the doses prescribed by GH15 to grow or be champs are the genetic equivalent of garbage juice.
You have just described the top 6 at last years MrO.
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Milos lies....no doubt - ".5 -1 g of test, and .5-1 g of other AAS, a few months off in between the cycles and so on" - that' s the biggest joke i 've heard in a while.
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If there using such small amounts why were the bodybuilders of the 70s small compared to say Dorian.Thing that make you go HMMM
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If there using such small amounts why were the bodybuilders of the 70s small compared to say Dorian.Thing that make you go HMMM
Exactly, Compare Markus Ruhl and Ronnie to the pros of the 70s.
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I love how everyone here knows the stacks of the pros ;D
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Exactly, Compare Markus Ruhl and Ronnie to the pros of the 70s.
the guys from the 70's were not using small amounts at all, but probably poor cycling and lack of GH and slin is what makes difference!
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Exactly, Compare Markus Ruhl and Ronnie to the pros of the 70s.
I guess the pros back then didn't work hard enough and have a proper diet. ::)
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I guess the pros back then didn't work hard enough and have a proper diet. ::)
haha must be cuz protein supplementation is better now.
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Small amounts that milos suggested got me maybe 15 pounds ,using close to 4 to 5 grams a week got me crazy big and unhealthy.Not advocating steroid abuse but i did see the results.
Am a healthy natural now for 2 years with athletic physique so why bother using the shit.
Have talked to a few friends who are aspiring bodybuilders and the take more or less what GH15 professes there quite honest with me knowing my background and one is Pro size they just live,work,sleep,train,inject,swallow pills and live what i see as determined Bodybuilding life 24/7.
And by the way The three amigos is what i call them all squat 600 pounds
I squat 550 and have never used over 1200mg a week. :-\
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I squat 550 and have never used over 1200mg a week. :-\
These guys are crazy,Mood swings anger management issues.The gifted one uses free weight squats for reps of 8 the other 2 use the smith machine with not great form but they lift hardcore on most exercises.
Funny story one was at GNC and walked out with a stack of supplements without paying and said to the security guard at the mall what he was going to do about it.The security guard said jackshit and he walked off.True story ;D
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I squat 550 and have never used over 1200mg a week. :-\
I Have never been a heavy lifter even with 4 to 5 grams in me a week injectibles and pills and i was only repping out with 400 on squats will not post reps just be called a liar otherwise.
But you are a strong dude lifting 550 with that little in your system.
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I Have never been a heavy lifter even with 4 to 5 grams in me a week injectibles and pills and i was only repping out with 400 on squats will not post reps just be called a liar otherwise.
But you are a strong dude lifting 550 with that little in your system.
I surprised I haven't been flamed yet. ::) I think I'd feel like shit if I used any more. I tried around 2g's a week once and I was a mess. Constant headaches with a mild "test fever". For me less is definetly more.
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Good to have Milos back. His post are always interesting and well written. Also, I'm glad the Asian thing worked out as good as it could possibly could for him.
But Milos, we are not uneducated peasants. We live in the age of the internet and information about steroids is out there. It is personally ok with me however much these guys take as it is HIS decision. You've got to concede the bigger ones (260+ a la Dennis James) take at least 2.5 grams of Test a week.
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I surprised I haven't been flamed yet. ::) I think I'd feel like shit if I used any more. I tried around 2g's a week once and I was a mess. Constant headaches with a mild "test fever". For me less is definetly more.
Now natural i dot use anything over 225pounds except for dumbells for shrugs and the occasional shoulder workout with dumbells i concentrate on tension and pump and i am not small, i have never lied about my lifts on or natural.
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Good to have Milos back. His post are always interesting and well written. Also, I'm glad the Asian thing worked out as good as it could possibly could for him.
But Milos, we are not uneducated peasants. We live in the age of the internet and information about steroids is out there. It is personally ok with me however much these guys take as it is HIS decision. You've got to concede the bigger ones (260+ a la Dennis James) take at least 2.5 grams of Test a week.
I think you're all forgetting what GH15 was proposing. He wasn't saying 2.5g/week...he was saying more like 25g/week...and a whole grab-bag of random additions...bit 'o difference there...
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Small amounts that milos suggested got me maybe 15 pounds
So a gram of test and 300mgs of deca only got you 15 pounds? Ha ha ha, ha ha ha, ha ha ha! You obviously have the genetics and work ethic of a slug! A first timer can pack on 20lbs using pro hormones! Damn, you put on 7lbs using creatine! Ha ha ha, you are a joke.
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the answer is somewhere in between, larger doses than you and me take but not that crazy shit dummy 15 wrote, you'd hardly have time to train would be a human pin cushion or dart board.
Truth is Milos nor anyone else can tell us what everyone does..but they all do AAS, GH and Slin at the upper level all of them no doubt about it.
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So a gram of test and 300mgs of deca only got you 15 pounds? Ha ha ha, ha ha ha, ha ha ha! You obviously have the genetics and work ethic of a slug! A first timer can pack on 20lbs using pro hormones! Damn, you put on 7lbs using creatine! Ha ha ha, you are a joke.
Yes 15 pounds of lean mass over a month not to shabby in my opinion.Prior to the 2 years i have been natural i used moderate to extremly high dosages of androgens and 15 pounds was about a 3rd of what i put on my heaviest cycle.From what my doctor told me my liver was dissolving last heavy cycle about 45 pounds of lean muscle later i quit and went on PCT consisting of drugs prescribed by my doctor for liver diseaese to HCG where my testicle were the size of peanuts.My mistake was to many orals over an extended period of time.
I have been in the Iron game 17 years and imagine on my heaviest cycle i used HGH,IGF,Insulin that i have never used how big i could have become.
I am Natural for life and was joking about using GH15 cycle so all this makes me a joke.Tell this to the three amigos i talked about they would implant a 45 pound plate in your head if you joked about them but personally i could not give a shit what you think about me. ;D
I am clean and will stay so for the rest of my life my doctor has warned me not to drink moderatly or heavy because of my liver situation if i follow his instructions i should live a full life.
I Will enter the MR Getbig in 2008 and see where i am compared to the rest of the board.
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the answer is somewhere in between, larger doses than you and me take but not that crazy shit dummy 15 wrote, you'd hardly have time to train would be a human pin cushion or dart board.
Truth is Milos nor anyone else can tell us what everyone does..but they all do AAS, GH and Slin at the upper level all of them no doubt about it.
The three amigos i talk about are resposible drug takers they see a Doctor freaquently and have a guru guiding them through this minefield of health issues maybe the gifted one will turn Pro and be on these boards oneday who knows stranger things have happened.
the answer is somewhere in between, larger doses than you and me take but not that crazy shit dummy 15 wrote, you'd hardly have time to train would be a human pin cushion or dart board.
Truth is Milos nor anyone else can tell us what everyone does..but they all do AAS, GH and Slin at the upper level all of them no doubt about it.
They are human pin cushions they inject into there calves to there lats quite amusing.
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Yes 15 pounds of lean mass over a month not to shabby in my opinion.Prior to the 2 years i have been natural i used moderate to extremly high dosages of androgens and 15 pounds was about a 3rd of what i put on my heaviest cycle.From what my doctor told me my liver was dissolving last heavy cycle about 45 pounds of lean muscle later i quit and went on PCT consisting of drugs prescribed by my doctor for liver diseaese to HCG where my testicle were the size of peanuts.
I have been in the Iron game 17 years and imagine on my heaviest cycle i used HGH,IGF,Insulin that i have never used how big i could have become.
I am Natural for life and was joking about using GH15 cycle so all this makes me a joke.Tell this to the three amigos i talked about they would implant a 45 pound plate in your head if you joked about them but personally i could not give a shit what you think about me. ;D
I am clean and will stay so for the rest of my life my doctor has warned me not to drink moderatly or heavy because of my liver situation if i follow his instructions i should live a full life.
I Will enter the MR Getbig in 2008 and see where i am compared to the rest of the board.
I hope you're not expecting sympathy?
You decided to pump yourself full of steroids, no one else. You deserve a fucked up liver for being so stupid. I just hope it was worth it.
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I hope you're not expecting sympathy?
You decided to pump yourself full of steroids, no one else. You deserve a fucked up liver for being so stupid. I just hope it was worth it.
Your absoulutly right it was my fuck up for not researching what i was taking, it was worth it i saw the darkside of bodybuilding and what it does, the first signs was pissing blood scared the shit out of me.My doctor says overtime my liver will regenerate to near normal status the only correct thing i did was drinking 4 to 6 litres of water a day and the doctor said that was the only reason i did not have kidney failure.I do not expect sympathy because natural i can hopefully make it into my 80s still lifting.Any one considering using steroids Google Big Cat Steroid Profiles very interesting reading and full of information to the newby.
One thing else on my rant have some one with you if you use Insulin very dangerous ,have first hand knowledge of a guy who went into a Coma.He came out of it the lucky bastard.
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Your absoulutly right it was my fuck up for not researching what i was taking, it was worth it i saw the darkside of bodybuilding and what it does, the first signs was pissing blood scared the shit out of me.My doctor says overtime my liver will regenerate to near normal status the only correct thing i did was drinking 4 to 6 litres of water a day and the doctor said that was the only reason i did not have kidney failure.I do not expect sympathy because natural i can hopefully make it into my 80s still lifting.Any one considering using steroids Google Big Cat Steroid Profiles very interesting reading and full of information to the newby.
One thing else on my rant have some one with you if you use Insulin very dangerous ,have first hand knowledge of a guy who went into a Coma.He came out of it the lucky bastard.
HEY PAISANO,ya seem alright
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this subject will be in the ranks of UFOs,the lochness monster, and what does a pro cycle looks like. i bet its a bunch of goods and plenty of covering up what u do. with the pro ranks any little thing that will give them an advantage would be a hush hush..
One thing, i remember alooong time ago when i was a young iron monkey i believed that none of these guys juiced. hell when their was a rumor that ultimate warrior juiced i was forced to hate him due to drug use. But along side the hated warrior our good friend hulk hogan was juiced to the gills and loved by all. i think both are right and if someone want to follow g15 advice hell go ahead, just let us know how it goes.As for Milo's, i bet theirs plenty of folks on the boards that ran this before .... lets hear from them? u a pro yet?
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GH15 Vs Milos, who is speaking the truth about dosages for the majority of the Pros.
Please vote.
I have used the darkside and the more shit i have used the bigger i got(Never used insulin or HGH,IGF).
Am a natural now as i do not have that reverse anorexia that used to plauge me, but if i had the money i might try GH15 cycle.
Would i Die or be as big as a Pro.I have good genetics and have responded well in the past to small amounts but nothing like when i put my head on the chopping block and went all out.
Is Milos defending the IFBB by saying Pros use less than more or is GH15 the real deal.My moneys on the latter.Surely there must be genetically gifted bodybuilders in the world at every gym who only use less than a gram a week and is not the next big thing.
Milos comments completely baffle me.
Maybe some juice heads on the board can clarify what GH15 and Milos are saying.Jay Cutler on 1 to 2 grams a week seems laughable.
Discuss
The majority of IFBB pros use over 1G Test ew and there is no disputing that in my mind.
I don't care what Milos Sarcev or Lee Priest say.
The bodybuilder with great genetics, or hyper responders like Kevin Levrone can get by with less, but they are still around that 1G mark.
Bodybuilders with average to below average genetics are megadosing at two and three times that amount.
DIV
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div i see your point but on the grand scheme of things,leverone a good responder and needs or used less,what is avg or below avg genetics to get their,is warren above avg to begin with or not give example?a middleweight who competed at 172 like henry and now over 200 4 yrs later and is pretty thick and crazy conditioned is that avg,i mean he had good shape and was conditioned to become a pro it's what he did after that made him.
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1st Off People who never used the stuff got no Biz talking about it. ONLY Reason I ever put my 2cents worth on GB is.... I was gonna rip my hair out and scream if I read another young guy about to Fuck himself up silly with BBing DOPE!
Hey, I personally like the stuff, and have had the good fortune to have unlimited access to human Pharma products in my life.. RESPONSE IS VERY INDIVIDUAL.
NOTHING SAID PUBLICLY ABOUT "STEROIDS" by ANYONE WHO HOPES TO EVER GET ANYTHING OUT OF THE IFBB AGAIN IS WORTH STOPPING TO LISTEN TO!! NOTHING. They allways talked out both sides of their mouth and allways will. Joe Public cant handle the truth. This goes for all sports.
Athletes are supposed to be "Hero's". Hero's and Hypos is hard for many on the sidelines to reconcile.
Milos is preaching the New Party Line. Hey, today Total Denial is too much even for little old ladies to believe.
Most these BIG BOYS run loads of stuff that'd blow your mind. No it ain't healthy.
I feel moderate courses done time to time are.
What really cracks me up are the jerks that say its IMPOSSIBLE TO TAKE THAT MUCH! ::) (GH15 dose)
Most of them have never used, or took a couple shots once.
Shit, I'm nothing special or very big and I can hold close to 3000mgs in a front load.
And I get NO Further bennies running up the dose. SOme do.
Genetics for gear is real. esp insulin + HGH in the rare guy IMO.
Ever watch a 320lb big strong guy eat? EVERYTHING is on a different scale for them. Life's a allaround pain in the ass for them. How much drugs of any kind a monster that big can choke down?
Tip - A REAL LOT!!
a HANDFULL of 10 Dbol on top of several grams of test and deca and anadrol and... IS commonplace w/
big The Big Euro monsters on Holliday in pattaya. Just because its hard for YOU to get dont mean it is for all.
WHen you have unlimited access, things change.
US doses prolly will be forced down after this Benoit thing. Just wait. I'm sure the DEA operation is well into planing.
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My buddy Phil Hernon (IFBB) said that he typically used 500mgs of test a week when not in precontest mode, and for contests he upped that to 750, added 400mgs of deca (weekly), and 50mgs of winstrol + 20mgs of Dbol (Daily).
I have no reason to doubt him. He competed in the 90's.
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My buddy Phil Hernon (IFBB) said that he typically used 500mgs of test a week when not in precontest mode, and for contests he upped that to 750, added 400mgs of deca (weekly), and 50mgs of winstrol + 20mgs of Dbol (Daily).
I have no reason to doubt him. He competed in the 90's.
Awesome genetics
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My buddy Phil Hernon (IFBB) said that he typically used 500mgs of test a week when not in precontest mode, and for contests he upped that to 750, added 400mgs of deca (weekly), and 50mgs of winstrol + 20mgs of Dbol (Daily).
I have no reason to doubt him. He competed in the 90's.
hahahaha, another clown who knows the pros personally. ::)
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So a gram of test and 300mgs of deca only got you 15 pounds? Ha ha ha, ha ha ha, ha ha ha! You obviously have the genetics and work ethic of a slug! A first timer can pack on 20lbs using pro hormones! Damn, you put on 7lbs using creatine! Ha ha ha, you are a joke.
15 lbs? A gram of test alone puts 25lbs on me with in the first 10 days. I don't know I would have to agree with Milos over GH15. I know of people who use 1500 to 2000mgs of test a week, but know where near the amounts he is stating. I'd say it's somewhere in between. I've never used more that 20 units of insulin a day (split doses), I couldn't imagine 100 units.
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div i see your point but on the grand scheme of things,leverone a good responder and needs or used less,what is avg or below avg genetics to get their,is warren above avg to begin with or not give example?a middleweight who competed at 172 like henry and now over 200 4 yrs later and is pretty thick and crazy conditioned is that avg,i mean he had good shape and was conditioned to become a pro it's what he did after that made him.
The less gifted you are genetically equates to having to use higher doses to achieve the same results as someone who has good to great genetics.
With higher doses come higher incidences of sides.
Remember "Palumboism"?
DIV
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The less gifted you are genetically equates to having to use higher doses to achieve the same results as someone who has good to great genetics.
With higher doses come higher incidences of sides.
Remember "Palumboism"?
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Even cranking the dose dont help most guys at some point. Look how Kevein lost his swell? Now look at Dorian.
Hey there's sumfin funny. My guess, is HGH and slin at the right dose on Kev is near magic.
That dont downplay all the hard lifting and determined focus he put in. But genetics for a certian gear combo seems likely.
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15 lbs? A gram of test alone puts 25lbs on me with in the first 10 days. I don't know I would have to agree with Milos over GH15. I know of people who use 1500 to 2000mgs of test a week, but know where near the amounts he is stating. I'd say it's somewhere in between. I've never used more that 20 units of insulin a day (split doses), I couldn't imagine 100 units.
Part of my problem is i never lifted heavy i was just an uneducated about steroids especially orals and there long term damage.Simple as that
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15 lbs? A gram of test alone puts 25lbs on me with in the first 10 days. I don't know I would have to agree with Milos over GH15. I know of people who use 1500 to 2000mgs of test a week, but know where near the amounts he is stating. I'd say it's somewhere in between. I've never used more that 20 units of insulin a day (split doses), I couldn't imagine 100 units.
Do you ever feel your playing russian roulette with insulin or you use the minium.Serious question
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I don't know nor do I care what the pros use.
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Do you ever feel your playing russian roulette with insulin or you use the minium.Serious question
I've always stuck with the min. To be completely honest, I was affraid of becoming diabetic. I'd use 1 unit per 10lbs of BW. Back when I was stuck at the 200lb mark and all the test I could take wouldn't do anything, the Insulin took me to 220 and a few time later over the years to 240. Insulin is a powerful drug. As you know it is not for the beginner. Make sure you take carbs immediately afterwards the tunnel vision is scary. It comes out of nowhere and is fast. The last thing you want to do is go down in the shower.
Edit: use creatine with the insulin. Like the celltech supposedly uses the Insulin Mimicking effects to shuttle the creatine into the muscles, the Insulin actually does it. That is why it works so well. 8)
For others reading this, Once again though not for beginners.
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Make sure you take carbs immediately afterwards the tunnel vision is scary. It comes out of nowhere and is fast. The last thing you want to do is go down in the shower.
Tunnel vision?
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Tunnel vision?
i don't even want to think about it, scary shit.
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i don't even want to think about it, scary shit.
Slin, IGF, etc. is warping the body's essential chemistry. Like fattening livestock.
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Slin, IGF, etc. is warping the body's essential chemistry. Like fattening livestock.
i can see some test and dbol or whatever but the slin, GH, Glucophage use is just insane to me, no offense to dballin what he does is his choice.
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Tunnel vision?
Yup, take the I and say I'll get some carbs when I get out of the shower, the next thing you know the blackness is closing in and you are scrambling to get to the shower knobs and then sit down. Hopefully you have a girlfriend or wife to bring you a carbo force.
Scary shit. If your gonna take the shot, go ahead and drink some carbs.
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i can see some test and dbol or whatever but the slin, GH, Glucophage use is just insane to me, no offense to dballin what he does is his choice.
As long as you don't approach Slin like Anabolics you should be ok. For the most part you can get away with the more is better approach on roids, however using more slin could put you in a Coma. If I could afford it I'd stay on gear all year round. Slin however (for me at least) is just for getting past sticking points.
Most people would look good on just 500mgs of test a week, 75 mgs of Tren and 25-50mgs of Winny a day.
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i belive gh15.
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As long as you don't approach Slin like Anabolics you should be ok. For the most part you can get away with the more is better approach on roids, however using more slin could put you in a Coma. If I could afford it I'd stay on gear all year round. Slin however (for me at least) is just for getting past sticking points.
Most people would look good on just 500mgs of test a week, 75 mgs of Tren and 25-50mgs of Winny a day.
agreed with the aas use part, dam tunnel vision thats some scary shit..
u say sticking points? is that strength or physique wise?
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Tunnel vision?
Tunnel vission is a sign you are about to pass out. If youve lost conciousness a couple times, you'll come to recognize it if you pay attn. I dont use insulin, and dont think its a good idea. But it looks like it puts some serious weight on the right guys. Frankly I think that look is ruining BBing.
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Tunnel vission is a sign you are about to pass out. If youve lost conciousness a couple times, you'll come to recognize it if you pay attn. I dont use insulin, and dont think its a good idea. But it looks like it puts some serious weight on the right guys. Frankly I think that look is ruining BBing.
haha, if you've lost conciousness....you're dead
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we hope gh is right so we can continue flaming pro's for their drugs abuse.
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we hope gh is right so we can continue flaming pro's for their drugs abuse.
lol
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haha, if you've lost conciousness....you're dead
Blackout From Insulin? Prolly so. ANd it happens damn fast. I dont use that shiet.
Its all too far today. Insulin, DNP, synthol, IGF, EPO,..WHat I miss here? Plasma expanders..
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Blackout From Insulin? Prolly so. ANd it happens damn fast. I dont use that shiet.
Its all too far today. Insulin, DNP, synthol, IGF, EPO,..WHat I miss here? Plasma expanders..
Funny you mention Plasma Expanders Milos talked in depth about them and his use of them.Not sure if it was on Mayhem or Getbig a few years ago anyway.
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Funny you mention Plasma Expanders Milos talked in depth about them and his use of them.Not sure if it was on Mayhem or Getbig a few years ago anyway.
Have you ever checked into what them Bony lookin' Cyclists do? :o
Good God. They make BBers look sensible.
ESPN mag had a good story last month. Now THEY are - ALL DRUGS.
I should say, Their PERFORMANCE LEVEL is ALL DRUGS.
They look like crap.
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Have you ever checked into what them Bony lookin' Cyclists do? :o
Good God. They make BBers look sensible.
ESPN mag had a good story last month. Now THEY are - ALL DRUGS.
I should say, Their PERFORMANCE LEVEL is ALL DRUGS.
They look like crap.
I know is that its true Milos had a bust up with Chad and Nasser about it i remember i remember it vivdly, they were supposed to engorge the blood giving a fuller look.PM Milos im sure he will not deny it.
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I know is that its true Milos had a bust up with Chad and Nasser about it i remember i remember it vivdly, they were supposed to engorge the blood giving a fuller look.PM Milos im sure he will not deny it.
These cyclists get their blood so thick w/ red cells (EPO), the heart can barely pump!
They also used to carry around their own blood in coolers for transfusing red cell rich blood at critical times :-X ::).
Undetectable.
Story said, some sleep w/ heart monitors on to wake them if HR go too low, then wake up an move around/ exercise so as not to die in sleep from coronary! Even a normal dose of red cell building anapolon tabs makes most guys feel like crap unless he's working out.
Prolly the same principle.
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These cyclists get their blood so thick w/ red cells (EPO), the heart can barely pump!
They also used to carry around their own blood in coolers for transfusing red cell rich blood at critical times :-X ::).
Undetectable.
Story said, some sleep w/ heart monitors on to wake them if HR go too low, then wake up an move around/ exercise so as not to die in sleep from coronary! Even a normal dose of red cell building anapolon tabs makes most guys feel like crap unless he's working out.
Prolly the same principle.
epo is great stuff for an endurance athlete.
it oygenates the blood about 1000 times better than high altitude training.
the only problem is, when at rest the blood stops moving around so fast, congeals and thickens and, yes, you can dies from it.
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These cyclists get their blood so thick w/ red cells (EPO), the heart can barely pump!
They also used to carry around their own blood in coolers for transfusing red cell rich blood at critical times :-X ::).
Undetectable.
Story said, some sleep w/ heart monitors on to wake them if HR go too low, then wake up an move around/ exercise so as not to die in sleep from coronary! Even a normal dose of red cell building anapolon tabs makes most guys feel like crap unless he's working out.
Prolly the same principle.
Its like the rumour that some Bodybuilders Pros that will go unamed had blood tranfusions prior to stepping on stage.
I will make it very clear i agree with you 100% percent on cyclists when EPO came out over 14 young healthy cyclists died from complications but what i am stating is very different remember before the 98 MrO the bust up between Levrone and Chad Nicholls over Plasma expanders.
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Its like the rumour that some Bodybuilders Pros that will go unamed had blood tranfusions prior to stepping on stage.
I will make it very clear i agree with you 100% percent on cyclists when EPO came out over 14 young healthy cyclists died from complications but what i am stating is very different remember before the 98 MrO the bust up between Levrone and Chad Nicholls over Plasma expanders.
I'm not that tuned in on the Plasma thing. Only the guys themselves know.
This is a tailor made game for excess and obsession. I cant help but think plenty of them stop when they run out of injection sites. Then theres allways orals.
Drugs are a strange thing. One person feels like death on what another thrives on.
I don't doubt that Munzner Death stack one bit. Its like competitive eating, man is driven to see HOW Much anything he can do. I doubt ALL the O competitors regularly use that much gas, but I bet it blow your mind what they've tried.
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There is definetely something up with gh15, its no lie. you never see shawn, chick, lee or any other bodybuilder on this board talk to him. they re all disqusted that he is telling some stuff, that shouldnt be told. Milos can try to protect the truth, but its no use.
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My buddy Phil Hernon (IFBB) said that he typically used 500mgs of test a week when not in precontest mode, and for contests he upped that to 750, added 400mgs of deca (weekly), and 50mgs of winstrol + 20mgs of Dbol (Daily).
I have no reason to doubt him. He competed in the 90's.
i remember him saying something like that on promuscle, he also said that he went up to 280 lbs, 10 bf, just on prohormones, but it s hard to believe.
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I really dont know anymore with all the conflicting posts on this thread whos on what.Only the experience of the top bodybuilders with exotic drugs such as HGH,IGF,insulin maybe they play a major role in some not all bodybuilder sucess with the advent of distended stomachs, sheer mass.
The three amigos who i have mentioned before are in another state and i usually get a call from one them or an email with pics telling me the insane shit they take and there gains very similiar to what GH15 talk about.
Maybe Milos is right they take 1 gram of test 1 gram of deca and some other small amount of androgens cycle it properly for the longevity of there careers and use a boatload of HGH,Insulin,IGF and have fantastic genetics who knows i can only go off personel drug use the cycle i was running would probaly have killed a horse in the long run.
For one i believe Lee Priest in using small amounts the guys a mutant but i will always have my doubts about Cutler and Coleman they are so fucking Huge even if they lie about there contest weights ,have met Coleman in person not long after the Olympia in europe and i was gobsmacked how thick and vascular he was not to mention wide he was a shaved gorrila.
The truth is out there but the line is definately blurred in my opinion whether GH15 is exagerating or Milos is correct.I really dont know anymore.?
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If there using such small amounts why were the bodybuilders of the 70s small compared to say Dorian.Thing that make you go HMMM
Make you go hmmmm? No, not really. Although there were many great BB's back then, no one ever takes into account that these guys did not cycle properly, nor did they get hog wild with their diets like today’s top guys do. Many would scoff at the idea that ones diet had/has anything to do with the comparison, but these are the people that have no idea to what they are talking about.
the answer is somewhere in between, larger doses than you and me take but not that crazy shit dummy 15 wrote, you'd hardly have time to train would be a human pin cushion or dart board.
Truth is Milos nor anyone else can tell us what everyone does..but they all do AAS, GH and Slin at the upper level all of them no doubt about it.
Yes, the "majority truth" does most likely lie in between...but there are still some that fall into both the Milos and GH15 realms. Also, not all of these guys use insulin like you think they do...common misconception IMO. But use it, yes...to a degree depending on the person. But just like anything, there are those that don't.
1st Off People who never used the stuff got no Biz talking about it. ONLY Reason I ever put my 2cents worth on GB is.... I was gonna rip my hair out and scream if I read another young guy about to Fuck himself up silly with BBing DOPE!
Amen to that bro!
hahahaha, another clown who knows the pros personally. ::)
hahahaha, you need to know who you're addressing your comments to before you make them. Not doing so makes you look like a dumb ass.
Remember "Palumboism"?
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Yes, I remember it...I also remember that the idea is total bullshit.
There is definetely something up with gh15, its no lie. you never see shawn, chick, lee or any other bodybuilder on this board talk to him. they re all disqusted that he is telling some stuff, that shouldnt be told. Milos can try to protect the truth, but its no use.
Until GH15 makes some attempt to prove his credibility, then he has none IMO. This would not be to hard to do, and he could do so and still protect his identity. All he would need to do is to let Ron know who he is, then Ron could vouch for him being a top 10 IFBB guy...his name would never have to be mentioned.
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Make you go hmmmm? No, not really. Although there were many great BB's back then, no one ever takes into account that these guys did not cycle properly, nor did they get hog wild with their diets like today’s top guys do. Many would scoff at the idea that ones diet had/has anything to do with the comparison, but these are the people that have no idea to what they are talking about.
Yes, the "majority truth" does most likely lie in between...but there are still some that fall into both the Milos and GH15 realms. Also, not all of these guys use insulin like you think they do...common misconception IMO. But use it, yes...to a degree depending on the person. But just like anything, there are those that don't.
Amen to that bro!
hahahaha, you need to know who you're addressing your comments to before you make them. Not doing so makes you look like a dumb ass.
Yes, I remember it...I also remember that the idea is total bullshit.
Until GH15 makes some attempt to prove his credibility, then he has none IMO. This would not be to hard to do, and he could do so and still protect his identity. All he would need to do is to let Ron know who he is, then Ron could vouch for him being a top 10 IFBB guy...his name would never have to be mentioned.
What is your opinion on Serge Nubret and Sergio Oliva with todays advances in nutrition and exotic drugs such as Insulin,HGH,IGF how would they compete or look like in the 21st century.
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What is your opinion on Serge Nubret and Sergio Oliva with todays advances in nutrition and exotic drugs such as Insulin,HGH,IGF how would they compete or look like in the 21st century.
More then likely bigger, harder, denser, etc. But as for a speculation on their overall look or how they would place...hard to say, because we're simply talking about a "what if" kind of question.
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More then likely bigger, harder, denser, etc. But as for a speculation on their overall look or how they would place...hard to say, because we're simply talking about a "what if" kind of question.
I think Sergio had the best chassis (one of) we ever seen. Serge couldn't put on the bulk it take to be in the running today no matter what. It just wouldn't look good on him even if he could. This all get like what color corvette you want though. My opinion stinks to guys that want that wasp like look. I respect that opinion. It looks impractical, weak and vulnerable to me.
World need corvettes and Hummers, all got a beauty they own.
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What is your opinion on Serge Nubret and Sergio Oliva with todays advances in nutrition and exotic drugs such as Insulin,HGH,IGF how would they compete or look like in the 21st century.
The difference would probably be something like Coleman 99 vs 03; considerably bigger overall including waist which in their case they could get away with.
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Make you go hmmmm? No, not really. Although there were many great BB's back then, no one ever takes into account that these guys did not cycle properly, nor did they get hog wild with their diets like today’s top guys do. Many would scoff at the idea that ones diet had/has anything to do with the comparison, but these are the people that have no idea to what they are talking about.
Yes, the "majority truth" does most likely lie in between...but there are still some that fall into both the Milos and GH15 realms. Also, not all of these guys use insulin like you think they do...common misconception IMO. But use it, yes...to a degree depending on the person. But just like anything, there are those that don't.
Amen to that bro!
hahahaha, you need to know who you're addressing your comments to before you make them. Not doing so makes you look like a dumb ass.
Yes, I remember it...I also remember that the idea is total bullshit.
Until GH15 makes some attempt to prove his credibility, then he has none IMO. This would not be to hard to do, and he could do so and still protect his identity. All he would need to do is to let Ron know who he is, then Ron could vouch for him being a top 10 IFBB guy...his name would never have to be mentioned.
why do people keep saying that bbers from the 60s - 80s didn't go hog wild with their diets?
where do you think the term 'bulking up' came from?
these guys ate like pigs in the off season.
bbers are larger today for the same reason linemen are all weighing over 300lbs today as opposed to 230-250 in the 60s and 70s and linemen actually had a higher body fat percentage and ate more back then.
much much heavier anabolics use, gh, insulin and igf1 are the big reasons.
i really can't understand why some of you guys can't see right through milos' bullshit.
i can only ask the naive and deluded 2 simple questions:
1. DO YOU REALLY THINK THAT MILOS SARCEV IS GOING TO TELL YOU THAT CURRENT PRO BBERS, OF WHICH HE PERSONALLY TRAINS SEVERAL, ARE TAKING MASSIVE DOSAGES OF GEAR ???
2. ON THE EVE OF MARKETING ONE OF HIS MOST HYPED SUPPLEMENTS WOULD HE ACTUALLY WANT PEOPLE TO KNOW THAT THE PRODUCT HAD ABOUT AS MUCH TO DO WITH CREATING AN ANABOLIC ENVIRONMENT AS A CAN OF COLA?
actually, at 25grams of high gi carbs a serve vs the coke's 60 grams of high gi carbs per serve, the coke is probably more anabolic if we are attempting to induce a natural insulin spike, which is exactly where milos is going with this bullshit...and they call this man the 'mind'. ::)
he probably got that moniker from one of you fuck wits.
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I think Sergio had the best chassis (one of) we ever seen. Serge couldn't put on the bulk it take to be in the running today no matter what. It just wouldn't look good on him even if he could. This all get like what color corvette you want though. My opinion stinks to guys that want that wasp like look. I respect that opinion. It looks impractical, weak and vulnerable to me.
World need corvettes and Hummers, all got a beauty they own.
why do people keep saying that bbers from the 60s - 80s didn't go hog wild with their diets?
where do you think the term 'bulking up' came from?
these guys ate like pigs in the off season.
bbers are larger today for the same reason linemen are all weighing over 300lbs today as opposed to 230-250 in the 60s and 70s and linemen actually had a higher body fat percentage and ate more back then.
much much heavier anabolics use, gh, insulin and igf1 are the big reasons.
i really can't understand why some of you guys can't see right through milos' bullshit.
i can only ask the naive and deluded 2 simple questions:
1. DO YOU REALLY THINK THAT MILOS SARCEV IS GOING TO TELL YOU THAT CURRENT PRO BBERS, OF WHICH HE PERSONALLY TRAINS SEVERAL, ARE TAKING MASSIVE DOSAGES OF GEAR ???
2. ON THE EVE OF MARKETING ONE OF HIS MOST HYPED SUPPLEMENTS WOULD HE ACTUALLY WANT PEOPLE TO KNOW THAT THE PRODUCT HAD ABOUT AS MUCH TO DO WITH CREATING AN ANABOLIC ENVIRONMENT AS A CAN OF COLA?
actually, at 25grams of high gi carbs a serve vs the coke's 60 grams of high gi carbs per serve, the coke is probably more anabolic if we are attempting to induce a natural insulin spike, which is exactly where milos is going with this bullshit...and they call this man the 'mind'. ::)
he probably got that moniker from one of you fuck wits.
good post but theirs a gray area,and whether u believe or not milos has his opinion on his practices.
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good post but theirs a gray area,and whether u believe or not milos has his opinion on his practices.
yes he does but if you think he's going to be stupid enough to talk about it on a public message board just as he's launching his most hyped product to date and also considering the past niggling he's had with the DEA...well, i'd just like to introduce you to some prime real estate i got up on the north pole (hey, it's sunny this time of year and santa lives right next door).
it is MOST DEFINITELY in milos' extremely best interest to talk down pro bber gear usage at this time and i would venture to say it's not a coincidence that he actually is taking the party supplement industry line that less is more.
do you see milos posting on the steroid board?
have you EVER SEEN MILOS POSTING ON THE STEROID BOARD??? ;)
i don't know who gh15 is and i don't know how much he knows but you can bet your first born that he's much more likely to give you an honest answer on this message board on gear usage than milos will.
hell, adonis is much more likely to give you an honest answer on gear usage.
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RE: The Coke comment above. I watched Tom Platz slug a Pepsi down right before a killer arm workout in the 80's. He also said nutrition is way overblown. Tom - "I can grow on spaghetti". ;)
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why do people keep saying that bbers from the 60s - 80s didn't go hog wild with their diets?
All I meant by that statement is that those guys did not get scientific with their diets. There wasn't the in depth detail and planning that some of the guys go into now. They just ate when bulking and ate a little less when dieting.
Speaking of guys from the 70's and their diets, did anyone ever read what Frank Zane supposedly ate? I'm not a Zane fan, but hey, he did win a few shows, but his dieting methods prove that a lot of guys back then just did whatever they wanted to get by. In his book, he states that when preparing for a show, he would always drink only lite-beer...that makes me laugh.
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All I meant by that statement is that those guys did not get scientific with their diets. There wasn't the in depth detail and planning that some of the guys go into now. They just ate when bulking and ate a little less when dieting.
Speaking of guys from the 70's and their diets, did anyone ever read what Frank Zane supposedly ate? I'm not a Zane fan, but hey, he did win a few shows, but his dieting methods prove that a lot of guys back then just did whatever they wanted to get by. In his book, he states that when preparing for a show, he would always drink only lite-beer...that makes me laugh.
Zane built a impressive build on a light frame. Nothing to sneeze at, but I think it a travesty Fox played 3rd string to a bunch of these underwear models. Ah.. fassion and politics (mainly MAGAZINE PROFFITS - Now THAT is a 10pg long PMS Bitch a thon in itself!)
I BETTER NOT go there, Joe'll put a hit on me ;D.
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RE: The Coke comment above. I watched Tom Platz slug a Pepsi down right before a killer arm workout in the 80's. He also said nutrition is way overblown. Tom - "I can grow on spaghetti". ;)
haha...that sounds like tom.
tom was a very honest man when it came to his seminars. they were off the hook.
actually, i will always remember an answer he gave to a q at one of his seminars and i think it's very relevant with regard to this particular thread.
question: "how much gear do you take tom?" (yes, i know, real original that one).
answer: "i cut back a little on the dosage when my eyes start going yellow." ;D
now, the reason why the question is relevant is because, as i said, tom was very honest when it came to his seminars. when it came to a more public audience his public relations antenna was on full alert, just like milos.
i remember lmao when i read a q and a with tom in one of the mags post retirement about his pro career drug usage.
he said that he always used very little (he actually said something like 1 tab of dball a day) with some straight from the rectum explanation about how he didn't need much because he had a lot of 'natural sarcoplasm' in his muscles. ::)
have we got any current pics of tom platz? just so we can see how much 'natural sarcoplasm' he currently has in his muscles. ;D
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All I meant by that statement is that those guys did not get scientific with their diets. There wasn't the in depth detail and planning that some of the guys go into now. They just ate when bulking and ate a little less when dieting.
Speaking of guys from the 70's and their diets, did anyone ever read what Frank Zane supposedly ate? I'm not a Zane fan, but hey, he did win a few shows, but his dieting methods prove that a lot of guys back then just did whatever they wanted to get by. In his book, he states that when preparing for a show, he would always drink only lite-beer...that makes me laugh.
yes, you're cool aj. just making a fairly broad point.
i might disagree with you somewhat on this point though.
i am of the opinion that the distended gut has absolutely nothing to do with bulking diets or what foods they eat and EVERYTHING to do with drugs, namely gh and insulin in long term, regular and large dosage.
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zane was the chemist. chemists know that food is food and drugs are drugs and NEVER will they have ANY correlation EXCEPT when it comes time when somebody wants to sell something.
at which point everything is fair game, hey milos?
all's fair in love and war...and profit. ;)
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haha...that sounds like tom.
tom was a very honest man when it came to his seminars. they were off the hook.
actually, i will always remember an answer he gave to a q at one of his seminars and i think it's very relevant with regard to this particular thread.
question: "how much gear do you take tom?" (yes, i know, real original that one).
answer: "i cut back a little on the dosage when my eyes start going yellow." ;D
now, the reason why the question is relevant is because, as i said, tom was very honest when it came to his seminars. when it came to a more public audience his public relations antenna was on full alert, just like milos.
i remember lmao when i read a q and a with tom in one of the mags post retirement about his pro career drug usage.
he said that he always used very little (he actually said something like 1 tab of dball a day) with some straight from the rectum explanation about how he didn't need much because he had a lot of 'natural sarcoplasm' in his muscles. ::)
have we got any current pics of tom platz? just so we can see how much 'natural sarcoplasm' he currently has in his muscles. ;D
Yellow Eyes has a lot to it.. ;)
FaCT is most BIG GUYS, at some time, RUN UP DOSE TILL THEY FEEL SICK, then Back down.
I asked a 300+ lber last night what he uses and has and his Buddies. Just for the hell of it. ;D
He aint no pro, but he'd twist off the neck of 95%+ of any men you see in any gym.
2cc (500mg) of long acting Test Ed, + 600deca wk up to 100mg of Dbol a day (if feels ok, may have to back off).
Said a buddie goes to 200 dbo ed on ocasion.
There is nothing on this planet stoping a big guy from injecting 50cc of steroid in a day. Nothing.
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Yellow Eyes has a lot to it.. ;)
FaCT is most BIG GUYS, at some time, RUN UP DOSE TILL THEY FEEL SICK, then Back down.
I asked a 300+ lber last night what he uses and has and his Buddies. Just for the hell of it. ;D
He aint no pro, but he'd twist off the neck of 95%+ of any men you see in any gym.
2cc (500mg) of long acting Test Ed, + 600deca wk up to 100mg of Dbol a day (if feels ok, may have to back off).
Said a buddie goes to 200 dbo ed on ocasion.
There is nothing on this planet stoping a big guy from injecting 50cc of steroid in a day. Nothing.
yes, yellow eyes have much significance, but generally people don't get jaundice on 1 dball tab a day, 'natural sarcoplasm' aside.
someone tell me why the fuck people take long acting test every day? do they like living like pin cushions or something?
this guy could take the full 3.5gs in one sitting once per week if it's long acting, surely?
not trying to be an ass or argue the point with a 300lb gorrilla, i'd just love to see the reasoning behind this. it seems too many do it for it to be without credence.
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Yellow Eyes has a lot to it.. ;)
FaCT is most BIG GUYS, at some time, RUN UP DOSE TILL THEY FEEL SICK, then Back down.
I asked a 300+ lber last night what he uses and has and his Buddies. Just for the hell of it. ;D
He aint no pro, but he'd twist off the neck of 95%+ of any men you see in any gym.
2cc (500mg) of long acting Test Ed, + 600deca wk up to 100mg of Dbol a day (if feels ok, may have to back off).
Said a buddie goes to 200 dbo ed on ocasion.
There is nothing on this planet stoping a big guy from injecting 50cc of steroid in a day. Nothing.
bullshit.
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yes, yellow eyes have much significance, but generally people don't get jaundice on 1 dball tab a day, 'natural sarcoplasm' aside.
someone tell me why the fuck people take long acting test every day? do they like living like pin cushions or something?
this guy could take the full 3.5gs in one sitting once per week if it's long acting, surely?
not trying to be an ass or argue the point with a 300lb gorrilla, i'd just love to see the reasoning behind this. it seems too many do it for it to be without credence.
Dude he goes up to 4 and 5cc shots sometimes. Look at the size of the inj site side hip.
At under 200lbs I can put 4-5cc there. Remember - he keeps shooting this load for close to a month, them backs off. Ive also eaten 10anabols in a day. Easy for a 300lber to double that.
SQUAD - That aint BS. Dude you are way big enough to soak up that much. Will it have benefit? Doubtfull.
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Dude he goes up to 4 and 5cc shots sometimes. Look at the size of the inj site side hip.
At under 200lbs I can put 4-5cc there. Remember - he keeps shooting this load for close to a month, them backs off. Ive also eaten 10anabols in a day. Easy for a 300lber to double that.
SQUAD - That aint BS. Dude you are way big enough to soak up that much. Will it have benefit? Doubtfull.
what's to stop this guy mixing up the sites ie delt heads (hell, he could use all 3 on each limb), thighs, calves, glutes, etc. if he pins once per week he'd have more time to recover between shots? hell, you can get 10cc syringes and, with a 19 to pull it and a 23 to push it (some even use a 25), why not?
i'm not an expert on the subject by any means, but i just don't understand the ed intramuscular injections of an oil based long acting test.
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what's to stop this guy mixing up the sites ie delt heads (hell, he could use all 3 on each limb), thighs, calves, glutes, etc. if he pins once per week he'd have more time to recover between shots? hell, you can get 10cc syringes and, with a 19 to pull it and a 23 to push it (some even use a 25), why not?
i'm not an expert on the subject by any means, but i just don't understand the ed intramuscular injections of an oil based long acting test.
You can get giant 20cc and bigger hypos. 6cc ought to do nicely for a mass monster. Ive used them.
You'd never push that much oil thru a 25ga. not even warm. 3cc is tough w/ a 25ga.
one dude here was using 1 1/2'' 18ga to inject! dont need that, but a 21-23 would be fine.
As far as ed on long act, for you or me - No. But we aint 300lbs. The idea is to build up a huge front end load.
I'd use eod sus at 500-750 for a few then switch to enanthate. Borrenson covered these heavy androgen loads and
lots cried BULL SHIT. Well, They Work! Try and see. You dont need go as far as GH15 but if you'd been on for a decade and were 320lbs bulked, you may have to.
The idea those biggest guys use just 1 or even 2 10cc vials a week is a total F'ing joke.
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why do people keep saying that bbers from the 60s - 80s didn't go hog wild with their diets?
where do you think the term 'bulking up' came from?
these guys ate like pigs in the off season.
bbers are larger today for the same reason linemen are all weighing over 300lbs today as opposed to 230-250 in the 60s and 70s and linemen actually had a higher body fat percentage and ate more back then.
much much heavier anabolics use, gh, insulin and igf1 are the big reasons.
i really can't understand why some of you guys can't see right through milos' bullshit.
i can only ask the naive and deluded 2 simple questions:
1. DO YOU REALLY THINK THAT MILOS SARCEV IS GOING TO TELL YOU THAT CURRENT PRO BBERS, OF WHICH HE PERSONALLY TRAINS SEVERAL, ARE TAKING MASSIVE DOSAGES OF GEAR ???
2. ON THE EVE OF MARKETING ONE OF HIS MOST HYPED SUPPLEMENTS WOULD HE ACTUALLY WANT PEOPLE TO KNOW THAT THE PRODUCT HAD ABOUT AS MUCH TO DO WITH CREATING AN ANABOLIC ENVIRONMENT AS A CAN OF COLA?
actually, at 25grams of high gi carbs a serve vs the coke's 60 grams of high gi carbs per serve, the coke is probably more anabolic if we are attempting to induce a natural insulin spike, which is exactly where milos is going with this bullshit...and they call this man the 'mind'. ::)
he probably got that moniker from one of you fuck wits.
this lifter is a smart dude,,many here knows what it takes,,good to see
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this lifter is a smart dude,,many here knows what it takes,,good to see
If you think taking massive amounts of gear is what it takes....you either delusional or high or both.
Even with the amount of gear you claimed to have taken, your never cracked the top 15 in the Olympia and only barley made the cut at few Grand Prix's and got smoked at the 2000 NOC, and you have good genetics!
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If you think taking massive amounts of gear is what it takes....you either delusional or high or both.
Even with the amount of gear you claimed to have taken, your never cracked the top 15 in the Olympia and only barley made the cut at few Grand Prix's and got smoked at the 2000 NOC, and you have good genetics!
What are you talking about? gh15 got 12th in the 1996 Olympia.
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What are you talking about? gh15 got 12th in the 1996 Olympia.
Must have missed that one..........reguardless!
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Dude he goes up to 4 and 5cc shots sometimes. Look at the size of the inj site side hip.
At under 200lbs I can put 4-5cc there. Remember - he keeps shooting this load for close to a month, them backs off. Ive also eaten 10anabols in a day. Easy for a 300lber to double that.
SQUAD - That aint BS. Dude you are way big enough to soak up that much. Will it have benefit? Doubtfull.
come on dude, 1000mg. of test every day?
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Wait......wasn't there something like 13-14 competitors in that show??
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If you think taking massive amounts of gear is what it takes....you either delusional or high or both.
Even with the amount of gear you claimed to have taken, your never cracked the top 15 in the Olympia and only barley made the cut at few Grand Prix's and got smoked at the 2000 NOC, and you have good genetics!
and you achieved a lot more...you got trophies sitting shining gold,,im just a wanna be what do i know,,right? good,,happy we established that
stay thick! ;)
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come on dude, 1000mg. of test every day?
If someone took that much, sleep would be damn near out of the question and the headaches, nosebleeds (high BP) would be off the hook...........he's full of shit!
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If someone took that much, sleep would be damn near out of the question and the headaches, nosebleeds (high BP) would be off the hook...........he's full of shit!
trab is about the most knowledgeable on 'roids on this board... I believe him. Read his posts on the 'roids forum
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If someone took that much, sleep would be damn near out of the question and the headaches, nosebleeds (high BP) would be off the hook...........he's full of shit!
dude i had problems sleeping on 750 mg. of QV Enanthate a week a few years ago, 1000mg. a day? hahahahaha, yeah right.
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and you achieved a lot more...you got trophies sitting shining gold,,im just a wanna be what do i know,,right? good,,happy we established that
stay thick! ;)
No, never had the real desire to become a pro, yes, I have (had) trophies, big deal......no, your not a wanna be, just someone who thought you had to take a ton of shit to win, when in fact you probably would have done better with less!
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dude i had problems sleeping on 750 mg. of QV Enanthate a week a few years ago, 1000mg. a day? hahahahaha, yeah right.
Exactly, I remember about 4-5 years ago when I was getting ready for the Master Nationals, for two weeks I took my test to 1200mgs and was misrable as hell, what a mistake that was.........LOL.."1000mgs PER DAY" shit, if i did that I might as well just sign my death warrent while sticking the needle in my ass!
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Exactly, I remember about 4-5 years ago when I was getting ready for the Master Nationals, for two weeks I took my test to 1200mgs and was misrable as hell, what a mistake that was.........LOL.."1000mgs PER DAY" shit, if i did that I might as well just sign my death warrent while sticking the needle in my ass!
yep, the way i look at it is that you're no more than a junkie on that much shit, a slave to your addiction.
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yep, the way i look at it is that you're no more than a junkie on that much shit, a slave to your addiction.
Uh, i'd say that's already the case at most of those "lower levels" as well. ;)
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Uh, i'd say that's already the case at most of those "lower levels" as well. ;)
pretty crazy, a little extra bump here and there is nice but these guys go apeshit with the drugs.
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I'm not aginst gear by a long shot especially when it comes to competing, but I wouldn't want to take so much to where it would ruin my symmetry, and thats exactly what has happend in bodybuilding....sad!
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I'm not aginst gear by a long shot especially when it comes to competing, but I wouldn't want to take so much to where it would ruin my symmetry, and thats exactly what has happend in bodybuilding....sad!
Yep, I agree. I think it's quite possible that gh15 overdid it... If he had been a bit more moderate on his usage he may have made a really good Mr O
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and you achieved a lot more...you got trophies sitting shining gold,,im just a wanna be what do i know,,right? good,,happy we established that
stay thick! ;)
You cant stay on that (1000T) for long. Sleep? Valium, narcotics... Guys some these guys are out there.
Were talking BIG blast dose. Many big boys eat 10-20dbol a day for a fairlly long time, get over it. Dont try it.
Its bad for you.
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trab is about the most knowledgeable on 'roids on this board... I believe him. Read his posts on the 'roids forum
Ive simply seen virtualy limitless REAL human pharma AAS OTC. The shits a interest of mine. Its fassinating.
Want to know what a mass monster takes? ASK HIM! Pros wont tell you of course, but you can get a good idea what they take by compare to 220lb - 320lb lifters.
I'm tiny and can load up about 25oo wk before I start to feel not good. Big guys can take LOTS MORE!
10-12K wk blasts are commonplace.
Higher Dose dont allways do more. There's a point it counterproductive, various products effect differ in each guy.
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If someone took that much, sleep would be damn near out of the question and the headaches, nosebleeds (high BP) would be off the hook...........he's full of shit!
Nope, taking large dosages of gear actually makes you very very tired generally. Take a look at some pros who are in all out off-season mode; they look very tired, move slowly and look very lethargic. Why do you think many of them nap all day long? Add in large dosages of GH and you need ephedrine just to get out of bed.
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Nope, taking large dosages of gear actually makes you very very tired generally. Take a look at some pros who are in all out off-season mode; they look very tired, move slowly and look very lethargic. Why do you think many of them nap all day long? Add in large dosages of GH and you need ephedrine just to get out of bed.
Take Flex Wheeler for example he said in an interview he could sleep 16 hours a day.Bullshit on his behalf i do not know.
When i was on refer to my early posts where my cycle could have killed a horse i lifted nothing over 400 but i did many reps especially on squats and after 2 and half hours of balls to the wall training i was sleeping 14 to 16 hours aday though i did use Xanax heavily.
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Nope, taking large dosages of gear actually makes you very very tired generally. Take a look at some pros who are in all out off-season mode; they look very tired, move slowly and look very lethargic. Why do you think many of them nap all day long? Add in large dosages of GH and you need ephedrine just to get out of bed.
Dude, I speak from experiance, like I said, I was up to 1200mgs of test for a couple of weeks and it severly disrupted my sleep and sleep patterns not to mention sweating like a pig in the middle of the night. Excessive gear not only raises body temp, it also disrupts sleep.
I've seen pros all the time in the offseason and yeah, they do move slow, mainly because their 30-40lbs overweight, constantly shoving carbs down they're throat, ephedrine throught the day then the crash comes, trust me, they are not sleeping because of large doses of gear. And if I had to guess, they take something to sleep as well!
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Dude, I speak from experiance, like I said, I was up to 1200mgs of test for a couple of weeks and it severly disrupted my sleep and sleep patterns not to mention sweating like a pig in the middle of the night. Excessive gear not only raises body temp, it also disrupts sleep.
I've seen pros all the time in the offseason and yeah, they do move slow, mainly because their 30-40lbs overweight, constantly shoving carbs down they're throat, ephedrine throught the day then the crash comes, trust me, they are not sleeping because of large doses of gear. And if I had to guess, they take something to sleep as well!
Initially you can have insomnia when you start a heavy cycle but from what I've seen it usually goes the other way in a few weeks time. Depends a bit on which steroids you are taking as well. Anadrol for example make most very lethargic and tired. Tren can cause insomnia. And so on.
I bet if you had continued on that test dosage for a few more weeks you would've started sleeping more.
gh15 was right when he said, some time ago, that stacking a lot of steroids makes you tired. It's true generally.
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I surprised I haven't been flamed yet. ::) I think I'd feel like shit if I used any more. I tried around 2g's a week once and I was a mess. Constant headaches with a mild "test fever". For me less is definetly more.
See , genetics mean also how u respond to gear ...and your body tollerance capability...
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Initially you can have insomnia when you start a heavy cycle but from what I've seen it usually goes the other way in a few weeks time. Depends a bit on which steroids you are taking as well. Anadrol for example make most very lethargic and tired. Tren can cause insomnia. And so on.
I bet if you had continued on that test dosage for a few more weeks you would've started sleeping more.
gh15 was right when he said, some time ago, that stacking a lot of steroids makes you tired. It's true generally.
another very smart getbigger,,listen to his words because this fella is right on the money!
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What a shock to think that overloading the system with large quantities of drugs combined with horse-sized food portions is unnatural & causes problems LOL
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Take Flex Wheeler for example he said in an interview he could sleep 16 hours a day.Bullshit on his behalf i do not know.
When i was on refer to my early posts where my cycle could have killed a horse i lifted nothing over 400 but i did many reps especially on squats and after 2 and half hours of balls to the wall training i was sleeping 14 to 16 hours aday though i did use Xanax heavily.
bullshit.