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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Mussolini on July 09, 2007, 02:36:55 PM
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This is a little off topic but I was wondering what response Mr Dugdale gives his fellow Christians at church if they asked him "how did you get that big" or "did you ever take steroids".
I know he would never lie, especially not to a fellow christian. ::)
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when did taking juice become a sin?
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when did taking juice become a sin?
look up Vanity, genius.
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when did taking juice become a sin?
i love hot dumb chics ;D
wanna cyber?
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look up Vanity, genius.
good point.... i failed religion class....
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good point.... i failed religion class....
it's ok.
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Im not too sure but is breaking a law set by the government, in this case the USA government, a sin? Arent steroids illegal in the USA?
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Im not too sure but is breaking a law set by the government, in this case the USA government, a sin? Arent steroids illegal in the USA?
They are only illegal in Texas.
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Im not too sure but is breaking a law set by the government, in this case the USA government, a sin? Arent steroids illegal in the USA?
yes but most god worshipers are hypocrites so it's no prop.
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Not an expert but I'm pretty sure the Bible says to obey man's laws while on earth as well as God's laws (or something to that effect).
I'm sure Jesus injected some Sustanon and killed a few D-Bol tabs just before he walked on water, though...... ::)
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They are only illegal in Texas.
hahahaha! she's stop it.... you're gonna have her driving to texas ;D
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I'm sure somewhere while coked out and drunk, jebus came into's Dugdale's vision and told him that it was a okay!
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This is an easy one, taking AAS is no problem for a christian, since the more muscle you carry the BETTER human being you are. For example if Cutler goes into a killing frenzy, he will still go to heaven, because of his chest to back thickness...
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Not an expert but I'm pretty sure the Bible says to obey man's laws while on earth as well as God's laws (or something to that effect).
I'm sure Jesus injected some Sustanon and killed a few D-Bol tabs just before he walked on water, though...... ::)
Dude that's fucked up... Your so wrong... He never tested positive for anything, he was using "the clear", nuttin except THG, the rest was all genetics. ::) ;D
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They are only illegal in Texas.
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look up Vanity, genius.
I guess all bodybuilders are going straight to hell then. See you there.
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I love the response that vanity is what makes bodybuilding/taking steroids a sin. Vanity can encompass everything from wearing nice clothes to getting braces or wearing makeup. Many pro's get their gear legally and if that is the case then what is the problem? By the way everyone sins and being a Christian does not make you perfect..far from it.
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Many pro's get their gear legally and if that is the case then what is the problem?
not in the USofA. it is illegal for doctors to prescribe anabolic steroids for cosmetic or performance enhancement purposes. It is illegal for doctors to prescribe the doses required by a pro bodybuilder. it is illegal for a person to have scripts from many doctors to get the doses required by a bodybuilder. it is illegal for a person to import steroids from other countries, whether they have a script from a doctor or not.
there is no way for someone in the US to take the amount of drugs required to be a pro without breaking the 1991 Anabolic Steroid Control Act.
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This is a little off topic but I was wondering what response Mr Dugdale gives his fellow Christians at church if they asked him "how did you get that big" or "did you ever take steroids".
I know he would never lie, especially not to a fellow christian. ::)
a better question is why the fuck do you care? let someone else live the life they want to live. why would someone else's believes bother you so much?
mans law and gods law are two different things.. if you drive 1mph over the speed limit your breaking the law.. if you change lanes without using your turning signal your breaking the law. but does that make you evil?
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ill ask mark on saturday at the southern states.
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ill ask mark on saturday at the southern states.
sure you will. ::)
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not in the USofA. it is illegal for doctors to prescribe anabolic steroids for cosmetic or performance enhancement purposes. It is illegal for doctors to prescribe the doses required by a pro bodybuilder. it is illegal for a person to have scripts from many doctors to get the doses required by a bodybuilder. it is illegal for a person to import steroids from other countries, whether they have a script from a doctor or not.
there is no way for someone in the US to take the amount of drugs required to be a pro without breaking the 1991 Anabolic Steroid Control Act.
Tim, so let me see if I'm following you here professor. If what you say is true, then all IFBB pros, by way of definition, are criminals since they only use steroids for aesthetic & performance enhancement reasons, correct? So would that mean that the entire IFBB is a federation purely existent for the harboring of criminals?
Not good Tim, not good..
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whoop de fucking do. The guy does roids so what? Does that automatically mean everything else he believes in or practices should go out the window? Everybody is vain to some degree...you guys are a bunch of nitpicking old crows. So fucking what if he does roids? Mark is a good guy and he's been succesful in everything he's done.
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if vanity is a sin.. then no one can tan, style their hair, get a manicure, get braces for their teeth, ect ect.. the list will go on and on.. if it was not steroids that mark "sinned" with he would sin by some other means of "vanity".. by the way.. what a useless topic.. ::)
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a better question is why the fuck do you care? let someone else live the life they want to live. why would someone else's believes bother you so much?
Possibly because Mark's wife has a holier-than-thou attitude and judges everyone else for what they do? People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. Nobody would have a problem with Mark's steroid use if not for the fact that he and his wife are both so openly (and selectively) Christian.
Seriously, everybody that worries about their looks is vain and committing a sin but on the big scale of things it is not high at all.
A sin is a sin. Technically, vanity is as bad as murder.
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they're just a bunch of hypocrites. are you expecting goodness, honesty and integrity?.
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it's ok. Hell awaits
Fixed
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if vanity is a sin.. then no one can tan, style their hair, get a manicure, get braces for their teeth, ect ect.. the list will go on and on.. if it was not steroids that mark "sinned" with he would sin by some other means of "vanity".. by the way.. what a useless topic.. ::)
"Vanity"........? LMAO!!!
Please explain to me what part of Bodybuilding is NOT a vain endeavor?
For these FOOLS on here that want to bring GOD into the equation, let me ask you this:
God's law as described in the BIBLE (The King James Version...but that's the translation that many MORONS base their lives on....and their FAKE ministries on...) CONDEMS the VANITY that is rampant in the I.F.B.B. Figure and Bodybuilding divisions. IF you are clinging to the BIBLE to try and pass off WHAT you do or WHY you do it to the masses, please look at your life.
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let's keep GOD out of bodybuilding
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All Pro Bodybuilders suffer from low natural testosterone levels; therefore, they all need HRT and are legally able to get prescriptions for their medical ailment. If Jesus were here, he would have healed them, but he's not, so the doctors shall heal them all.
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I will play devil's advocate here....
If I remember right, the bible says that it is not our job to judge other humans sins. It's gods job to judge so you are committing a sin by judging Mark. If he chooses God will punish him when the time comes.
Also, the bible also say that one should treat the body like a temple? If that is true then the US government has made an unjust law by banning anabolics. Therefore, it is not a sin to break that law.
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let's keep GOD out of bodybuilding
LOL! You're kidding right? If you believe in an omnipotent god then you already know that you can't keep god out of anything.
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Also, the bible also say that one should treat the body like a temple? If that is true then the US government has made an unjust law by banning anabolics. Therefore, it is not a sin to break that law.
vanity = treat body like temple.... guess I'll be getting a manicure first thing in the morning then... and not going to hell for it...
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If you believe in an omnipotent god then you already know that you can't keep god out of anything.
...and if i DONT?
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I guess all bodybuilders are going straight to hell then. See you there.
NOOOOOO im testing the limits of my body and seeing how HARDCORE i can truely become!!! ::)
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look up Vanity, genius.
How about making a living and providing for his family? Do you think he's doing it for his health?
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As long as religious people would like to crucify people for consistently committing one sin, say homosexuality or abortion, then we should be able to crucify them for their sins of child molestation (speaking of the huge amount of Catholic priests and the vast conspiracy to protect them) or steroid abuse.
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If what you say is true, then all IFBB pros, by way of definition, are criminals since they only use steroids for aesthetic & performance enhancement reasons, correct?
no just the ones who live in the US.
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let's keep GOD fairy tales out of bodybuilding humanity.
Agreed.
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...and if i DONT?
Then your statement was pointless because Mark Dugdale does and that is the focus of this thread.
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...and if i DONT?
then Lucifer will make you believe when you two meet up
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Then your statement was pointless because Mark Dugdale does and that is the focus of this thread.
where did your posts go??
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where did your posts go??
some Taliban censor :-\ who doesn't yet relize he's a Taliban censor...that's called ignorant.
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sure you will. ::)
and why wont i? wtf? i want to know what he says about this.
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look up Vanity, genius.
So is dressing up to go to church considered VANITY?...keep in mind GOD sent everyone here NAKED.
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So is dressing up to go to church considered VANITY?...keep in mind GOD sent everyone here NAKED.
so funny to see everybody dressing up for church...like they're closing on another property deal. LOL
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This is a little off topic but I was wondering what response Mr Dugdale gives his fellow Christians at church if they asked him "how did you get that big" or "did you ever take steroids".
I know he would never lie, especially not to a fellow christian. ::)
Fellow Christian? Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha...After Jim and Tammy Faye Baker, Pat Robinson, Ted Haggard etc etc etc...the church is the LAST PLACE where any Christians exist. But for the sake of answering your question...since everyone is guilty of SIN I will answer as JESUS would say...LET HE WHO IS WITHOUT SIN CAST THE FIRST STONE. In short, unless you are SIN FREE, you are not in a place to ask or condemn anyone else for what they do, lest that person then turn and condemn you for what you are doing.
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As far as i can see Mark is not committing any sin by taking roids. Vanity doesnt fly. I go to church every sunday and have read the bible many times and have never had sex, or drank, or taken any drugs(coke,weed,etc). But i have done a couple cycles. I dont consider them a sin. It is not a sin to want to improve yourself. It is a sin to want to make someone feel bad because they dont look as good as you, that is vanity. Taking roids would be a sin if you are doing it for the wrong reasons
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Dude i am a mormon
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taking roids would be a sin if it were illegal.
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That just how stupid you are, mormons dont have multiple wives!! If the do they get excommunicated and are banned from the church forever. Rommel is my middle name. and erwin rommel was not a nazi
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To rommel he was serving germany and his family. AS much as i like discussing rommel i think that we are getting off topic.
As for the virgin thing i promised to only have sex when i am married, and i am a little too young to be married
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To rommel he was serving germany and his family. AS much as i like discussing rommel i think that we are getting off topic.
As for the virgin thing i promised to only have sex when i am married, and i am a little too young to be married
Hahaa, waiting until you marry is so dumb.
the first girl i had was totally bad in bed, if i had married her i'd have shot myself.
You have to have some experience before you marry. otherwise you are going to hell straight. And i think that going through hell while you are alive is even worse than hell after you die.
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LOL
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believe me, your life will be better if you try it out a bit.
You wouldn't buy a car without seeing the engine and having a ride around the block, would you?
Marrying as a virgin is like buying a car without testing it, the only problem is you can give the car back, but not the wife. :-X :-X
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You sound just like one of my buddies, he used the exact same example. But you dont get married for the sole reason of having sex. but you do buy a car to drive it. So the example doesnt work. As much as i appreciate the advice. Can we get back too bodybuilding
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As far as i can see Mark is not committing any sin by taking roids. Vanity doesnt fly. I go to church every sunday and have read the bible many times and have never had sex, or drank, or taken any drugs(coke,weed,etc). But i have done a couple cycles. I dont consider them a sin. It is not a sin to want to improve yourself. It is a sin to want to make someone feel bad because they dont look as good as you, that is vanity. Taking roids would be a sin if you are doing it for the wrong reasons
Dude... did you mean this: have never had sex, or drank, or taken any drugs(coke,weed,etc).???
???NEVER HAD SEX????
The last thing you should be thinking about is a cycle, LOL!!!
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You sound just like one of my buddies, he used the exact same example. But you dont get married for the sole reason of having sex. but you do buy a car to drive it. So the example doesnt work. As much as i appreciate the advice. Can we get back too bodybuilding
You're right, you don't get married solely for the sex.
But by this answer i see you have ZERO knowledge about relationships. Sex is a part of the relationship and without good sex, a relationship does not work, even if both partners don't think sex is that important.
Sex is part of the package, it's in it just like laughing together, talking together, walking the dog and being able to have a good clean fight. ;D ;D
If one doesn't work, the whole building will collapse.
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Bro i know about relationships, but as i said sex has never been apart of it. Have you ever heard of anyone getting divorced because the sex was bad(aside from porn stars). As you can tell how would i know if the sex was bad?
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Bro i know about relationships, but as i said sex has never been apart of it. Have you ever heard of anyone getting divorced because the sex was bad(aside from porn stars). As you can tell how would i know if the sex was bad?
Sure people are getting divorced because the sex is bad!!!
Nearly all people are getting divorced because the sex is bad. If the sex is good, you don't need to cheat on your partner, because you're satisfied.
And, even if i think you're desperate, trust me, you'll notice bad sex when you come across it, it's like milk gone bad. Even if you never drank milk in your life, if you drink milk that's gone bad you'll notice it.
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Bro i know about relationships, but as i said sex has never been apart of it. Have you ever heard of anyone getting divorced because the sex was bad(aside from porn stars). As you can tell how would i know if the sex was bad?
Don't feed the idiots dude, haven't you noticed every time you post he posts? Just leave the morons be.
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Thanks
I know thousands of people that didint have sex before they got married, and were married until one or the other died. If they came do it so can I.
LEt me ask you did you get better the more sex you had?? It will be the same as me only after i get married
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Thanks
I know thousands of people that didint have sex before they got married, and were married until one or the other died. If they came do it so can I.
LEt me ask you did you get better the more sex you had?? It will be the same as me only after i get married
monster admitting to future cheating on your wife...
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As far as i can see Mark is not committing any sin by taking roids. Vanity doesnt fly. I go to church every sunday and have read the bible many times and have never had sex, or drank, or taken any drugs(coke,weed,etc). But i have done a couple cycles. I dont consider them a sin. It is not a sin to want to improve yourself. It is a sin to want to make someone feel bad because they dont look as good as you, that is vanity. Taking roids would be a sin if you are doing it for the wrong reasons
I wouldn't want to live your life. My life would be empty without beer and boning. But thats just me
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God intended for us to consume lots of drugs to win plastic trophies and pose in thongs...hahah He's looking down and is proud, real proud.
My favorite is when Coleman thanks God and says how, "God has a plan for everyone." haah, How fucking dumb is that. Yes, the plan was for you to take 6iu's day on top of enormous amounts of drugs... which in his case, will shorten his life, all to make an "impact" on the world as Mr. Olympia...haha
A little secret guy, nobody gives a shit about Mr. Olympia other than people on this board, and even then, Coleman doesn't inspire me one bit. It's just amusing to see how big someone can get, but come on, write a fucking book or screenplay to move people. Someone being jacked has never inspired me in any which way at all. I'm inspired by people with talent and have some creative ability, but post here because it's also amusing and make me laugh my ass off many times, oh and I lift.
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Possibly because Mark's wife has a holier-than-thou attitude and judges everyone else for what they do? People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. Nobody would have a problem with Mark's steroid use if not for the fact that he and his wife are both so openly (and selectively) Christian.
A sin is a sin. Technically, vanity is as bad as murder.
Hmm. There are two distinct types of sins, Matt, that I know of: mortal and venial, both with varying levels of transgression. I'll leave which and how much Mr. Dugdale's sins extend, to you. :)
/yeah, you could go on forever...
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I love these outward religious douchebags. Complete contradicting their own "beliefs". Yes Mark, God intended for us to consume lots of drugs to win plastic trophies and pose in thongs...hahah He's looking down and is proud, real proud.
My favorite is when Coleman thanks God and says how, "God has a plan for everyone." haah, How fucking dumb is that. Yes, the plan was for you to take 6iu's day on top of enormous amounts of drugs... which in his case, will shorten his life, all to make an "impact" on the world as Mr. Olympia...haha
A little secret guy, nobody gives a shit about Mr. Olympia other than people on this board, and even then, Coleman doesn't inspire me one bit. It's just amusing to see how big someone can get, but come on, write a fucking book or screenplay to move people. Someone being jacked has never inspired me in any which way at all. I'm inspired by people with talent and have some creative ability, but post here because it's also amusing and make me laugh my ass off many times, oh and I lift.
Good post. Religion is way overrated.
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This is a little off topic but I was wondering what response Mr Dugdale gives his fellow Christians at church if they asked him "how did you get that big" or "did you ever take steroids".
I know he would never lie, especially not to a fellow christian. ::)
Well, I can tell you from experience that one of the Mods. over at Muscle Mayhem where he and his wife both post will ban you from their site if you bring this very topic up--and then his wife will send you a PM in which she claims that God will strike you down for having the audacity to question them. I kid you not.
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Using unnatural substances to alter god's design is evil sorcery.
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Using unnatural substances to alter god's design is evil sorcery.
We should try burning him at the stake, and if God saves him then he's innocent.
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Im not too sure but is breaking a law set by the government, in this case the USA government, a sin? Arent steroids illegal in the USA?
Is not killing a sin in the bible,yet we do it in the name of WAR the Koran and in Hindu says its wrong...so when did government become God's Law.....just another POV...if i leave the USA and go where it is legal am i still a sinner.....hmmmmmmmmmmm. ???
religion and state Government rules contridicts itself everyday......at 18 you too young to drink yet you are old enough to brandish a weapon and kill another human. I say if the Lad is in the military then he should be able to drink. We tell our kids crime doesnt pay but the celeberties and public officials, Skooter libby get away with it right in your face and serves no time....for them public humiliation as stated by the president in punishment enough. I could go on but you see my point.
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Using unnatural substances to alter god's design is evil sorcery.
good point.
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Dugdale had a revelation where Jesus came down from heaven and worked on Dugdales Cylce. ;D
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Dugdale had a revelation where Jesus came down from heaven and worked on Dugdales Cylce. ;D
So you're saying Jesus hasn't enough knowledge on roids to create a top ten bodybuilder??
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Jesus just gave him some pointers Dugdale must have been so in awe he forgot what Jesus told him.
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Jesus just gave him some pointers Dugdale must have been so in awe he forgot what Jesus told him.
does Jesus also provide him the roids?
What prices does Jesus have? Can Jesus get original Parabolan??
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what do they do, say a prayer before they inject themselves? LOL
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does Jesus also provide him the roids?
What prices does Jesus have? Can Jesus get original Parabolan??
Yes he does Jesus works on his cycle supplys the drugs so Mark Dugdale so he can not be called a Hypocrite.Jesus does not charge.
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when did taking juice become a sin?
i assume that as a christian you are encouraged to follow god's laws as well as manmade laws..so i guess it's a sin when you break those manmade laws..at least..that's my humble opinion.
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whoop de fucking do. The guy does roids so what? Does that automatically mean everything else he believes in or practices should go out the window? Everybody is vain to some degree...you guys are a bunch of nitpicking old crows. So fucking what if he does roids? Mark is a good guy and he's been succesful in everything he's done.
I love posts like this..."Mark is a good guy"...so what if he follows the old adage do what i say not as i do. way to rationalize being a hypocrite.
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Yes he does Jesus works on his cycle supplys the drugs so Mark Dugdale so he can not be called a Hypocrite.Jesus does not charge.
WOW!
I bet you have to pray A LOT until Jesus pulls some parabolan out his pocket.
Well, but if he can turn water into wine and walk on water Jesus can surely turn some skinny insecure geek into a full blown bodybuilder. ::) ::)
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;D
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I think the sin that you guys are referring to is "sorcery". This is how the bible refers to drugs, and this is what steroids would be catagorized as, especially used for non medical reasons.
I don't know how religions can define that because medical science is always changing but who knows. I'll leave it up to the religious extremists to tell us what a sin is.
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dont forget adam and eve and adam and steve
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I think the sin that you guys are referring to is "sorcery". This is how the bible refers to drugs, and this is what steroids would be catagorized as, especially used for non medical reasons.
I don't know how religions can define that because medical science is always changing but who knows. I'll leave it up to the religious extremists to tell us what a sin is.
Try this guy. Never fucked, never drank but he thinks steroids are fine. Creepy.
So this means i sin when i reproduce myself or get high, but injecting steroids to look better at the beach and impress the girls is fine. ;D
As far as i can see Mark is not committing any sin by taking roids. Vanity doesnt fly. I go to church every sunday and have read the bible many times and have never had sex, or drank, or taken any drugs(coke,weed,etc). But i have done a couple cycles. I dont consider them a sin. It is not a sin to want to improve yourself. It is a sin to want to make someone feel bad because they dont look as good as you, that is vanity. Taking roids would be a sin if you are doing it for the wrong reasons
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As far as i can see Mark is not committing any sin by taking roids. Vanity doesnt fly. I go to church every sunday and have read the bible many times and have never had sex, or drank, or taken any drugs(coke,weed,etc). But i have done a couple cycles. I dont consider them a sin. It is not a sin to want to improve yourself. It is a sin to want to make someone feel bad because they dont look as good as you, that is vanity. Taking roids would be a sin if you are doing it for the wrong reasons
How old are you , you have never had sex but you take roids,do you masturbate.And whats wrong with weed if you take steroids.
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As for the virgin thing i promised to only have sex when i am married,
You know, to each his own, and quite a number of people are conservative and beleive what they want. Respect is due respect, thus, if he choses not to have sex before he is married, that is ok.
Nearly all people are getting divorced because the sex is bad.
This is from someone who isnt married, probably. Get real. People can have great sex, and get divorced in a year. People get divorced because they can't live with each other, cannot be together, have fun together anymore. Not because of sex. It may be a part of it, but most people I know got divorced because the love, interest, and the ability to be together and be happy left.
My favorite is when Coleman thanks God and says how, "God has a plan for everyone."
So Coleman is relegious. Good for him. For some, religion binds family, friends and serves a purpose. For others, who don't have any religion, they wander aimlessly, blaming everyone for their misfortunes. And vice versa.
Good post. Religion is way overrated.
Perhaps for you. There is a religion board here to debate all these topics.
But as for Genrommel, and Mark, they own views are pretty cool, even if you don't agree with them.
As for saying that anyone religious cant use steroids, come on already. Steroids were legal until 1980 in the USA. They are still legal in Mexico today, and a myriad of other countries. Steroids are just like any other prescription drug, take too much of it, it can harm you. So enough of the holier than though steroid bible stuff. It is getting old.
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AMen. Fantastic Post
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Owned! by Ron-meister!
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Steroids were legal until 1980 in the USA.
actually it was 1991 that anabolic steroids became controlled substances.
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Using unnatural substances to alter god's design is evil sorcery.
What about using unnatural substances to alter my thoughts? Actually shrooms are natural.
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Possibly because Mark's wife has a holier-than-thou attitude and judges everyone else for what they do? People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. Nobody would have a problem with Mark's steroid use if not for the fact that he and his wife are both so openly (and selectively) Christian.
A sin is a sin. Technically, vanity is as bad as murder.
Who could ever forget the "porn is the cause of impotence in many bb's" Steroids has nothing to do with it according to Dugdales wife ::)
To the people trying to justify the hypocrisy. If you need some little side angle to make something "work" for your argument you already lost it. Dugdale is a good guy, but a massive hypocrite. His wife says things that make hypocrites look like fair people. No offense to Dugdale or his wife.
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Let he who is without sin cast the first stone at Mark Dugdale!!
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To the people trying to justify the hypocrisy. If you need some little side angle to make something "work" for your argument you already lost it. Dugdale is a good guy, but a massive hypocrite
ISnt trying to improve yourself, that is not hypocrisy
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To the people trying to justify the hypocrisy. If you need some little side angle to make something "work" for your argument you already lost it. Dugdale is a good guy, but a massive hypocrite
ISnt trying to improve yourself, that is not hypocrisy
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Trying to improve yourself is not hypocrisy
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Trying to improve yourself is not hypocrisy
get a clue.
If using "illegal substances" to improve yourself....you are breaking the law, therefore hypocrisy.
If you are just lifting and eating clean to improve yourself....no hypocrisy.
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"Submit yourselves to every ordinance of man for the Lord’s sake: whether it be to the king, as supreme; Or unto governors, as unto them that are sent by him for the punishment of evildoers, and for the praise of them that do well."
(1 Pet. 2:13-14).
"Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God. Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation. For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? Do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same" (Rom. 13:1-3).
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'On the lowest level were the ‘imposters’ (2 Tim. 3:13) who played their tricks as do circus magicians today. Between these were the sorcerers, enchanters, and charmers who could cast spells and knew how to use herbs, potions, and drugs.'
- Harper's Bible Dictionary
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There you have it - an evil Sorcerer masquerading as a Christian.
Not that I take this too seriously as I am a unitarian Buddhist.
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This is a little off topic but I was wondering what response Mr Dugdale gives his fellow Christians at church if they asked him "how did you get that big" or "did you ever take steroids".
I know he would never lie, especially not to a fellow christian. ::)
Mark Dugdale isn't big, he's only 5'6".
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I believe in God, but not in organized religions.
I have a problem with people that don't stop talking about Jesus, Mohamed or Moses and point fingers at others.
There is too much HYPOCRACY!
It's usually the "pro-life" people that support the death penalty, the gun lobby and the war in Iraq, based on lies and at least 500,000 death people.
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What cracks me up is all the people who parade around saying they are in bodybuilding/fitness to "make a difference for God"...
I've got news for them: You can make a MUCH more profound difference in the life of someone being a BOY'S CLUB DIRECTOR than a bodybuilder...and it's not even CLOSE...and you don't have to BREAK THE LAW TO DO IT!
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to be honest with you,,most guys if had no responsability ,,no risk involved,,no jobs to lose,,no wives to report to,,no nosey neigbors to watch for,,if everything was pink and blue,,most guys would admit to the use and even to the abuse of hormones,,
there is just so much to lose when you got your name known to everyone,,when your income depend on this,,when you got families to support and normal life to live in addition to making a living of proffessional sports,,that guys simply scared of the concequences,,and rightfully
you can do syntethic hormones and be relegious,,the reason you have to lie is 1. safety 2. keeping the magic alive since many products are building their rep on you
it used to be only number 2 but last couple years it is number 1 that come into play more and more,,
many people are mean,, they dont like to see you on top,,they always up to bring you down,,,you learn it fast in every professional sport,,so you gotta get the best out of it and play the field right,,but you can still have relashionship with god and build a family,,its between you and your god,,
both titus and benoit basically murderers,,fucked us up the ass hard and we will suffer tremendesly from that,,but majority bodybuilders powerlifters and other athletes are good decent people,,many of them are very very smart and far exact opposite of party animals,,exact opposite!
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Trying to improve yourself is not hypocrisy
Taking illegal drugs while pounding the word of god into people's head is hypocrisy. Taking illegal drugs while looking down on those who in your mind are "sinners" is hypocrisy. I wonder how dugdale and his wife would feel about a artist who nabbed a prescription for weed to expand his mind and better his work. He would be improving himself by expanding his thinking right? He has a prescription so it is not a sin right ? If Dugdale and (especially his wife) did not do so much talking about sinning and living a clean life they would not be hypocrites.
Again, nothing against Dugdale or his wife. They seem like great people. If you read up on some of the things they have said (especially the wife) you might see why people call them hypocrites.
I was blown away over a coversation I read involving Dugdales wife on mayham long ago. I am paraphrasing forgive me. It was about impotence and bb. She went on a rampage about how porn was to blame for impotence in some bb's. Porn was to blame for impotence in general in this country. The sin of porn. She then went on to let everyone know one of her children was conceived the night mark won a bb title. Obv Mark was on at the time. Hypocrisy at its finest.
I have NOTHING againt dugdale or his wife. I think she is a attractive and decent woman. Mark seems like a great guy. They have a very nice family and seem like nice people. Sometimes they can be huge hypocrites. Thats the truth.
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Again, nothing against Dugdale or his wife. They seem like great people. If you read up on some of the things they have said (especially the wife) you might see why people call them hypocrites.
What kind of things have they said? Do they post here?
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What kind of things have they said? Do they post here?
They posted here awhile back. Matt C can back me up on this. They post on Mayham mostly. I have not been over there so no idea. Mark used to post here.
Marks wife has a rep of abusing her mod powers on Mayham if you do not agree with her. Threegirlsmom is her handle I think. Not sure if it is the same on getbig. It has been awhile since they posted.
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'On the lowest level were the ‘imposters’ (2 Tim. 3:13) who played their tricks as do circus magicians today. Between these were the sorcerers, enchanters, and charmers who could cast spells and knew how to use herbs, potions, and drugs.'
- Harper's Bible Dictionary
I typically don't like to get involved in discussions or debates on this subject with people who are not open minded enough to even consider that the Bible might actually be the Word of God. However, I feel I must interject on this attack on Mark. You have crossed the line by calling him "an evil Sorcerer masquerading as a Christian." Do you know him personally? Have you had a discussion with him directly regarding this subject? I assume not. Just a blatant attack on a stranger.
I always find it interesting when people that don't believe the Bible try to use Scripture to impeach a Christian. If your going to use Scripture, be sure to use it in the proper context! The Scripture you quoted is actually quite amussing to me. When you read the chapter in context it proves itself true by YOUR use of it :)
1 Timothy 3:10-17
"You however, know all about my teaching, my way of life, my purpose, faith, patience, love, endurance, persecutions, sufferings—what kinds of things happened to me in Antioch, Iconium and Lystra, the persecutions I endured. Yet the Lord rescued me from all of them. In fact, everyone who wants to live a godly life in Christ Jesus will be persecuted, while evil men and impostors will go from bad to worse, deceiving and being deceived. But as for you, continue in what you have learned and have become convinced of, because you know those from whom you learned it, and how from infancy you have known the holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus. All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work."
BTW, Christians are sinners too, just like everyone else. The only difference is we believe that when we confess our sins, God forgives us. We still suffer the consequences of our sin here on earth, but we won't suffer for them in Eternity, because Jesus paid the price for our "Eternal" punishment. One of my favorite sayings is, "I'm just a beggar trying to show another beggar where to get some bread." It surely doesn't mean I'm any better than someone who doesn't believe. That DEFINITELY isn't the case.
The moral of the story is, don't be so quick to blast someone all over the internet because of some bad decision they made or sin they comitted. I bet if I followed you around for just a short time I could fill up this board with your faults and sins, and the same goes for you following me.
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I'm sure somewhere while coked out and drunk, jebus came into's Dugdale's vision and told him that it was a okay!
i am beginnin to think that quite a large majority of GB is used to taking and enjoyin narcotics!
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People that preach religion every chance they get are about as annoying as the people who bash it every chance they get.
I'm tired of both of them.
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People that preach religion every chance they get are about as annoying as the people who bash it every chance they get.
I'm tired of both of them.
That my friend, was pretty funny. ;D
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A little secret guy, nobody gives a shit about Mr. Olympia other than people on this board, and even then, Coleman doesn't inspire me one bit. It's just amusing to see how big someone can get, but come on, write a fucking book or screenplay to move people. Someone being jacked has never inspired me in any which way at all. I'm inspired by people with talent and have some creative ability, but post here because it's also amusing and make me laugh my ass off many times, oh and I lift.
QFT
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actually it was 1991 that anabolic steroids became controlled substances.
Are you questioning the Great Avadan, Tim?
Big mistake! You don't wanna end up like David Henry, do you? :-X
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the powers that be are ordained of God.
Joe, Ben, and Manion are "ordained of god"? :o
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ill ask mark on saturday at the southern states.
hes guest posing sat, ill ask him
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look up Vanity, genius.
What's the difference between vanity and being proud of your accomplishments?
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I typically don't like to get involved in discussions or debates on this subject with people who are not open minded enough to even consider that the Bible might actually be the Word of God. However, I feel I must interject on this attack on Mark. You have crossed the line by calling him "an evil Sorcerer masquerading as a Christian." Do you know him personally? Have you had a discussion with him directly regarding this subject? I assume not. Just a blatant attack on a stranger.
I always find it interesting when people that don't believe the Bible try to use Scripture to impeach a Christian. If your going to use Scripture, be sure to use it in the proper context! The Scripture you quoted is actually quite amussing to me. When you read the chapter in context it proves itself true by YOUR use of it :)
1 Timothy 3:10-17
"You however, know all about my teaching, my way of life, my purpose, faith, patience, love, endurance, persecutions, sufferings—what kinds of things happened to me in Antioch, Iconium and Lystra, the persecutions I endured. Yet the Lord rescued me from all of them. In fact, everyone who wants to live a godly life in Christ Jesus will be persecuted, while evil men and impostors will go from bad to worse, deceiving and being deceived. But as for you, continue in what you have learned and have become convinced of, because you know those from whom you learned it, and how from infancy you have known the holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus. All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work."
BTW, Christians are sinners too, just like everyone else. The only difference is we believe that when we confess our sins, God forgives us. We still suffer the consequences of our sin here on earth, but we won't suffer for them in Eternity, because Jesus paid the price for our "Eternal" punishment. One of my favorite sayings is, "I'm just a beggar trying to show another beggar where to get some bread." It surely doesn't mean I'm any better than someone who doesn't believe. That DEFINITELY isn't the case.
The moral of the story is, don't be so quick to blast someone all over the internet because of some bad decision they made or sin they comitted. I bet if I followed you around for just a short time I could fill up this board with your faults and sins, and the same goes for you following me.
meltdown ;D
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I typically don't like to get involved in discussions or debates on this subject with people who are not open minded enough to even consider that the Bible might actually be the Word of God. However, I feel I must interject on this attack on Mark. You have crossed the line by calling him "an evil Sorcerer masquerading as a Christian." Do you know him personally? Have you had a discussion with him directly regarding this subject? I assume not. Just a blatant attack on a stranger.
I always find it interesting when people that don't believe the Bible try to use Scripture to impeach a Christian. If your going to use Scripture, be sure to use it in the proper context! The Scripture you quoted is actually quite amussing to me. When you read the chapter in context it proves itself true by YOUR use of it :)
1 Timothy 3:10-17
"You however, know all about my teaching, my way of life, my purpose, faith, patience, love, endurance, persecutions, sufferings—what kinds of things happened to me in Antioch, Iconium and Lystra, the persecutions I endured. Yet the Lord rescued me from all of them. In fact, everyone who wants to live a godly life in Christ Jesus will be persecuted, while evil men and impostors will go from bad to worse, deceiving and being deceived. But as for you, continue in what you have learned and have become convinced of, because you know those from whom you learned it, and how from infancy you have known the holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus. All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work."
BTW, Christians are sinners too, just like everyone else. The only difference is we believe that when we confess our sins, God forgives us. We still suffer the consequences of our sin here on earth, but we won't suffer for them in Eternity, because Jesus paid the price for our "Eternal" punishment. One of my favorite sayings is, "I'm just a beggar trying to show another beggar where to get some bread." It surely doesn't mean I'm any better than someone who doesn't believe. That DEFINITELY isn't the case.
The moral of the story is, don't be so quick to blast someone all over the internet because of some bad decision they made or sin they comitted. I bet if I followed you around for just a short time I could fill up this board with your faults and sins, and the same goes for you following me.
i pray to science not a sunday fairy tale business
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Taking illegal drugs while pounding the word of god into people's head is hypocrisy. Taking illegal drugs while looking down on those who in your mind are "sinners" is hypocrisy. I wonder how dugdale and his wife would feel about a artist who nabbed a prescription for weed to expand his mind and better his work. He would be improving himself by expanding his thinking right? He has a prescription so it is not a sin right ? If Dugdale and (especially his wife) did not do so much talking about sinning and living a clean life they would not be hypocrites.
Again, nothing against Dugdale or his wife. They seem like great people. If you read up on some of the things they have said (especially the wife) you might see why people call them hypocrites.
I was blown away over a coversation I read involving Dugdales wife on mayham long ago. I am paraphrasing forgive me. It was about impotence and bb. She went on a rampage about how porn was to blame for impotence in some bb's. Porn was to blame for impotence in general in this country. The sin of porn. She then went on to let everyone know one of her children was conceived the night mark won a bb title. Obv Mark was on at the time. Hypocrisy at its finest.
I have NOTHING againt dugdale or his wife. I think she is a attractive and decent woman. Mark seems like a great guy. They have a very nice family and seem like nice people. Sometimes they can be huge hypocrites. Thats the truth.
First i take the roids legally. I do preach about jesus but only to those who want to hear it. IF you dont want to then i wont talk about it. Second I dont look dont on anyone person in this world, yes i have made better choices than some, but i am just as much a sinner as anyone out there. The only perfect person was jesus. I have no right to anyone judge of there sins, i have no way of knowing what they have been through or why then did what they did. Only god can judge you.
I dont know what dugdale wife siad about porn, but i do believe that porn is evil. It is as addictive as any drug, or alcohol. I was addicted to porn and it took alot for me to break my addiction. I thank god that i was able to break my addiction(sorry for preaching)
The child being conceived on the night he won a show there is no correlation, in my opinion it was just coincidence
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First i take the roids legally. I do preach about jesus but only to those who want to hear it. IF you dont want to then i wont talk about it. Second I dont look dont on anyone person in this world, yes i have made better choices than some, but i am just as much a sinner as anyone out there. The only perfect person was jesus. I have no right to anyone judge of there sins, i have no way of knowing what they have been through or why then did what they did. Only god can judge you.
I dont know what dugdale wife siad about porn, but i do believe that porn is evil. It is as addictive as any drug, or alcohol. I was addicted to porn and it took alot for me to break my addiction. I thank god that i was able to break my addiction(sorry for preaching)
The child being conceived on the night he won a show there is no correlation, in my opinion it was just coincidence
you're a hypocrite.
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Marks wife has a rep of abusing her mod powers on Mayham if you do not agree with her. Threegirlsmom is her handle I think. Not sure if it is the same on getbig. It has been awhile since they posted.
Oh yea. BITCH definitely has issues. How someone could be married to that BITCH.
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First i take the roids legally. I do preach about jesus but only to those who want to hear it. IF you dont want to then i wont talk about it. Second I dont look dont on anyone person in this world, yes i have made better choices than some, but i am just as much a sinner as anyone out there. The only perfect person was jesus. I have no right to anyone judge of there sins, i have no way of knowing what they have been through or why then did what they did. Only god can judge you.
I dont know what dugdale wife siad about porn, but i do believe that porn is evil. It is as addictive as any drug, or alcohol. I was addicted to porn and it took alot for me to break my addiction. I thank god that i was able to break my addiction(sorry for preaching)
The child being conceived on the night he won a show there is no correlation, in my opinion it was just coincidence
you believe in the tooth fairy too, right?
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First i take the roids legally. I do preach about jesus but only to those who want to hear it. IF you dont want to then i wont talk about it. Second I dont look dont on anyone person in this world, yes i have made better choices than some, but i am just as much a sinner as anyone out there. The only perfect person was jesus. I have no right to anyone judge of there sins, i have no way of knowing what they have been through or why then did what they did. Only god can judge you.
I dont know what dugdale wife siad about porn, but i do believe that porn is evil. It is as addictive as any drug, or alcohol. I was addicted to porn and it took alot for me to break my addiction. I thank god that i was able to break my addiction(sorry for preaching)
The child being conceived on the night he won a show there is no correlation, in my opinion it was just coincidence
She was using that as an example of how steriods do not cause impotency in bb's.
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you're a hypocrite.
Why am i a hypocrite?
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you believe in the tooth fairy too, right?
LOL. Of course doesnt everybody
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Ir you are an orthodox, fundamentalist anything. There is now way you can justify the use of steroids. All the religions say that sorcery is a sin. That is using a drug other than its meical purpose. RON, just because they were legal at one time and are not legal now makes no difference.
genrommel74 , If you choose to do steroids and still be religious great, you can still preach to anyone you want too. BUT be sure to tell them you are a moderate and that you derive you morality from more than one source, one of them religion, but the other from your own intellect. And that they are free to do the same.
But if you ever preach that the Bible is the literal written word from GOD, and that you do steroids, then you are fucked. You can't have your cake and eat it too.
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Ir you are an orthodox, fundamentalist anything. There is now way you can justify the use of steroids. All the religions say that sorcery is a sin. That is using a drug other than its meical purpose. RON, just because they were legal at one time and are not legal now makes no difference.
genrommel74 , If you choose to do steroids and still be religious great, you can still preach to anyone you want too. BUT be sure to tell them you are a moderate and that you derive you morality from more than one source, one of them religion, but the other from your own intellect. And that they are free to do the same.
But if you ever preach that the Bible is the literal written word from GOD, and that you do steroids, then you are fucked. You can't have your cake and eat it too.
Pwned!!!!
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Ir you are an orthodox, fundamentalist anything. There is now way you can justify the use of steroids. All the religions say that sorcery is a sin. That is using a drug other than its meical purpose. RON, just because they were legal at one time and are not legal now makes no difference.
genrommel74 , If you choose to do steroids and still be religious great, you can still preach to anyone you want too. BUT be sure to tell them you are a moderate and that you derive you morality from more than one source, one of them religion, but the other from your own intellect. And that they are free to do the same.
But if you ever preach that the Bible is the literal written word from GOD, and that you do steroids, then you are fucked. You can't have your cake and eat it too.
I do believe the bible to be the literal word of god, as far as it is translated correctly. The bible has been translated so many times that it has been changed for its original intent in some respects. I am a mormon so i also have the book of mormon to compliment the bible. So i do take my morality from more than one source
I have asked my bishop if taking steroids was okay and he said that as long as i am doing legally and not abusing them then i am ok. So in this case i can have my cake and eat it
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I do believe the bible to be the literal word of god, as far as it is translated correctly. The bible has been translated so many times that it has been changed for its original intent in some respects. I am a mormon so i also have the book of mormon to compliment the bible. So i do take my morality from more than one source
I have asked my bishop if taking steroids was okay and he said that as long as i am doing legally and not abusing them then i am ok. So in this case i can have my cake and eat it
You use steroids to further your bb gains. You have a prescription for a illegal drug. What if your doc is the type of guy who prescribes things to people who dont really need them? You are using red tape and technicalities to justify your sin. What is the medical reason you must use steriods? I guess if you have to take steriods to treat some kind of medical issue that is fine. If not you are abusing them.
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You use steroids to further your bb gains. You have a prescription for a illegal drug. What if your doc is the type of guy who prescribes things to people who dont really need them? You are using red tape and technicalities to justify your sin. What is the medical reason you must use steriods? I guess if you have to take steriods to treat some kind of medical issue that is fine. If not you are abusing them.
I have low test levels. And i have document prove to support my low test levels. But yes i do take them to further my bb goals.
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I have low test levels. And i have document prove to support my low test levels. But yes i do take them to further my bb goals.
Are the test levels low due to genetics or previous use? If they are low naturally and you use to get your test up to a normal level that is understandable. I agree, you are not a hypocrite if you are using the recommended amount to have normal test levels. If that is the case I take back what I said above about the "red tape" and "technicalities".
However no pro is using recommend amounts of juice to have "normal" test. To be honest I have no problem with people who use. The preaching while sinning thing SOME partake in gets under my skin.
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Are the test levels low due to genetics or previous use? If they are low naturally and you use to get your test up to a normal level that is understandable. I agree, you are not a hypocrite if you are using the recommended amount to have normal test levels. If that is the case I take back what I said above about the "red tape" and "technicalities".
However no pro is using recommend amounts of juice to have "normal" test. To be honest I have no problem with people who use. The preaching while sinning thing SOME partake in gets under my skin.
My levels are low geneticly, but i take more than the recommended dose, but i dont take anywhere near what a pro takes
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I have low test levels. And i have document prove to support my low test levels. But yes i do take them to further my bb goals.
replacement therapy is 100 mg/week. if you're really tall, your doctor might be able to justify 200 mg/week. anything more than could get your doctor in trouble. allowing your doctor to break the rules for your non-medical benefit could be considered a not very moral thing to do.
3girlsmom is considered a hypocrite by many because she is constantly criticizing others for not following the rules of her christian faith as she sees them, but then claiming her actions aren't breaking the rules because the things she's breaking aren't really related to her christian faith. The whole problem with organized religion is determining which rules are important and which rules are not. You're bad because you are breaking those rules, but I'm ok because the rules I'm breaking aren't really important or don't really apply.
(http://www.chadnicholls.net/forums/image.php?u=3347&type=profile&dateline=1142546360)
Here is a bible quote for you: Matthew 6:5-6 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew%206:5-6;&version=31;)
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My levels are low geneticly, but i take more than the recommended dose, but i dont take anywhere near what a pro takes
Then you are infact abusing steroids. That = sin. By your own words you said your bishop said taking steroids was ok as long as you did it legally. Abusing your prescribed dose to further your bb goals is not legal.
Red tape and technicalities may help you justify steriod abuse, but they will not work with your god. It is what it is.
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Two ex-Mr. Olympias (Ronnie & Lee Haney) are fundamentalist Christians who repeatedly integrated their faith into their contest wins. Ronnie actually lectured the audience after one win, & told them to give Jesus a try. Lee now runs camps for kids where he advocates not using steroids. There's a lot of rationalizing going on here, especially since they (& other top IFBB BBs) have claimed that bodybuilding is an expression of God's will in their lives.
What surprises me is that doctors can still get away with prescribing steroids to bodybuilders. I understand you have to fill all steroid prescriptions out in triplicate & they're scrutinized heavily by more than one gov't agency.
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Two ex-Mr. Olympias (Ronnie & Lee Haney) are fundamentalist Christians who repeatedly integrated their faith into their contest wins.
The old drug stuff is sticky, but Haney comes off as a legit, practicing God-fearer.
Coleman, though ... I'm sure he thinks so. There IS a difference.
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when did taking juice become a sin?
lying is a sin though... :)
so is conceit..vanity etc etc...
bodybuilder christian is an oxymoron
so is bodybuilder muslim (nasser..samir bannout etc etc)
just like bodybuilder cop <ronnie..quite literally the biggest hypocrite of em all>
i wont pick on shawanna in this thread least he throw a puss fit and del it..
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I'm sure somewhere while coked out and drunk, jebus came into's Dugdale's vision and told him that it was a okay!
i'm doing visions now? >:(
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replacement therapy is 100 mg/week. if you're really tall, your doctor might be able to justify 200 mg/week. anything more than could get your doctor in trouble. allowing your doctor to break the rules for your non-medical benefit could be considered a not very moral thing to do.
3girlsmom is considered a hypocrite by many because she is constantly criticizing others for not following the rules of her christian faith as she sees them, but then claiming her actions aren't breaking the rules because the things she's breaking aren't really related to her christian faith. The whole problem with organized religion is determining which rules are important and which rules are not. You're bad because you are breaking those rules, but I'm ok because the rules I'm breaking aren't really important or don't really apply.
(http://www.chadnicholls.net/forums/image.php?u=3347&type=profile&dateline=1142546360)
I will admit that i take 500mg/week. For me personally my bishop knows that i take more than i recommended dosage and knows that i take that much to further my bodybuilding goals. And he said as longas i am not abusing them. Abuse is taking steroids in warmful dosages, which i am not.
I try not to criticize others for breaking rules, because i am not perfect, and i am a sinner so who am i to to judge another. I dont know how dugdales wife thinks so i will not try to defend what she has said.
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so is bodybuilder muslim (nasser..samir bannout etc etc)
I've never seen them wear their religion on their sleeve.
you can believe what ever you want. it only becomes a problem when you tell others what to believe, or claim to be superior to others because of what you believe.
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women should stay covered up, kept as property like cattle and stay in the house chopping vegetable and cleaning.
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I've never seen them wear their religion on their sleeve.
you can believe what ever you want. it only becomes a problem when you tell others what to believe, or claim to be superior to others because of what you believe.
umm can ya imagine samir and nassar preaching islam to an audience..lol they'd be booed off stage.. ;D
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FOGARTY RULES!
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odoyle rules! :D
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lying is a sin though... :)
so is conceit..vanity etc etc...
bodybuilder christian is an oxymoron
so is bodybuilder muslim (nasser..samir bannout etc etc)
just like bodybuilder cop <ronnie..quite literally the biggest hypocrite of em all>
Good points. Vanity/self-esteem, though ... Aside from the obvious, where's the line? Certainly would depend on motivation and/or extremes, wouldn't you say?
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Good points. Vanity/self-esteem, though ... Aside from the obvious, where's the line? Certainly would depend on motivation and/or extremes, wouldn't you say?
I agree 100%. What is the motivation
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Good points. Vanity/self-esteem, though ... Aside from the obvious, where's the line? Certainly would depend on motivation and/or extremes, wouldn't you say?
show me a humble bodybuilder and i'll give u 10 dalla..
dosen't exist..
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I was just kidding about the sorcery thing. GOD (however you choose to define that word) doesn't care if you take steroids or not. It's all about what kind of person you are.
The only reason for anyone to deny using is to avoid the persecution and stigma that is caused by prohibition and negative media reports. Mark Dugdale seems like a decent person.
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Here's Dugdale looking awesome.
(http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e371/supsvm/Mark-Dugdale.jpg)
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I have ZERO problem with someone trying to make a living. None.
I have ZERO problem with someone involved in bodybuilding doing what everyone else is doing while they try to make their LIVING through bodybuilding. NONE WHATSOEVER.
Where I have a problem is with people that ARE NOT REAL about who/what they are. If you rely on drugs to make a living, then DAMNIT, SAY THAT YOU DO. Don't preach to others about this or that when you don't follow that road yourself. "DO as I SAY, NOT as I DO" sound familiar?
There are a few things people can do in life.
- Make the most out of the abilities/attibutes you were born with.
- Work your ass off to be successful.
- Do everything you can to OVERCOME OBSTICLES.
- Treat others as you would want to be treated yourself.
This is JUST MY OPINION (trust me, there are people out there who do not WANT YOU to have your own OPINION on ANYTHING......)...
- Do NOT tell everyone about GOD and RELIGION when your life is based on vanity.
- Do NOT break MAN'S LAW to spread your "message" while there are MANY different ways that you could touch lives outside of bodybuilding that don't require that you be a criminal.
- Do NOT live a life that REQUIRES you to tell others to do as you SAY...not as you DO....
Understand?
Opinion/response stated.
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And thus god said:
Goest and taketh the steroid, for they are the true way to make you big. Spread the word of the almighty, for steroids make you bigger than supplements.
Beware thee of buying supplements from Koloseum, for thou will fall for the devil if you pay more than 30 bucks for supplements.
Oh and if thou areth a true believer, add some winnies for cutting.
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I love the response that vanity is what makes bodybuilding/taking steroids a sin. Vanity can encompass everything from wearing nice clothes to getting braces or wearing makeup. Many pro's get their gear legally and if that is the case then what is the problem? By the way everyone sins and being a Christian does not make you perfect..far from it.
Haha just like Chris Benoit, right?
Even the most progressive MD isnt going to prescribe more then a few hundred MG of test per week with some possible hGH.
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I do believe the bible to be the literal word of god, as far as it is translated correctly. The bible has been translated so many times that it has been changed for its original intent in some respects. I am a mormon so i also have the book of mormon to compliment the bible. So i do take my morality from more than one source
I have asked my bishop if taking steroids was okay and he said that as long as i am doing legally and not abusing them then i am ok. So in this case i can have my cake and eat it
I am not suprised you are a Mormon. Mormons, "the true chosen people of God" are know for changing "Gods rules" on a daily basis to suit their own selfish needs. When the church was first formed by Joseph Smith (a charlatan, snake oil salesman) he declared that any Mormon can speak with God directly. This is how he recruited millions and got rich. But that proved a calamity. Everyone was coming forward and saying God spoke to me last night and he said this was a sin and that was a sin. This is how they would justify their own wrong doings, one of them polygomy.
Mormons were changing their rules monthly. The church leaders seeing this was a problem decided that the only Mormons that can speak directly to God were the leaders. This also proved problematic because there were more than one leader getting confilicting orders directly from God. Usually orders that benefited the reciever in some selfish way. Today the fundamentalist Mormons, the ones who practice polygamy still believe that any Mormon can talk directly to God, this is how they justify polygomy and other sins, like child molestation.
The only reason Elizabeth Smart went so willingly with her abductor was because she was raised Mormon. She believed that God could actually speak to her and thus believed her abductor when he told her he was sent directly from God to marry her. If she was not brainwashed by the Mormon church into this ridiculous notion maybe she would have screamed and gotten away from this creep. Thanks to a smart police officer, she is alive today.
A good read "Under the Banner of Heaven" By: Krakauer, Jon It is a pretty damning book on the hypocrisy of the Mormon church.
"At the core of his book is an appalling double murder committed by two Mormon Fundamentalist brothers, Ron and Dan Lafferty, who insist they received a revelation from God commanding them to kill their blameless victims. Beginning with a meticulously researched account of this “divinely inspired” crime, Krakauer constructs a multilayered, bone-chilling narrative of messianic delusion, savage violence, polygamy, and unyielding faith. Along the way, he uncovers a shadowy offshoot of America’s fastest-growing religion, and raises provocative questions about the nature of religious belief."
I am sure there are many moderate Mormons, but the majority are very extreme and they live amoungst us believing that they are the only ones God will let into heaven, the rest of us are going to Hell.
BTW, Every time you stay at a Marriot Hotel you are putting money into the Mormon church.
Thou Sayest.
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I am not suprised you are a Mormon. Mormons, "the true chosen people of God" are know for changing "Gods rules" on a daily basis to suit their own selfish needs. When the church was first formed by Joseph Smith (a charlatan, snake oil salesman) he declared that any Mormon can speak with God directly. This is how he recruited millions and got rich. But that proved a calamity. Everyone was coming forward and saying God spoke to me last night and he said this was a sin and that was a sin. This is how they would justify their own wrong doings, one of them polygomy.
Mormons were changing their rules monthly. The church leaders seeing this was a problem decided that the only Mormons that can speak directly to God were the leaders. This also proved problematic because there were more than one leader getting confilicting orders directly from God. Usually orders that benefited the reciever in some selfish way. Today the fundamentalist Mormons, the ones who practice polygamy still believe that any Mormon can talk directly to God, this is how they justify polygomy and other sins, like child molestation.
The only reason Elizabeth Smart went so willingly with her abductor was because she was raised Mormon. She believed that God could actually speak to her and thus believed her abductor when he told her he was sent directly from God to marry her. If she was not brainwashed by the Mormon church into this ridiculous notion maybe she would have screamed and gotten away from this creep. Thanks to a smart police officer, she is alive today.
A good read "Under the Banner of Heaven" By: Krakauer, Jon It is a pretty damning book on the hypocrisy of the Mormon church.
"At the core of his book is an appalling double murder committed by two Mormon Fundamentalist brothers, Ron and Dan Lafferty, who insist they received a revelation from God commanding them to kill their blameless victims. Beginning with a meticulously researched account of this “divinely inspired” crime, Krakauer constructs a multilayered, bone-chilling narrative of messianic delusion, savage violence, polygamy, and unyielding faith. Along the way, he uncovers a shadowy offshoot of America’s fastest-growing religion, and raises provocative questions about the nature of religious belief."
I am sure there are many moderate Mormons, but the majority are very extreme and they live amoungst us believing that they are the only ones God will let into heaven, the rest of us are going to Hell.
BTW, Every time you stay at a Marriot Hotel you are putting money into the Mormon church.
Thou Sayest.
Dude anyone can talk directly to god, mormon or not. It is called prayer. ANd i will say it again polygamists are not mormons, they were excommunicated over a hundred years ago. I dont know what you mean by extremist mormon, may there are some in Utah. But if you mean extremists meaning that we dont drink, smoke, etc. yeah then most mormons are extremists. But they are the same as you they just have different morals.
As for the murder thing every religion have had crazy people, muslims jihadists, the crusades, etc.
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I wonder how Ms Dugdale feels about the evil effect candy is having on todays youth?
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I wonder how Ms Dugdale feels about the evil effect candy is having on todays youth?
LOL. . . . candy is the spawn of satan
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What about posing for musclegallery & the lifestyle video?
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What about posing for musclegallery & the lifestyle video?
Thats fine ( insert hypocritcal explination)
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LOL. . . . candy is the spawn of satan
True, I suspect pixie sticks to be the leading cause of teen pregnancy. Makes the kids go crazy and have urges!
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Dude anyone can talk directly to god, mormon or not. It is called prayer. ANd i will say it again polygamists are not mormons, they were excommunicated over a hundred years ago. I dont know what you mean by extremist mormon, may there are some in Utah. But if you mean extremists meaning that we dont drink, smoke, etc. yeah then most mormons are extremists. But they are the same as you they just have different morals.
As for the murder thing every religion have had crazy people, muslims jihadists, the crusades, etc.
Let me clarify, Mormons believed and many still do that they are so special that GOD will speak to them directly and give them mandates and instructions on how he wants us to live. This has never happened. The belief that one person is closer to God than another is dangerous.
By extremist I mean peopel that believe they are chosen by God above all else and that their beliefs reign supreme and that they refuse to have any kind of dialouge with any person, group that does not believe as thye do. Thye are hell bent on converting or disempowering non-believers.They will use their power to help only their own kind and demonize and even hurt anyone that doesn't accept their dogma or blind faith.
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Let me clarify, Mormons believed and many still do that they are so special that GOD will speak to them directly and give them mandates and instructions on how he wants us to live. This has never happened. The belief that one person is closer to God than another is dangerous.
By extremist I mean peopel that believe they are chosen by God above all else and that their beliefs reign supreme and that they refuse to have any kind of dialouge with any person, group that does not believe as thye do. Thye are hell bent on converting or disempowering non-believers.They will use their power to help only their own kind and demonize and even hurt anyone that doesn't accept their dogma or blind faith.
This first part of your statement i will agree with. But it is more complicated than that, but that could be a very,very simple way of putting it. However anyone and i mean anyone can receive revalation from god. The part i dont agree with ( This has never happened. The belief that one person is closer to God than another is dangerous.) What to think the prophets and apostles from the bible were. And that is exactly what we have a prophet and 12 apostles. And even then we still dont believe that we know god better than anyone else. We just have a more specific communication with god.
AS for the second part of your statement, i have meet very few mormons like that but i wont deny that they exist. But living like this contary to what we believe, because we believe you should treat everyone the way you would want to be treated, mormon or not. So that statement is absolutely false to what mormons believe, but people like that do exist. I persnoally have been to a jewish bar mitzvah, a protestant chruch and catholic mass.
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If i was a Catholic i could commit hundreds of sins and then repent to a Preist if i truly believed my sins were ungodly and get a free pass into Heaven.Cool
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If i was a Catholic i could commit hundreds of sins and then repent to a Preist if i truly believed my sins were ungodly and get a free pass into Heaven.Cool
not only that ...be forgiven to sin again, again and still go to heaven.
if the universe is 15 billion years old and the bible is 2,000 years old...somethings fishy.
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I will admit that i take 500mg/week. For me personally my bishop knows that i take more than i recommended dosage and knows that i take that much to further my bodybuilding goals. And he said as longas i am not abusing them. Abuse is taking steroids in warmful dosages, which i am not.
I try not to criticize others for breaking rules, because i am not perfect, and i am a sinner so who am i to to judge another. I dont know how dugdales wife thinks so i will not try to defend what she has said.
I can guarantee your doctor dose not prescribes 500mg/week.
If a doctor prescribes say 200mg/week then that is you dose, anything more is abuse no matter how you look at it and no biship or praying can change that.
There is not differing levels of abusing drugs, you either take the recommended dose or your abusing it....SIMPLE!
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Let me clarify, Mormons believed and many still do that they are so special that GOD will speak to them directly and give them mandates and instructions on how he wants us to live. This has never happened. The belief that one person is closer to God than another is dangerous.
By extremist I mean peopel that believe they are chosen by God above all else and that their beliefs reign supreme and that they refuse to have any kind of dialouge with any person, group that does not believe as thye do. Thye are hell bent on converting or disempowering non-believers.They will use their power to help only their own kind and demonize and even hurt anyone that doesn't accept their dogma or blind faith.
so being a devout mormon will marie osmond be penalized for numerous face lifts.....
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mark dugdale is an analcommando
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mark dugdale is an analcommando
hahaha, are you suggesting that Mark did more than "pose" for MuscleGallery, slaveboy?
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hahaha, are you suggesting that Mark did more than "pose" for MuscleGallery, slaveboy?
fuck i been working 24/7 lately, so im not up to date what is going on in the bodybuilding world. but still, i would say that the analcommando probably used his muclegallery pics for some escort website and that his wife found crusted semen in his rectum, even a month after he "posed" for musclegallery
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amen. burp.
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wait just a minute...he posed for musclegallery? I take back taking back what I said. He is practicing evil sorcery and is in league with the gay devil!
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wait just a minute...he posed for musclegallery? I take back taking back what I said. He is practicing evil sorcery and is in league with the gay devil!
ok so there's good and evil sorcery...good and evil...christians stole those concepts(good vs. evil) from the ancient persian religions.
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if vanity is a sin.. then no one can tan, style their hair, get a manicure, get braces for their teeth, ect ect.. the list will go on and on.. if it was not steroids that mark "sinned" with he would sin by some other means of "vanity".. by the way.. what a useless topic.. ::)
Touche! :D
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who said vanity is a sin?
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who said vanity is a sin?
Doe did.
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Doe did.
good movie.