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Tip of the iceberg. Must be a lot of nervous people in D.C.
Sen. Vitter Apologizes for Number Showing Up on Phone Records of Alleged Prostitution Ring
Monday, July 09, 2007
Deborah Jeane Palfrey
WASHINGTON — Louisiana Sen. David Vitter apologized Monday for his telephone number showing up on the old phone records of Pamela Martin and Associates, the alleged prostitution ring run in the nation's capital by Deborah Jeane Palfrey.
"This was a very serious sin in my past for which I am, of course, completely responsible," Vitter said in a statement.
"Several years ago, I asked for and received forgiveness from God and my wife in confession and marriage counseling. Out of respect for my family, I will keep my discussion of the matter there --with God and them. But I certainly offer my deep and sincere apologies to all I have disappointed and let down in any way," he wrote.
The acknowledgment from Vitter, a Republican who recently won praise from conservatives for his opposition to the immigration reform bill, comes days after U.S. District Court Judge Gladys Kessler lifted a restraining order, allowing Palfrey, 51, to distribute pages of phone records that she and her attorney said contains up to 15,000 names.
On Monday, she released the numbers on her Web site.
Prosecutors had won two temporary restraining orders to prevent her from distributing the list, first to preserve its availability and then to prevent the harassment of potential witnesses through its distribution.
Judge Lifts Restraining Order Banning D.C. Madam From Revealing Client List But prosecutors' arguments did not hold up, the judge ruled. The availability of the list is not in jeopardy and it was not seized or listed with her other assets that were subject to forfeiture, Kessler wrote.
Freezing "the personal property of an individual, not yet convicted of any crime" would be an extraordinary step, the requirements of which government prosecutors failed to satisfy, the judge wrote.
Palfrey is facing federal racketeering and conspiracy charges for running what she says was a legal escort service. Prosecutors say the business netted more than $2 million from 1993 to 2006.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,288740,00.html
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so he went to a whore, and now God has forgiven him . . . it's all good.
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Tip of the iceberg. Must be a lot of nervous people in D.C.
Sen. Vitter Apologizes for Number Showing Up on Phone Records of Alleged Prostitution Ring
Monday, July 09, 2007
Deborah Jeane Palfrey
WASHINGTON — Louisiana Sen. David Vitter apologized Monday for his telephone number showing up on the old phone records of Pamela Martin and Associates, the alleged prostitution ring run in the nation's capital by Deborah Jeane Palfrey.
"This was a very serious sin in my past for which I am, of course, completely responsible," Vitter said in a statement.
"Several years ago, I asked for and received forgiveness from God and my wife in confession and marriage counseling. Out of respect for my family, I will keep my discussion of the matter there --with God and them. But I certainly offer my deep and sincere apologies to all I have disappointed and let down in any way," he wrote.
The acknowledgment from Vitter, a Republican who recently won praise from conservatives for his opposition to the immigration reform bill, comes days after U.S. District Court Judge Gladys Kessler lifted a restraining order, allowing Palfrey, 51, to distribute pages of phone records that she and her attorney said contains up to 15,000 names.
On Monday, she released the numbers on her Web site.
Prosecutors had won two temporary restraining orders to prevent her from distributing the list, first to preserve its availability and then to prevent the harassment of potential witnesses through its distribution.
Judge Lifts Restraining Order Banning D.C. Madam From Revealing Client List But prosecutors' arguments did not hold up, the judge ruled. The availability of the list is not in jeopardy and it was not seized or listed with her other assets that were subject to forfeiture, Kessler wrote.
Freezing "the personal property of an individual, not yet convicted of any crime" would be an extraordinary step, the requirements of which government prosecutors failed to satisfy, the judge wrote.
Palfrey is facing federal racketeering and conspiracy charges for running what she says was a legal escort service. Prosecutors say the business netted more than $2 million from 1993 to 2006.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,288740,00.html
Yep. It's gonna get REAL HOT in Washington.
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Why can't they just have their wives dress up in maid's uniforms and give it to them...
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because their wives are in church studing the bible.
they are in private study :)
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Larry Flynt: I Outed Sen. Vitter
Louisiana Sen. David Vitter said he had sinned and was sorry, hours after Hustler magazine told him his telephone number was among those disclosed by the "D.C. Madam."
The first-term Republican senator declined interview requests Tuesday, and he made no public appearances in the Capitol. The night before, he'd made a startling confession in an e-mail to The Associated Press:
"This was a very serious sin in my past for which I am, of course, completely responsible. Several years ago, I asked for and received forgiveness from God and my wife in confession and marriage counseling."
Vitter, 46, and his wife, Wendy, live in the New Orleans suburb of Metairie with their four children.
He recently played a prominent role in derailing an immigration bill backed by President Bush, and he is Southern regional campaign chairman for Rudy Giuliani's presidential bid.
Vitter's statement said his number was on phone records of Pamela Martin and Associates before he ran for the Senate in 2004. Federal prosecutors have accused Deborah Jeane Palfrey of racketeering by running a prostitution ring that netted more than $2 million over 13 years, beginning in 1993. She contends that her escort service, Pamela Martin and Associates, was a legitimate business offering sexual fantasies.
Palfrey's lawyer, Montgomery Blair Sibley, said in an interview that the call from Vitter's number to the escort service was made Feb. 27, 2001.
Vitter, a Harvard University graduate and Rhodes scholar, spent six years in the House _ beginning in January 1999 _ before being elected to the Senate.
Sibley confirmed that author Dan Moldea, who is writing a book with Palfrey, discovered Vitter's number in Palfrey's phone records, which she has publicly released. In an interview Tuesday, Moldea said he called Hustler magazine publisher Larry Flynt, for whom Moldea has done consulting work. Moldea said a Hustler editor called Vitter's office late Monday afternoon.
In June, Flynt took out an ad in The Washington Post offering $1 million to anyone who could show he or she had engaged in a sexual encounter with a member of Congress "or a high-ranking government official." In a statement Tuesday, Hustler said Vitter's statement was "the result of a multi-pronged investigation launched and run by Larry Flynt."
Vincent Bruno, a member of the Louisiana Republican State Central Committee, said Tuesday that Vitter should resign "for his own good, the good of the party and the good of his family."
In 2004, Bruno accused Vitter of having an affair with a New Orleans prostitute. In a radio interview at the time, Vitter called the allegation "absolutely and completely untrue," and his supporters said Bruno was conducting a political vendetta.
On Tuesday, Jeanette Maier, a former madam, told the AP that Vitter had been a customer of her New Orleans brothel. She pleaded guilty in 2002 to running the illegal establishment.
Vitter's office did not respond to an e-mail and phone call seeking comment on the latest allegation.
In Washington Tuesday, several Republican colleagues rallied to Vitter's side.
"It's really an issue between he and his family and God, and that has been dealt with, thankfully," said Sen. Jim DeMint, R-S.C. "He's a very good friend. He's a great legislator. So certainly I accept his apology, and hopefully it won't have any effect on his service here."
Asked if the matter might undermine Vitter's reputation as a social conservative, DeMint replied, "Yeah, that's part of being in leadership. If you fail to live up to standards you set for yourself, then obviously that hurts. That's what all of us fear most, that we're going to discredit ourselves and no longer be effective."
"We all think that we're not vulnerable to something like that happening," DeMint said, "but the fact is this can be a very lonely and isolating place to be away from your family. So I'm certainly not going to judge him because I don't want that kind of pressure on me."
In 2000, Wendy Vitter told Newhouse News Service she could not be as forgiving as Livingston's wife or Hillary Clinton if her husband were unfaithful.
"I'm a lot more like Lorena Bobbitt than Hillary," she said. "If he does something like that, I'm walking away with one thing, and it's not alimony, trust me."
Lorena Bobbitt, in a 1993 case that drew worldwide attention, cut off her sleeping husband's penis after an argument.
Louisiana's Democratic governor, Kathleen Blanco, issued a statement Tuesday saying she was "disappointed" over Vitter's revelation and hoped it wouldn't hurt the state's efforts to secure federal funding for rebuilding homes damaged by hurricanes Katrina and Rita.
Louisiana's other U.S. senator, Democrat Mary Landrieu, declined to comment on the Vitter matter.
Until Vitter's admission, the most prominent client of Palfrey's to emerge was senior State Department official Randall Tobias, who resigned from his post in April after ABC News confronted him about his use of the service.
Palfrey's Web site contains several pages of phone records, but no names, dating from August 1994 to August 2006. Palfrey wrote on the Web site that she believed a disk containing the records had been pirated, and said she was posting the records "to thwart any possible distorted version and to ensure the integrity of the information."
Palfrey pleaded guilty to pimping charges in 1991 on separate charges and was sentenced to 18 months in a California prison.
Moldea was the lead investigator on Flynt's probe in 1998-99 of lawmakers who were investigating President Clinton in the Monica Lewinsky scandal. They included Rep. Robert Livingston, R-La., who stepped aside days before he was expected to become House speaker replacing Newt Gingrich. Livingston, whose House seat was later filled by Vitter, revealed that he, too, had an extramarital affair.
Sibley, Palfrey's lawyer, said a "major news organization" aware of Moldea's latest findings had called Vitter's office Monday morning seeking comment on the call to Palfrey's company. He declined to identify the print news organization but said it was not Hustler. Vitter's office issued his statement late Monday in an e-mail to the AP bureau in New Orleans.
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Larry Flynt is one powerful man.
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Larry Flynt is one powerful man.
wonder who will be next? even more intriguing....do we know if Mr. Flynt is 'hand-picking' the politicians he wants to out?
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wonder who will be next? even more intriguing....do we know if Mr. Flynt is 'hand-picking' the politicians he wants to out?
Not sure, although he claims there are Republicans and Democrats on his list from the House and Senate.
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This guy is spot on, in my opinion!
Hypocrisy All Around
PJM LAJuly 13, 2007 1:00 AM
By Rick Moran, PJM Columnist
Long trodden upon lines of propriety have been crossed once again in the media’s most recent Larry Flynt-sponsored rush to expose a Republican caught engaging in acts beyond the bounds of his marriage. Rick Moran examines the recklessness of ignoring both the messenger and the message in the capital’s game of sanctimonious gotcha.
Scandals come and go on Capitol Hill. Every generation of legislators seems to have its own scofflaws, rogues, roués, rakes, and rapscallions prowling the corridors of The People’s House by day while slinking along the darkened streets and back alleys by night, partaking in the city’s more delectable and usually harmless illegalities.
Then again, every once and a while a real criminal like ex-Congressman Duke Cunningham comes along to prove every bad thing the American people believe about their representatives. Cunningham’s conviction on bribery charges – spectacularly unprecedented bribery I might add – was actually the exception to the rule of Capitol Hill shenanigans. Most scandals involve what might be considered minor influence peddling or, even more commonly, sins of the flesh. Wilbur Mills being caught with the Argentinian stripper Fanne Fox, or more recently, salacious emails sent by Mark Foley to underage pages where no crime was committed but the incidents reflected badly on the Congressman’s moral character.
So goes the latest Capitol Hill sex scandal involving Louisiana Senator David Vitter and his use of Madam Palfrey’s escort service for purposes unrelated to constituent work or his position in the Senate. The tawdry details make for rather boring reading. It seems that prior to his Senate run in 2004, Vitter was something of a regular “client” of Palfrey’s business, paying young women $300 to engage in sexual acts. Palfrey herself called the then Congressman at least 5 times during a two year period, twice while roll call votes were underway. The Madam herself explains that she routinely called potential clients back to confirm their identity and satisfy herself that they weren’t law enforcement before setting up appointments.
This was headline news this morning. Meanwhile, the Senate is currently in the midst of debating the Iraq War. The President is being cut off at the knees by his own party on war policy. Earmarks are sneaking back into budget bills that haven’t passed either chamber. Talk of impeachment is being bandied about by Democrats who have yet to pass one major piece of legislation – save funding the war – in more than 7 months.
Al-Qaeda is on the prowl, perhaps even in this country. The earth’s climate is sizzling (or not). The President is defying a Congressional committee with executive privilege. I could go on and on listing issues that have some bearing on the nation’s health and well being or are just huge stories of national and international import.
And yet, David Vitter gets caught with his pants unzipped and a media frenzy erupts. We’re all grownups here. We know that sex sells newspapers and rivets eyeballs to the cable news channels. But in this case, as in any case involving a Republican, the even more delicious scent of hypocrisy is in the water where the sharks are feeding. Vitter’s strained non-apology apology with its references to God and his loving wife mask the fact that the Senator was a prominent exponent of “family values” and saving the “sanctity of marriage”, ostensibly from the ravaging and destructive practice of allowing gays the opportunity to wed.
I will say to my Republican friends that it does no good to whine about double standards. You’re going to have to concede the hypocrisy point to our Democratic friends on this one. If you’re going to lecture people about the sanctity of marriage as it relates to banning gay unions or campaign on a platform stressing “family values,” it would be best if you didn’t go whoring around on your wife, wetting your wick at $300 a pop.
In addition to the rather mysterious Madam Palfrey, another character actor has stepped forward to take on a role so nauseating in its implications for our politics that the question of why the gatekeepers in the press haven’t stepped forward to condemn this man and his tactics is beyond me.
Larry Flynt, smut peddler and avowed Democratic partisan, offered the sum of $1 million for verifiable information about Congressmen visiting whores. This was before Palfrey’s client telephone list was released, but dovetailed nicely with the event when Flynt unearthed Vitter’s phone number from those records and contacted the Congressman on Monday asking about his business with Palfrey.
Flynt, however, is not finished. His $1 million bounty on the sex lives of Congressmen was first offered in an ad he took out in the Washington Post last month. Since then, he has received approximately 20 leads that he is currently following up. He has promised to only publish the names of people who “deserve it” – that is, Congressmen who are “hypocrites.” Since Democrats don’t make a habit of speaking about the sanctity of marriage or even family values, the implication of Flynt’s threats are clear; if you’re a Republican who’s been straying from the straight and narrow with ladies of the evening, it would be best to start thinking of that offer from a supporter to open a law firm back home.
If Flynt is going to be arbiter of public sanctimony, perhaps he should look inward for starters. This is a man whose magazines and videos, promoting gratuitous and consequence-free sex now sits in judgment of people who have simply followed his formulaic lifestyle and engaged in a little slap and tickle with a willing partner. Despite his magazine’s clear message that there’s absolutely no downside to having easy morals, that in fact, it is a preferred way to live one’s life, Flynt is about to lower the boom on people for living up to his own misogynistic credo.
Why should whether they are “hypocrites” matter to him at all? In Flynt’s moral universe, you’re only a hypocrite if you don’t screw anything that moves three times a day. The idea that anyone who visits a prostitute – married or not, spouting allegiance to family values or not – should be held up as an object lesson in sanctimony by the purveyor of a publication that features the most nauseating racist, homophobic, and chauvinistic cartoons while showcasing women in the most degrading way imaginable is beyond funny, beyond satire – is beyond belief.
I may be old fashioned in my view of political combat. Politics is after all a blood sport and not for the squeamish or the thin skinned. But this kind of thing goes so far beyond the normal eye gouging and kidney punching of political brawling that it’s amazing to me no one has stepped up and suggested that a line is being crossed here. The Clinton imbroglio (where Flynt also played a prominent role) was tame compared to this kind of checkbook scandal mongering. Does anyone doubt that if a Democratic Congressman’s peccadilloes were on his list of the “Terrible Twenty” that those sins would be forgiven by Mr. Flynt and the information buried?
If a line indeed has been crossed with Mr. Flynt’s actions, how far behind can a similar GOP operation be? Skeletons in the closets of the high and mighty may make good copy when they come out. But has anyone asked what this does to the way politics is conducted in America?
Certainly not Mr. Flynt, who is laughing all the way to the bank after being given reams of free publicity for his porn empire by an all too willing media who don’t mind feeding on an almost irrelevant scandal while the world catches fire and burns around them.
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I will say to my Republican friends that it does no good to whine about double standards. You’re going to have to concede the hypocrisy point to our Democratic friends on this one. If you’re going to lecture people about the sanctity of marriage as it relates to banning gay unions or campaign on a platform stressing “family values,” it would be best if you didn’t go whoring around on your wife, wetting your wick at $300 a pop.
Completely agree with this. I'll add that if you cannot keep your pants up while holding a position of public trust and publicly proclaiming a family values message, you need to find another job. He needs to resign.
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I think I have changed my mind. Looks like he used these prostitutes before he was elected senator and that he confessed to his wife. If that's true, I don't think he necessarily needs to resign.
http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/07/16/vitter/index.html
One thing it does highlight is the proverb that says a man who commits adultery is not wise; a "wound and dishonor he will get . . . ." How many times has this happened? Guys get outed all the time. Sometimes it is immediate, sometimes it takes years, but the list is endless: Clinton, Gingrich, Jesse Jackson, Dr. J., Robert Michael, Bob Livingston, Bill Cosby, Dan Burton, etc., etc.
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I think I have changed my mind. Looks like he used these prostitutes before he was elected senator and that he confessed to his wife. If that's true, I don't think he necessarily needs to resign.
I heard he was a baby killer also...oh wait that was before he was elected into office preaching against baby killing running on a"family values" platform.
Paying for sex is about 1 thing and 1 thing only (besides the sex part..yes) and that is POWER...guy is a ticking time bomb of future fuc ups.
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The guy can pay for whatever he likes ... I don't care. But when he starts spouting about family values that makes him a hypocrite and not to be trusted. How many politicians would be going on about family values if we knew what went on behind closed doors - we have to accept our animal nature and not try and hide it under the carpet.
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Be honest though, he's no less a hypocrite than any of us are.
I think he should step down to be honest. Should be part of the consequence of his actions.
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Be honest though, he's no less a hypocrite than any of us are.
I think he should step down to be honest. Should be part of the consequence of his actions.
I agree he was MIA from the house while they were taking votes, laying low, and could not be found, how is that responsible and owning up to one's mistakes? Shows what a coward he is.
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Just another "holier than thou" right wing republican trying to give a morality lecture to the country while being an adulterer and a liar
Vittners comments in June 2006 about the attempt in the Senate to pass a constitutional ammendment to ban same sex marriage:
"I don't believe there's any issue that's more important than this one,"
Really David, you can't think of anything that might be more important? REALLY??
I guess Republican's should look on the bright side. At least this is a HETERO SEX SCANDAL
Most of the Republican sex scandals are usually involve closeted, self-hating gays.
The lasest of course being Florida Republican Bob Allen arrested for soliciting an undercover MALE police officer for oral sex: http://floridatoday.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070711/BREAKINGNEWS/70711036
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Be honest though, he's no less a hypocrite than any of us are.
I think he should step down to be honest. Should be part of the consequence of his actions.
You're right about his hypocrisy. His is just magnified because he is a Republican Senator.
I'm a little open about his resignation. If he cleaned up his act before running for public office, I think he could still serve. But I agree that regardless of whether he repented, this public embarrassment and a resignation are part of the consequences of his actions.
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Sep 11, 11:15 PM EDT
Woman says she had sex with Sen. Vitter
BEVERLY HILLS, Calif. (AP) -- A former New Orleans prostitute who will be featured in Larry Flynt's Hustler magazine appeared at his office Tuesday to accuse Sen. David Vitter of having a sexual relationship with her in 1999. Wendy Ellis told reporters that Vitter visited her two to three times a week for sexual relations between July and November 1999.
Flynt produced parts of an Aug. 22 polygraph test that he said confirmed her account, but Ellis could provide no financial records, photographs or other evidence to support her assertion that the Louisiana Republican was a client during that time.
Vitter has denied those claims.
"I want the truth to be known," Ellis said. "It was a pure sexual relationship. He would come in and do his business."
Ellis declined to comment when asked if she was being paid or reimbursed for her statement regarding Vitter, but she later said she would appear in Hustler magazine in January.
She would not say if she is being paid for the layout.
"She looks ... good," Flynt said.
Vitter, 46, a first-term senator, apologized in July for committing a "very serious sin" and acknowledged his phone number was among those called several years ago by a Washington escort service run by Deborah Jeane Palfrey. Federal prosecutors accused Palfrey of racketeering by running a prostitution ring that netted more than $2 million over 13 years, but she claims her escort service was a legitimate business.
Vitter's admission came after Hustler magazine told the senator that his telephone number was linked to Palfrey's escort service.
The senator was not charged with a crime.
Vitter's office did not immediately return a phone message Tuesday.
On Monday, Vitter spokesman Joel Digrado wouldn't comment on the Flynt press conference. In an e-mail, Digrado said, "Sen. Vitter and his wife have addressed all of this very directly. The senator is focused on important Louisiana priorities like the water resources bill and the Iraq debate."
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/V/VITTER_FLYNT?SITE=HIHAD&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT
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news flash - some people somewhere had sex
who cares?
drop the "family values" crap and it's irrelevent
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Did Vitter campaign as a loyal family man, or denouncing Clinton for his affair... or be a holier than thou hypocrite?
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Did Vitter campaign as a loyal family man, or denouncing Clinton for his affair... or be a holier than thou hypocrite?
Jag, have you ever done anything hypocritical? I know I have.
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Jag, have you ever done anything hypocritical? I know I have.
Are you a Senator? Do your actions affect the lives of potentially millions of people? Did you run on a platform of "Family Values" that denounces adulterous affairs? I could go on and on and on and on and on.
Apologists for this kind of hypocritical behavior crack me up. Vitter is just another lying hypocritical Conservative that preaches for everyone to live their lives in a particular way but doesn't hold himself to those same standards. The U.S. is littered with them.
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Are you a Senator? Do your actions affect the lives of potentially millions of people? Did you run on a platform of "Family Values" that denounces adulterous affairs? I could go on and on and on and on and on.
Apologists for this kind of hypocritical behavior crack me up. Vitter is just another lying hypocritical Conservative that preaches for everyone to live their lives in a particular way but doesn't hold himself to those same standards. The U.S. is littered with them.
You stated that really well.
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No doubt that Vitter is a huge hypocrite and also shows major lack of judgement but until he actually get's convicted of something it's unlikely the the Republicans will take any action and it doesn't seem like they have any grounds for action at this point anyway.
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Are you a Senator? Do your actions affect the lives of potentially millions of people? Did you run on a platform of "Family Values" that denounces adulterous affairs? I could go on and on and on and on and on.
Apologists for this kind of hypocritical behavior crack me up. Vitter is just another lying hypocritical Conservative that preaches for everyone to live their lives in a particular way but doesn't hold himself to those same standards. The U.S. is littered with them.
Why just the focus on the hypocrites on the right? What about outing the lying shitbags on the left?
Reid, Gore, Billary, etc... there are quite a lot in both parties.
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Why just the focus on the hypocrites on the right? What about outing the lying shitbags on the left?
Reid, Gore, Billary, etc... there are quite a lot in both parties.
Of course there are, but last time I checked the title of this thread had the name Vitter in it and the topic was a married Conservative Family First Senator who had sex with prostitutes. Perhaps you missed that when you clicked on the thread.
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Of course there are, but last time I checked the title of this thread had the name Vitter in it and the topic was a married Conservative Family First Senator who had sex with prostitutes. Perhaps you missed that when you clicked on the thread.
Nope didn't miss it but all. However, all this talk of hypocrisy and Republican bashing by Democrats without even acknowledging the hypocrisy by their own party is... well... hypocritical. :-\
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Nope didn't miss it but all. However, all this talk of hypocrisy and Republican bashing by Democrats without even acknowledging the hypocrisy by their own party is... well... hypocritical. :-\
So according to you, anytime a particular Conservative turns out to be a lying hypocrite anyone talking about said Conservative must also mention lying and hypocritical Democrats even if said Democrats have absolutely nothing to do with the topic at hand?
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So according to you, anytime a particular Conservative turns out to be a lying hypocrite anyone talking about said Conservative must also mention lying and hypocritical Democrats even if said Democrats have absolutely nothing to do with the topic at hand?
Yep.
If you're going to take a holier than thou attitude about it you do.
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Yep.
If you're going to take a holier than thou attitude about it you do.
Bwwwaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhh hhhhhhhhhaaaaaaaaaa
You mean like the holier than though attitude Christian Conservatives take about extra-marital affairs?
Listen Prof. Hawking, this thread is about Vitter. Your attempted deflection is transparent, pathetic and hilarious but then I'm not surprised because that's what certain Conservatives that can't accept the truth do when cornered.
Thanks for supplying the laughs.
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Bwwwaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhaaaaaaaaaa
You mean like the holier than though attitude Christian Conservatives take about extra-marital affairs?
Listen Prof. Hawking, this thread is about Vitter. Your attempted deflection is transparent, pathetic and hilarious but then I'm not surprised because that's what certain Conservatives that can't accept the truth do when cornered.
Thanks for supplying the laughs.
What's really funny here is that you can't even see the hypocrisy in your own statements. You piss and moan about the failings of conservatives while conveniently ignoring the failings on the left.
I have no problem calling out any politician that says one thing and does another. It's pretty easy when you're not blindly loyal to one side vs. another.
So the thread is about Vitter. Big fucking deal. Get off your soapbox already. It's boring.
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What's really funny here is that you can't even see the hypocrisy in your own statements. You piss and moan about the failings of conservatives while conveniently ignoring the failings on the left.
I have no problem calling out any politician that says one thing and does another. It's pretty easy when you're not blindly loyal to one side vs. another.
So the thread is about Vitter. Big fucking deal. Get off your soapbox already. It's boring.
You're the one perpetuating this thread, it was dead and buried until you bumped it again. You must have missed that little fact.
BTW, if you want to bitch and moan about Dems go right ahead, start a thread and I'll bitch about them along side you. This thread was about Vitter, something you seem to have a hard time either accepting or grasping. Either way it just looks like your trying to deflect attention away from one of your own.
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You're the one perpetuating this thread, it was dead and buried until you bumped it again. You must have missed that little fact.
BTW, if you want to bitch and moan about Dems go right ahead, start a thread and I'll bitch about them along side you. This thread was about Vitter, something you seem to have a hard time either accepting or grasping. Either way it just looks like your trying to deflect attention away from one of your own.
I rag on politicians from both parties - I really don't care. A shitbag is a shitbag be they donkey or elephant.
It is rather amusing, however, that you're so sensitive about this. Perhaps a switch to decaff is in order?
Now I guarantee you that as soon as anyone here starts a thread highlighting the BS of Obama, Hillary, or any other Democrat there will be a dog pile of liberals on getbig that will rush to counter with the hypocritical BS of the Republican party.
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I rag on politicians from both parties - I really don't care. A shitbag is a shitbag be they donkey or elephant.
It is rather amusing, however, that you're so sensitive about this. Perhaps a switch to decaff is in order?
Now I guarantee you that as soon as anyone here starts a thread highlighting the BS of Obama, Hillary, or any other Democrat there will be a dog pile of liberals on getbig that will rush to counter with the hypocritical BS of the Republican party.
You mean like the kind of sensitivity that forces someone to come onto a thread about one particular person and divert attention onto something else?
BTW, what does your last comment have to do with me? The next time I defend Obama or Hillary will be the first time.
If this thread was so offensive to you, if watching a member of your beloved party was so difficult for you to witness just ignore the thread. Vitter screwed up and turned out to be a lying hypocrite, accept it and move on.